Bobcats players body language

[ziggy]

Fromage mentioned this in one of the game threads and I thought that it was worth discussing in its own thread

... the body language among the players - often borderlines hostile if you look closely. crash & mek in particular look a bit pissy. something just isn't right with our team.

I've noticed this myself. If you look at body language it seems as though something might be up between Emeka and Crash... and possibly Emeka and Ray.

Has anyone else noticed this?

[spectre]

There's definitely some friction between Mek & Felton. I've noticed a few times that Felts won't pass him the ball after Mek sets the screen. Granted it'd leave Mek about 15-20 ft. from the basket and I don't really want him to have it that far out either...but I can see how that would piss him off, esp. since this is his "goal oriented" season.

Add to that V's comments about how his PGs say that Mek isn't making himself available (which I agree with) I think there's no doubt there are "issues" there.

Mek just looks upset in general. Every pass he fumbles, every foul called on him, every pass that is going to him but gets knocked away by a defender...Mek looks unhappy.

Think maybe Emeka is thinking too much about that contract? Maybe he's blaming everyone else for his subpar numbers this year?

[spectre]

Practice fight makes a perfect 12 (http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1198986908219800.xml&coll=7)

Maybe a fight between Mek & Felts will do the trick.

[Wallace15]

Practice fight makes a perfect 12 (http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1198986908219800.xml&coll=7)

Maybe a fight between Mek & Felts will do the trick.


It's worth a shot. Ray and Oak, get to scraping. And Crash, jump in if you like.

[ziggy]

The Bobcats desperately need something like that to happen for them.

[ohara831]

I can understand why Crash would feel upset. I've mentioned before that he is one of the only ones I see ALWAYS hustling and busting his ass. Others just seem to take time off when the game is out of hand. I think he is disappointed in his teammates, and he has a right to be. Dudley has fire, but he hasn't been playing lately. I have not seen enough of Nazr to know, but hope he has an intensity there. Being on the Spurs and Pistons is a good place to learn about intensity.

[spectre]

I have not seen enough of Nazr to know, but hope he has an intensity there. Being on the Spurs and Pistons is a good place to learn about intensity.

Neither have I honestly, but it could be a concern. That's one of the things the Piston fans warned about...his lack intensity. Right now he's in a new situation so we're probably not seeing the "real" Nazr.

I doubt seriously if he's our long term answer for the starting lineup. Quality 6th man type though.

[dnbman]

That's true that on a great team, he's probably a sixth man, but for now, Nazr is exactly what we need.

I would love some sort of explosion in practice that would unite the players. My only concern would be that it would be a put on in light of Portland's success.

It sounds like there was some real catharsis in that practice, the kind that can't be artificially triggered. Those guys found something deep in their souls when they were playing like that.

I also have much more faith in McMillan's ability to coach than Vincent's. A practice like that can easily backfire if the principles taught out of it don't work.

[dav7z]

Interesting topic. Any one notice Wallace and his assist go up after the M.J. practice . He passes much more to Rich and the open man . I think thats benefited Rich more than any one. Wallace don't look happy with the coaching as i think he thinks the game should be run and gun. Have you guys noticed how hes pushing the ball when he gets the board.
Felton looks like a player who gets his ass chewed no matter what choice he makes. Like last night he didn't know what to do.He played very tight til the forth. OK seems decusted because of his less than average play this year and looks to be blaming Felton and Wallace for his poor play. He seems to want to be the man but dosent have the passion or the talent to be the man.
I all so think the coach is the blame for a lot of this because of his indesivness on the decisions he makes.
Just think after practing with M.J a few times the team played the best game they have played all year.
But now we heading back to a me team fast.
Me i think the biggest problems is the coach and Jeff Mcinnis. But thats just my thoughts.

[Muttley]

Maybe MJ should can Sam and coach the Bobcats himself. At least then they'll listen to what their coach has to say.

Really though, I doubt that's the solution. The players just need to get on the same page. If that means cussing each other out at practice and airing out some differences, then that's what needs to happen.

[twebb]

i hope someone does inciter emeka. Maybe a tech or two will show his teammates that he does have a fire and that they should try harder to feed him in the games.

[Keetch]

heh I know things are really bad when you all are foreseeing a team brawl as a good thing....

Maybe one or two of them should just go Sprewell on Vincent...okay okay not gonna work...

or...maybe a few of us could go Artest (which to clarify involves throwing crap at players) from the stands only direct it at the hometeam somehow so they know that we're really really angry at them.....naw that won't work either.... ::)

[dnbman]

heh I know things are really bad when you all are foreseeing a team brawl as a good thing....

Maybe one or two of them should just go Sprewell on Vincent...okay okay not gonna work...

or...maybe a few of us could go Artest (which to clarify involves throwing crap at players) from the stands only direct it at the hometeam somehow so they know that we're really really angry at them.....naw that won't work either.... ::)


At tomorrow's game, I'll throw myself in the aisle and start speaking in tongues.

If that doesn't work, I say we make start a ritual of throwing raw pork chops on to the court every time one of our players or coach makes a mindless decision.

Of course, we'd have to get a butcher to sponsor us, as none of us could afford that many pork chops.

[Fromage]

considering this thread, i think it's fair to say this season is BEYOND disapointing right now. intra-squad violence... good grief.

[dav7z]

Pork chops,Shan May and krispy cream doughnuts might work. If we can get Shan to share. Krispy cream is all it ever took to fire up Shan.

[TheBeagle]

I haven't noticed any more defeated body language than in any other year. I think the Blazers thing is just a fluke; they could just as easily have folded even moreso after that heated practice, as win 13+ games. That was just a bunch of youngsters getting hot, which probably will happen again when they go on a losing streak. Many, many, many teams have this sort of thing happen in every sport all the time, and you only really hear about it when a team rolls off a ridiculous amount of wins. In short, don't read too much into in that article. The last thing the Cats need is bickering and in-fighting. What would be more beneficial is a forum conducted by MJ and Bernie, and trying to figure out the relationship between the players and coach(es). That's where the disconnect seems to be.

I think the "body language" topic bears watching in the coming months as we will more than likely keep piling on the losses, but right now, I don't sense anything that the players are anything more than frustrated at not knowing how to win games, and confused by what exactly they're supposed to be doing on offense, but mainly defense.

[twebb]

And then sometimes you get body language like this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=db399a3940dc0604eeae7de643f80f87-getty-76075026ks021_pacrs_bobcts&prov=getty

[Alex]

I agree, this is a big issue with our team this year. The guys rarely stand up and cheer on the bench, there's very few high fives going around and they just don't look happy with each other. If the chemistry is not there the wins will not come.

[timang]

I agree, this is a big issue with our team this year. The guys rarely stand up and cheer on the bench, there's very few high fives going around and they just don't look happy with each other. If the chemistry is not there the wins will not come.


that is a very revealing observation. what now? even i myself is lost (the present problems) with all this :-\

[davcbow]

I agree, this is a big issue with our team this year. The guys rarely stand up and cheer on the bench, there's very few high fives going around and they just don't look happy with each other. If the chemistry is not there the wins will not come.


that is a very revealing observation. what now? even i myself is lost (the present problems) with all this :-\


This team has a morale problem. V has blown the morale of this team straight to hell and I dont think as things sit right now that it is going to come back until some changes are made..... :g:

[Dead_Real]

I haven't really paid to much attention to this until I saw this thread and most recently (During the Bulls game a few days ago) I saw Felton make a bad pass, Coach Vincent called him over and you could tell Felton didn't want to hear him and he just quickly brushed him off and walked away. I don't think our players respect him that much.

[bizzlecatz]

Felts is tired of being the whipping boy.This is not surprising, it gets old after a while.

[TheBeagle]

Is any of this stuff much different than what goes on across the league? Flipping casually through games on ESPN, TNT, NBATV, I often see players not make eye contact with their coaches, and just sort of nod and walk away. You guys could definitely (and probably) be on to something, but, honestly, I'm not seeing anything that alarming.....yet.

[Alex]

Is any of this stuff much different than what goes on across the league? Flipping casually through games on ESPN, TNT, NBATV, I often see players not make eye contact with their coaches, and just sort of nod and walk away. You guys could definitely (and probably) be on to something, but, honestly, I'm not seeing anything that alarming.....yet.


Nah dude, I watch plenty of NBA games from all across the league. You look at teams such as Boston, Lakers, Phoenix, San Antonio and the camaraderie they show and then you compare it to us and there's no comparison. Our guys look like they don't even like to be around each other on the court. The only two who seem to have formed some sort of bond just by their on court body language are Gerald and Jason and that comes as no surprise since they're the two best players on the team and they bring it every night.