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ziggy
02-28-2008, 11:04 PM
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How good is this kid? Is he good enough to displace Ray as our PG of the future? Is he good enough to pass on a big man like Hibbert or even Beasley. Is he the next great PG or is he just the next college superstar to become an ordinary pro.
Tell me what you think about him.
Granted this is one highlight, but we need a guard who will distribute to Crash, J and the bigs not take shots from them. He looks like a less springy version of J.
davcbow
02-29-2008, 10:38 AM
I personally would love a PG that can distribute the ball or score himself when he has too. This Rose kid can score alot too but would his defence be there? This video clip is college but you can tell the potentual is there. :g:
Muttley
02-29-2008, 11:26 AM
I cuncur, we need a distributer of a PG. Any assist high-light clips?
spectre
02-29-2008, 11:36 AM
I cuncur, we need a distributer of a PG. Any assist high-light clips?
I think that's going to be harder to come by than most people think. If you look around the league most of the "pass first" guys are usually limited in other areas; there's only a small handful of the exceptional ones and they're hard to come by.
Still, if someone like Rose or Mayo can be more reliable in scoring that would still be an upgrade to what we have.
Dead_Real
02-29-2008, 11:55 AM
I see a lot of Wade's game in his game more so than the Kidd comparison I've been hearing I think he'll be a great 2 guard on the next level.
ohara831
02-29-2008, 07:09 PM
The experts say he is going to be a slightly better version of CP3. Now that is saying alot, and may be expecting too much. But he will be better for us than Ray by the end of yr 1.
That said, if we have the #1 pick, we'll be taking Beasley. Ray can suffice at PG, but we don't have a #4 who can come close to cleaning the dog poop off of Beasley's shoes.
ziggy
03-01-2008, 06:13 AM
The experts say he is going to be a slightly better version of CP3. Now that is saying alot, and may be expecting too much. But he will be better for us than Ray by the end of yr 1.
Better than CP3? Lord have mercy.
Dead_Real
03-01-2008, 08:36 AM
Rose will have to work on his jumper like Paul did if he expects to be in his league that's probably his biggest weakness right now.
Rose is NOTHING like Paul.
ohara831
03-01-2008, 01:11 PM
Rose is NOTHING like Paul.
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Yet. But remember, CP3 has about 4 yrs on him. I'm just telling you what a lot of the experts are opining; not saying it is the gospel.
Paul was largely the same player in college as he is now. He is a rare blend of pass first but has a nose for scoring. I see Rose as a 76's Iverson or just plain 2 guard. Of which I think J-rich will be better for our future. We are at the point where we need the majority of our players as vet contributors not rookie prospects. Consider this, do we want FHB developing a top 5 draft pick at point guard or a 4 or 5?
Rose is more likt Baron Davis meets Dwayne Wade.
He's not a thing like Chris Paul now and wont ever be.
dav7z
03-05-2008, 05:12 PM
I agree with Slam about Rose. But even with the 2nd or 3rd pick i don't think i would still take him . Our need is at P/F or center So i would try and trade down and try to land a good big and a decent p/g . Somthing like a Hibbert or a Thabet not spelled right. and a Lawson late first.
Rose with zero assists tonight in 36 mins pf play.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore;_ylt=AuizCr5.vkkYanjqmtdt.tDevbYF?gid=200 803050515
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Dead_Real
03-06-2008, 01:08 PM
I agree with Slam about Rose. But even with the 2nd or 3rd pick i don't think i would still take him . Our need is at P/F or center So i would try and trade down and try to land a good big and a decent p/g . Somthing like a Hibbert or a Thabet not spelled right. and a Lawson late first.
To each it's own but I think he has WAY to much potential to pass up on not to mention if we did take Rose, I'd love to see a little friendly competition between him and Felts let them battle it out which would bring out the best in both man.
Comparison: Wade (explosiveness) meets Billips (pg play)
Best fit: Bobcats ( :biggrin:), Sonics, Knicks
dvdbumpus
03-30-2008, 11:27 PM
Comparison: Wade (explosiveness) meets Billips (pg play)
Best fit: Bobcats ( :biggrin:), Sonics, Knicks
Billups, maybe even a bit of Kidd in him because he's a good rebounder and very good at getting his team involved.
Let me be the first to say that after watching the game against Texas, that Rose is the real deal and will be a definite all star. If there was any way to trade up to get him, I would. Any other year he'd be #1....if they win the championship I'd even consider him over Beasley.
ohara831
03-31-2008, 09:10 AM
Talk about a test of ability. Let's see how he does against UCLA next weekend. Talk about some good Guard play that weekend - WOW! It's going to be fun. ALL the top PG's are playing.
Apart from the 1st five mins, I didn't get to see the Memphis Vs Texas game. I'll watch it later this week.
Of course, in the 1st five mins Rose had two really nice drives and finger rolls along with an athletic twisting drive and soared so high for two rebounds that I thought he was going to hit his head on the ceiling!!
He really seems to be coming into his own the longer the NCAA season lasts.
spectre
03-31-2008, 10:30 AM
Apart from the 1st five mins, I didn't get to see the Memphis Vs Texas game. I'll watch it later this week.
Of course, in the 1st five mins Rose had two really nice drives and finger rolls along with an athletic twisting drive and soared so high for two rebounds that I thought he was going to hit his head on the ceiling!!
He really seems to be coming into his own the longer the NCAA season lasts.
First time I've really seen him and I was certainly impressed. Sort of like a poor man's Flash with better handles?
First time I've really seen him and I was certainly impressed. Sort of like a poor man's Flash with better handles?
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Flash meets Billups IMO. Some people have beeing saying he's like Chris Paul or Jason Kidd - which I don't see at all. I guess they say Kidd because of the rebounds, but Kidd gets his from positioning and being smart. Rose gets his by being an athletic freak! The Paul thing really confuses me though!!
Just realized I haven't done my breakdown on him!! Will whip one up soon.
ohara831
03-31-2008, 05:40 PM
Just remember Rose is just a FR, and CP3 has a few years on him. When he gets a couple years of seasoning, I honestly think he will rival Paul as the best in the league.
When he gets a couple years of seasoning, I honestly think he will rival Paul as the best in the league.
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Maybe, who knows? But my point was that their playing styles are nothing alike.
dvdbumpus
03-31-2008, 09:12 PM
When he gets a couple years of seasoning, I honestly think he will rival Paul as the best in the league.
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Maybe, who knows? But my point was that their playing styles are nothing alike.
Very true. Rose plays like Wade with much better handle. Superstar!
ohara831
03-31-2008, 09:43 PM
I get your point, Slam. Very true.
Rose is a unique player. He's not pass first and he's not shoot first. If he wasn't such a breath taking athlete he'd be labelled as a tweener or a combo, but due to his size and skill set, he has a real opportunity to dominate his position in the NBA so a PG is what he will be.
He seems to play a little out of control at times (frantic even) but that might just be his style. Again, he's such an athelete that when he jumps in the air, he has the time to twist and turn and get himself out of trouble which looks frantic but might just be his style.
He has a very high dribble when running full court at top speed and I wonder if the Rondo's of the league are licking their lips at this knowing that he will be a sitting duck for steals? He'll need to tighten that up. After a shaky season where as the PG he had games that he only averaged 4 assists a game (and sometimes didn't get any at all) he's really coming into his own and running the Tigers during the Tourney. His stats sort of sneak up on you and before you know it he's got 20pts, 5 boards, 5 assists and a steal. That shows that he is good 4 qtr player and doesn't jsut breeze in and out of games.
He needs some maturity - which will no doubt come with time - but if he can bring it all together the sky is the limit. Which is also the limit with how high he can jump!!
Comparisons: Wade (explosiveness) meets Billips (pg play)
Best fit: Bobcats, Sonics, Knicks
The more I think about it, the more Rose reminds me of Devin Harris on two levels.
I think that Rose is a ways off from being a starting PG ini the NBA. I think he'll take the Devin Harris road. He'll come to the NBA with a bit of hype, gets given the starting PG job in his rookie season, disappoints by the quarter way point of the season, has the starting gig taken off him, plays a support role as a combo guard off the bench at the 1 and 2 for the next 2 or so years and then finds his own. If people think he's going to have a huge impact from day 1 in the NBA, I think they are mistaken.
He'll need some time to "get it" - just like Harris did.
Not only that, but their game styles, builds and skills are very alike.
ohara831
04-04-2008, 09:02 AM
Still, if we wound up with one of the first 2 picks, I'd be very very happy with either Rose or Beasley. When you get talent like that, you work to find a way to utilize it.
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Harris's - and I think that Rose has the potential to be Harris on steriods.
ohara831
04-04-2008, 09:46 PM
I'd settle for a slightly smaller Magic Johnson! Ha! Ha! I know, I'm attributing far too much to him. I'm just looking at his unique size with his scoring and distribution ability. If he would be a "poor man's Magic" he'd be an All-Star every yr and be the best PG in the league.
God, do you remember that 1979 season? Bird and Magic leading their teams to the Championship Game. Then, how they BOTH managed to not only live up to the hype of their ability, but actually surpass it in the NBA. Geesh, to see Rose and Beasley dominate the NBA for 15 yrs the way Bird and Magic did would be a real pleasure - like turning back the clock of time. Oh well, that time was special as it will likely never happen again. But, to imagine it could, that is fun!
ohara831
04-05-2008, 06:21 PM
You know, my favorite NFL player was Walter Payton. When your peers call you "Sweetness", you know you're good. That is what I see in this kid. For those watching the Final 4, it's hard to imagine this kid is just a FR. Look how smoothly he drives it to the hoop with a man on his hip. It's just "sweet".
ziggy
04-05-2008, 07:49 PM
God, do you remember that 1979 season? Bird and Magic leading their teams to the Championship Game. Then, how they BOTH managed to not only live up to the hype of their ability, but actually surpass it in the NBA. Geesh, to see Rose and Beasley dominate the NBA for 15 yrs the way Bird and Magic did would be a real pleasure - like turning back the clock of time. Oh well, that time was special as it will likely never happen again. But, to imagine it could, that is fun!
Basketball didn't get any better than those early Magic & Bird matchups.
If Rose could be 50% of what Magic was, then he easily would deserve to be the #1 pick.
Dead_Real
04-05-2008, 08:11 PM
Memphis just ran them out the building like I expected UNC better get the victory tonight since I want to see Memphis vs Carolina would be an exciting championship game.
ohara831
04-05-2008, 08:24 PM
He is just dominant. I would love to see a matchup of Lawson and Rose. Rose just dispatched a really good PG in Collison tonight. Whomever guarded him got in foul trouble. Lawson will be a little tougher matchup. If Kansas wins, I dont think their PG can hang with Rose anywhere near as well as Lawson.
dvdbumpus
04-05-2008, 09:25 PM
He is just dominant. I would love to see a matchup of Lawson and Rose. Rose just dispatched a really good PG in Collison tonight. Whomever guarded him got in foul trouble. Lawson will be a little tougher matchup. If Kansas wins, I dont think their PG can hang with Rose anywhere near as well as Lawson.
Rose already dominated Augustin in the Texas game....if he matched up against Lawson I'd say UNC would be in trouble.
ohara831
04-05-2008, 09:55 PM
From the looks of it, we dont have to worry about a Lawson vs Rose matchup. He's getting whipped by Kansas. What a major butt beating Kansas is handing out!
`Rose already dominated Augustin in the Texas game....if he matched up against Lawson I'd say UNC would be in trouble.
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Agreed Bumpus. I think that Collison and Westbrook would pose a much greater challenge to Rose than Lawson ever would.
Collison and Westbrook are both great defenders and considering Rose scored on them like they didn't exist last night, I don't think Lawson would have had a chance.
Rose Vs Chamlmers and Robinson will be good to watch though.
dvdbumpus
04-06-2008, 06:38 PM
If we got Derek Rose I'd suggest we trade Crash after Rose gets a year or two of tutelage. Then have this lineup:
PG: Felton
SG: Rose
SF: J-rich
PF: Okafor or player crash is traded for
C: Okafor or player crash is traded for
Can we trade for Gasol? :biggrin:
ohara831
04-06-2008, 08:01 PM
If we got Derek Rose I'd suggest we trade Crash after Rose gets a year or two of tutelage. Then have this lineup:
PG: Felton
SG: Rose
SF: J-rich
PF: Okafor or player crash is traded for
C: Okafor or player crash is traded for
Can we trade for Gasol? :biggrin:
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Why would you play Rose at SG? Are you "Fine Ham Biscuit"? You are , aren't you. That's how you get all your inside info. You slick rascal, you.
MattD
04-06-2008, 08:02 PM
If we got Derek Rose I'd suggest we trade Crash after Rose gets a year or two of tutelage. Then have this lineup:
PG: Felton
SG: Rose
SF: J-rich
PF: Okafor or player crash is traded for
C: Okafor or player crash is traded for
Can we trade for Gasol? :biggrin:
thats a joke right. rose at sg?
ohara831
04-07-2008, 05:49 AM
Bumpus, that was a joke, right? Or, are you really Fine Ham Biscuit and want to play Rose at SG? No, you cant be. Not really. Say it aint so!
dvdbumpus
04-08-2008, 02:25 AM
I think that Rose is a combo guard that can be productive in either guard position with his length and athleticism. He reminds me a lot of D-wade. I think that Rose would supplant Felton, but not in his first year.
ohara831
04-08-2008, 06:06 AM
Oh, I have to disagree. Rose is pure PG. A distributor who can distribute, score and likes to play Defense. He is a special player.
A FR, leading his team to the Championship Game. 18 pts 6 reb and 8 asts. He needed a half to get his nerves under control, but he is special.
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