UNC to Charlotte Bobcats

[BobCatsFanInTx]

:g: You know many people have said that MJ was too loyal to the state of NC by drafting and hiring former UNC alumni but when I look back at our drafting of Felton and May I really find it hard to fault MJ on those choices. When we picked up these two young men they were among the best college basketball players in the country and there was no way of knowing they would not measure up to what was projected. Many other teams would have been happy to have either one of these two players if we had not taken them. They probably would have been drafted not long after we picked if we had not chosen either of them.

The reason I bring this up is because the UNC program is loaded with what looks like great talent again this year. If we were to chose a UNC player in the first round again this year it would not necessarily be JUST because they are players from UNC but because they are talented players who would fit in with Charlotte at the NBA level.

Now I have said the Bobcats need a banger and UNC has a banger who will most likely end up as the consensus division 1 college player of the year and I think he would fit in perfectly with the Bobcats. Tyler Hansbrough most likely wont be available by the time we pick unless we somehow get a top 3 pick but if he is I think it would almost be stupid not to pick him. The guy plays with serious emotion and a great ability to grab hard fought rebounds. He plays physical and though he is not the strongest player on the court he plays above himself. He is a decent medium range outside shooter and on the inside he is a warrior who scores with an ability to create space. When double teamed inside he has a bit of trouble but most players do. I feel IF we picked a player like him it would be about talent and not where he played his college ball.

UNC seems strong at pg again but I think picking Lawson would not look good considering we already have a quality UNC alum at pg in Felton. I actually feel Lawson is a bit more athletic but he is not a real assist machine either.

Would we be wrong to draft out of UNC again if we felt a UNC player was the best available talent?

With all that said, it really doesn't matter who the cats pick if they don't fire the idiot they have at head coach.

[twebb]

Tyler Hansbrough most likely wont be available by the time we pick unless we somehow get a top 3 pick but if he is I think it would almost be stupid not to pick him.


Wow we all know you are a UNC fan after this remark. No way Hansbrough goes top 3. The fact of the matter is that he will not be able to out muscle people in the Pros. He will be put in his place day one when he tries to go against someone twice as strong, with twice the athletic ability. I for one am praying we dont draft Hansbro, because no way he comes close to leading us anywhere (IE The playoffs)

[MattD]

Tyler Hansbrough most likely wont be available by the time we pick unless we somehow get a top 3 pick but if he is I think it would almost be stupid not to pick him.


Wow we all know you are a UNC fan after this remark. No way Hansbrough goes top 3. The fact of the matter is that he will not be able to out muscle people in the Pros. He will be put in his place day one when he tries to go against someone twice as strong, with twice the athletic ability. I for one am praying we dont draft Hansbro, because no way he comes close to leading us anywhere (IE The playoffs)


exactly my response, after getting back from the UNC v Clemson game I remembered why I like the NBA so much more (heresy I know) but they just arent as good. Hansbourgh is good because he is physical and he has decent size for college. In the NBA a PF like him would get eaten alive, hes not 6'10 hes not athletic, and hes not THAT strong. I would expect him to go between 17-22 range in the draft and unless he works REALLY hard dont expect him to be much more then a role player in the NBA. I just dont see how he fits with this level of competition.

[x2pacalypse]

as a UNC fan...i liked the felton pick but hated the may pick from the start

i don't really think we need a banger in the draft...i think we need a big man scoring option...nazr and emeka are already physical big guys....i would really like to pick somebody like hibbert up

i think right now our draft depends on if we decide to keep okafor or not

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Here let's shorten this post to two questions. With the Tarheels having so much talent once again, would it be such a bad thing to take a player from there as we have in the past?

When it comes to the best player available should the cats skip a player from North Carolina so they don't look like that is all they care about? It is obvious taking May and Felton did little to motivate the fan base so taking a UNC player can't be seen as a marketing ploy any longer.

[twebb]

The thing you have to look at is not talent but potential. This could be best shown by looking at this years and last years draft classes. Both are filled with talent. Last year we took (for a short period) Brandan Wright out of UNC with the 8 pick, solely off of potential. Based off of performance there is no way we would pick a guy who only scores around 10per. Keep in mind he went 8. This year we see Tyler Hansbrough, one of the leading scorers, rebounders, etc, etc. The reason we do not see him going high is based solely on the low amount of upside. Just because they show the talent you are talking about in college does not amount to any talent in the pros. It's a whole other monster to tackle, and it cant be done on heart alone.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Tyler Hansbrough most likely wont be available by the time we pick unless we somehow get a top 3 pick but if he is I think it would almost be stupid not to pick him.


Wow we all know you are a UNC fan after this remark. No way Hansbrough goes top 3. The fact of the matter is that he will not be able to out muscle people in the Pros. He will be put in his place day one when he tries to go against someone twice as strong, with twice the athletic ability. I for one am praying we dont draft Hansbrough because no way he comes close to leading us anywhere (IE The playoffs)
I have to disagree with you on this. Hansbrough has been among some pretty physical players in college and handled himself quite well. Yes I am a Tarheel fan but I am not blinded by fanfare. Dennis Rodman was not the strongest guy in the world when he entered the NBA but we see how he progressed. A basketball player is still a basketball player no matter how his strength is rated. Plus this team is young and can afford to let strength and conditioning get him physically ready. The guy isn't being considered a player of the year candidate for nothing. He has skills and not every player he competes against is necessarily soft. He is in the ACC which is a hotbed for great players.

Anderson Verajao does not have the strongest body in the world but you can bet the guy doesn't back down to anybody and gets more than his share of boards. He doesn't have half the skill set of Tyler Hansbrough. Tyler is tough on the court and just because he isn't some chiseled rock hard muscle man doesn't mean he can't ball in the NBA. If being a big chiseled player was the top requirement to a PF in the NBA a great many players would not be playing. Yes, GWall got roughed up some times at PF but that was more from wreck less play than physical incompetence. Don't get me wrong because I love GWalls hard play but he is at times a bit over the top. Tyler is physical in a different way, he gives no ground and fights down low. He is a scrapper who grabs many offensive rebounds that give his team a great many second chance opportunities. Maybe he is a bit soft now but give him a strength and conditioning coach that is worth a flip and by the start of next season he could easily add at least three to five pounds of lean muscle.

The whole reason I started this post however is not to hype Tyler but to see what the pulse of the board was on taking another UNC player IF that player was the best player available at the time regardless of how it was perceived by the rest of the NBA world. I say we don't rule it out regardless of how it might look.

[Icky Thump]

Tyler Hansbrough most likely wont be available by the time we pick unless we somehow get a top 3 pick but if he is I think it would almost be stupid not to pick him.


Wow we all know you are a UNC fan after this remark. No way Hansbrough goes top 3. The fact of the matter is that he will not be able to out muscle people in the Pros. He will be put in his place day one when he tries to go against someone twice as strong, with twice the athletic ability. I for one am praying we dont draft Hansbro, because no way he comes close to leading us anywhere (IE The playoffs)


exactly my response, after getting back from the UNC v Clemson game I remembered why I like the NBA so much more (heresy I know) but they just arent as good. Hansbourgh is good because he is physical and he has decent size for college. In the NBA a PF like him would get eaten alive, hes not 6'10 hes not athletic, and hes not THAT strong. I would expect him to go between 17-22 range in the draft and unless he works REALLY hard dont expect him to be much more then a role player in the NBA. I just dont see how he fits with this level of competition.



Hansbrough is like the offensive version of Okafor In my opinion. Okafor was a very nice college defensive presence but his lack of height, athleticism and offensive prowess hurts his NBA value greatly. Similarly Hansbrough's value in the NBA will be limited due to his lack of height and athleticism but instead of offensive probs he lacks the defensive skills.. if we could maybe put 'Brough and Okafor together we would have a serious post player.

[ohara831]

Lawson may make a fairly good Pro prospect, but Tyler H. will only be a bench big, good for 15 minutes per game. He cannot play defense and his offensive game is great for college, but not for the Pro game.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

The thing you have to look at is not talent but potential. This could be best shown by looking at this years and last years draft classes. Both are filled with talent. Last year we took (for a short period) Brandan Wright out of UNC with the 8 pick, solely off of potential. Based off of performance there is no way we would pick a guy who only scores around 10per. Keep in mind he went 8. This year we see Tyler Hansbrough, one of the leading scorers, rebounders, etc, etc. The reason we do not see him going high is based solely on the low amount of upside. Just because they show the talent you are talking about in college does not amount to any talent in the pros. It's a whole other monster to tackle, and it cant be done on heart alone.
You may be right and only time will tell, but in my opinion if being good in college stands for nothing half the guys picked in the top ten who were great in college and became good to great in the NBA would not have been picked. I see it as intangibles and that is something that can't be coached. I want a guy like a Morrison or a Hansbrough who will run through brick walls to help their team mates.

Tyler is a team player. He may not be a starter right away based on his strength and size but in my opinion he is an easy twelve to fourteen board a game guy and a guy who can get many inside the paint put backs. He will score the occasional outside shot and can set solid picks with his solid basketball IQ. Setting a solid pick on a defender has as much to do with solid footwork and balance as it does strength. If you watch closely the bigger stronger guy does not always break through a smaller players pick. Tyler can set decent screens as well because of balance and quickness.

Athleticism can be seen in many ways. Adam Morrison was not the best athlete in typical terms but he could score in the post and has a solid outside shot. Tyler is not flashy and pretty but pretty doesn't get rebounds and pretty doesn't get you in the right place at the right time. I for one would rather have a less flashy guy with great instincts and basketball IQ than a guy with crazy athletic skills but poor basketball IQ.

Since I have said all that, I would have to agree that I jumped the gun about Tyler being a top three. Still many let their love of AmMo cloud their judgment when the Cats took him so high. Of coarse AmMo is not the first guy drafted so high to struggle a bit their rookie years and the jury is still out where he is concerned.

I do however see Tyler as a short term project to become a very good player in the NBA. I say by his third year Tyler makes his mark. Next year I feel AmMo will be a fourteen to sixteen ppg scorer and may add five or six assist with about six to eight boards.

He is not much of a rebounder but I hope he will have a few assist set up by solid scoring which will be a big help. May has the talent to help the team if he can stay healthy but if he goes down for a long stretch next season he needs to retire.

Based on some past championship teams I feel the Bobcats are a team with great talent at the skill positions but without a physical banger who can get put backs and bang guys inside the paint while adding muscle and skill to setting picks they will not be ready to make a real run if they make the playoffs. We ghave scorers but what we need is an enforcer. MJ should know this because he had that for most of his championships. Dennis Rodman became a warrior and all he really did was grab rebounds. Without Rodman the bulls may not have won as many championships. Tyler may not be that guy but we need a banger who has a bit of scoring in him.

These are just my opinions unless I state otherwise.

[TheBeagle]

The whole reason I started this post however is not to hype Tyler but to see what the pulse of the board was on taking another UNC player IF that player was the best player available at the time regardless of how it was perceived by the rest of the NBA world. I say we don't rule it out regardless of how it might look.
Thanks for pointing this out, BCFITx. Looks like everyone else is trying to turn this into a "why hansbrough will be a bust in the NBA" thread, than just a fairly straightforward question. Out of love and respect for Tyler and the Hansbrough family in general (his dad, Gene, is the man, by the way!!), I won't comment on his pro potential, I'll just answer the question:

Of course we take a Tarheel if he is the best available player for us, and he meets a need. It pains me to say it, but I'd take a Dookie if he was the best available player and met our needs. Hell, I couldn't stand JD when he was at BC, though I respected his tenacity and toughness, but I was the person on this board that was advocating us taking him in the '07 draft during predraft camp and team workouts! It matters not where the person played in college; it matters what he can do for us, and if a Tarheel is the best player, and we are in position to take him, then we better take him. What those around the NBA think of us doesn't matter at all.

[dav7z]

We have a early second round pick . If for some reason Tylor stayed on the board til then . I wouldn't mind taking that hard noze banger. Yes he's a little short and small but heart a determation make up for it, Yes i would consider him as a second round pick. Not as a first rounder as it's to much talent ahead of him.
I would much rather have Mays or Booker from the tigers over him .

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

Ohara, one of your biggest criticisms of Hansbrough is completely false. He is one of the faster players on the court for his size (6'9, 250 lbs), and is the second best defender on UNC behind Ginyard. You must not have watched the UNC VA Tech game when hansbrough chased down VA Techs point guard FROM BEHIND and knocked the ball out of his hands stopping a fast break. I guess the slow white guy stereotype is hard to shed, but tyler is constantly in the lane stealing passes and starting fast breaks. Since hes from UNC and not some obscure school nobody's heard of, its fashionable to rip him, but with his work ethic he will be knocking down lots of mid range jumpers and getting lots of boards in the pros. I don't think he will be a star, but if we were picking in the middle of the first I think he would be a great addition and a solid pro. Everybody talks about how much we miss Vohskul for his toughness, you can't tell me that Hansbrough will not be much better than Vohsku. Varajao, or even your boy David Lee.

[ohara831]

Reesie:

Then tell that to every publication which does an analysis of the Draft and they all have Tyler going at the end of the 1st round. Why? They tell you why. he is slow. His feet are anchors and he cannot get going fast enough for the Pro game. He's be OK in a half court setting, but he cannot run the NBA floor. It's not just me saying that. It is every respectable source when it comes to studying the players and where they will be drafted and why. Do some research.

[Dunk]

From what I recall, May's work ethic was suspect for the pro game. That has turned out to be true based on his conditioning and his ability to stay on the court. It was a homer pick and it cost us.

Hansbrough doesn't have the atheleticism, in particular the speed and the hops, to be a top player in the league IMO. We'd be catering to the fanbase but that won't be helping us win games which is what we desperately need.

I've only been in NC for about 3 years. I'm absolutely impartial to UNC and the program. In fact, I don't even 'get' college sports at all. :)

[BIGCatBobcat]

No more Carolina players. I don't want anyone working in the office, I don't want an announcer, a PR guy, a secretary from UNC. Nationally I think we are known as UNC's post grad(or whenever you're done playing). Jordan's buddy hires are a lot of Carolina connections.
They don't have an NBA ready player right now. Psycho-T isn't going to be that good in the NBA, I mean it's possible he'll be a suprise. The kid is a worker but just not athletic enough.
On 2nd thought, what do you homers think about Roy as coach and drafting Psycho-T?

[twebb]

If there is a player who possesses exceptionally more talent and will put us in a better position to win i would take him. The only thing that would make me look otherwise is his attitude and work ethic, but if he comes from UNC then I wouldnt skip him for that sole reason.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Reesie:

Then tell that to every publication which does an analysis of the Draft and they all have Tyler going at the end of the 1st round. Why? They tell you why. he is slow. His feet are anchors and he cannot get going fast enough for the Pro game. He's be OK in a half court setting, but he cannot run the NBA floor. It's not just me saying that. It is every respectable source when it comes to studying the players and where they will be drafted and why. Do some research.
NCAA Weekly Performers, 12/06/2007 -- Part Two
December 6, 2007
Tyler Hansbrough has jumped out to a fast start in his first eight games this season. The preseason All-American has seen significant increases in both his scoring and rebounding averages, while having already posted five double-doubles. As always though, the stellar numbers don’t do justice to how hard Hansbrough works on the floor and how smart of a player he is.

One thing that jumps out right away about Hansbrough this season is he seems to have slimmed down and toned up a little bit in the off-season. This weight loss has added more speed to his game, particularly in the open court in transition. While this has made Hansbrough more effective at guarding the pick and roll, he still is a bit slow closing out on perimeter shooters and guarding quicker players in isolation situations. At just 6’9” and not a phenomenal athlete, Hansbrough will definitely need to continue to get quicker in order to continue his success at the next level.

Offensively Hansbrough has stuck with his bread and butter so far this season; hard nosed play in the paint. Not only is he one of the strongest players pound for pound in the country, but Hansbrough is so smart when he gets the ball inside. He keeps his pivot foot better than maybe any post player in the college game, and uses a flurry of head and ball fakes to get himself good looks inside. His most dangerous weapon this season though, as it has always been is his ability to draw contact and go to the free throw line. Hansbrough is attempting a whopping 10.3 free throws per game this season, and with a free throw percent of 77% he is doing a lot of easy scoring. In total, Hansbrough has scored 37% of his points this season from the charity stripe. While his ability to get to the line is phenomenal, there have been points this season where Hansbrough has missed out on easy baskets as a result of giving head fakes rather than going right to the basket.

Hansbrough’s physical shortcomings have stuck out at a few points this season. In North Carolina’s games against BYU and Ohio State, while Hansbrough had solid stat lines, it was clear to see he was having a hard time against athletic big men like Trent Plaisted, Kosta Koufos and Othello Hunter. All three players are longer and more athletic than Hansbrough, and often he found himself taking very difficult, contested shots. Hansbrough’s great touch and feel for the post game allowed him to still be fairly effective.

Extending his range was a major area of emphasis this summer for Hansbrough. While his touch from as far out as 15-feet has improved, this still isn’t a shot that he takes often, preferring to handle the ball nearer to the basket. Hansbrough still isn’t much of a threat to drive to the basket. Occasionally he will attack the basket from the foul line if guarded by a slower post player, but his slashing skills are limited to straight lines to the hoop.

On the defensive end Hansbrough has continued to be a solid post presence. What he lacks in leaping ability and length, he makes up for with his strength and basketball IQ. Hansbrough is very tough to back down on the block, and his constant hustle makes him a pesky defender, leading to 1.5 steals per game so far this season. He does a nice job on help defense, often reading opponents’ next moves before they make them; he picks up a fair number of charges in the process.

As a college post player Hansbrough is in an elite class, possessing the strength, smarts and touch necessary to be an All-American. As a pro prospect, he lacks great size, length and athleticism, and he needs to become more of a threat with his mid-range jump shot. Hansbrough does have tremendous work ethic though, and his constant hustle makes him a coach’s dream. There’s a reason he is on everyone’s short list for national player of the year honors; he has tremendous post skills and a great feel for the game. Hansbrough is going to be a very nice addition to an NBA roster one day soon.

[ohara831]

That was a good article. Very well stated. A great college player who will be very limited in the NBA. Good bench player for 15-20 minutes, but that is all. Just not athletic enough and will be too slow to be a major player

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

Reesie:

Then tell that to every publication which does an analysis of the Draft and they all have Tyler going at the end of the 1st round. Why? They tell you why. he is slow. His feet are anchors and he cannot get going fast enough for the Pro game. He's be OK in a half court setting, but he cannot run the NBA floor. It's not just me saying that. It is every respectable source when it comes to studying the players and where they will be drafted and why. Do some research.

I have seen some of the draft publications you speak of, with draft express having him at the 19 spot to the cavs. I am talking about what I see on the court with my own eyes, and what I perceive as a UNC bias towards him. He has limitations, he won't jump out of the gym, but to watch him during a game I would hardly call him slow. I am not saying he will be a saviour on the court, but a solid pickup in the middle of the first round. As far as his pro prospects I guess we will agree to disagree, but I think he is just what we are lacking now.

[Alex]

Nobody on UNCs current roster will amount to anything more than just decent role players in the league. The way Roy has the system set up right now it translates into really great team college ball and not so great individual play at the next level. Just look at all the UNC players that have been drafted since then and tell me one that has become anything more than just a role player in the NBA.

As for Hansbrough going top 3, HAH! He'll be lucky if he gets drafted in the lottery. Unless he develops a killer jumpshot there's no way he'll ever be anything in the NBA.

[dav7z]

Nobody on UNCs current roster will amount to anything more than just decent role players in the league. The way Roy has the system set up right now it translates into really great team college ball and not so great individual play at the next level. Just look at all the UNC players that have been drafted since then and tell me one that has become anything more than just a role player in the NBA.

As for Hansbrough going top 3, HAH! He'll be lucky if he gets drafted in the lottery. Unless he develops a killer jumpshot there's no way he'll ever be anything in the NBA.


Roy has been in Carolina three mabe four seasons.
First ever player has a role so lets just say starters.
1st Felton is a starter and is a nice NBA player.
2nd Mccants another starter this year.
3rd May if not injered can ball and would be starting
All loto picks the same year . After that Roy has had to rebuild back to a no1. Yes hes got at least three pro players on this years roster. Thats not bad in his short span.
1st Its Ellington might have as nice of a looking shot as Ray Allen. No hes no Allen yet but has a great shot.Can play D has the speed and size.
2nd Lawson hes a speed deamond could start or be a decent back up on a NBA TEAM.
3. Hans , will play pro ball i think as a nice key back up player bring energy off the beanch.
4.Green will play for sombody solid scorer, very solid defender, Has a good handle, can play four positions . He will make a roster some where.
5.Ginyard , A defencive stoper allways room for.
Thats five players who should play pro ball . So don't come off trying to say UNC can't produce a pro player.
UNC has produced along with UCLA more pro stars than any other colleges than i can think of in my life time.
So don't come off saying Unc CAN'T PRODUCE STARS. Don't go over board on trying to get out your point.
Lets just say Hansborough will be a nice pro but not a star. Its no need to try and attack UNC to prove that point.

[CMc$]

Hansbrough's game will belong in the NBA. It'll fit in the NBA kind of like Dudley's game. he'll be a great glue guy, grabbing rebounds, motivating the team, and his jump shot is solid.

That, and while we're on the subject, Lawson could seriously be a solid NBA player. You never really know with anyone though so we will just have wait and see.

That, and I don't think Hansbrough is going pro this year. Why would you, stay a little longer, become #1 or #2 all time Carolina scorer. You'll be a god to the fans for decades. That, when compared to going to the NBA where everyone will call you a no good washed up Carolina player and talk about how their team should've drafted someone else.

[dnbman]

Nobody on UNCs current roster will amount to anything more than just decent role players in the league. The way Roy has the system set up right now it translates into really great team college ball and not so great individual play at the next level. Just look at all the UNC players that have been drafted since then and tell me one that has become anything more than just a role player in the NBA.

As for Hansbrough going top 3, HAH! He'll be lucky if he gets drafted in the lottery. Unless he develops a killer jumpshot there's no way he'll ever be anything in the NBA.


I didn't pay attention to all of this, so forgive me if this post is idiotic.

Just wanted to add Marvin Williams to the list of Roy coached UNC guys who is starting to look like a baller. He's averaging 14 and 6 this year on a squad loaded with players like him. He looks like he'll turn into a solid player.

As for Hansbrough, I'm one of the folks who thinks he has bust written all over him. His passion allows him be a great player in the college game. In the pros, it'll translate to Brezec-esque whining. The only teams that I think could do much with him are very strong systems who could use him for 15 minutes a night, ala the Spurs. And even then, I have question marks.
Roy has been in Carolina three mabe four seasons.
First ever player has a role so lets just say starters.
1st Felton is a starter and is a nice NBA player.
2nd Mccants another starter this year.
3rd May if not injered can ball and would be starting
All loto picks the same year . After that Roy has had to rebuild back to a no1. Yes hes got at least three pro players on this years roster. Thats not bad in his short span.
1st Its Ellington might have as nice of a looking shot as Ray Allen. No hes no Allen yet but has a great shot.Can play D has the speed and size.
2nd Lawson hes a speed deamond could start or be a decent back up on a NBA TEAM.
3. Hans , will play pro ball i think as a nice key back up player bring energy off the beanch.
4.Green will play for sombody solid scorer, very solid defender, Has a good handle, can play four positions . He will make a roster some where.
5.Ginyard , A defencive stoper allways room for.
Thats five players who should play pro ball . So don't come off trying to say UNC can't produce a pro player.
UNC has produced along with UCLA more pro stars than any other colleges than i can think of in my life time.
So don't come off saying Unc CAN'T PRODUCE STARS. Don't go over board on trying to get out your point.
Lets just say Hansborough will be a nice pro but not a star. Its no need to try and attack UNC to prove that point.

[Alex]

Nobody on UNCs current roster will amount to anything more than just decent role players in the league. The way Roy has the system set up right now it translates into really great team college ball and not so great individual play at the next level. Just look at all the UNC players that have been drafted since then and tell me one that has become anything more than just a role player in the NBA.

As for Hansbrough going top 3, HAH! He'll be lucky if he gets drafted in the lottery. Unless he develops a killer jumpshot there's no way he'll ever be anything in the NBA.


Roy has been in Carolina three mabe four seasons.
First ever player has a role so lets just say starters.
1st Felton is a starter and is a nice NBA player.
2nd Mccants another starter this year.
3rd May if not injered can ball and would be starting
All loto picks the same year . After that Roy has had to rebuild back to a no1. Yes hes got at least three pro players on this years roster. Thats not bad in his short span.
1st Its Ellington might have as nice of a looking shot as Ray Allen. No hes no Allen yet but has a great shot.Can play D has the speed and size.
2nd Lawson hes a speed deamond could start or be a decent back up on a NBA TEAM.
3. Hans , will play pro ball i think as a nice key back up player bring energy off the beanch.
4.Green will play for sombody solid scorer, very solid defender, Has a good handle, can play four positions . He will make a roster some where.
5.Ginyard , A defencive stoper allways room for.
Thats five players who should play pro ball . So don't come off trying to say UNC can't produce a pro player.
UNC has produced along with UCLA more pro stars than any other colleges than i can think of in my life time.
So don't come off saying Unc CAN'T PRODUCE STARS. Don't go over board on trying to get out your point.
Lets just say Hansborough will be a nice pro but not a star. Its no need to try and attack UNC to prove that point.



You didn't read my post very clearly or you took offense immediately because you're a carolina fan. What I said is that carolina players won't develop into star players if they play for too long under Roy's system. They are skilled enough to make it in the NBA but as nothing more than just role players.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

I think Paul Peirce turned out pretty well in Roy's system when he was with KU. quote author=Alex link=topic=5599.msg28878#msg28878 date=1206893661]




Nobody on UNCs current roster will amount to anything more than just decent role players in the league. The way Roy has the system set up right now it translates into really great team college ball and not so great individual play at the next level. Just look at all the UNC players that have been drafted since then and tell me one that has become anything more than just a role player in the NBA.

As for Hansbrough going top 3, HAH! He'll be lucky if he gets drafted in the lottery. Unless he develops a killer jumpshot there's no way he'll ever be anything in the NBA.


Roy has been in Carolina three mabe four seasons.
First ever player has a role so lets just say starters.
1st Felton is a starter and is a nice NBA player.
2nd Mccants another starter this year.
3rd May if not injered can ball and would be starting
All loto picks the same year . After that Roy has had to rebuild back to a no1. Yes hes got at least three pro players on this years roster. Thats not bad in his short span.
1st Its Ellington might have as nice of a looking shot as Ray Allen. No hes no Allen yet but has a great shot.Can play D has the speed and size.
2nd Lawson hes a speed deamond could start or be a decent back up on a NBA TEAM.
3. Hans , will play pro ball i think as a nice key back up player bring energy off the beanch.
4.Green will play for sombody solid scorer, very solid defender, Has a good handle, can play four positions . He will make a roster some where.
5.Ginyard , A defencive stoper allways room for.
Thats five players who should play pro ball . So don't come off trying to say UNC can't produce a pro player.
UNC has produced along with UCLA more pro stars than any other colleges than i can think of in my life time.
So don't come off saying Unc CAN'T PRODUCE STARS. Don't go over board on trying to get out your point.
Lets just say Hansborough will be a nice pro but not a star. Its no need to try and attack UNC to prove that point.



You didn't read my post very clearly or you took offense immediately because you're a carolina fan. What I said is that carolina players won't develop into star players if they play for too long under Roy's system. They are skilled enough to make it in the NBA but as nothing more than just role players.
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