Official Trade Thread... Post yours! (Use the trade machine on espn!) [Archive]

MattD

12-29-2007, 01:06 AM

I thought this might be cool, and very official :D, I have seen some of the peoples reactions to the crazy trade schemes we come up with, so it might be good to place them all into a compact thread and try not to let them seep into other threads.I thought this might be a good place to show what you are thinking about and what you've come up with. Then we can critique each others trades... sound good? maybe? :)

well heres my first...

and it goes along with a question, I dont think it would work because I know players who are injured cannot be traded, so players like sean may and ammo cannot be traded right?

if they could, maybe for the future, heres my trade...

three teams involved, phoenix, charlotte, Milwaukee

bobcats trade:

Ray Felton- suns
Emeka Okafor- suns
Ammo-Bucks
May-Bucks

Bobcats receive:

Shawn Marion
Michael Ruffin

Suns Trade:

Shawn Marion

Suns Recieve:
Okafor
Felton
Voskuhl

Bucks Recieve:
May
Morrison

on an individual basis, may and morrison for voskuhl and ruffin seems like a good deal for the bucks if they get healthy

marion for okafor felton and voskuhl seems good for phoenix whos looking for another bone crusher big

we get marion and ruffin (a serious hustler who can play a good role) and open up 2 new roster spots (sign a point guard boykins or cj watson if you will)

what do you guys think; in retrospect that took me a really long time :)

**I think it makes the thread a lot better if before posting up trades check them on espn's trade machine, it saves us from talking about ridiculously unreal situations (no offense to the below)

heres the web address:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

its very good

wil

12-29-2007, 01:36 AM

With the recent troubles of the knicks that resorted in benching these players and the bobcats and the late stinking play of oak, felton n carroll, it made me think that a trade would benefit both squads. the knicks doesnt want these guys there maybe with the exemption of robinson and the bobcats are not happy with the play of these players.. the knicks are rebuilding, perfect for felton n oak to showcase their skills and the bobcats need certified all stars. they maybe less appreciated their because of effort issues, but with less temptations here in charlotte who knows. given the circumstances, zach is currently averaging a double double..20 10 guy every night. so i think this is a win win situation for both teams.. what do you guys think? imagine:
charlotte starters:
c - Curry
Pf - Randolph
f - wallace
sg - j-rich
pg - nate

bench:
nazr
dudley
d.a.
jeff
hollins
may*
adam*

TheBeagle

12-29-2007, 01:39 AM

Uh...........no. How does that trade benefit us?

davcbow

12-29-2007, 02:09 AM

The Bucks would never go for it. 2 injured players go to the Bucks? Never happen.

MattD

12-29-2007, 02:35 AM

I dont know look at who they are losing, voskuhl oh boy! and ruffin another guy who rides the bench, whereas they get a potentially very nice complementing scorer in morrison and a more skilled big in may, i think alone may is greater then both ruffin and voskuhl, and morrison is too so...

but granted theyd have to be moderatly healthy or the bucks would be undertaking a huge risk reward type thing

wil

12-29-2007, 04:41 AM

for starters we never had a twenty ten guy in this franchise, in this case we are sure of at least getting one in zach.. curry might give you 12 8 conservatively depending how they use him.. let's face it, okafor will never be a 20 10 guy no matter hw they use him.. his more of a defender n rebounder type.. and at the point, we loose a little with loosing felton but not much because we also get nate.. loosing carroll basically unloads the wated contracted we aquired last summer when we signed him (worse signing ever)..
basically WINNING and more public attraction are the benefit from this.. that's not a bad benefit considering we havent won much in the history of this franchise..

Alex

12-29-2007, 04:54 AM

i dont like lazy players and seeing how the team this year is already playing lazy in certain games i dont think bringing in the leagues laziest player in Curry would help much.

spectre

12-29-2007, 06:21 AM

LMAO have you seen the Knicks this year??? If you think our guys are underachieving you need to watch Curry and Randolph.

Emeka's worth more than all three of them combined.

spectre

12-29-2007, 06:30 AM

You can trade injured players but the other team has to waive the physical.

Marion has an opt out if I'm not mistaken...so you'd basically be trading Mek and Felts for 50 games of the Matrix and Michael Ruffin. We probably could get a S&T deal, but I see that as becoming nasty quick. That's why Utah refused to trade AK47 for him last season...even though AK was having the worst streak of his life.

wil

12-29-2007, 07:32 AM

Zach Randolph
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 18.2 RPG 10.20 APG 1.9
Eddy Curry
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 13.7 RPG 5.0 APG 0.6
Nate Robinson
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 9.2 RPG 2.7 APG 1.4

V.S.

Emeka Okafor
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 13.7 RPG 10.7 APG 0.6
Raymond Felton
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 14.8 RPG 2.9 APG 6.6
Matt Carroll
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8.3 RPG 2.3 APG 0.6

ziggy

12-29-2007, 07:50 AM

Welcome to the board Wil,

I could see the benefits of adding someone like Zach Randolph, but I wouldn't want to add Curry. He has ongoing weight problems and he doesn't rebound well enough for a big man in my opinion.

What do you think it would take to get just Zach?

spectre

12-29-2007, 09:34 AM

You guys need to take a trip to the Knicks board on RealGM:

Can anybody tame Zach? (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=744292)

If you can deal one player who would it be? (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=744170&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

TKF keys to the loss.... (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=743927)

There's a reason Portland was more than happy to pay out like 30 MILLION DOLLARS to buy out Francis' contract just to get rid of Randolph. There is nothing on that roster I'd take unless they were on the rookie contract (Lee, Balkman, Collins, and to a lesser extent Robinson).

You can compare stats all you want, but none of those guys make a team better; in fact they make a team MUCH worse.

ammofan

12-29-2007, 10:13 AM

I say we trade::

Cats Get:
Amare Stoudamire
Leandro Barbosa

Suns Get:
Emeka Okafor
Ray Felton

Then we sign another point guard, maybe Earl Boykins??

Muttley

12-29-2007, 10:27 AM

I say we trade::

Cats Get:
Amare Stoudamire
Leandro Barbosa

Suns Get:
Emeka Okafor
Ray Felton

Then we sign another point guard, maybe Earl Boykins??

Yeah, I bet Amare would just LOVE that...

MattD

12-29-2007, 11:16 AM

Im with everyone on the knicks trades, curry and randoloph are so damn lazy! while i watched us just wreck the knicks in the first half, thats all i could repeat, man they are so damn lazy

as far as marion opting out, i think we could have a pretty solid lineup and the team might be good enough for him to want to stay

MattD

12-29-2007, 11:17 AM

I say we trade::

Cats Get:
Amare Stoudamire
Leandro Barbosa

Suns Get:
Emeka Okafor
Ray Felton

Then we sign another point guard, maybe Earl Boykins??

Use the trade machine... that will never work financially nor would the suns be crazy enough to agree with it, barbosa and amare are making a combined 22mill...

trade machine link:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

Alex

12-29-2007, 11:23 AM

Haha why in the hell would the Suns give away two players that are both better than the players they would be getting in return anyway?

davcbow

12-30-2007, 02:17 AM

I say we trade::

Cats Get:
Amare Stoudamire
Leandro Barbosa

Suns Get:
Emeka Okafor
Ray Felton

Then we sign another point guard, maybe Earl Boykins??

Yeah, I bet Amare would just LOVE that...

The altimate "Burn" after his comments about the Bobcats during preseason.... :g:

tamburello

12-30-2007, 08:39 AM

Anything can change until the end of season, but if this season ends in this disappointing way, my suggestion is simple:

Pau Gasol for (re-signed)Okafor and Felton

If Okafor signs something between 8 and 12 millions, this trade works.

We get "real" and "clinically proven" low-post scorer. Memphis gets a tough front court in Okafor and Milicic, with also Gay , Miller and Felton(and maybe Conley Jr.) they would have a wonderful starting 5.

We have 4 good starting players(Nazr, Pau, GW, J-Rich), after a high pick we can draft a good PG.

It's a shame we've lost our hopes so early.

spectre

12-30-2007, 09:38 AM

'Impatient' Wallace in no rush to break up faltering Griz (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/dec/30/impatient-wallace-in-no-rush-to-break-up-griz/)

Short-term, Wallace said the Griz have no plans to move Gasol, who is often mentioned in trade rumors. Memphis has received calls and standing trade offers for Gasol from at least two teams -- Charlotte and Atlanta -- according to insiders.

I wonder if we really would move Mek (and Felts) for Gasol. During the summer I'd probably have said no...because of Mek, not Felton. Right now I probably would.

We could offer Mek/Felts/Hammer for Gasol/Navarro (I don't think they'd move one without the other). We'd be sorely lacking at the 1 though.

Would they want Hammer since they have Miller?

tamburello

12-30-2007, 10:32 AM

Wow, not only me but also our front office thinks in the same way. Gasol/Navarro thing is right, Navarro would be a real problem if they are divided. But I hate Navarro since his days in Barcelona. I don't want him.

Any team in NBA should want Hammer regardless of their starting SF.

spectre

12-30-2007, 12:56 PM

But would they take Felton since they already have Farmar and Conley? The deal would lose a lot of lustre for me if it was Crash or JRich instead.

I do agree that Hammer would probably get the nod...Miller might not be long for the Griz anyway.

MattD

12-31-2007, 06:14 PM

the more I think about my own trade, the more I think the bucks would need another piece to agree to the deal... but I dont think its far fetched

ohara831

12-31-2007, 07:10 PM

This one works: We trade Memphis Okafor, Felton and Carroll and they send us Gasol and their 1st round pick. We have a true Center, and 2 lottery picks. They will have a PF/C to replace Gasol, combo G in Ray and a 6th man SG in Carroll. We could start Nazr at the 4 for a tryout, and we sign Boykins to be our starting PG with McInnis as his back up.

**NOTE: This is only a quick thought after reading some trades above. I have not pondered this more than 10 minutes, just wanted to see if I could make a trade happen.

ALong13

12-31-2007, 08:41 PM

I say we send Jeff McInnis to the Waste Disposal company..

ohara831

12-31-2007, 09:27 PM

I say we send Jeff McInnis to the Waste Disposal company..
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And get a 2008 state of the art trash compactor back? I'd take that deal.

MattD

01-01-2008, 09:48 AM

Muttley

01-01-2008, 11:23 AM

I say we send Jeff McInnis to the Waste Disposal company..
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And get a 2008 state of the art trash compactor back? I'd take that deal.

I'd be happy with getting "lack of McInnis on roster" in return. If we could get a trash compactor too, then damn let's make a deal!

ohara831

01-01-2008, 11:24 AM

Slam

01-01-2008, 12:20 PM

ohara831

01-01-2008, 12:56 PM

Bobcats out:

Felton
Richardson
Okafor

Bobcats in:

Claxton
Johnson
Horford

then we use our '08 1st round pick on a pass first PG like Rose, Augustine or Collison (depending on where we pick)

I'm thinking:

Augustine
JJ
Crash
Horford
Nazr

Trade ID #4378915
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That is pretty interesting. That may have my backing, the more I think about it. What do you think of the one I posted above? Is it something you would do; and if so, would Memphis do it?

Slam

01-01-2008, 01:14 PM

That is pretty interesting. That may have my backing, the more I think about it. What do you think of the one I posted above? Is it something you would do; and if so, would Memphis do it?

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It's not bad and not nearly as bad as some of the horrible offers I have been seeing around differnt places to get us Gasol. Some peeps think we should give half our roster for Gasol. Don't get me wrong - I like Gasol - but only if he is next to EO50, not instead of him.

I sure do like the idea of the two lotto picks, but we don't want to continually be young and trying to build.

jaxatax23

01-01-2008, 01:36 PM

i like the ray an mek for gasol trade...memphis wouldnt be willing to give up there lotto pick...we would have to sign boykins an then PRAY that we land rose in the draft an if not him, then augistine...we would still have a roster spot open so we could also sign another player

MattD

01-01-2008, 02:01 PM

Bobcats out:

Felton
Richardson
Okafor

Bobcats in:

Claxton
Johnson
Horford

then we use our '08 1st round pick on a pass first PG like Rose, Augustine or Collison (depending on where we pick)

I'm thinking:

Augustine
JJ
Crash
Horford
Nazr

Trade ID #4378915

dont like it, Jrich is my man

But I don't want oak on our team anymore, Horford is a beast too, but lets be real here the Hawks are in the first winning season in how long? no way theyll break up their core right now... theyre on the brink of getting somewhere

davcbow

01-01-2008, 02:09 PM

Bobcats out:

Felton
Richardson
Okafor

Bobcats in:

Claxton
Johnson
Horford

then we use our '08 1st round pick on a pass first PG like Rose, Augustine or Collison (depending on where we pick)

I'm thinking:

Augustine
JJ
Crash
Horford
Nazr

Trade ID #4378915

dont like it, Jrich is my man

But I don't want oak on our team anymore, Horford is a beast too, but lets be real here the Hawks are in the first winning season in how long? no way theyll break up their core right now... theyre on the brink of getting somewhere

Now that would totally blow my mind if Atlanta did something like that. Id give it 1 chance out of a 100 of ever happening..... :g:

Slam

01-01-2008, 02:23 PM

It gets them out of Claxton's contract and with Lue's deal coming to an end makes Law and Felts their PG rotation.

Jrich might be your man, but JJ is a better all around player and the type that we need.

Horford is a beast. He might not be the defensive freak that EO50 is, but he's going to be a little more rounded.

Jrich might be "your man" but if we had the chance to swap him for someone like JJ, Iggy or Roy we would have to do it.

MattD

01-01-2008, 03:43 PM

you would trade jrich for iggy???? no way

swetooth9

01-01-2008, 11:58 PM

i like the atlanta trade that someone posted, but don't think they would trade JJ and horford b/c of how great things are going at the moment..maybe if the hawks start sucking again they'll consider it

the felton+okafor for gasol trade is nice, but then the grizzlies would have 4 PG's (felton, conley, lowry, stoudamire)

dvdbumpus

01-02-2008, 02:18 AM

Please god no speedy claxton. Atlanta would never do that deal because JJ is more reliable and versatile, as is what Horford will become.

It's also not good with contracts. (J-rich expensive, okafor expiring, felton new deal). It would be too expensive on their part and they'd lose pieces too quickly.

wil

01-02-2008, 06:05 AM

SACRAMENTO
BRAD MILLER
FRANCISCO GARCIA
BENO UDRICH

TRADE FOR:

CHARLOTTE
EMEKA OKAFOR
RAY FELTON
MATT CARROLL
:afro:

Slam

01-02-2008, 10:42 AM

You would trade jrich for iggy???? no way

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In a heart beat - and I dig JRich.

The incentive for the Hawks is that they get out of Speedy's deal - something we would have to swallow, plus they would have the chance to sign EO50 on the cheap (based on his season).

Not that I would be as keen, but what about replacing Horford with Sheldon Williams? Does that smooth things out for the Hawks?

(waits to hear the thud as Spectre hits the floor)

BTW - that Sac deal is disgustingly bad.

dav7z

01-02-2008, 10:50 AM

Thud i just hit the floor[Sheldon Williams]

spectre

01-02-2008, 11:03 AM

Thud i just hit the floor[Sheldon Williams]

:deadbanana:

Shellhead as our best big? <shudder>

I really think JJ is out of the picture (he should be untouchable so far as ATL is concerned) and Horford about the same. I know "I" wouldn't trade them.

IMO Gasol should be the prime target if we're trading Okafor (and I think that's the ONLY way we get Gasol)...unless Bosh is an option.

Honestly I'm not that hot on trading Mek...but anyway.

Slam

01-02-2008, 11:19 AM

I'm with you Spectre. I wouldn't be looking to trade EO50 at all...........but for the sake of argument I thought I would try to throw something together.

ohara831

01-02-2008, 11:26 AM

Spectre and Slam : Do you not think that something is amiss with Okafor? His whole attitude is bad. He is not taking shots, and seems to just not be happy at all. Pleople have been talking about that on the Board for a few weeks that he is seemingly at odds with some of the other guys on the team and the whole philosphy of the organization. I know that when we failed to get his new Contract agreed to, both he and the Cats knda brushed it off and said we will get it done after this season. But, I am not so sure. Aside from the money issue, I think he is genuinely not happy right now, and he may very well just walk anyway. Then, we got nothing for him except the lost salary for cap space. Just something to consider.

spectre

01-02-2008, 12:16 PM

He's an RFA...there's almost no chance he walks for nothing.

Mek might not be playing to form so far this season (at least this season has been erratic for him), but over the last 3 seasons he's been one of the best defenders in the league. Take a look at the other teams and see just how many "Okafors" there are.

So far as this season who hasn't been somewhat of a disappointment? Other than JRich (who's started coming on) there's been only one big change, and that's the COACH. The two guys who haven't been a disappointment lately...Crash & JRich...are doing it "one on one".

If we could ever play a "team" game I have a suspicion everyone would look better.

Slam

01-02-2008, 12:57 PM

ohara I haven't seen the team in over a month so I can't really comment, although EO50's body language wasn't that great in Nov. He seemed frustrated with his team mates on more than one occassion going to time outs etc.

He and Crash have been here from the start. Maybe they, and especially EO50, are sick of not winning? Considering EO50 came from an NCAA championship team to us - a band new frachsie who had to build - maybe he is fed up with the lack of progression?

MattD

01-03-2008, 12:39 PM

I think, the more i ponder it, that I would not make anymore trades for the time being. I dont think ray and mek have had the chance to show what kind of players they really are this season. Weve all been looking to pinoint the troubles onto someone. I think we were reluctant at first to realize oak is playing like shit, felton cannot play point... but the coach, the coach is strangling this team. Under a more effective system, I wonder how our guys would perform, I think they all would perform at a higher level (well jrich and wallace are doing everything they can must be depressing) and theyre trade values would go up. No need to hurt this franchise just yet, lose the coach, if mek still plays terrible, then we dont resign him. That simple, btw thanks for not accepting that 13 mill offer mek ???