The Roy Hibbert Thread [Archive] - Bobcatsplanet Forum

ziggy

03-04-2008, 02:10 PM

this is assuming Beasley and Rose are off the board.
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Think of the pain that we could cause other teams in the paint with a frontcourt of Crash, Emeka and Big Roy.
Roy isn't exactly what you would call "fleet of foot", but he is a highly skilled big man, an excellent passer and a high percentage shooter. Oh yeah, and you can't teach 7'2" & 280 pounds.
I know his numbers have not improved over last season which is somewhat puzzling, but if Beasley and Rose are off the board then I would have no problem with adding Hibbert to the Bobcats roster.

What are your thoughts?

davcbow

03-04-2008, 02:21 PM

Sort of like a young Shaq, that would be interesting..... :g:

Edrow

03-04-2008, 02:32 PM

You know me, I'm all for a big man. I wanted Hibbert last year before he got pulled out of the running.

Edit: That sounded really gay. Sorry team.

ohara831

03-04-2008, 02:59 PM

I'd rather take a flyer on Anthony Randloph as a PF before I'd spend the pick on Hibbert at Center. I get nothing but bad vibes from him. His stock has gone down big time since last year because he just hasn't improved upon his game since last season. If we took aa Center, to me it would be between Brook Lopez and DeAndre Jordan. Hibbert is not even in the running for me unless we traded up our 2nd and a body and got him last1/3 of the 1st round after getting someone good with our Lottery pick. I find Hibbert very risky.

Dead_Real

03-04-2008, 03:16 PM

I like Hibbert but just not on this team everytime I watch him he just seems like a very stiff player so the biggest question mark would be if he'd be able to keep up with the style of play (run and gun) that Vincent claims he wants to run with Felton at the point.

Slam

03-04-2008, 11:04 PM

Hibbet is the safer pick out of himself, Lopez and Jordan. He might not have the upside of the others, but he's quality and makes those around him better.

I'd be ok with taking him high, but if we were picking #3 I would rather try and work a deal with someone like Seattle and swap the #3 for thier two 1st round picks, give them Bayless, have Hibbert come to us and draft a back up PG with the latter of the two picks.

davcbow

03-05-2008, 02:40 AM

That would be a great thing to pull off that and get both a big and a small in the first round.... I do like the way Hibbert plays.... :g:

dav7z

03-05-2008, 05:17 PM

Slam just what i said om the other thread. The thing about Hibbert is he can be very good or less than average.
My self i think hes going to have a solid carer with his passing abilitys. To go along with his size . But i don't think he's a top three pick . So i compleatly agree with SLAM

dvdbumpus

03-06-2008, 12:03 AM

Thabeet man...Thabeet.

7'3 and 265. Noted as "an above average runner of the court … Does a great job of getting initial post position by using his body wide and sealing off his defender … Has soft hands."

He's also producing better stats then Hibbert in the Big East (10.2 pts and 7.8 boards to go along with 4.4 blocks on 59%; Hibbert his sophmore year was 11.6 pts, 6.9 boards, 59% FG and 1.6 blocks and that's with Jeff Green), and Uconn has a better pedigree as of late in producing big men than Georgetown (see: Okafor, Boone, Villanueva, Hilton Armstrong, even Rudy Gay)

"His explosiveness: getting off the floor quickly is mind blowing for a player his size ... Physically he has all the tools needed to continue with his long arms and first-rate timing … Unlike many young players he has learned to be a very patient shot blocker that rarely bites on pump fakes … Has yet to even scratch the surface of his vast potential"

He's also compared to Dikembe Mutumbo. Not a bad big man to be compared to.

Seriously consider it Ziggy, serious consider it...

ohara831

03-06-2008, 08:23 AM

We are starting to play ourselves right out of the top 10 if we're not careful! Oh well, we can live with winning I guess!

If we are picking outside the top 10, then I have to say I would not mind going after Hibbert there. I just would not take him with a top 5-6 pick.

Slam

03-06-2008, 08:56 AM

While his shot blocking/altering is great, Thabeet has zero offense and offense is what we really need from a big as well as being able to play the high post.

Enter Hibbert.

dvdbumpus

03-06-2008, 06:01 PM

While his shot blocking/altering is great, Thabeet has zero offense and offense is what we really need from a big as well as being able to play the high post.

Enter Hibbert.

He is raw, but he can score. He's shooting 60% and getting 10 points a game. One thing to note on his improvement is freshman to sophmore year his FT% has gone from 51% to 68%. That's 17% improvement on what's basically a mid range shot. So he's definitely working on his shot....

Hibbert also seems to reached his peak or near peak. Thabeet....could be a good pick.

M.Peezie

03-06-2008, 08:19 PM

Thabeet could become a stud in this league, but right now he would be a project and we already have Hollins to fit that role.

dvdbumpus

03-06-2008, 08:35 PM

M.Peezie

03-06-2008, 08:54 PM

Thabeet could become a stud in this league, but right now he would be a project and we already have Hollins to fit that role.

Let me ask you, would you consider Hollins, Davidson, or Thabeet the best for a project we want to put time into? Just asking...

I see what you are getting at...both Davidson and Thabeet have a brighter future in this league than Hollins. What is Hollins' contract like is he an UFA at the end of this season or does he have one more year? If Hollins contract is up at the end of the season then sure I would be willing to drop Hollins and invest in Thabeet to see how he grows. His upside is tremendous no doubt.

All of that to say...I would not want to see Thabeet and Hollins on the same roster.

ziggy

03-06-2008, 09:57 PM

I need to see a little bit more of Thabeet before I can really get a good feel for what he may become. The couple of times that I've seen him play haven't been his best games.
If I were certain that he could have a Mutombo-esque effect on the game then I would put him above Roy, but from the little that I've seen of him, hes a not starting caliber NBA center at this point, hes a year or two away minimum. I think we could plug Hibbert in to that starting slot in game 1 of the season

davcbow

03-06-2008, 10:03 PM

From what Ive read and heard about both of them, Thabeet is better at defence than at offence, Hibbert is better at offence that at defence. I think that maybe Hibbert is better at defence than Thabeet is at offence so I would have to go with Hibbert........ :g:

Slam

03-06-2008, 10:05 PM

He is raw, but he can score. He's shooting 60% and getting 10 points a game. One thing to note on his improvement is freshman to sophmore year his FT% has gone from 51% to 68%. That's 17% improvement on what's basically a mid range shot. So he's definitely working on his shot....

Hibbert also seems to reached his peak or near peak. Thabeet....could be a good pick.
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He's shooting 60% because all he can do is dunk. Put back = dunk. Drive and dish = dunk. Beat his man down the court = dunk. Cook an egg = dunk. Read the paper = dunk.

He has no refined offense at all. He doesn't have a sky hook, baby hook, drop step, back down, ball fake, head fake, fake orgasim. Nothing. He and EO50 on the court together would be a disaster. They'd fall over each other.

Thabeet has nothing on Hibbert.

Now, don't take this as bashing Thabeet. I actually think he'll have a pretty good NBA caeer, but Hibbert "could" end up an All Star one day and all Hibbert will do will make the NBA 1st D team.

If we have a Bosh like big, then I would be ALL OVER Thabeet but with our current make up, Roy would be the way to go.

Even MORE so over Jordan.

dvdbumpus

03-06-2008, 11:08 PM

He's shooting 60% because all he can do is dunk. Put back = dunk. Drive and dish = dunk. Beat his man down the court = dunk. Cook an egg = dunk. Read the paper = dunk.

He has no refined offense at all. He doesn't have a sky hook, baby hook, drop step, back down, ball fake, head fake, fake orgasim. Nothing. He and EO50 on the court together would be a disaster. They'd fall over each other.

Thabeet has nothing on Hibbert.

Now, don't take this as bashing Thabeet. I actually think he'll have a pretty good NBA caeer, but Hibbert "could" end up an All Star one day and all Hibbert will do will make the NBA 1st D team.

If we have a Bosh like big, then I would be ALL OVER Thabeet but with our current make up, Roy would be the way to go.

Even MORE so over Jordan.

I believe Dwight Howard is leading the league in dunks this year. As long as he scores, I don't care how he does it. Thing is, I think he could develop some game to it. Sign Brand to a max contract and draft Thabeet(here's to hoping his knee is good). Let Okafor go then :biggrin:

Brand and Thabeet makes me drool. Never anything wrong with hoping for a miracle, right?

Slam

03-07-2008, 08:44 AM

Howard is a genetic freak. He's amazingly powerful, quick and athletic. He also demonstrates beautiful timing and some foot work. That's how he gets away with it.

Thabeet isn't powerful, isn't super athletic and has poor timing (I don't think I've ever seen him throw down an oop).

There you go!! Brand and Thabeet would be a great pairing though! Agreed there. Further more, Hibbert and Brand would probably be not as good a pairing.

Keetch

03-07-2008, 01:30 PM

I'm worried that pretty much all of the centers available for this draft are greatly overvalued...Hibbert, Thabeet, Jordan...3 teams are going to make mistakes picking these guys. Jordan especially needs to stay in school. He seems to have no clue what to do on a basketball court, other than run up and down between the baskets.

I'd prefer we keep what we have and take someone who has the athleticism to be or become a more solid NBA player. After Beasley and Rose, I'm not sure who that is though. Right now the only guys on my radar are Eric Gordon, Nic Batum, Blake Griffin or maybe even Darrell Arthur.

Really though after the first 2, this draft isn't going to help the Bobcats much, unless they can land a solid PF. That would be Griffin, Arthur, or even Lopez (I guess).

Keetch

03-07-2008, 01:33 PM

a further note: I neglected that their are an abundance of good Point Guards in this draft. It wouldn't hurt us to pick a quality backup for Felton. Lawson or Bayless would be pretty nice. Augustin too. Just so our esteemed coach can figure out a rotation that doesn't diss Felton again.

spectre

03-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Dead_Real

03-08-2008, 09:39 AM

True story I fell off the drafting Hasheem Thabeet bandwagon when I watched him get hunged on a WIDE open dunk attempt. With that said I'm obviously not on Hibbert's bandwagon either but, a positive to taking him would be that we would have a bigger body (Roy is like 270 pounds) on the squad that atleast has a remote chance of stopping Dwight Howard from getting whatever he wants against us when we play Orlando 2 or 3 times a year.

ohara831

03-08-2008, 10:29 AM

If you are looking at a abig, no one is mentioning the big man from Stanford, Brook Lopez. He is listed as a Top 5. I would love him to be paired with Okafor.

Muttley

03-08-2008, 11:28 AM

nbadraft.com moved Lopez up to 3rd pick by the Grizz. That's a leap from where he was previously (I think around 7th or so).

I haven't seen much of him, but from what I hear, he seems like a guy that would be an asset on the team.

dre1218us

03-22-2008, 10:44 PM

Hibbert is the most complete prospect at Center in the draft, no doubt.

No, he's not terribly athletic or quick, but few people his size are. He's smart enough though where he won't have to rely on quickness to get him back in position etc.

His positives far outweigh his negatives.

Offensively he has great footwork, can score off either shoulder in the post, has good form on a jumper that could become strong, and is a great passer for his size, even out of double teams.

Defensively he knows how to get position on his man, he's a good help defender/weakside blocker, and rarely gets beaten offensively.

He looks to be a fair rebounder, I haven't really seen him have monster rebounding games, but he's got good footwork so all he'll need is some work with a coach at his size.

As far as his flaws, the major thing seems to be how he'll be quiet offensively. I don't know though if it's a testament to the Princeton offense, where the ball is shared equally, or a flaw within him. We'll probably see very early in his career.

Overrall, he projects to be a borderline all-star at best, and at worst a good rotation big.

ohara831

03-23-2008, 12:12 AM

I think as far as College is concerned, the best and most complete Center is Love from UCLA. But I think he plays a PF at the NBA level.

dvdbumpus

03-23-2008, 01:25 AM

I think as far as College is concerned, the best and most complete Center is Love from UCLA. But I think he plays a PF at the NBA level.

I'll take that.

Slam

03-23-2008, 03:24 PM

Love makes Hibbert look like a race horse getting up and down the court.

Love REALLY needs to work on his conditioning.

amour217

03-23-2008, 08:19 PM

Well Hibbert sure laid an egg in his final college game

dvdbumpus

03-23-2008, 08:52 PM

Well Hibbert sure laid an egg in his final college game

6 pts, 1 board and 1 block? Wow, pathetic.

Brooke Lopez on the other hand....he's really been a stud of late.

amour217

03-23-2008, 10:03 PM

Well Hibbert sure laid an egg in his final college game

6 pts, 1 board and 1 block? Wow, pathetic.

Brooke Lopez on the other hand....he's really been a stud of late.

with those numbers, he can definitely replace Okafor lol

Muttley

03-23-2008, 10:23 PM

Well Hibbert sure laid an egg in his final college game

Brooke Lopez on the other hand....he's really been a stud of late.

That last shot in the Marquette game? Wow.
On the other hand, it seems like every Stanford game I watch, Robin looks like he's playing better than Brook. That was up until the end of the Marquette game.

timang

03-24-2008, 10:24 AM

what a disappointing season for him. to THINK he passed the draft last year to improve his stock. woe to him! :P

dvdbumpus

03-25-2008, 10:01 PM

what a disappointing season for him. to THINK he passed the draft last year to improve his stock. woe to him! :P

Definitely! He's going to be in the late 1st round. Hansborough might even be drafted before him....IMO he's overrated on this site.

ohara831

03-26-2008, 07:50 AM

Boy, talk about taking a hit. NBA Draft.net now has Hibbert dropping to #23 to Utah. They have Robin Lopez going ahead of him at #20.

Slam

03-26-2008, 09:35 AM

ohara831

03-26-2008, 11:06 AM

How was his season dissapointing?

He scored more ppg this year than any other and all of his other stats were consistant. G-Town play a Princeton offense so no one is ever going to dominate in a way that a Beasley does in the K-State offense. Hibbert averaged 8 shots a game. E-I-G-H-T!!

You say that nbadraft.net has his listed at #23. Who cares????

DX has him listed at #15

My NBA.com has him listed at #11

Hoops Hype has him listed at #11

Inside Hoops has him at #15

You want to talk about "overrated on this site"? You guys wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overrate these mock draft sites!!
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Dadgum, is he a relative of yours or something? It's not like I said he sucks. I just think that he disappeared in some big games and that really leaves an impression. The Mocks, well, it just shows that his value is wide ranging and diversified, it just depends on who you are talking with at the time. You have him as a Top 10, so be it. If we were to make a trade and have 2 Lottery picks, one near the end of the Lottery, I'd take him then, for sure. Just not at # 7.

Slam

03-26-2008, 11:22 AM

Not a relative, I just get frustrated when people make outlandish and incorrect statments

Slam

03-26-2008, 01:22 PM

Comparison: Ilgauskas (offense) meets Brad Miller (defense/passing)

Best fit: Raps, Cavs, Bobcats

ziggy

05-18-2008, 10:34 AM

BulletsForever has a nice breakdown of Roy.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/5/16/510362/about-that-big-lumbering-g

The latest mocks have him way down in the 20+ range. Some team is going to get a steal if he really drops that far.