gasol

[babyj42]

i read on prosportsdaily.com (bobcats rumors) that we apparently have a trade sitting on the table for gasol... who would we deal? i guess a future 1st rounder, morrison, and othella?... he would be a missing link but would we have to give up too much?

[ohara831]

We'd have to give up muc more. I would give Okafor, Felton and one more body to get Gasol and their 1st rounder as it will be a Lottery pick.

[dnbman]

We'd have to give up muc more. I would give Okafor, Felton and one more body to get Gasol and their 1st rounder as it will be a Lottery pick.


I can't see Felton headed that way considering how crowded their backcourt already is. However, the deal would have to include Okafor and a couple of players to make it a legal deal.

I just think a deal with Memphis is too complicated to get done. Gasol makes a ton of cash and our only players that do are Okafor, Wallace and Richardson. There's no way Memphis is taking Wallace or Richardson as the centerpiece of the deal. That leaves Okafor and other players.

[Mustachio]

i cant explain to you how pissed i would be if they traded....

Okafor, Morrison

for

Gasol.

That wouldnt solve a single problem we have.

[TheBeagle]

Please, dear god, no more acquiring massive contracts and bartering away our future for a possible quick fix. I was happy about the JR deal, not too happy with Nazr deal (though he's played pretty damn good overall, when he gets minutes), but that's enough. Ohara has finally won me over with the acquisition of draft picks, and I say that's the only thing we should focus on, aside from trying to sign Antawn this off-season. I say maybe they can do a 3 way deal where we get draft pick(s) and expiring contract, Memphis gets Mek (an expiring contract), and team 3 gets Gasol. I say 2009 is the year we should make a push for a top-flight FA, or at least a damn solid one, to put us over the top. Then again, this all depends on who we draft in 08 and how he turns out....

Nonetheless, no more trades that hamper our salary cap further!!!

[Alex]

If we don't get their first round picks for this upcoming draft then we shouldn't trade for him, no way.

[ohara831]

If we don't get their first round picks for this upcoming draft then we shouldn't trade for him, no way.

__________________________________________________ ________ I agree. I want Gaso and their 1st, and I'd give them Felton, Okafor and another body - perhaps Carroll since he somehow seems to have wound up in Sam's doghouse. He hardly plays now.

[MattD]

Im starting to question if now we are undervaluing our own players because of coach vincent, i think if he was gone we would all be playing better

[The Stache]

It doesn't sound like Memphis is gonna trade Gasol.

Look at this from the article on Gasol and trade rumors:


Short-term, Wallace said the Griz have no plans to move Gasol, who is often mentioned in trade rumors. Memphis has received calls and standing trade offers for Gasol from at least two teams -- Charlotte and Atlanta -- according to insiders.

Mike Miller also has been mentioned as trade bait in national reports. But one thing to keep in mind about the Grizzlies is that they won't accept expiring contracts for their top talent. Teams, though, have become more serious about trades since Dec. 15, when free agents from last summer could be dealt.


If it says they won't accept expiring contracts (Okafor) for top talent (Gasol) then it doesn't look like this trade will happen.

Note: The article is talking about Chris Wallace (Grizzlies GM.)

[spectre]

Mek would be an RFA and the trade would transfer Bird Rights...so he really wouldn't be an expiring. Just like with us, if Mek wanted out he'd almost have to go thru Memphis via a sign and trade deal.

[The Stache]

Stat Comparison:

Pau Gasol - PF/C vs. Emeka Okafor - PF/C

PPG- 17.9 PPG- 13.1
FG%- .492 FG%- .505
FT%- .845 FT%- .531
RPG- 8.1 RPG- 10.50
BLKPG- 1.19 BLKPG- 1.83
APG- 2.7 APG- .6

Stats from Jan. 3

[davcbow]

Stat Comparison:

Pau Gasol - PF/C vs. Emeka Okafor - PF/C

PPG- 17.9 PPG- 13.1
FG%- .492 FG%- .505
FT%- .845 FT%- .531
RPG- 8.1 RPG- 10.50
BLKPG- 1.19 BLKPG- 1.83
APG- 2.7 APG- .6

Stats from Jan. 3



If we did that trade, playing with V as a coach, his #'s would go down drastically....
V's system makes good players look bad and something needs to be done before he ruins the players values any further.....What is MJ thinking by letting this crap continue..... :g:

[bizzlecatz]

If we trade Mek for Gasol, I would travel from Virginia Beach to Bobcats Arena, and blow up MJ and everyone in it.

Seriously, now that would be stupid.

[ohara831]

If we trade Mek for Gasol, I would travel from Virginia Beach to Bobcats Arena, and blow up MJ and everyone in it.

Seriously, now that would be stupid.
__________________________________________________ __

Gasol has more game. And on our team, I think he would improve his numbers b/c people have to worry about Crash and J-Rich right now. Okafor has simply lost his drive. I wish he would find it, but it has disappeared.

[bizzlecatz]

If we trade Mek for Gasol, I would travel from Virginia Beach to Bobcats Arena, and blow up MJ and everyone in it.

Seriously, now that would be stupid.
__________________________________________________ __

Gasol has more game. And on our team, I think he would improve his numbers b/c people have to worry about Crash and J-Rich right now. Okafor has simply lost his drive. I wish he would find it, but it has disappeared.



people have to worry about Crash and JRich every game, they are not going to become non-existent. They are major players on our team.

Mek has disappeared under Sam Vincent, but so has everyone else at one point, I still would'nt trade him for Gasol, because Mek is younger, cheaper, a better definder, and a shot blocking machine.

Mek could become that franchise player with the right people working with him.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

I wouldn't do Gasol for Mek even straight up. I realize Mek has looked like he doesn't give a damn of late, but don't underestimate his defensive presence. Remember back to when he was out last season and how atrocious we played. If he wasn't hurt then we would've made the playoffs last year. I realize that Gasol is a superior offensive player, but Mek and to a lesser extent GW are our only defensive studs getting regular playing time.

[spectre]

Mek has disappeared under Sam Vincent, but so has everyone else at one point, I still would'nt trade him for Gasol, because Mek is younger, cheaper, a better definder, and a shot blocking machine.

Yup.

Without someone like Mek I think we'd worse off with Gasol as we'd have NO defense in the paint. Opposing teams would be scoring 120 ppg against us.

Best thing IMO is to let Mek focus solely on defense and pair him with a Gasol type.

[Muttley]

Hmm... here's an interesting thought:

Maybe MJ hired Vincent so that he would cause Mek to lose his drive and not play as well in a contract year. That way, we can sign him for cheaper than he's worth, can Vincent after the year and hire a NEW coach that can actually motivate players AND have them play their best together.

It's all a maniacal ploy!

[davcbow]

Hummmm lets just tank the entire season, lose fans, look bad to the entire league so we can get Mek for cheap..... Hummmmm I dont see it..... :g:

[BIGCatBobcat]

Why is Gasol such a big trade piece? Just because Memphis is bad and he's a big man? No thanks, keep him away from Charlotte.

[Muttley]

In case it's not obvious, I don't think that was what's going on.

[babyj42]

In case it's not obvious, I don't think that was what's going on.



oh now you tell me... haha

[123together]

ill just speculate why charlotte may be interested in gasol. the bobcats lack inside scoring, what does gasol provide? bingo

while i wouldn't do the trade cuz of his salary, that is why the cats are probably interested in him. okafor is more of a complimentary inside player, but has been forced to be the bobs first inside threat. they are merely exploring their options for a primary post scorer.

[dav7z]

I would make that trade in a flat second. OK is not the scoring threat we need in the middle. But just look at the starting five for the next four years. We could contend with any one.
1. Felton and next years first round pick
2. Rich and Carroll
3. Wallace , Morrison , Dudley
4. Gasol, May , Davidson
5. Naz and Hollins
pick up a 4,5 type at vet min. A defencive minded two at Min.
Then take Jamoison as a free agent to minter thease players.
He could play the four and the three.
With that we win the east mabe the championship,

[davcbow]

I would make that trade in a flat second. OK is not the scoring threat we need in the middle. But just look at the starting five for the next four years. We could contend with any one.
1. Felton and next years first round pick
2. Rich and Carroll
3. Wallace , Morrison , Dudley
4. Gasol, May , Davidson
5. Naz and Hollins
pick up a 4,5 type at vet min. A defencive minded two at Min.
Then take Jamoison as a free agent to minter thease players.
He could play the four and the three.
With that we win the east mabe the championship,


This would be an exciting team to watch, especially with Jamison, thats a good call dav7z, too bad though I dont think Mem wants to let him go.... :g:

[bizzlecatz]

I would rather have Mek's defensive post presence, then an offensive post threat,but I think we already have both, if our coach knew how to utilize the talent he has to work with.

Mek and Naz could be our defensive, and offensive post threats, if utilized properly. :biggrin:

btw, Memphis would make the trade, if Mek is involved. A defensive post player is not easy to find.

I don't want any more trades until Vincent can prove he's capable of coaching an NBA team.

[dav7z]

I like the idea of a inside defencive post presence. But the coach has allready said OK50 can't defend the four . Hes really a five . Just the oppsite of what we been hearing the last three years. IF OK is really a five what reason was it to bring in Nazr. Would have it not been cheaper and more easy to get a decent four. Nazr now becomes a wasted trade if OK can't play the four. So please explain to me what coach V is thinking.
Gasol is a proven scoring threat in side and out . He can play the four or hold down the five if he has to . Him and Nazr would be a hell of a lot better option than the small line up we playing now. Im for any thing all most thet would force Mcinnis out the starting line up. It would be instersting to see if he beanched Ray or Mcinnis. I don't think hes so stupid as to beanch Ray.
I all so think Gasol is a much more proven player than OK50. As much as i like OK i would have to pull the triger on that trade.

[spectre]

I would rather have Mek's defensive post presence, then an offensive post threat,but I think we already have both, if our coach knew how to utilize the talent he has to work with.

Mek and Naz could be our defensive, and offensive post threats, if utilized properly. :biggrin:

btw, Memphis would make the trade, if Mek is involved. A defensive post player is not easy to find.

I don't want any more trades until Vincent can prove he's capable of coaching an NBA team.


Time for some rep from me Bizzle...twice today you penned what I think.

Let Mek focus solely on D...let Nazr play WITH Mek and focus mainly on offense. Next year put up a fight to get Jamison...and THERE is your athletic 4 to team with Mek. I think we can get Jamison without giving up Mek...that won't happen with Gasol.


I like the idea of a inside defencive post presence. But the coach has allready said OK50 can't defend the four

Dav right now I wouldn't believe what comes out of Vincent's mouth if he told me the sky was blue. He's afraid for his job and rationalizing out of his ass to point the finger everywhere but at himself.

[Mustachio]

ive been saying since year 1 that Mek is a 5. but i do think he can play the 4.

I actually wouldnt mind the Gasol trade either. Gasol isnt like a garbage defender hes just more offensive minded.

However... I also agree with bizzlecat... I would not trade for anything else ... especially if its Vincents idea. until we know what we already have. And with Vincent so far.... we really dont know what we have talent wise.