I've added a new poll

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I've added a new poll to the homepage, blog and forum since those are the 3 busiest areas of the site.
My poll question is this:
Who should be the starting PG of the Charlotte Bobcats, Jeff, Earl or Ray?

I know that we can add these polls to our forum threads, but only members are able to vote. I'm interested to see how many voters we get on this type of poll since visitors will be allowed to vote also. There have been several voters already since I put it up a couple of hours ago. Oddly no votes for Jeff yet :g:

This particular poll will also serve as a sanity check for me. If we get < 2% saying Jeff should be the starter, then it verifies what my eyes are seeing and I know that I'm not going crazy.

Also, if you have any other poll ideas, let me know. :afro:

[ohara831]

Ziggy: Your poll allows someone to vote more than once. The results will be skewed.

Nope. My bad. It looks like you can vote more than once, but it is not counting the vote more than once. Never mind.

[MattD]

I dont like the results I am seeing. I have to agree Ray has been better on assists and scoring off the ball, except those beautiful drives (ooo). Boykins all the way.

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I dont like the results I am seeing. I have to agree Ray has been better on assists and scoring off the ball, except those beautiful drives (ooo). Boykins all the way.

Matt, Were you expecting a bigger push for Earl?

[dvdbumpus]

I love how there are 39 votes, and not one person has voted for Jeff...yet somehow he is our starter.

I don't want Earl because he is a liability and is best served as energy off the bench.

[EvetsMorrison15]

I hate to act like a villain but I voted for McInnis.

Because of timing. If we were to make the votes based on the current situation I say McInnis. Boykins is going to take a few games to get into our system. I don't think he's ready to come off missing training camp, team built chemistry, and half of the season to come back to start. Teams are going to start to sprint for the finish. Finish being the Playoffs. Plus his energy is much needed off the bench.

Also, Felton is battling injury. I think he's been trying too hard this year to make an impression and he's been beating himself up. But with the schedule getting bad with all the Road games and West Coast games coming up he needs to hold back a little bit until his ankle is 100%

McInnis on the season starting: He's been awful when he performs. But with him on the floor it forces the other 4 guys to look to get open shots.

My best friend is a Ball Boy for the Magic and he says that McInnis is very vocal out there. He's constantly yelling to the young guys at the Bobcats last 2 visits to Orlando. He also yelled at the ref telling him to call carrying on Arroyo. Which I thought was really funny but still.

Sam must see him as a play setter, passer and vocal leader. It's not like he's got an Ugly contract or injury prone. He's not THE BEST! But he's not the worst. Just unpopular.

Hell, maybe there is a AWESOME reason why he's out there. Don't blame Sam though.

remember who's the President of Basketball Operations for the Cats. :g:

[ohara831]

I hate to act like a villain but I voted for McInnis.

Because of timing. If we were to make the votes based on the current situation I say McInnis. Boykins is going to take a few games to get into our system. I don't think he's ready to come off missing training camp, team built chemistry, and half of the season to come back to start. Teams are going to start to sprint for the finish. Finish being the Playoffs. Plus his energy is much needed off the bench.

Also, Felton is battling injury. I think he's been trying too hard this year to make an impression and he's been beating himself up. But with the schedule getting bad with all the Road games and West Coast games coming up he needs to hold back a little bit until his ankle is 100%

McInnis on the season starting: He's been awful when he performs. But with him on the floor it forces the other 4 guys to look to get open shots.

My best friend is a Ball Boy for the Magic and he says that McInnis is very vocal out there. He's constantly yelling to the young guys at the Bobcats last 2 visits to Orlando. He also yelled at the ref telling him to call carrying on Arroyo. Which I thought was really funny but still.

Sam must see him as a play setter, passer and vocal leader. It's not like he's got an Ugly contract or injury prone. He's not THE BEST! But he's not the worst. Just unpopular.

Hell, maybe there is a AWESOME reason why he's out there. Don't blame Sam though.

remember who's the President of Basketball Operations for the Cats. :g:
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That was very insightful. Thanks for the inside information. I did not vote for Jeff, but that may explain some of why Sam plays Jeff more than was understood. Thanks!

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I see no Matt Carrol option. I understand you forgeting to include him (even though he's the most obvious choice) so lets fix this mistake as soon as possible.

[MattD]

I hate to act like a villain but I voted for McInnis.

Because of timing. If we were to make the votes based on the current situation I say McInnis. Boykins is going to take a few games to get into our system. I don't think he's ready to come off missing training camp, team built chemistry, and half of the season to come back to start. Teams are going to start to sprint for the finish. Finish being the Playoffs. Plus his energy is much needed off the bench.

Also, Felton is battling injury. I think he's been trying too hard this year to make an impression and he's been beating himself up. But with the schedule getting bad with all the Road games and West Coast games coming up he needs to hold back a little bit until his ankle is 100%

McInnis on the season starting: He's been awful when he performs. But with him on the floor it forces the other 4 guys to look to get open shots.

My best friend is a Ball Boy for the Magic and he says that McInnis is very vocal out there. He's constantly yelling to the young guys at the Bobcats last 2 visits to Orlando. He also yelled at the ref telling him to call carrying on Arroyo. Which I thought was really funny but still.

Sam must see him as a play setter, passer and vocal leader. It's not like he's got an Ugly contract or injury prone. He's not THE BEST! But he's not the worst. Just unpopular.

Hell, maybe there is a AWESOME reason why he's out there. Don't blame Sam though.

remember who's the President of Basketball Operations for the Cats. :g:



I can tell you, not to come off like an ass, but I sit on the floor for a lot of bobcats games. I hear McInnis talking, and he really isnt saying to much. He is shouting out the play and then when people arent open off the play that they consistently run, called, "one" then he yells at them to move. He dribbles way to much, makes bad decisions, cannot shoot, and is not that great of the passer. Let Boykins get a chance, he will be better then Jeff or Ray. Put Ray at the 2, its where he thrives. He gets tons of assists and points. Its a win win. Boykins has been passing very very well.

[EvetsMorrison15]

do you hear Jeff talking to players after plays? Maybe there's more to it than that. We may never know. But my vote is there as of NOW. Maybe in a few games Earl will get into sync and move to the starting spot. We will see.

[MattD]

I most defiantly dont here him in the huddle or in the locker room. I noticed when he went down the bench emptied to see if he was alright. He is definatly a leader, I just dont think he needs to start.

[Alex]

WHO VOTED FOR MCGINNIS!?

[dvdbumpus]

Let Boykins get a chance, he will be better then Jeff or Ray. Put Ray at the 2, its where he thrives. He gets tons of assists and points. Its a win win. Boykins has been passing very very well.


Six assists, 5 turnovers and 2 of 15 shots made...I know he will get better but no way has he been playing well to earn a starting spot over a lottery pick that's doing better playing the 2 then Boykins could at PG.

Felton at the PG spot. Dudley played well to deserve a shot at the 3, even some time at the 2 or 4.

Boykins needs to be the backup. The Ben Gordon'esque spark off the bench. He would be best utilized there while minimizing his lack of a defense.

[twebb]

No way boykins should start, Felton has the skills and the ability to lead the team at the 1. Why would anyone think Mcginnis should be on the team, let alone start. He must have voted for himself instead of preparing for PHX

[Dead_Real]

After reading Bonnell's latest blog I'm pretty sure Vincent is going to let Ray sink or swim at the 1 spot for the rest of the year. I'm hoping he gives Felton 30+ minutes at the point and lets see if he's really our future at the point.

[dvdbumpus]

After reading Bonnell's latest blog I'm pretty sure Vincent is going to let Ray sink or swim at the 1 spot for the rest of the year. I'm hoping he gives Felton 30+ minutes at the point and lets see if he's really our future at the point.


Why does this happen seemingly every year?

[Dead_Real]

After reading Bonnell's latest blog I'm pretty sure Vincent is going to let Ray sink or swim at the 1 spot for the rest of the year. I'm hoping he gives Felton 30+ minutes at the point and lets see if he's really our future at the point.


Why does this happen seemingly every year?

I have no idea Bumpus both coaches we have had just don't want to give Felts the keys for some reason.

[ohara831]

I'll tell you why. If he sinks, the PG position will be the one we address in the Draft. Depending upon where we pick, it would be either Rose, Bayless or Augustin. If Ray cannot begin to flourish, it would not surprise me to see us put him on the trading block before the trade deadline to get a high draft pick or PF. I am not sure if they will hold him to be a 6th who can play the Combo Guard, although they might. He may not be a quality started, but he'd be a hell of a backup.
**Dont be surprised if we do something with Phoenix as they want someone to groom to take over for Nash. He is in the last couple yrs in Phoenix.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Like I said in the Bench McInnis thread last week, Hollinger on ESPN.com had him 6th from last overall last year, and 77th among PGs this year. He's just useless, he doesn't piss me off like he used to but he offers nothing in the way of production on the court. I dont know if he is vocal or not but I don't imagine him saying anything more than you or I would, it's not like he's exceptional in any way.

[MattD]

I'll tell you why. If he sinks, the PG position will be the one we address in the Draft. Depending upon where we pick, it would be either Rose, Bayless or Augustin. If Ray cannot begin to flourish, it would not surprise me to see us put him on the trading block before the trade deadline to get a high draft pick or PF. I am not sure if they will hold him to be a 6th who can play the Combo Guard, although they might. He may not be a quality started, but he'd be a hell of a backup.
**Dont be surprised if we do something with Phoenix as they want someone to groom to take over for Nash. He is in the last couple yrs in Phoenix.




yeah i could kinda see that. I think the reason they havent let him play sole pg is because he really is better off the ball. He gets more assists and more points. However his field goal percentage is so awful he cannot be a sg in the nba. Kinda a player that doesnt really fit. Phoenix, if anyone, could make him be a good pg. We however cannot seem to. We will see how this leads us.

As much as I love Bayless I think drafting him would be putting ourselves in the same position. Bayless is superfast, a terrific driver, and has great handles, but his court vision is ehhh. His shooting is not bad but not reliable. Sound familiar?

[ohara831]

MattD: It kinda sounds like Ray, doesn't it. I see your point. If we could not get Rose, I think I would rather take the kid out of Texas, Augustin. That is if we are picking somewhere in the 10-13 range. If higher than that, I say go for the best player available. It will be someone who can score. I'd jump on OJ Mayo at 8th pick or later. He has some attitude, but maybe we need someone like that. Someone who will kick his teamate in the ass to get him going if his teamate is slacking off. Remember, Jordan was a hardass on his Bulls teamates, to the point of sometimes pushing them around physically. Some leaders are like that, like General Patton smacking that guy who had PTSD b/4 we knew much about PTSD. I'm not advocating some who will beat up his teamates; just someone who will be tough on them and push them to their limits.

Modified: Hey, wait a minute MattD. On the NBA Draft Thread for nbanet.com, on January 23, 2008, you had a post praising the almighty fire out of Jarryd Bayless. You were talking of him as a starter for the Bobcats. What has cooled that flame in the past 10 days? He still has some pretty great numbers, and he is only a FR. He's learing the PG at that level at a faster rate than Ray did for Carolina. Still, the comparison does raise some eyebrows.

[MattD]

MattD: It kinda sounds like Ray, doesn't it. I see your point. If we could not get Rose, I think I would rather take the kid out of Texas, Augustin. That is if we are picking somewhere in the 10-13 range. If higher than that, I say go for the best player available. It will be someone who can score. I'd jump on OJ Mayo at 8th pick or later. He has some attitude, but maybe we need someone like that. Someone who will kick his teamate in the ass to get him going if his teamate is slacking off. Remember, Jordan was a hardass on his Bulls teamates, to the point of sometimes pushing them around physically. Some leaders are like that, like General Patton smacking that guy who had PTSD b/4 we knew much about PTSD. I'm not advocating some who will beat up his teamates; just someone who will be tough on them and push them to their limits.


yep I meant Ray. But on the flip side look at tony parker. Thats a risk, I would not be willing to take it at this point in our franchises development. I would pick up OJ too or Augustine. Different type players but both could fit in, we just need a definitive type player not a kinda this kinda that like Ray.

As far as finding a hardass, that is difficult to discover as a rookie, but the combination of work ethic and talent are essential. NBA superstars are the ones who put in the most work. Its just that simple. You have to want to be the best, have the most drive, come to practice an hour early and leave an hour late. Thats how I would draft a player.

[twebb]

I dont think mayo would be a good choice there. We could trade down a few spots and maybe pick up a big, as well as augustin who showed he could shoulder a texas squad who lost their star (durant)

[MattD]

Modified: Hey, wait a minute MattD. On the NBA Draft Thread on January 23, 2008, you had a post praising the almighty fire out of Jarryd Bayless. You were talking of him as a starter for the Bobcats. What has cooled that flame in the past 10 days? He still has some pretty great numbers, and he is only a FR. He's learing the PG at that level at a faster rate than Ray did for Carolina. Still, the comparison does raise some eyebrows.


Yep, and I know I did, but the more I think about these bobcats that we have the more I think conservative picking may be the best. Granted dwight Howard and bynum turned out to be great but I dont want another player who is not a true player of his position. At first I was dreaming about bayless but we've got a more mature version for us already in ray. Hes great but akward. I want either a true scoring I'd a true passing pg but no more decent at everything if you know what I mean. A solid pg and a solid center can make a team. We need more solid players, though ray did look very nucelast night. My earlier comments were just jumping the gun without too much thought.

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The results of the poll showed that we here at BobcatsPlanet were not crazy.
PG Votes %
Raymond Felton 77 84%
Earl Boykins 12 13%
Jeff McInnis 3 3%


I think that you'll love the new poll. The Question is:
Are you pleased with the job that Sam Vincent is doing as Bobcats head coach?

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Do you expect anyone to say yes?

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Do you expect anyone to say yes?

Maybe Sam's Mom?

[davcbow]

I say YES to "Fine Ham Biscuits"... :g:

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So far we have 25 Nos and 1 Yes.
If the 1 Yes watched tonight's game, then I'm sure that they would have changed their vote to No.

[Muttley]

Do you expect anyone to say yes?

Maybe Sam's Mom?

Mrs. Ham Biscuit?

[davcbow]

1 of his kids, they wouldnt know any better...... :g:

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I wanted to give an update on how the poll was going so far.
Apparently there are 9 people in America that are satisfied with the job that Sam Vincent is doing. Unfortunately for Sam thats only 9 out 124 votes so far, for a sterling 7% approval rating.

[davcbow]

I think its the same person 9 times..... :biggrin: