Bobcats waive McInnis - no kidding!

[jiff65]

As us lawyers say, res ipsa loquitur!

See: http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/516159.html

Hopefully the Biscuit will be next!

[Dunk]

Just saw that. Looks like the house cleaning is about to be begin.

It'll be interesting to see if they are moving players that are problems for the coach or just clearing house in general. If they specifically mentioned Ham Biscuit/Touche friction, it would sound like the former to me.


This also means that Felton is the man. Maybe if he proves himself we go big in the draft.

[ziggy]

From the Observer:

The Charlotte Bobcats waived veteran point guard Jeff McInnis today, n a move that may help him get to a playoff team this season.

I can't believe that theres a playoff team out there thats interested in Jeff. That can't be possible.

[ohara831]

If there is a Playoff team who picks him up, I'll be wanting to kick MJ's ass myself. Why the heck didn't we trade him for some team's 2nd rounder? Or at worse, trade him for some team's water boy? Get something for him. Man. I just hope I don't see where someone picks him up. I'd go ballistic!

[Dead_Real]

Unexpected but much needed move by the front office now hopefully Felts will really get to be the man for the rest of the season.

Please let Vincent be next...

[dnbman]

If there is a Playoff team who picks him up, I'll be wanting to kick MJ's ass myself. Why the heck didn't we trade him for some team's 2nd rounder? Or at worse, trade him for some team's water boy? Get something for him. Man. I just hope I don't see where someone picks him up. I'd go ballistic!


If that does go down, and it's not just a ruse to let McInnis leave with dignity, I would guess they didn't trade him because of salary reasons. The other team would have to trade us someone worth about the same as McInnis. If the right team didn't have the right contract, it would be better for us to just let him walk than trade for another contract, even if it did come with a second round pick.

Basically, I think it was a PR move (as much to other NBA players-- "we treat our guys good"-- as to fans) to get rid of McInnis.

By the way, does this mean we're going to pick up another player? We're going to be incredibly thin with Wallace out for at least another week or two.

I wonder if there's an NBDL player on the way. I don't think it would make sense for the team or the player for us to sign a veteran like Cassell.

[Dunk]

They updated the article with that whole bit about helping him get to a playoff team since my first post. I can't believe that. Who would take him? He doesn't do anything besides take the ball up the court, pass it to the wing and get beat on defense.

[ziggy]

I agree that Cassell doesn't make sense. He's trying to hook up with the Celtics.

I would pick up the absolute best prospect out of the NBDL regardless of position, give him minutes and see if we can find a diamond in the rough.

[Alex]

REJOICE!!!

[Muttley]

I was actually upset at this news when I just heard it on the radio in my car on my way home. This is ridiculous. What are we trying to do? I don't see us picking anyone up at this point. Perhaps we save a little money by settling on a buyout, I'm not sure. How it appears to me is that this is management's way of making Sam Vincent play Raymond Felton at the 1 consistently. Jeff McInnis should be the 3rd string point guard on whatever team has him, and it is not his fault that he's been asked to start. The culpability is solely Sam's for Jeff's misuse. The move we should have made is 2can Sam.

There must be some large issue that I'm not seeing because I am not a fly on Bob and Mike's wall. On the surface, this seems like a crappy and passive way of making the coach do what you want him to do.

[MattD]

who cares hes gone! huzza

[spectre]

I was actually upset at this news when I just heard it on the radio in my car on my way home. This is ridiculous. What are we trying to do? I don't see us picking anyone up at this point. Perhaps we save a little money by settling on a buyout, I'm not sure. How it appears to me is that this is management's way of making Sam Vincent play Raymond Felton at the 1 consistently. Jeff McInnis should be the 3rd string point guard on whatever team has him, and it is not his fault that he's been asked to start. The culpability is solely Sam's for Jeff's misuse. The move we should have made is 2can Sam.

There must be some large issue that I'm not seeing because I am not a fly on Bob and Mike's wall. On the surface, this seems like a crappy and passive way of making the coach do what you want him to do.


Exactly right.

It wasn't money, our total outlay for the season for McInnis was only 700k...so we only owed like 250k to him for the rest of the year.

Sad to say I'm thinking like you...management felt they had to do this in order to get Vincent to play Felton primarily at the point. Why not just TELL him?

[Wallace15]

Finally, but seriously, could it have taken MJ and company any longer to do this?



HE'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!!!!!!

[dvdbumpus]

Holy SHIAT!

WNcRynFgznI

God has come down and blessed us on this fine day gentlemen!

[dav7z]

I think Mcinnis did somthing and pissed some one off bad.The way this statment reads by Higgins saying Per team policy.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/mcinnis_waived.html

Either way i agree with Ziggy . We need to pick up the best the NDBL has to offer.

[davcbow]

I wonder if management waived McInnis to force Ham Biscuit to play Felts. Either way Im glad he's gone, although we lost tonight I though we looked good and Raymond did good....

[dav7z]

22 POINTS 10 ASSIST shooting 7 for 15 from the field Felts should have been playing point from the start win or lose.
We a better team with out Mcinnis. Carroll posted 16 points in his first start of the year.
Lose a player and the team gets better . It don't sound right but i truely belive it to be true.
Now thet the SMALL line up is gone . I will be at the rest of the home games. Happy day in Bobcats country.
If only we could get a coach too??????????????????//

[TheBeagle]

I wonder if management waived McInnis to force Ham Biscuit to play Felts. Either way Im glad he's gone, although we lost tonight I though we looked good and Raymond did good....


22 POINTS 10 ASSIST shooting 7 for 15 from the field Felts should have been playing point from the start win or lose.
We a better team with out Mcinnis. Carroll posted 16 points in his first start of the year.
Lose a player and the team gets better . It don't sound right but i truely belive it to be true.
Now thet the SMALL line up is gone . I will be at the rest of the home games. Happy day in Bobcats country.
If only we could get a coach too??????????????????//
Absolutely agree with you guys. I also agree with Muttley and spectre to some extent, but I think by cutting Jeff it makes a more symbolic statement to "Coach." Instead of telling him to bench Jeff and start Raymond at PG, they just flat out cut him, showing "Coach" how quickly the axe can fall. And we all know Jeff and "Coach" were best buds, so I think there's an extra message being sent here to him that he's on a very short leash at this point, which, coming from upper management is great to hear. I'm still in shock that MJ had the balls to cut his coach's best friend!

All in all, a stellar performance from Raymond in the first game post-McInnis!

[tamburello]

I did't feel sad, nor happy after hearing that. This move has nothing to do with our future plans.

But please tell me, I'm just wondering, did we need to leave Felton alone at PG in order to understand whether he's a real PG? Felton's 22 points and 10 assists effort against Celtics is just because of McInnis' departure? He might show (and he actually did) similar performances while McInnis was on board. The only problem was how to use him in the roster. If Vincent doesn't know how to use him, it doesn't matter how many other PG's are around. In my opinion, Felton isn't a pure PG, he is closer to a combo guard. But he likes to share the ball more than, i.e. Arenas.

To conclude, although McInnis wasn't a Kidd, he wasn't a Burleson either. So I want to thank to him for his contributions to the team in his near 1.5 year stay with the club.

[dnbman]

I did't feel sad, nor happy after hearing that. This move has nothing to do with our future plans.

But please tell me, I'm just wondering, did we need to leave Felton alone at PG in order to understand whether he's a real PG? Felton's 22 points and 10 assists effort against Celtics is just because of McInnis' departure? He might show (and he actually did) similar performances while McInnis was on board. The only problem was how to use him in the roster. If Vincent doesn't know how to use him, it doesn't matter how many other PG's are around. In my opinion, Felton isn't a pure PG, he is closer to a combo guard. But he likes to share the ball more than, i.e. Arenas.

To conclude, although McInnis wasn't a Kidd, he wasn't a Burleson either. So I want to thank to him for his contributions to the team in his near 1.5 year stay with the club.


I get what you're saying, but I also think it's easier to overvalue mediocre players on a young club like ours. Virtually every player leaves a small legacy when the club has only been around for 4 years. However, if this were any other ball club, what Jeff did would have already been forgotten. I like the guy enough and glad he got to redeem himself somewhat after being ostracized in New Jersey. But, this is also basketball, and McInnis was nothing more than a bandaid. To put it into perspective, I didn't even feel that bad when they let go of Knight, and he was a far greater contributor the legacy of our team.

I do agree though that they shouldn't have to cut him in order to force Felton's play at pg. It's all speculation right now why they did it. The bottom line is that he didn't fit into our future plans and didn't make much of an impact on the court.

As for Felton being a combo guard, I think Felton is a basketball player. He'll do whatever the team needs him to do. In our short history, we've needed consistent scoring threats. Despite his unsavory fg%, he's one of the better threats on the team, so we've needed him to look to score.

[dav7z]

As for Jeff i think he said or did somthing against team policy. Jeff has a history of starting truble and may have been doing so in the losing streak.
Either way he was give a starting position he did not deserve a role thet really hurt this team big time.
This benefits the whole team , Felton plays more aggressive and lose when playing the point . I would not be suprized to see him post close to all star numbers thr remainder of the season.
Hammer may benefit the most from this move ,hes not been given the playing time to get into rythom. Now he has that chance i look to see Hammer posting close to 20pts a game til Wallace comes back . A hell of a site better than Mcinnis.
Ziggys thought of signing the best thing the NDBL has to offer is a great idea. Like he said it might be a diamond in the rough. Its a perfect6 time to try somthing like that.
Im just saying leting Mcinnis go is long over due. The same can be said about coach V.

[jiff65]

The team's explanations for waiving McInnis doesn't hold water. We needed to let Felton take the lead - well, why do you have to cut McInnis to do that? We wanted to give McInnis the opportunity to play for a playoff team - well, does anyone believe a playoff team is licking its chops at that prospect?

Mighty odd to just suddenly up and cut one of your "starters." Moreover, you'll also notice in Bonnell's article from today that McInnis didn't prompt this move. And if Management made the call to force Biscuit's hand vis-a-vis Felton, why do they have to cut someone to accomplish this? Tell him to change the rotation or he's toast! The "cover story" doesn't make sense. And if something doesn't make sense on its face, there is usually more to the situation than meets the eye. I suspect Management knows the fans and the team have already proffered their "no confidence" vote on Biscuit. And with the season ticket bills rolling out early (with the season not even over yet), this is a small "I hear you" from upstairs. Yielding more substance to this theory is the Observer's report from this week that ticket prices would not be raised for next season.

With season ticket holders being asked to re-up early - before this disaster of a season has even concluded - Management knows they have to show some good faith to the real fans out there. Specificlally including those of us ponying up $12k-plus a year to watch this team play in person. The team has not been fun to watch this year, primarily because its depressing to see our guys put it out there, only to fail because the coach hasn't got a clue. Exhibit "A" was the out of bounds play at the end of the Celtics game (time-out, maybe?), closely followed by Mcinnis starting ahead of Felton/Carroll as Exhibit "B." As for me, I won't be satisified until we have a fit and competent coach in there. Nothing personal to Biscuit, but the team's record and demeanor says it all. When you do less with more, something is awry.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If there is a Playoff team who picks him up, I'll be wanting to kick MJ's ass myself. Why the heck didn't we trade him for some team's 2nd rounder? Or at worse, trade him for some team's water boy? Get something for him. Man. I just hope I don't see where someone picks him up. I'd go ballistic!


If that does go down, and it's not just a ruse to let McInnis leave with dignity, I would guess they didn't trade him because of salary reasons. The other team would have to trade us someone worth about the same as McInnis. If the right team didn't have the right contract, it would be better for us to just let him walk than trade for another contract, even if it did come with a second round pick.

Basically, I think it was a PR move (as much to other NBA players-- "we treat our guys good"-- as to fans) to get rid of McInnis.

By the way, does this mean we're going to pick up another player? We're going to be incredibly thin with Wallace out for at least another week or two.

I wonder if there's an NBDL player on the way. I don't think it would make sense for the team or the player for us to sign a veteran like Cassell.
If Nick Fazekas is still available we could at least sign him to a ten day contract and take it from there. He is inexperienced but at this point in the season it is too late to talk about playoffs anyway so why not take a chance on a young player with some potential skills that could give us a future asset to either trade or utilize as a player on the team? Nick is not really the physical banger we need but as trade bait he may be worth the risk.

[Dead_Real]

^Sadly Fazekas signed a 10 day with Clippers not to long ago.

[timang]

http://www.shunsang.com/sshk/products/images/82068238.jpg
:D :D :D :D :D

[TheBeagle]

... I suspect Management knows the fans and the team have already proffered their "no confidence" vote on Biscuit. And with the season ticket bills rolling out early (with the season not even over yet), this is a small "I hear you" from upstairs. Yielding more substance to this theory is the Observer's report from this week that ticket prices would not be raised for next season.

With season ticket holders being asked to re-up early - before this disaster of a season has even concluded - Management knows they have to show some good faith to the real fans out there. Specificlally including those of us ponying up $12k-plus a year to watch this team play in person. The team has not been fun to watch this year, primarily because its depressing to see our guys put it out there, only to fail because the coach hasn't got a clue. Exhibit "A" was the out of bounds play at the end of the Celtics game (time-out, maybe?), closely followed by Mcinnis starting ahead of Felton/Carroll as Exhibit "B." As for me, I won't be satisified until we have a fit and competent coach in there. Nothing personal to Biscuit, but the team's record and demeanor says it all. When you do less with more, something is awry.
Ultimately, I think this is the reason he was cut also. Like I mentioned in my post, it sends a message to "Coach", but it is also sending a message to current ST holders (lower bowl, primarily), as well as potential ST holders, as has been discussed. If I'm interpreting this correctly, I like the move very much.

[amour217]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/amour217/JeffNRay.jpg

[ziggy]

I would pick up the absolute best prospect out of the NBDL regardless of position, give him minutes and see if we can find a diamond in the rough.

Looks like Rick has been reading BobcatsPlanet again :biggrin:
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/03/bring-in-d-leag.html

[davcbow]

Alright which one of you guys are really Bonnell? :g:

[dav7z]

I would pick up the absolute best prospect out of the NBDL regardless of position, give him minutes and see if we can find a diamond in the rough.

Good find Ziggy . REP IT UP++++++++
Bonnell does seem to be seeing a lot of things the same as us the past few months, He use to be consistantly against any thing we said hear GO Figure . He must be reading the best Bobcats site thair is BOBCATSPLANET.
Looks like Rick has been reading BobcatsPlanet again :biggrin:
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/03/bring-in-d-leag.html

[timang]

Alright which one of you guys are really Bonnell? :g:


now that IS something. are you lurking around there somewhere? :biggrin:

[WarioVsMooChicken]

*walks out door without people noticing*

[timang]

*walks out door without people noticing*


throw bottles at him! it's him! LAWL

:hysterical:

[davcbow]

Humm has anybody heard weather McInnis has been snatched up by a playoff team or not? lol :g:

[M.Peezie]

The longer this continues to play out with the Cats winning with Felton at PG, the more I think management cut McInnis to prove a point to Biscuit. For some reason he would not listen to Jordan & Co about McInnis so they cut him to force his hand. This team is a mess...but hey we got a 3 game win streak!!

[spectre]

The longer this continues to play out with the Cats winning with Felton at PG, the more I think management cut McInnis to prove a point to Biscuit. For some reason he would not listen to Jordan & Co about McInnis so they cut him to force his hand. This team is a mess...but hey we got a 3 game win streak!!


I'm almost willing to put money on it.

Rep for you!

Edit:

Haven't seen the article posted here (it's been on RealGM for a couple days now)...Hoopsworld has an interview up with Felts post McInnis:

Up Close with Raymond Felton (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7674)


Sam Vincent said the Bobcats waived Jeff McInnis to focus on you at the point …

"Right, right. That's a very touchy subject because Jeff is like a big brother to me. He's a guy that I talk to a lot. We talk about everything. We're more than just teammates, we're boys. He's like a big brother. So that's more of a subject that I'd rather not speak on. But I guess it's just something that the organization went with and I've got to deal with it."

No doubt he's also asking "Why cut him...why in the hell can't Vincent just play McInnis for 15 minutes per game?"

[Melanie]

Well this is one step forward!!! I was taking an NBA break, appears there is some good news to come back to!

[M.Peezie]

Yeah I read that Felts article. Funny how he wouldn't call out his boy McInnis because of the Carolina connection. All of the Carolina alum players get together in Chapel Hill during the offseason and play pick up games with each other and the current UNC players.

Another example that I am afraid the Carolina connection clouds our vision with this team at times...and I am a UNC guy willing to admit that!