Detroit Pistons at Charlotte Bobcats 1/12

[ziggy]

Tonight we have the triumphant return of PRIMOZ BREZEC!!!!!

:biggrin: I'm sure that he'll only get 4 minutes of court time but I pray that Crash or J-Rich posterizes him tonight.

On another note Ray is out, but thankfully it doesn't appear to be long term. Will Jeff McInnis' quad be healthy enough to start for us tonight?

[Wallace15]

Tonight we have the triumphant return of PRIMOZ BREZEC!!!!!

:biggrin: I'm sure that he'll only get 4 minutes of court time but I pray that Crash or J-Rich posterizes him tonight.

On another note Ray is out, but thankfully it doesn't appear to be long term. Will Jeff McInnis' quad be healthy enough to start for us tonight?


I sure hope not.

Felton, get healthy as quick as you can.

[Muttley]

Tonight we have the triumphant return of PRIMOZ BREZEC!!!!!

:biggrin: I'm sure that he'll only get 4 minutes of court time but I pray that Crash or J-Rich posterizes him tonight.

On another note Ray is out, but thankfully it doesn't appear to be long term. Will Jeff McInnis' quad be healthy enough to start for us tonight?


I sure hope not.

Felton, get healthy as quick as you can.


I'd feel better making Gerald play PG (Assuming we would want Jason to focus solely on scoring and defending Rip or Tayshaun.)

[Muttley]

PG - Gerald
SG - Matt
SF - JRich
PF - Jared
C - Okafor
...with Nazr coming in to rest Oak or Jared, whoever is sucking wind first.

Really, though, it's better than playing a McInnis who's left than 100%.

[Dead_Real]

Most likely we'll see a starting line up of McInnis, J-Rich, Wallace, Emeka and Nazr. It would be great to see Nazr go off on his former team tonight.

PS - Has anyone heard if D.A. will make the trip tonight?

[Muttley]

Most likely we'll see a starting line up of McInnis, J-Rich, Wallace, Emeka and Nazr. It would be great to see Nazr go off on his former team tonight.

PS - Has anyone heard if D.A. will make the trip tonight?


Well, game's in Charlotte so I assume he'll at least be on the bench. I hope he's in uniform, but I'm not sure. He's officially listed as questionable. Your line-up's probably right, I was just thinking of another "experimental" line-up that I might hope to see. Hope Nazr is up to playing serious minutes tonight.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

If Mcinnis does play, who backs him up?

[BIGCatBobcat]

hmm, do you think tiny boykins has gotten a phone call today? scary thoughts tonight, no idea what's going to happen but we always tend to play the pistons well. Does anyone remember last year when they came to town and the PA announcer would say "whose ball is it?" to which the fans would respond "ugh bobcats?" anyway, good luck getting out of this one with no injuries fellas, go bobcats.

[dvdbumpus]

If Mcinnis does play, who backs him up?


DA or Matt would most likely handle point duties. I could also expect to see Dudley play point-forward.

[Edrow]

I feel bad that we have to play the Pistons after last night's tearjerker.

That being said, let's freaking beat those bastards!

-Edrow

[davcbow]

Talk about running out of gas in mid stride......geeze we are spread so thin tonight, I hope Detroit comes out not taking us seriously and we kick their butts.....Hey anything is possible, remember the last Boston game..... :g:

[dvdbumpus]

Looks like Matt is taking the PG role, moving J-rich over to the 2 and Wallace to the 3. Dudley comes in and is playing PF, with Oak at the 5.


I hope Matt can distribute well, because he's never had more than 5 assists in his pro career.

P.S. Dudley, please just focus on rebounding and being our intangibles guy. Don't try to do too much man! We need you to play your strengths.

[ALong13]

Started good, but now down 15-9...and the stream has no sound...this sucks...Get back soon Ray...

[MattD]

defense terrible, offense terrible we may be in for a rough night guys... ray holds this team together, whether or not we realize it... unless Jrich gets scorching well... nothing can be said until the games over.

Jrich looks badass in a headband

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Wallace is our point guard it seems.

[Melanie]

Yay, I kept refreshing the channelsurfing page and clicking the link and I'm getting sound now!

This game will be interesting.......

[ALong13]

Down by 14 already..this is sad...we need Raymond...I'm sure someone's already said it but he does keep our team together, we can't even hang onto the ball tonight...

[ALong13]

Wild line up

Carroll
Dudley
Jermareo Davidson
Ryan Hollins
Nazr Muhammad



SICK BLOCK BY HOLLINS!
Nice layup by Dudley
Three by Richardson
Roll in by Richardson

31-25...Still Hollins' block was sick nasty...

[Dead_Real]

Cats starting to make a little run great to see.

[Dead_Real]

Hollins with two sick blocks tonight the last one was very Crash like.

[ALong13]

Pistons are back on a 7-2 run after putting their starters back in...Also send out my condolences to Phil Ford...they just mentioned that he was out because his mother died...

[Dead_Real]

LOL at that waive to the fans from Fabio.

[ALong13]

Herrmann is in...I hope he goes 1-5....I love Herrmann...but he's playing against us now..

[ALong13]

Carroll....three point play...nice..

[Dead_Real]

Technical on Billups :)

Emeka is active always great to see.

[ALong13]

Mek with 8 points is nice to see and all the blocks by the PF & centers is nice....Down by 4 now...

[davcbow]

51-47 at the half, I never would have thought it would be this close as thin as we are spread tonight..... :D

[Dead_Real]

Only down by 4 with the point guard shortcomings going into this game? I'm quite impressed we showed a lot of heart to continue to make runs in the 2nd quarter after being down 14. J-Rich or Crash need to come up HUGE in the next half for us to get the W.

[MattD]

nah dudley and hes playing well, were down four, playing well, we can do this!

[spectre]

You have to applaud these guys only being down 4 at the half.

Eaton, well said!

[Dead_Real]

Sick block by Crash.

[Dead_Real]

You wouldn't think we are just coming off a double OT game last night with the way we are playing.

Emeka with 17 or 18 points long over due great game for him.

[davcbow]

Up by 1 pt, wow! playing their butts off......

Go Bobcats!!!!!

[davcbow]

Look out Nazr, Primoz just came in!!!!!

[dvdbumpus]

Look out Nazr, Primoz just came in!!!!!


Oh no! THE FURY!!!!!

[Dead_Real]

^Two fouls in two minutes for him LMAO

Emeka and Nazr need to be on the floor together more often in the near future.

[Melanie]

We'd be winning this game if we could hit some free throws!

[davcbow]

OMG Primoz scores...... ???

[Dead_Real]

Crash pinned that shit to the backboard lol.

[Melanie]

Dang, 3 point play by Primoz! Gotta be the highlight of his season! :D

[davcbow]

83-82 up by 1 5:30 left in game...... :g:

[dvdbumpus]

One stat that sticks to me:

Crash: 6 3 pt attempts
Matt: No 3 pt attempts

WTF?

[Dead_Real]

Huge shot by Crash.

[davcbow]

89-84 3:21 left up by 5

[Dead_Real]

Holy shit that was close who do yall think gets the last shot? I'm thinking J-Rich

[Melanie]

Come on!!! Let's score!!!


One plus if it goes into overtime..... both Rasheed and McDyess have 5 fouls......

[Dead_Real]

Damn they called timeout no Ray Allen or David lee please.

[dvdbumpus]

come in to the chat room!

P.S. where was J-rich for that shot?

[Melanie]

Thank God he missed that shot! We almost lost it there!

[davcbow]

Here we go again..... :g:

[Wallace15]

OVERTIME!!!!!



again.

[Dead_Real]

Crash = all star

[Melanie]

There's one gone, now let's get Rasheed to foul out too!

[Dead_Real]

Nazr's loves that jumper from the free throw line.

[davcbow]

Geeze are there any doctors in da house? LOL

[dvdbumpus]

STOP SHOOTING 3'S CRASH!! GIVE THE DAMN BALL TO SOMEONE THAT CAN MAKE THEM!!!!!

[Melanie]

Now we HAVE TO SCORE!!! Come on guys! Don't let this one get away too!

[dvdbumpus]

my guess: Crash ISO and he'll drive the lane to the right and attempt to draw contact while making the shot.

[davcbow]

Somebody make this shot!!!!!!!!



Go Bobcats!!!!!!!!!

[Dead_Real]

Horrible call.

[dvdbumpus]

un freakin believable.

[davcbow]

Weve been screwed by the refs again... :g:

[davcbow]

We might as now realize we wont get a break this year against a elite team.... :g:

[ohara831]

I'm sorry. I've looked at the replay 10 times, and I think it was correct. I hate it, but it was the correct call.

We played a hell of a game short and off a double OT loss. We lost, but I am intensely proud of the Cats!

[Wallace15]

Great, 2 overtime losses in 2 nights.

[Melanie]

This freakin sucks!

We could have won both of these games!

[WarioVsMooChicken]

...It's hard playing 5 on 8.

[MattD]

I'm sorry. I've looked at the replay 10 times, and I think it was correct. I hate it, but it was the correct call.

We played a hell of a game short and off a double OT loss. We lost, but I am intensely proud of the Cats!


no way... if he touches the ball before it is in the cylinder then it is not offensive interference, he touched it before...

the headline in the observer should read, "Fucked by the Refs Again, Two Overtime Losses in Two Nights" why do we get no respect from the refs ever... remember the Rockets game? Home team! Give us a call, you give everyone else the calls! DAMNIT

[spectre]

I'm sorry. I've looked at the replay 10 times, and I think it was correct. I hate it, but it was the correct call.

We played a hell of a game short and off a double OT loss. We lost, but I am intensely proud of the Cats!


no way... if he touches the ball before it is in the cylinder then it is not offensive interference, he touched it before...

the headline in the observer should read, "Fucked by the Refs Again, Two Overtime Losses in Two Nights" why do we get no respect from the refs ever... remember the Rockets game? Home team! Give us a call, you give everyone else the calls! DAMNIT


Absolutely...it's in the CYLINDER, not the rim to be goal tending. Amazing that we hit 2 games in 2 nights and get screwed 2 times in plays that would have decided the game.

Ugh. Really sucks...the guys deserved this win.

[Keetch]

I don't care. This was a historic game for the Bobcats. Never have I seen this team play with so much movement and tenacity.

A landmark game for Gerald Wallace. How about Okafor and Mohammed? Think about the feats little Matt Carroll achieved.

What a great team.

It's funny but the injuries actually worked in the Cats favor; forcing our coach to play our best players and putting the ball in their hands at all times. Phenomenal game.

I've believed for a long time this season that we were actually a MUCH better team when we go big; contrary to all the smallness...I feel vindicated :P

[Mustachio]

fuck the refs.... again.

the thing is... it kills us. if detroit loses they are still goin to the playoffs.

it kills us. absolute garbage.

[Keetch]

I'm so proud of the team that I just really don't care. It's so exciting to see us COMPETE on this level; it's just so invigorating!

Really Crashes drive in the last minute when the ref called a foul on McDyess (which fouled him out) was a very clear charge. I was thinking WOW Wallace got a star call!

So it all goes around, and yup I do think the final call was bad; but whatever.

Still. The Bobcats are evolving into a monster. That is until Sam gets his little point guards back.

[Edrow]

I'm proud that they at least tried their asses off. I'd rather seem em go down fighting then to just lay down. They've earned my respect for the month of January, that's for sure.

Here's to the Bobcats!

-Edrow

[davcbow]

Im upset with the bad call, but Im proud of our guys, they played their asses off.... :g:

[dnbman]

The game was pretty intense.

We definitely with amazing hard and intensity, though that's not to confuse intensity with focus. We made a lot of silly mistakes in the first half.

Our offense was sputtering all night. While we scored a fair amount, it was due more to sheer energy than any semblance of an offense. At times we looked completely clueless.

Our hustle and energy was great though, allowing us to keep the Pistons from getting into any kind of groove.

I think Felton would have gotten us the win if we would have played with this much heart and had a proper floor general.

We're definitely waking up from whatever funk we've been in. I just hope we don't fall back asleep.

[CMc$]

I was there. It was great. The crowd was unbelievable. The final call was so bad that it has to rank in my top 3 "angry at the ref moments" ever. I would have assaulted him if I were face to face with him.

I want to write some tomorrow when I collect my thoughts. It was deflating to witness it in person. I'm glad Coach V spoke up against that BS call.

In the ref's shoes, you do not call a "grey area" violation when the game hangs in the balance. It has to be irrefutable. If the average person doesn't see it, then don't call it if the game hangs in the balance.

Go Bobcats, you had 8 players in uniform, played your hearts out, and got screwed by the refs. My hats off to the boys tonight.

[MattD]

BREAKING NEWS DUNADUNA Bobcats Coach Sammy "Radio" (He didnt do to bad tonight guys) Vincent, says,
"I'm sure we're going to contact the league... We'd like to do what Miami did and play the last minute over again, also. I believe it would be justified."

Unfortunatly I dont see that happening, as that was a scoring error rather then a ref error, its damn upsetting, to be killed by the refs two nights in a row... goddamnit! Good for Vincent, upon review everyone acknowledged it was legal... more reason for the NBA to use instant replay on game breakers like this...

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Gerald Wallace, Matt Carrol, and Dudley looked like decent PGs surprisingly.

[Fromage]

just finished watching it. i can't believe these 2 games.
whoever said "invigorating" was right. like 2 NCAA games.

that call was a crock of shit. those refs f'n sucked. period.
nba officiating is so damn bad it isn't even worth discussing.
nothing new in that department.

soo proud of our team. time to start playing like this against everyboy, and maybe turn our record around in the proces.

go bobcats.

[davcbow]

I agree these last 2 games showed me that the Bobcats can now stand up to anybody (except the crappy refs), get some depth back on the bench and we will start winning these big games against the leagues elite before overtime ..... :g:

[Muttley]

PG - Gerald
SG - Matt
SF - JRich
PF - Jared
C - Okafor
...with Nazr coming in to rest Oak or Jared, whoever is sucking wind first.

Really, though, it's better than playing a McInnis who's left than 100%.


... just saying.


I was at the game last night. Unbelievable, as you all know. I didn't have a good line at all on that craptastic call at the end. I was on "Nazr's" side of the basket and thought they called it on him. At the time, I thought that was a terrible call. Now, I find out it was Okafor. I didn't get a good look at it from his side, but there are lots of folks on this board that know what they're talking about, and so I trust it was a ridiculous call. My point is to really echo CMc$.

I thought it was policy to not make "game deciding" calls unless they are crystal freaking clear. There's no way those refs should have called that. Real happy to see Radio step up for the team. He got a tech earlier in the game too. I love to see that. The players need to know that he's there to protect and support them when they're out there giving it their all.

Which brings me to another point. Watching the game last night, no more excuses for these guys. Playing the night after a double overtime loss, without a point guard (at least according to our depth chart), with only 8 available players (2 rookies and a second-year player included), playing against an excellent Pistons team (who I think will have a great shot at the championship this year), playing into overtime and we lose by 3 Freaking Points because of a bad call from the refs? They played with so much intensity last night. I was pleased. I don't really even care that we lost, kinda. From now on, win or lose, I expect them to play like a TEAM from here on out. These guys are phenomenal. I love the Bobcats. I can't wait to watch the Nuggets game. We play with as much intensity every night and good things will happen.

Keetch called this game historic. He's right on. I just get the feeling that the team became one cohesive unit over the last four games right in front of our eyes and even Sam Vincent (who is earning more than just a reprieve for standing up for his guys) is a part of it. I'm just really proud of the way they played. The scoring was well distributed (without a PG). Jason Richardson with 8 assists? Awesome.

Keep it up.

[Edrow]

Agreed agreed agreed to all of the above. I think Radio has earned himself a new nickname. Anybody got any ideas? He's not "Remember the Titans yet", but I think he earned a new name.



-Edrow

[tamburello]

I'm very pissed to see us losing two games in a row in OT's, but the way we play was very encouraging.. unfortunately not for this season but for next season.

The contraversial call could be in favor of us. It looks like the ball would kiss the rim, but it's definitely not in the cylinder.

I'm proud of em.

[Dead_Real]

Speaking of the crowd it was crazy how many Pistons fans were in Charlotte last night. After every made shot by them I heard loud cheers in the building anyone else notice this people watching at home or who attended the game?

[davcbow]

Agreed agreed agreed to all of the above. I think Radio has earned himself a new nickname. Anybody got any ideas? He's not "Remember the Titans yet", but I think he earned a new name.



-Edrow


Call him "RV" (Radio Vincent) no cut down, its admiration.... Keep up the good work RV

Go Bobcats!!!!!!

[twebb]

I dont have the numbers in front of me but it feels like vincent really fired the team up with his tech. Hes usually quiet so it was good to see his reaction.

[CMc$]

Speaking of the crowd it was crazy how many Pistons fans were in Charlotte last night. After every made shot by them I heard loud cheers in the building anyone else notice this people watching at home or who attended the game?


I'd say half of the really hardcore basketball fans in the arena were Pistons fans. I've been to Pistons/Bobcats game before but the Detroit fans really turned out for this one. They were everywhere. I had no idea there were so many detroit fans in the carolinas.

There was this one tool who was giving everyone in pistons clothes and jerseys high fives after the game was over this was in the arena halls so he probably gave hundreds of high fives.

And I'm thinking to myself "is this really high five material?" I mean: you just beat a team with a losing record, who had no point guards, who only dressed 8 players, by 3 points, in overtime, and only because the ref screwed the Bobctats.

He should have been thankful, not boisterous.

[CMc$]

Agreed agreed agreed to all of the above. I think Radio has earned himself a new nickname. Anybody got any ideas? He's not "Remember the Titans yet", but I think he earned a new name.



-Edrow


Call him "RV" (Radio Vincent) no cut down, its admiration.... Keep up the good work RV

Go Bobcats!!!!!!


I have to say that his coaching has improved, however, he is still coaching pretty poorly from a coaching standpoint. I think he is improving as a motivator.

I'm not sure if he was actually drawing up plays and the boys were not able to come through with them, but how many times did the shot clock expire, or almost expire with G-Force (I'm going with the fake nick thank you) airballing a three or getting his three blocked, or taking a really ugly looking 3 pointer. When you have that many shot clock violations/almost violations it's a good chance it's bad coaching.

Also, his starting lineup was pretty poor. It wasn't until later in the game, after Oak and Nazr got substantial playing time, sometimes together, that this game became winnable. At least in my opinion. At least he was good enough to switch up the lineup after we started getting clobbered.

[ohara831]

I'm very pissed to see us losing two games in a row in OT's, but the way we play was very encouraging.. unfortunately not for this season but for next season.

The contraversial call could be in favor of us. It looks like the ball would kiss the rim, but it's definitely not in the cylinder.

I'm proud of em.
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Tamburello: That was my point earlier. I thought the call was correct. The ball was coming down and looked like it was going to barely reach the rim. That is correctly called. If it had NO chance of hitting the rim, then the call would have been incorrect. That is from my discussion with 2 ACC refs. As much as it hurts, the call was likely correct.

[TheBeagle]

Keetch called this game historic. He's right on. I just get the feeling that the team became one cohesive unit over the last four games right in front of our eyes and even Sam Vincent (who is earning more than just a reprieve for standing up for his guys) is a part of it. I'm just really proud of the way they played. The scoring was well distributed (without a PG). Jason Richardson with 8 assists? Awesome.

Keep it up.
I was at work last night, so I only saw the score before I went to bed to wake back up at 4:30am to go back to work to get some things done. My thoughts were as follows:

Consecutive OT+ losses against playoff teams. Two chances to show that we have "it" and we blew it as always and seemingly forevermore. A playoff team wins these games, or at least one of them. Instead the other team has "it" and always wins against us in these situations. We have to be the most masochistic fan base this side of the Chicago Cubs for suffering for games like these over and over and over and over; predicting the outcome of the game before it happens, hoping you're wrong, but always proven correctly: we just can't win these games, and we can't put any kind of streak together.

After viewing the boxscore and reading a write-up of the game, I see that Matt Carroll killed us again from the FT line. 2-4 against the Cavs, with even 3-4 being enough to win the game for us. 2-5 against the Pistons?!??! WTF, Matt!!!! We should be going absolutely nuts talking about a 4 game win streak against 4 playoff teams, and putting ourselves in position to make a realistic playoff push, but god forbid our best FT shooter can't do any better than 50% from the line in 2 games. This, I'm sure, isn't the only reason for the loss, but it's inexcusable! We don't ask for much from Matt; make 88% or so from the line, shoot the 3s, play respectable D. It just seems pointless.

Despite what has been said, there are no moral victories in my book: a loss= a loss; it's very black and white. Until the league uses a point scale like NHL, and we get 2 pts for a win, and 1 pt for a moral victory, a 30pt loss is the same as a 1 pt last second shot loss (i.e. the Suns game was the same end result as the first Celtics game), only the close losses are more frustrating, and seem to further destroy the confidence of the team. My reasoning for this conclusion is that they never ever answer these losses with wins or even A win. It sort of starts them on a downward spiral, and I see it coming again, and I know it will come again, much as I hope it won't. Until we can learn to close out games, we have NO HOPE. NONE.

That said, given the rave reviews of y'all, I'll watch the game sometime and see if there were any visible signs that show that this is indeed a team that is learning and changing into something other that what we've always known. A win against the Nuggets would go a long way, so here's hoping....

[Muttley]

I understand Beagle. At a certain point, losing just isn't fun to watch no matter how well we played. Really, I'm just trying to continue to see hope for the future (as we have been doing for years now - I realize). The Pistons game showed me that we still have the good pieces I thought we had back in November. Then December came and we sucked bad (on the golfball-through-a-garden hose scale). The last two games showed me we're still watchable and maybe we won't just bend over for teams when the going gets tough. I ultimately want to enjoy watching the Bobcats. That's why I follow them - it's entertaining. That said, no one will disagree that winning is a hell of a lot more fun than losing. Even if the losses are somewhat entertaining. But, I don't make personnel decisions and I sure don't play basketball, so I'm not sure what I can do about losses except try to see the brightside of a team that I'm not going to stop cheering for anytime soon. I saw a lot of bright side Saturday.

Now, let's beat the ever-lovin' $#!+ out of the Nuggets.