Bobcats trade Fabio and Brezec for Nazr Mohammed

[Dead_Real]

ESPN just reported it Hell Yea!

[Fromage]

La Garra :(

[Bobcat4Ever]

yessir brezec is gone!!!!!!!!!

[davcbow]

Cool eh?

[ALong13]

I'm glad Brezec is gone, but I'll miss Herrmann, though he'd probably would have left after the season anyway, hopefully Nazr can help us...wonder when his first night will be? I'd like to see this up somewhere though before I completely give thoughts..

[Proudiddy]

I love the move!!! I'm so glad Brezec is gone and Mohammed is a legit big man that fills the role we were looking for... Great move!!!

YES!!!! YES!!! YES!!!

I don't know if I'm happier b/c Brezec is gone or b/c we got a physical big man? Maybe addition by subtraction.

[ALong13]

The Charlotte Bobcats just traded forward Walter Herrmann and center Primoz Brezec to the Detroit Pistons for center Nazr Mohammed.

The deal effectively gives the Bobcats another banger inside, something coach Sam Vincent has long advocated. The Pistons were interested in Herrmann and even if things don't work out for Brezec, his contract will expire at the end of this season.

As a result of this two-for-one trade, the Bobcats have decided not to send rookie Jermareo Davidson to the developmental league, as they had announced earlier in the day.

-Charlotte Observer

[davcbow]

I wonder who we will try to get with the open roster spot..... :g:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

FUCK!

2 of my favorite players gone.

We're going to regret this, I just know it. Herrmann has too much upside and Primo WILL get his act together.

I feel like not cheering for the Bobcats anymore. V_V

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Can't wait for Wallace to get injured again, since we have so much depth now.

[davcbow]

I have the feeling that Herrmann will come back to haunt us someday.....
Now who can we trade OH to????.. :hysterical:

[ziggy]

WOW!!!!
I hate to lose Fabio, but Primoz...Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out :biggrin:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

THIS IS NOT THE BOBCAT TEAM I KNEW AND LOVED!

[spectre]

Eh, color me disappointed, at least right now.

We gave them 2 expirings and took on 26 million over the next three years. This move also put them 700k UNDER the luxury tax.

I'm not big fan of Primoz, but I'd feel a LOT better if it'd been Harrington instead. The Piston fans are saying on the RealGM board that "he has stone hands", is "foul prone" and "makes stupid mistakes".

[JSS]

Herrmann could definitely develop into a star

[Bobcats126]

Great one time knick. I wonder why the team traded away a player that was contributed to the Pistons. Worked out good for the Bobcats.

[davcbow]

The pistons have been running Herrmann's name around the rumor mill for a several days now. They really wanted Herrmann alot.... :g:

[ohara831]

Well, we are not getting a great deal of offense or rebounding for the trade, but he was limited in Detroit. Perhaps with the minutes here, he will start to flourish. I hope so. Why didn't they do this earlier today. We could have had him for the Orlando game. We need a big banger in there to counter Howard.

[Wallace15]

Hate to see Hermann leave but thank God Primoz is gone. Narz won't bring a lot of offense, but he's the banger that we've needed. He rebounds well and plays good defense and that'll help us in the post.

[davcbow]

At least we dont have Primoz to kick around no more. Its funny but tonight in 7 minutes so far OH has 4 PT's and 4 RB's. I figure he see's that the team traded Primoz so they wont hesitate to trade him too so he better get it going. :g:

[Icky Thump]

We can't win... we wanted to get rid of Brezec and yet we take on another player who seems to be worthless only now its for 3 years and 26 million? UGH.... ???

[123together]

the only reason not to rejoice is that my favorite player (walter) has been traded :(

tear it up in detroit walt, tear it up

hopefully flip will give you a shot to play like you deserve man.

but nazr will be a welcome addition to the lineup

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Bobcats should sign me

[dvdbumpus]

Nazr....blah. 3 years 26 million...blah. I wish we could have pulled a 2nd rounder out of them.

I loved Walter but with all the wings, he was never going to get PT. We at least get a Center that has some meat and height to him.

Personally, I'm most excited about that open roster spot. I think we'll go with another big man as that's been our most glaring weakness. I'm glad we didn't send Davidson down to the D-league, as he'll probably get more time up here. I think he's done very well for a 2nd round rookie, and will help out.

My guesses will probably be Earl Boynkins or P.J. Brown.

[timang]

Herrmann could definitely develop into a star


joe dumars always sees a diamond in the rough (i.e. billups et all) :( :mad: :-\


but boy am i just glad to see primo go. whew for one minute.

[ohara831]

3.3 pts and 3.5 brds in 10 min of play. If he plays 30 for us, he should be a double double for us. We need that right now. He will be better than Hollins at Center.

It does add about 1 mil to our payroll, and clears a space to add someone else. So if we add a 15th, then mgmnt is at least spending $. We can argue if they are spending it wisely or not, but they are spending $.

[Muttley]

Yeah, like many of you guys, I hate to see the Hair Man go. Really, I hate to see Primoz go too, but that's more for nostalgia than anything else. However, I am glad to see Nazr come in, and I hope he can become productive in our "system" quickly. Wish we could have picked up Murray with it, but I will say that the gem in this trade isn't in the names going back and forth, but the blank that is now left on our roster as a result of the trade. There's someone out there that will help us, and I hope the management takes care to find that right piece. Really, I wouldn't be pissed if they left it open a week or two just to see what we really need. Immediately, one would say PG, and I would agree. But McInnis showed flashes of quality back-up tonight. Perhaps getting another big is the answer.

I'm just excited to see Nazr suit up for us. It has seemed lately that the team was mentally stagnant, and I hope our chemistry and morale improves as a result of the shake-up.

By the way, not to turn it negative or anything, but how does this affect our ability to sign Oak next summer?

[Alex]

Well this move will definitely make Emeka better. Look at this way Nazr is MUCH better and tougher than the big guys we currently have and definitely brings more to the line-up than Primoz who is a softie and will probably be out of the league by the end of the season. I see Herrmann struggling to get minutes there as well but I thought he could of become a good player for us.

[MattD]

I was lucky enough to talk to stephen a smith right before the game started, and i talked with him about the trade, he said it was a short term solution, allowing mek to play his true position at pf, but good for the pistons in cap space and the contract hurts us, nothing new, but it was still neat! He was a nice guy... unlike MJ who wouldnt even acknowledge us after the game.

[dvdbumpus]

I was lucky enough to talk to stephen a smith right before the game started, and i talked with him about the trade, he said it was a short term solution, allowing mek to play his true position at pf, but good for the pistons in cap space and the contract hurts us, nothing new, but it was still neat! He was a nice guy... unlike MJ who wouldnt even acknowledge us after the game.


you mean Stephen "cheese doodle" smith?

nAB5lOIl-2U

[Muttley]

That was elite-level heckling. Nice.

[MattD]

ridiculously obnoxious but yeah thats the one

[TheBeagle]

Oh well. Apparently management is not being realistic here, and instead of building for the future, is still chasing that playoff pipe dream by acquiring marginal talent at the expense of future FA signings. When I heard the news at the arena, I was pretty happy about it, but that was before I realized we were having to take on such a hefty multi-year contract. Unless Mohammed turns into a legitimate post presense offensively and defensively, Detroit is the winner of this trade, if not for personnel, then for, mostly importantly, the contracts. I really really really really question this move, and hope we haven't shot ourselves in the foot in signing Antawn this summer :-\

Wondering what you think on this, ohara.....

[ziggy]

I was lucky enough to talk to stephen a smith right before the game started, and i talked with him about the trade, he said it was a short term solution, allowing mek to play his true position at pf, but good for the pistons in cap space and the contract hurts us, nothing new, but it was still neat! He was a nice guy... unlike MJ who wouldnt even acknowledge us after the game.

Was he screaming at the top of his lungs? Or does he crank it down a few thousand decibels when the cameras are off?

[tamburello]

Pistons are definitely winners of this trade, but we have to do such a move. I don't blame Higgins or Jordan. Maybe I'm the biggest fan of Walter in this forum, but maybe the only one who loves to see him go. Vincent never realized his capacity, potential(as most coaches do in NBA with non-American players), actually no-one in Bobcats management did, so we deserved to be upset after seeing his great performances off Pistons bench. Adios Walter!

On the other hand, Herrmann was our best trade piece and Dumars publicly stated that he wanted to acquire him 2 weeks ago. Maybe we wanted to give up on Othella, but Pistons should have insisted on Fabio.

About Primoz... In last few weeks I was fully hopeless about his performance, just like everyone in the forum. I don't think he'll play an important role in Detroit, but as one of the last 2 players remaining from expansion draft (Wallace), and one of 3 original Bobcats players (Wallace, Okafor).

2 years ago Nazr was an integral part of Spurs' championship team. His contract is bad, but he'll help us for the short term. Hopefully it's not so late for the playoff race.

The best thing for Pistons is that they dumped a 4 year 25 millions salary, and took back two expiring contracts. They now have a cap flexibility that they'll enjoy for the long term.

Let's see how Nazr contributes. Let him play 25+ minutes. We know at least we won't be doubled by other teams in rebounds.

[Dunk]

I think it was the best we could do without giving up draft picks. Walter was the best trade piece we had and we desperately needed a big man.

I agree that it is a short term solution to our problem while Hollins and Davidson (hopefully) develop. If we can get some defense and rebounds under the basket which allows 'mek to score more then Nazr has filled the need.

The good news is that we'll have space and guys returning next year and we still have our draft picks. We're still well positioned and just as competitive as we were this year (I don't necessarily think we got better but we didn't regress).

[dnbman]

Oh well. Apparently management is not being realistic here, and instead of building for the future, is still chasing that playoff pipe dream by acquiring marginal talent at the expense of future FA signings. When I heard the news at the arena, I was pretty happy about it, but that was before I realized we were having to take on such a hefty multi-year contract. Unless Mohammed turns into a legitimate post presense offensively and defensively, Detroit is the winner of this trade, if not for personnel, then for, mostly importantly, the contracts. I really really really really question this move, and hope we haven't shot ourselves in the foot in signing Antawn this summer :-\

Wondering what you think on this, ohara.....


In some ways I agree. However, without another significant post presence, we can't get going as a team. It's costing us development time of the players we do have. Besides, if Nazr doesn't work out, we could always trade him back to the Knicks in the offseason.

I like the move o.k. Nazr's expensive, but he should be able to contribute.

[spectre]

Heh, those poor Knicks. Soon they'll trade Curry straight up for Nazr.

Nazr Mohammed - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3272/gamelog;_ylt=Ao5zyxzC6cQJaKVQU1d9HiOkvLYF?year=200 6)

Check out some games he played last year before the Pistons acquired Webber and he was getting consistent burn, like December 23, 2006 vs. Atlanta...7 of 8 FG, 5 of 6 FT, 10 rebounds, 1 TO, 2 BLKS for 19 pts...in 23 minutes.

There's a few more like that too. During the year he's lost time, and what he did get was very inconsistent. He'll get a steady amount with us, so one should be able to expect at the least more than we were getting with Primoz or Fabio. Add in Boykins and this won't be bad at all.

With the way the cap is structured I doubt we could have done more than the MLE anyway next year. To get Jamison or anyone else it'd almost have to be a S&T before and now.

[Muttley]

With the way the cap is structured I doubt we could have done more than the MLE anyway next year. To get Jamison or anyone else it'd almost have to be a S&T before and now.


Between you, me and the message board wall, I think some UNC fans think that he wants to come home so bad that he'll come for real cheap. Maybe I'm off base, but that's my interpretation. I'm not sure that'll happen, since he's been playing pretty well lately, but you never really know.

[bizzlecatz]

I think we would have a better chance of getting that no defense playing, clucker Gilbert, than Jamison.

Btw, I like the trade, Welcome to Charlotte Naz, finally some low post presence, help for Mek. Now bring on Boykins, and watch out!

[ohara831]

Oh well. Apparently management is not being realistic here, and instead of building for the future, is still chasing that playoff pipe dream by acquiring marginal talent at the expense of future FA signings. When I heard the news at the arena, I was pretty happy about it, but that was before I realized we were having to take on such a hefty multi-year contract. Unless Mohammed turns into a legitimate post presense offensively and defensively, Detroit is the winner of this trade, if not for personnel, then for, mostly importantly, the contracts. I really really really really question this move, and hope we haven't shot ourselves in the foot in signing Antawn this summer :-\

Wondering what you think on this, ohara.....
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Beagle: If Nazr can get us a double double, which he can if you extrapilate out his numbers for playing 30+ mnutes a game, then he is worth the $5+ mil. I'd pay that for the next 3 yrs for a double double man. If we sign Okafor, then that really gives us great leeway in the 08 Draft to go get the very best player, be he a Guard, Forward or Center. Additionally, we now have a roster spot. If we can get someone of ability to help, like a PJ Brown or Boykins, I will feel fairly good about the trade as well.

Now, it does add a mil to the payroll, and more if we add a 15th player as we likely will. I am pleased that mgmnt is spending money, at least TRYING. We can argue about how wisely they are spending it, but at least they are not sitting on their wallets.

Overall, it is a band aid at a minimum, but IF Nazr gives us 10 pts and 10 rebs on an avg, then we are clearly the winners in the trade. If he plays and gives us 5 pts and 5 rebs per game, then we blew another trade. Somewhere in the middle would be a wash. We will have to see how Nazr performs, that's the bottom line. Cannot say for sure yet if we won the trade or Detroit won it until we see how Nazr performs.

[dnbman]

Cannot say for sure yet if we won the trade or Detroit won it until we see how Nazr performs.


One thing to remember too is that we can lose the trade to Detroit, so to speak, but it still be a winning trade for us. If Hermann becomes their best sixth man, then good for them. He wasn't there. If Nazr simply gives us more presence down low, it's likely a win for us. Unless Hermann blows up into sixth man of the year award, I don't think we're losing much. I'm sure Hermann would be a much better player on either Detroit, the Spurs or any other team that had a fantastic system, ready made for his talents. Ours isn't. Hence, he's successful some nights and a ghost on others. Nazr should benefit us virtually every night, even if he does short comings.

As other folks have mentioned, a quality big isn't going to come cheap. If we overpay on Nazr to bring some stability to our team, that's worth the extra millions in my opinion. Remember, we can trade Nazr's expiring contract next year if the team outgrows his usefulness. In the meantime, we're in dire need of his game.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

This all seems like a desperation move.

We traded a good SF/PF that had tons of potential, and a C that if he could ever get his act together is better then Nazr for an undersized C (If Okafor is too small for playing C, then so is Nazr...although I don't believe that) that is probably past his prime. Unless this guy can come in and score 12 points a game and get at least 10 rebounds, then we have lost this trade. I personally predict that Nazr will be a bench player that contributes less then Herrmann would have if given playing time.

[bizzlecatz]

I think Naz will bring more to the table then we all realize. He will become that banger down low that we're missing. He will bring some veteran leadership from the pistons and spurs. Most importantly he's tired of sitting on the bench he wants to play. Give him a chance. :)

BTW, I'll miss Fabio also, but he wasn't the answer to our prayers.

[dav7z]

I hate to see Fabio go but this fills a gaping hole we have had all year. Hes the big body and banger we needed all year.
If coach V tightens his line up like he says . This should help a lot.
We looking at a eight or nine player rotation.
1 Felton
2 Rich
3 Wallace
4 OK50
5 Naz

Just look at how much better rebounding we will be. And how much stronger in the middle we'll be.
6.Carroll
7.Hollins
8. Mcinnis [ HOPE ITS BOINKINS]
9. Dudley
Thats as deep as we go . So if we sign Boinkins Davidson will get time in the D league.

We should be very competive with this lineup and with Morrison , May, and a 1st round draft pick we should turn into a damn good team . Just by filling this nered .This move should take us to the play offs and with what we got coming next yeat we should be damn good.

[Mustachio]

I cant even understand for one minute how this isnt a great great great trade.

Brezec: Stiff, couldnt run, would never fit in our system and had terrible production when he did get good minutes. Seriously hasnt played a full out productive game for the Bobcats in two years. His contract was done after the year and theres no way we resigned him anyway. He was soft and unproductive. Advantage: BOBCATS!

Hermann: Cool guy, cool hair, cool nicknames, silky close range game, fun to watch. and thats about it. A lot of people on this board seem to overate him to an unbelievable point. He cant play defense worth a plug nickle and you know it! If you think he is gonna thrive in the Detroit Pistons system... then you are sorely mistaken. They are uber-defensive and the first few times Walter flails down the court losing his man... he will get benched. His contract was up and with all the guard/forwards we have....was never gonna get resigned. Advantage:Bobcats

Ok lets recap. We get a guy we need. A big that isnt scared of contact(primoz! im talkin to you) CAN REBOUND (primoz im talkin to you) and guy that can play defense (primoz and hermann im talkin to you) we got that for 2 players we WERE NOT GONNA RESIGN ANYWAY!!!! how is this a bad deal. Everyone brings up his contract as a negative. We just got a big man for less than what it would have taken to resign both hermann and brezec and all along a better player than both. Its exactly what we needed... especially since Adam Morrison and Dudley both bring anything we lose in Hermann.

Everyone has been whining about how bad we need a big man down low that rebounds and will dunk. and everyones whining that we have too many guard/forwards. Well guess what guys... both problems taken care of. Am i saying Nazr is an all star... no, but i am saying he is infinetly more valuable than either Hermann or Primoz.

[dav7z]

Mustashio agreed for a change. Nicely said good post, REP IT UP. When we reach the play offs ever one will have for got abput how bad of trade they said this is.
I have said for the last two weeks Fabio was our best trade bait left to fill the need.
Yes i said the same thing about Morrison til he tore his ACL. He was our main trade bait and might have got a better trade . But im happy the way things have worked out.

[davcbow]

I knew Herrmann was the best option for a trade but still hated to see him go, oh well thats that we needed a big and rid of Primoz and thats what they did. Welcome Nazr to the Bobcats.... :g:

[Dead_Real]

When will Nazr be ready to suit up for the Cats any reports yet?

[davcbow]

I saw it mentioned he may play tonight but dont know for sure. :g:

[Dead_Real]

Yea Coach Vincent just said in a interview on Channel 14 that he would play tonight :)

[MattD]

I was lucky enough to talk to stephen a smith right before the game started, and i talked with him about the trade, he said it was a short term solution, allowing mek to play his true position at pf, but good for the pistons in cap space and the contract hurts us, nothing new, but it was still neat! He was a nice guy... unlike MJ who wouldnt even acknowledge us after the game.

Was he screaming at the top of his lungs? Or does he crank it down a few thousand decibels when the cameras are off?



No he was very nice, and was not shouting at all... I never really liked him, but after that in person hes better to talk to. I did notice a nice fat diamond bracelet on his wrist though :)

[MattD]

I only saw the fourth, but what I saw (I came in with him at 5 fouls) I thought was encouraging, he took control for a short period in the 4th and brought us back in the game... im looking up not down now!

[Muttley]

Mustashio agreed for a change. Nicely said good post, REP IT UP. When we reach the play offs ever one will have for got abput how bad of trade they said this is.
I have said for the last two weeks Fabio was our best trade bait left to fill the need.
Yes i said the same thing about Morrison til he tore his ACL. He was our main trade bait and might have got a better trade . But im happy the way things have worked out.

dav7z, I agree with your agreeing with Mustachio. (Just didn't want to quote his whole schpiel) I'm looking forward to seeing Nazr work more and more with our main guys. I think he will definitely contribute and he without a doubt gives us something we didn't have in that banger down low. He played well DESPITE having 5 fouls. He easily replaces what we lost in Jake, and probably gives us more. His experience may turn into his most promising asset.
Hate to see Herrmann go, he added a bit of flair and personality to the team and could hit a shot and pull down some rebounds when played. BUT, he wasn't getting played and this game ain't about personality. So, buen suerte en Detroit mi amigo. I hope you become a superstar.
Now, let's win some basketball games.

[davcbow]

Here is what Primoz is saying about the trade.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2007/12/brezec_wanted_out_of_charlotte.html

[Wallace15]

Here is what Primoz is saying about the trade.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2007/12/brezec_wanted_out_of_charlotte.html


Wow, I never would have guessed that Primoz WANTED OUT of Charlotte. Doesn't matter though, most of us wanted him gone and now he is.

[dvdbumpus]

Here is what Primoz is saying about the trade.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2007/12/brezec_wanted_out_of_charlotte.html


Good riddens. I wouldn't be surprised if he's waived. We gave him more minutes and more of a chance than anyone else would.

[spectre]

V made us suffer thru 15 games of him starting...giving him every opportunity...and he "kind of forced" the trade? Yeah I know...playing defense sucks.

Good luck with the Pistons this year...because there's no way in hell they're picking you back up.

[spectre]

He said way more than that in his interview:

Newcomers want to stay in Detroit (http://www.dailytribune.com/stories/121707/spo_piston-n.shtml)


"I don't mind. I'll do anything," Brezec said. "The first years in Charlotte, I was the first or second option on offense. This year I was a starter but getting no shots. I was doing the dirty work.

"I hear a lot of guys in the media talk that I'm not a very good defender. I don't want to sound arrogant or cocky but I became one of the best defenders on our team.

One of our best defenders??? :hysterical:

[Muttley]

If, hypothetically, he became our best defender... Ow, that kinda made my head hurt.

Anyways, if that happened, then it was from everyone else sucking it up, and not him stepping it up.

Laughable.

[Grandmama]

Sorry about the alliteration, but I had to pass this on, yes Shoals, delusional is a start.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/17/big-bad-brezec-wants-his-due/

[Grandmama]

Sorry I guess this was brought up at the end of the trade thread.

[dvdbumpus]

Haha. Primoz saying this means he's on crack!!



I hear a lot of guys in the media talk that I'm not a very good defender. I don't want to sound arrogant or cocky but I became one of the best defenders on our team."

[dvdbumpus]

If, hypothetically, he became our best defender... Ow, that kinda made my head hurt.

Anyways, if that happened, then it was from everyone else sucking it up, and not him stepping it up.

Laughable.


I'm going to have to say...Kareem Rush part 2? THE FURY!!

[Mustachio]

precisely why this trade was good no matter the money involved.

Primo wont be a Piston at the end of the season. 1 because he isnt that good, and 2 hes plum crazy. Hermann isnt even activated yet for the Piston. It was nothing but a salary dump for Detroit and we gained a decent big man in the process.

Everyone is whining about not having any money to pick up a great free agent big next year. WHAT FREE AGENT BIG?? TIM DUNCAN AINT COMING HERE! Nazr is and was the only option we really had. If he doesnt work, then its back to the lottery drawing board anyway.


Its understandable that people would want Dwight Howard over Nazr .... but making that happen is impossible. People try and play GM over the computer, and what they dont realize is... the other 29 GMs are trying to win too.

this was a good trade for Charlotte.

[davcbow]

Well said Mustashio, trading isnt like a supermarket where you go in and pick your product and pay for it in trade with money.... :g:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I truely feel that Primo would be doing good again if Bernie was still coach and I believe that he is a pretty good defender...

No I'm not drunk >_>

[spectre]

No I'm not drunk

I don't believe you. :burp:

Has anyone pimped the QCH take?

Big Trade (Literally) in Charlotte (http://www.queencityhoops.com/)

As always, excellent read.

[ziggy]

The words 'Primoz' and 'best defender' should never EVER be uttered in the same sentence.... EVER

[MattD]

wow... just wow

[spectre]

I just went to Sham Sports in the salaries section and went thru every team looking at their big men and what they make. I quite honestly see nothing else we could have done to get an experienced C in trade without giving up much more than we did. Maybe Stromile Swift from the Griz...but I think he's starting now so they'd want more than just 2 expirings.

There are plenty with worse contracts than what Nazr has, and most have worse or at best comparable stats.

[DaFlameking]

im glad brezec is gone but hermann didnt even get a chance to show his true skill. watch, i bet pistons use hermann to demolish us when they play us next time. =/

[dvdbumpus]

im glad brezec is gone but hermann didnt even get a chance to show his true skill. watch, i bet pistons use hermann to demolish us when they play us next time. =/



If they use Herrmann to demolish us I will cry.

[Mustachio]

im glad brezec is gone but hermann didnt even get a chance to show his true skill. watch, i bet pistons use hermann to demolish us when they play us next time. =/



If they use Herrmann to demolish us I will cry.


considering Walter is 4th on their depth chart as well.... i dont think you have anything to worry about. thats right 4th behind Rasheed Wallace, Jason Maxiell, and Amir Johnson.

Everyone wants to tell me how overrated and bad Adam Morrison is. but no one wants to believe that Hermann is actually worse on defense. He wont play in Detroit. It was a salary cap move for them.

[dvdbumpus]

im glad brezec is gone but hermann didnt even get a chance to show his true skill. watch, i bet pistons use hermann to demolish us when they play us next time. =/



If they use Herrmann to demolish us I will cry.


considering Walter is 4th on their depth chart as well.... i dont think you have anything to worry about. thats right 4th behind Rasheed Wallace, Jason Maxiell, and Amir Johnson.

Everyone wants to tell me how overrated and bad Adam Morrison is. but no one wants to believe that Hermann is actually worse on defense. He wont play in Detroit. It was a salary cap move for them.


Being 4th would make it that much worse. The thing that would kill me is that he's their supposed 3 pt. specialist, and if he started raining 3's on us....well that would be a horrible time watching it.

[Mustachio]

im glad brezec is gone but hermann didnt even get a chance to show his true skill. watch, i bet pistons use hermann to demolish us when they play us next time. =/



If they use Herrmann to demolish us I will cry.


considering Walter is 4th on their depth chart as well.... i dont think you have anything to worry about. thats right 4th behind Rasheed Wallace, Jason Maxiell, and Amir Johnson.

Everyone wants to tell me how overrated and bad Adam Morrison is. but no one wants to believe that Hermann is actually worse on defense. He wont play in Detroit. It was a salary cap move for them.


Being 4th would make it that much worse. The thing that would kill me is that he's their supposed 3 pt. specialist, and if he started raining 3's on us....well that would be a horrible time watching it.


I agree... but i think that if Walter gets in the game for any extended minutes... That means the game is already outta hand one way or another.

[spectre]

You're looking at Fabio as a 4...like he himself said I think he's best utilized as a 3. Listening to Detroit fans most think he'll challenge Jarvis Hayes for 3rd SF.

He still won't get a lot of burn tho.

[Mustachio]

Im not lookin at him as anything. On Detroits official depth chart... he is the 4th Power Forward.

but your right whether hes the 3rd SF or the 4th PF ... he isnt gonna get any burn in the Motor City. I also saw a blip on espn that Flip is worried about his defensive abilities.

[spectre]

I also saw a blip on espn that Flip is worried about his defensive abilities.


Heh, but not Primoz...after all he was one of our best defenders! :hysterical:

Yeah, that still kills me.

I knew when it was Detroit they'd never get burn...I don't think you play unless you are a good defender. Hopefully for them they'll land somewhere this summer that can utilize what skills they have.

[DaFlameking]

I still shed a tear whenever I see Hermann's picture in the top banner of this forums.

He will be missed, but Im glad we rid of primoz and got a dominating (omg first game debut and went gold) nazr mohammed. I just wish that we didnt throw away Walter =/

[bizzlecatz]

I have to side with Vincent on this one, at least Brezec was a 7 footer, which is why he was in the lineup.

Let's be realistic. The only thing Walter had going was his hair :afro:

Let it go! :)

[Dunk]

Even if Walter got a lot of minutes...in my mind, he and Ammo have a similar game anyway. What was he going to do next year if he decided to stay with us? One of them would have needed to make room. And we still would have needed a big man which would have required to give up someone good and at least our first rounder (and probably more).

[dav7z]

Walter will be lucky to get any burn at all now. Primoz won't get any at all. At best both will be on the inactive list. That was just two favorable contracts.
Naz is the big we needed because Primoz was not near servicable on either team. I expect to see him let go.

[Alex]

I still shed a tear whenever I see Hermann's picture in the top banner of this forums.



about that...

maybe a mod could take the one with his face down?

[ziggy]

I still shed a tear whenever I see Hermann's picture in the top banner of this forums.



about that...

maybe a mod could take the one with his face down?


Fabio should now be out of the header rotation

[ALong13]

Walter will be lucky to get any burn at all now. Primoz won't get any at all. At best both will be on the inactive list. That was just two favorable contracts.
Naz is the big we needed because Primoz was not near servicable on either team. I expect to see him let go.


Well Herrmann is on the inactive list, while Primoz is expected to get about 10 minutes a game according to ESPN the other day..Anyways since we took Herrmann down, we going to be getting a Nazr one?

[ziggy]

Alex is working on a few more headers for me. We'll see what he comes up with.

[davcbow]

Wouldnt that be cool if Detroit cut Herrmann at the end of the season and we could resign him? would we want him back?

I noticed that the Bobcats website changed their graphics to the following pic's
Ammo, J-Rich, V, Mek, May, Felts, and Wallace. They should consider putting Nazr's pic on there too if he keeps his level of play up.

Oh yeah one more thing, does anyone miss Herrmann or Primoz?.... :g:

[ALong13]

Of course we miss the best defender that ever played for us in Primoz...haha not at all...Herrmann I liked, but his defense was horrible, and he wasn't helping us much getting 5-10 minutes a game...

[Dunk]

There's only one place where Primoz can be a great defender and that place is:

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/new_graphic_novel289.jpg





I'm excited about what Nazr has brought to the table so far. Hopefully he can continue to be successful in what he's asked to do in our system and take pressure of 'mek as well. I still want to wait a couple months to see if he can keep it up, though.

[Dead_Real]

Wouldnt that be cool if Detroit cut Herrmann at the end of the season and we could resign him? would we want him back?

I noticed that the Bobcats website changed their graphics to the following pic's
Ammo, J-Rich, V, Mek, May, Felts, and Wallace. They should consider putting Nazr's pic on there too if he keeps his level of play up.

Oh yeah one more thing, does anyone miss Herrmann or Primoz?.... :g:

I haven't been checking up on him but has Fabio gotten any Burn yet for the Pistons?

[davcbow]

Wouldnt that be cool if Detroit cut Herrmann at the end of the season and we could resign him? would we want him back?

I noticed that the Bobcats website changed their graphics to the following pic's
Ammo, J-Rich, V, Mek, May, Felts, and Wallace. They should consider putting Nazr's pic on there too if he keeps his level of play up.

Oh yeah one more thing, does anyone miss Herrmann or Primoz?.... :g:

I haven't been checking up on him but has Fabio gotten any Burn yet for the Pistons?


I think he is on Detroits inactive list.... :g:

[Dead_Real]

Oh ok.

[tbranch]

Hello!

Piston fan here. I just stopped by to see what you folks thought of our recent trade. I was happy to find an entire thread on it.

I was sort of surprised to see how much you all hated Brezec.
He let us know that he was happy to be a 'bad boy'... his words.
Last night he dove into the bench to go for a loose ball. All Pistons players scattered when they saw him coming. He took out like two rows of chairs and laid on the floor in heap. Nobody tried to break his fall and nobody helped him get up. Nice to see the effort but I don't think the boys have accepted him just yet. He reminds us a lot of Lambier.

Herrmann got a little PT last night near the end. He scored on his first attempt.
We haven't seen much of him yet... maybe some more tonite. He will have a hard time getting minutes on this team.

It's nice to see that Nazr is doing well. We Pistons fans liked him but he just didn't fit with the team for some reason. He didn't show much passion and that was the role we were wanting him to take on. Maxiel has stepped up and taken on the Big Ben role (and better than Ben did, I think).

Anyway, most of us really hope that Nazr will flourish with the Bobcats.

Good Luck against the Magic tonite.

-T.

[Muttley]

Thanks T.

I think us here at BCP hope Herrmann (especially) and Primoz play well for you guys. Just not against us.

[ziggy]

Thanks for the well wishes tbranch,

Once Walter is able to get some minutes for you guys, I think that you'll be pleasantly surprised. Most of us here hated to see him go.

[davcbow]

LOL Primoz the "Bad Boy". I miss Herrmann although I really like Nazr....I think we got the better end of the deal.... :g:

[dvdbumpus]

I'm glad Nazr made it on the team now. He's a legit starting center that fits MUCH better in our offense than Detroit's (as he was a terrible fit.) I hope he continues contributing.


If he does, it's obvious we'll go after a PG in the draft first, and look into signing some front court depth. Obviously we may get a big in the draft if one arises, but the PG seems the better selection.

[tamburello]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071230/SPORTS03/712300573/1051

Pistons forward Rasheed Wallace said the only nickname he's come up with for Brezec so far is "gangsta."

Rasheed nicknamed him "gangsta" whereas we've called him "turkey"?

[Dead_Real]

^
LMAO that's very weird that's the last thing that would come to my mind when thinking about Walter.

[tamburello]

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071231/SPORTS0102/712310374/1127/SPORTS0102

Very good article about Walter. It looks like he's grateful to the Bobcats for the opportunity to play in the league but he prefers to sit on the Pistons bench instead of Bobcats bench, which is clearly understandable.


"Charlotte is here," Herrmann said, holding his hand chest-high. "See?" He then moves his hand up, stopping even with his forehead.

"The Pistons are here, much higher, closer to winning the championship," Herrmann said. "That is why I am happy."

PS: Please pay attention to Primoz behind Herrmann in the picture. :D

[Muttley]

Nice find tamb. Walter's right, too. I hope he does well in Detroit.

As to the picture, Primoz has a kind of bugs bunny look on his face. That's kind of funny.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Have I mentioned how badass Primoz is?

[Muttley]

Have I mentioned how badass Primoz is?


Nope. Not that I've heard. No, can't say I have. Primoz? Badass? You may have...

No, I don't think you've mentioned it.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Oh, I'm sorry then.

Well, Primoz is indeed a badass.

[Muttley]

Oh, okay then. Thanks WvsMc.