View Full Version : Is Wallace really a good go to guy? lolctrl-vmostly
WarioVsMooChicken
11-30-2007, 07:28 PM
Is it just me or is Wallace starting to seem a bit ball-hoggish?
I just don't like how it looks like Wallace is forcing himself to be the go to guy. If Carrol, Herrmann, or someone else is open (I say Carrol and Herrmann because they look to be open alot) pass to them. I think Wallace is our best player, but it looks like he is becoming a Kobe like player at times. Like he is thinking "this is my team" instead of "this is our team".
All I know is, even though he isn't putting up big numbers, Dudley looks like he is helping the team more then Wallace is, as of lately. I wish I could check the numbers for this (*cough cough* Brett). Dudley seems like more of a team player to me and J-Rich tends to look better when Wallace is off the court. Heck, almost all the players look better when Wallace is off the court.
On a side note, after watching Miami bench Williams and Davis, I was wondering if maybe we should try benching Wallace or J-Rich. They both seem like go to guys and only one of them can have the ball at a time, so maybe having one of them give our 2nd team a huge boost would be useful.
ziggy
11-30-2007, 07:39 PM
Hes definitely taking that perimeter jumper a lot more than he did last season and his FG% 45.1 is down from 50.2 last season which suggests that hes taking some shots that are out of his comfort zone.
I think Gerald (and others) are guilty of not making the effort to work the ball inside more and settling for the jumper.
bizzlecatz
11-30-2007, 08:08 PM
I don't think Crash is a ball hog. Eighter he doesn't trust his teammates or his passing, because you can't tell me he doesn't see his teammates on a fast break, or driving to the basket.
davcbow
11-30-2007, 08:14 PM
I think Gerald (and others) are guilty of not making the effort to work the ball inside more and settling for the jumper.
Although they are trying to get it to the paint more the last few games they do seem to settle alot for the perimeter shot. It really erks me when there is 15+ secs on the shot clock and they shoot a long range shot, or when they get the offensive rebound and throw it right back up with out a clear shot when they could have passed back out and made a better attempt else where. :g:
123together
12-01-2007, 02:39 AM
i think he's a great go to guy if he remembers to attack the basket and not shoot jumpers
ohara831
12-01-2007, 09:13 AM
I think he is feeling like he must justify his solid pay day this offseason and prove he can hit the outside jumper. That in conjunction with the fact that we have no real inside game is likely causing him to feel like he must take the team on his shoulders. J-Rich is not hitting like we needed him, and Okafor is not a real offensive threat. Most all his points seem to be from tip ins and rebounds. I can fully understand why Gerald is shooting the way he is these days. We need to surround him with a better group of players. That will come soon enough.
Mustachio
12-01-2007, 12:59 PM
no he isnt. he doesnt have a jumpshot. you cant be the go to guy without a consitent jumpshot. i said this somewhere else.. but i dont remember why.
Gerald is a glue-guy. not a go to guy. the ball should move through okafor in the half court. and on fast breaks Felton should be in control. its that simple
Dead_Real
12-01-2007, 01:09 PM
no he isnt. he doesnt have a jumpshot. you cant be the go to guy without a consitent jumpshot. i said this somewhere else.. but i dont remember why.
Gerald is a glue-guy. not a go to guy. the ball should move through okafor in the half court. and on fast breaks Felton should be in control. its that simple
Agreed 100% I feel more confident with the ball in Feltons hands with the game on the line considering he has a history of taking and making big shots to seal victorys.
ziggy
12-01-2007, 06:10 PM
by the way... what the heck does "lolctr-vmostly" mean??
davcbow
12-01-2007, 06:52 PM
I think it means LOL ctrl-V mostly.. I take it as controll the coach...:g:
spectre
12-01-2007, 07:03 PM
I know Crash can be a go to guy; he did it a lot last year. His outside shot while sometimes weak is coming along (last game his outside shot is the only offense we had at first), and when we clear out...WHEN we clear out...no one defender can stop him.
He's not a Kobe or T-Mac where he can do it all the time, but we also know Ray can take over in stretches offensively as well as JRich...so he doesn't have to do it alone. But of all those and Mek...Crash is the guy other teams gameplan against. He's the player they're all worried about. He can take over and dominate.
He needs to pass more and see the full court, but I put a lot of that on his coaching...remember the team bragging that they make NO plays up for Crash? Hey here's thought...let's make some plays!!! Seriously, I think given some time with the current coaching staff who are much better at player development than Bernie's group, I expect all our players to get better fairly quickly.
A distributing Crash is something all teams will greatly fear.
bizzlecatz
12-01-2007, 07:28 PM
A distributing Crash is something all teams will greatly fear.
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If Crash can get to this point before the all star game, he is a lock for the team.
WarioVsMooChicken
12-01-2007, 07:59 PM
Ctrl-V as in I pasted almost everything here from another thread. >_>
TheBeagle
12-02-2007, 01:32 AM
A distributing Crash is something all teams will greatly fear.
GW got 7 assists tonight and knocked down his FTs. Should've gotten on the scoresheet in the 2nd half, but that offense was so erratic and directionless tonight, it's really no surprise. I wonder how much GW is regretting staying here playing for the Charlotte Lost Causes? :g:
dnbman
12-02-2007, 09:54 AM
No, I don't think Wallace is a go to guy, but I do think he's extremely valuable as a scorer when it counts. To me, a go to scorer is literally the guy you give the ball to when you need a point. He'll generate his own offense or draw so much attention that another teammate gets open. Wallace does neither of those. Wallace works best playing off the ball: cutting to the hoop, crashing offensive boards, taking jump shots when his man falls asleep, etc. Though he can make outside shots, he's not in the top 5 of our team I want trying to make a game winning shot from outside.
Right now, the closest things we have to a go to guy are either Felton or Richardson, guys who can hit from outside, but take it to the rack if necessary. They can also find teammates. Now, I'm not saying either one of those guys is fulfilling that role right now, but they're the closest things we have.
No, Wallace is not a go-to-guy, I thought this was common knowledge amongst all Bobcats fans. You put Wallace on pretty much any other roster in the NBA and he becomes a scrapper who gets his points off of put-back dunks and plays hard defense. He's very powerful going to the basket but he's almost always out of control and doesn't have any clear cut offensive moves where you know that shot is gonna go in 9 out of 10 times. Unfortunately on our team he has to be the go-to-guy because J-Rich isn't playing any consistent basketball right now, Okafor only scores big when he gets the ball (which is barely ever) and stays out of foul trouble (which is barely ever) and as much as Felton wants to be THE GUY for us he is not, he just needs to play his position and let the game come to him.
Chris#3
12-03-2007, 12:22 AM
A scrapper? lol. Are you serious?? The guy is improving his game every season. He CAN hit the occasional outside shot and he creates shots for himself(unlike some stars in this league). I believe he's an all-star calibur player. See, I can understand how other people underrate him, but to see a fellow Bobcat fan underrate him is sad. Meh, he will always be the most underrated player in this league. Anyway, I think he's a good go-to guy. After all, he is the most consistent scorer we have.
DaFlameking
12-03-2007, 03:30 AM
we should use wallace or j rich like how the mavericks utilized jerry stackhouse as a 6th man off the bench.
dav7z
12-03-2007, 07:23 AM
Wow been away for a while remodleing. Wallace is not really a go to guy . But has a solid game [ he csn fill up a stat sheet] Hes a still at what we paying him and has a chance to be a all star.
We worring about Crashes game when we should worie about low post help for 0K50.
We have not won a game sience Hollins has been out . That shows you how weak we are down low.
Muttley
12-03-2007, 08:05 AM
Welcome back, dav7z!
Wow been away for a while remodleing. Wallace is not really a go to guy . But has a solid game [ he csn fill up a stat sheet] Hes a still at what we paying him and has a chance to be a all star.
We worring about Crashes game when we should worie about low post help for 0K50.
We have not won a game sience Hollins has been out . That shows you how weak we are down low.
I like what you're saying about Hollins. Is it possible he actually does lots of good things for us that we don't notice? Yes, I believe so. At the very least, he's our best option at C not named Chukwuemeka Okafor.
Back on topic, Wallace is our most consistent scorer. For now, he's go-to.
A scrapper? lol. Are you serious?? The guy is improving his game every season. He CAN hit the occasional outside shot and he creates shots for himself(unlike some stars in this league). I believe he's an all-star calibur player. See, I can understand how other people underrate him, but to see a fellow Bobcat fan underrate him is sad. Meh, he will always be the most underrated player in this league. Anyway, I think he's a good go-to guy. After all, he is the most consistent scorer we have.
he's not a go-to guy. Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Arenas, Joe Johnson, Allen, Pierce, KG, Duncan, Carter, Carmelo, Redd, McGrady
those are go-to guys. Wallace is a very good player and my favorite player on the roster but he's no go-to guy, stop fooling yourself.
A go-to guy is a player that if you need a shot you give him the ball in the dying seconds and you feel confident that something good will happen. When Wallace gets the ball in the dying seconds I unfortunately think "a charge is coming up" and I'm not saying that to hate, I'm simply basing it on history.
qchoops
12-04-2007, 09:13 PM
I see I was a bit slow to party on this one...but I just so happen to have done a post on Gerald the other day http://www.queencityhoops.com/WhatsWrongWithCrash.php. He's not playing like Crash this year - his boards are way down and as Ziggy(?) mentioned, so is his shooting percentage. He is taking more outside shots...and not converting.
As for comparisons to Dudley - Crash is still more important to the team, despite his step back in play. For season long stats, you can see numbers for the team here:http://www.queencityhoops.com/statSearch.php. That is for the full season however. Over the last couple of weeks (since Nov 15), it is much closer: Gerald is at +3 points per 100 possessions, and Dudley is at -0.1 (basically 0) points per 100 possessions. Since just November 22, Dudley is way in front at -0.7 points per 100...and Gerald at -16 points per 100. As a whole the team has been taking some beatings, so that is not great evidence. But, it is worth noting they have played a comparable amount over that span.
qchoops
12-04-2007, 09:17 PM
Oh, and don't be afraid to email me (listed in my profile) if you want numbers run about a particular player, lineup, whatever. It generally does not take me too long and I'm glad to do it.
Chris#3
12-05-2007, 11:00 PM
Alright, if you people don't believe he isn't a good go-to-guy, then who's our go-to-guy? J-rich??? Ok, let J-rich shoot the ball more. He'll probably shoot even worse. Like I said, Gerald is our most consistent scorer right now.
Wallace15
12-05-2007, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't say Crash is a go to guy but in the closing seconds of a game he's the closest we have to being one. I would much rather see him driving more and stop taking so many jumpers and 3's. Leave the 3's to Carroll and J-Rich(even though he's shooting horrible this year).
When we need a final shoot the best we have are Wallace and Richardson. It's basically 50/50 who you give it too. Wallace is gonna drive and draw a foul and go to the line or get on offensive foul called on him. But even if he does get to the line we can't trust him enough to knock down the FT's. Give it to J-Rich he's probably gonna jack up a contested jumper and from the way he's shooting this year I really don't wanna see that, but hey, who know's, it might go in.
I'd give the ball to which ever one been doing better in that game.
WarioVsMooChicken
12-05-2007, 11:23 PM
Carrol can make pretty much any jump shot, just make him our go to guy.
davcbow
12-06-2007, 12:20 AM
I remember reading last season that MJ was joking with Carroll about that very thought.... :g:
WarioVsMooChicken
12-06-2007, 01:15 AM
Never know...Carrol could be better then we once thought...
He's done better then Rich so far this year it seems and we wanted him to be our go-to guy. >_>
dvdbumpus
12-06-2007, 01:20 AM
Funny thing about J-rich is he's tops in the league for 3 pointers made/game. He's also making them @ a near 43% mark. Never woulda thought that.
WarioVsMooChicken
12-06-2007, 01:28 AM
Now that I think about it, Carrol is a very good clutch shooter. Is there any reason NOT to make him our go to guy? Ignoring that it would be very humerous >_>.
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