Would you trade Wallace for a draft pick and extras?

[ammofan]

I saw this topic being discussed on Realgm.com. I think I would trade Wallace for a draft pick.

say we got #3 pick and maybe a few fillers for Wallace and Othella and maybe like Hollins. We could draft a player like Brook Lopez or Deandre Jordan.....and then with our pick(lets say pick #7-8) we could draft OJ Mayo or Eric Gordan.

Then with the extra money from not having Wallace or Othella we can sign Antawn Jamison.

2007-08 Roster
PG: Mayo/Felton
SG: Richardson/Carroll/DA
SF: Morrison/ FA or second rounder
PF: Jamison/May
C: Brook Lopez/ Okafor

[ohara831]

That is what Spectre and I were dicussing on another Thread the other day. I would like to do that, and then see if we can do a sign and trade with Okafor and land a 3rd Lottery pick. A couple of decent players thrown in and it would be great. If we land 3 Lottery picks, place them around Ray and J-Rich, and I would be happy. Spectre was talking about the Bucks with one trade, and along with their #1 pick, them giving us Bell and CV. Two quality bench players, no doubt.

[Chris#3]

Are you serious?? You'll trade him for 1 draft pick??? ???

[dvdbumpus]

How about you insert Okafor instead.

[Icky Thump]

I saw this topic being discussed on Realgm.com. I think I would trade Wallace for a draft pick.

say we got #3 pick and maybe a few fillers for Wallace and Othella and maybe like Hollins. We could draft a player like Brook Lopez or Deandre Jordan.....and then with our pick(lets say pick #7-8) we could draft OJ Mayo or Eric Gordan.

Then with the extra money from not having Wallace or Othella we can sign Antawn Jamison.

2007-08 Roster
PG: Mayo/Felton
SG: Richardson/Carroll/DA
SF: Morrison/ FA or second rounder
PF: Jamison/May
C: Brook Lopez/ Okafor



I see exactly where you are going and I agree that is something we should definitely look into. The fact is it would be easier to find a quality guard player than a quality post player later in the draft. If we are going to move Okafor (And I pray we do so we can get SOMETHING in return) we will need a top notch big.

Wallace has the most value for us outside of J-Rich. He has the concussion issues and we have some players who play well and fit in at the guard/small forward spots as is... J-Rich, Dudley, Carroll, Felton.... we arent going to get Okafor to play up to potential so move him for a pick or guard (should be quality guard in return one way or the other to help ease the loss of Wallace) and then trade Wallace to somehow get a quality post player that actually will play for us.

I'm not saying its something we should do.. its something that we should consider... depending on the situations out there.

Again, I love Wallace and hope he wouldn't have to go. To me this really wouldn't be such an issue if Okafor would play to his ability.. I just don't believe he wants to be here.

[davcbow]

Whats our chances of actually doing something like this? 10%? 90%? I too would love to see a lineup like that.

2007-08 Roster
PG: Mayo/Felton
SG: Richardson/Carroll/DA
SF: Morrison/ FA or second rounder
PF: Jamison/May
C: Brook Lopez/ Okafor

That would be awesome, but my only worry would be "May" will he be able to play again? Not so worried about "Morrison" I think he will be back. Wont DA be a free agent at the end of the season? That would be 10 under contract with 5 more to go which they could resign DA and 4 others if need be, sure have had to use all our players this season and then some..... :g:

[TheBeagle]

Are you serious?? You'll trade him for 1 draft pick??? ???
I agree with this assessment. Take away his value to diehard Bobcats fans, and looking at it objectively, GW is worth more than a single draft pick, outside of "Be Easy," and possibly Rose. Other than that, no way in hell would I go for that. Mek? Sure. Matty? Yes. Raymond? Okay. GW or JRich? Nuh-uh. It really doesn't even make any sense, outside of the two underclassmen mentioned above. And this Brook Lopez? The guy is the worst rebounder for a 7 footer I've ever seen (Brad Sellers was slightly before my time, but I heard he was a pretty bad rebounder too). His hobbies are all things Disney and Michael Jackson. He has project/probable bust written all over him. Uh...yeah, this guy is an upgrade over Mek ::)

Also, I would be surprised if there were any teams willing to take on GW (his health issues, and unorthodox game) in exchange for their lottery pick PLUS another player or two, or future pick. That's a lot to give up for a player (who I love, God bless him), but is not the sort of player you build around solely. I think Mek would have the most value, but it's too late to move him for this upcoming draft :(

[dav7z]

With a contract like Wallace has . Hes going to bring in a very good player and two draft picks . Some one like a Granger or better. No way his value is worth just one draft pick.
I think and one would jump on Beasley for Wallace if we just talking a draft pick . Considering the very favorabble contract Wallace has.

[ohara831]

It was not for "just" a Draft pick in the question. It was for a Draft pick and players. I do not beleive you can just dismiss the issue offhand. You have to see tow things first:
1. Where is the Draft pick?
2. Who are the additional players?

If you are talking about a pick from #12-#16, I think that would be low unless we were also talking about a couple of very good players who could be very important to us as far as playing time, defense, rebounding and point production. On the other hand, if you are talking about a Top 5 pick, then I think only one additional player is required, and would still need to be someone who can be quite productive.

It really all depends upon with whom we are dealing. That is all I am saying.

[dav7z]

I think we could get Beasley easy . Him and a solid player off of who ever drafted him . If we could get Beasley and a good player for Wallace . I think i might do it.
Then sign and trade Okafor for a first [ no worse than a loto pick] and a player simler to say a Crarlie V.
Then we get Beasley, say a 8and and 10th pick .
I wouldn't mind Beasley, J Rich, Felton, Two more first round picks. And two solid role players to go along with Morrison May Nazz Carroll . Then sign Jamison as a free agent .
IMO we would be deap as hell in one year.
All that said i love the play of Wallace and hes a great player. But with his great contract he could pull Beasley for sure i think.

Doing somthing like that is somthing the Bobcats need to look at closely.
1. Felton. AND A [Okafor, FIRST ROUND LOTO PICK]
2. Carroll , Morrison . solid role player
3. Rich, Dudley
4. Jamison [free agent signing] , May, [Beasley for Wallace] 5. Beasley Nazz, LOTO pick say a Hibbert.[our first round pick]
Thinking like this kinda makes me want to think about trading Wallace only reason.

[ohara831]

I think we could get Beasley easy . Him and a solid player off of who ever drafted him . If we could get Beasley and a good player for Wallace . I think i might do it.
Then sign and trade Okafor for a first [ no worse than a loto pick] and a player simler to say a Crarlie V.
Then we get Beasley, say a 8and and 10th pick .
I wouldn't mind Beasley, J Rich, Felton, Two more first round picks. And two solid role players to go along with Morrison May Nazz Carroll . Then sign Jamison as a free agent .
IMO we would be deap as hell in one year.
All that said i love the play of Wallace and hes a great player. But with his great contract he could pull Beasley for sure i think.

Doing somthing like that is somthing the Bobcats need to look at closely.
1. Felton. AND A [Okafor, FIRST ROUND LOTO PICK]
2. Carroll , Morrison . solid role player
3. Rich, Dudley
4. Jamison [free agent signing] , May, [Beasley for Wallace] 5. Beasley Nazz, LOTO pick say a Hibbert.[our first round pick]
Thinking like this kinda makes me want to think about trading Wallace only reason.

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One of the things I have noticed over time is that no matter where you go to read, people always greatly over value their own team players. It happends here, it happens everywhere.

Beasley will be far in excess the player Crash is. That is not saying anything bad about Crash. It is saying that Beasley is a special talent. People with his size, scoring ability (down inside or from 3 pt range) and rebounding ability dont come along very often. Beasley and another player for Crash? No. You have it backwards. Maybe Crash and a serviceable player for Beasley if the team drafting him is already set with a PF.

[dav7z]

1st Beasley has proven nothing, nothing. Yes hes a should go one in the draft.
But thats it.
Crash on the other hand is a proven 20ppg player . He is a top defender proven . Fills stats sheets proven , Can rebound block shots ,rebound, steal passes , and plays three positions proven. His contract is one of the most desired contracts in the NBA. At a low 9.5 milion a year. Twenty point per game scorers useally get about 15 milion a year. He has experiance but still young just entering his prime. And you say im puting to much value on Crash.
I have to disagree with you hear saying a unproven player has more value than CRASH . This guy has not even played one pro game . You looking only at up side. I would not even consider doing somthing like that except we have J.RICH now and they both play better at the three. All so Rich doesent even have the same value as CRASH due to Contracts.
Dollar for Dollar Crash is a top 10 proven talent in the NBA. So you can't come off saying a unproven talent has more value then Crash.

[ohara831]

Yes I can. When it's Beasley, yes I can. You can more easily replace an above avg SG or SF than you can an exceptional PF. It is just a matter of the available talent pool. It is always harder to find an exceptional PF or C as opposed to finding that in a SG or SF. And with Crash, while he is certainly very good and above avg, he is not in the exceptional class.
Also, we have to see if he is even going to come back to the level he was at before he got injured. You dont want to hold onto someone too long and lose any possible trade options if a perception starts to exist that someone is "damaged goods". I hope that does not happen with Crash, but he has to start getting back to his pre-injury self fairly soon or that talk will start going around. You can already see it on some trade talk on the RealGM Boards.

[jiff65]

Sorry, proponents of this thread. I think this proposition is nuts. You are talking abut trading a proven player and a proven leader with a proven work ethic - for what, more uncertainty, another potential Sean May? The problem with our team is the coach, pure and simple. Put someone with some brains and experience in there, and we'll win games. I think the poor showing this year - which I lay at Biscuit and MJ's doorstep - does not reflect this team's true potential. Let's add to our base, not make draconian changes based on today's exigencies.

[dre1218us]

All things considered...this would be a good move to make, as long as it's a top 5 pick.

Wallace is already as good as he's going to get, and he's not a franchise player, or even a player you can build around offensively. His stock is as high as it's going to get, and if you can trade him for a top 5 pick this year, it's something you'd definitely have to consider.

It looks like the roof with this current team is middle of the pack in the East...with a player like Mayo, Rose or Beasley on the roster, things immediately look better.

This situation is unlikely though, because there aren't any Detroit Pistons this year, as far as top teams that luck into a top pick. None of the teams in the front of the lottery are going to need a player like him.

[ohara831]

Dre: Dont be surprised to see the Knicks want to do something. They need new players, and they need high character players. The Bucks might be interested, and a couple other Lottery teams. I love Gerald as a player and an individual in his community. But if business dictates a trade is in our best interest, you gotta do it IF it can make you better. Same with Okafor.

[spectre]

It'd depend on what the "extras" were.

So far as trading for ONE pick...Beasley for instance...Dav7 is correct IMO that Crash is worth more just for the fact he's a proven game changer at the NBA level. He has struggled somewhat this year adapting to Swish and now in coming back from injury, but let's not forget those 40 point stat stuffing games this man has given us.

On the flip most teams wouldn't give up that 1st or even 2nd pick for Crash as the lottery is the hope for the desperate. The unknown almost always looks better than it will be and teams will attach a very high price...usually an unrealistic price.

We could easily have been having this conversation in the '06 draft; imagine if we'd traded Crash for Bargnani.

Maybe Beasley or Rose will be the next LBJ...but remember how many of those come along.

It'd take a lot for me to move him...talking major retail. I'd want a top 7 pick, a borderline starter and a future pick or a legitimate core piece along with that lotto pick.

We got Swish not for just a pick...GSW also got the ability to keep Monta and Biedrens. That TE was huge for them and we should expect something just as huge for Crash.

[Slam]

I'd trade Crash (and what ever filler or took) for a freshly signed Iggy and move Swish to the SF.

Adding Iggy would automatically improve our ball movement and our teams collective basketball IQ.

Then I'd draft Hibbet - which would also improve our ball movement and teams collective IQ.

Finally, I'd try and get back in the mid 1st and draft who ever drops out of DJ, Collison, Lawson, Westbrook or Weaver as our starting or back up PG.

Felts - DJ
Iggy - Hammer
Swish - Dude
EO50 - McMay - Davidson
Hibbert - Nazzy - Twiggy

[ohara831]

I like that approach. I am not so sure if I want Hibbert, or if I would try Love from UCLA. Hibbert is better from a Defensive presence, no doubt. But Love, he is much more offense and his passing skills for a big man are incredible. I can see him getting a feed down low, and whipping it to the open man anywhere on the court. But, Hibbert would not be a bad selection.

[MattD]

I'd trade Crash (and what ever filler or took) for a freshly signed Iggy and move Swish to the SF.

Adding Iggy would automatically improve our ball movement and our teams collective basketball IQ.

Then I'd draft Hibbet - which would also improve our ball movement and teams collective IQ.

Finally, I'd try and get back in the mid 1st and draft who ever drops out of DJ, Collison, Lawson, Westbrook or Weaver as our starting or back up PG.

Felts - DJ
Iggy - Hammer
Swish - Dude
EO50 - McMay - Davidson
Hibbert - Nazzy - Twiggy


never would happen, phila loves iggy and why would they mess up their stellar chemistry.

We need to dish wallace to Milwaukee for their first (only if top 5) and Charlie V. I like that approach, and could see Mil pulling for that as they NEED to shift gears and someone good or else their franchise will be eaten alive. Redd and Wallace... Sounds pretty good together.

But lets not get ahead of ourselves. I really, really, really, doubt we will see any Wallace moves made. He has a killer contract, and he is the heart of the bobcats. Southern Bama boy who works hard and is super athletic, I just dont see MJ having the balls to move him and really shake things up, not that thats the answer to our problems either.

Really though, I think somehow duds should be in the starting lineup. Dude can play great, and is such a glue guy and does the the little things...

HOW ABOUT::::

Ray
Eric Gordon (From Mils draft pick)
Jrich
Dudley
Charlie V.

we would be undersized, seriously, but pretty dirty. Everyone could shoot threes. Everyone. Who cares if we get beat up a little on the inside, I honestly believe thats a much better team, because weve got a go-to in Jrich, a glue/little things in duds, and big body who can shoot in Vil, Gordon is just so explosive and and terrific shooter, and ray is a penetration guy and can dish to Gordon, Rich, Dudley, or Vill. Wow. I like it.

If we got super lucky, put beasley in at pf. move jrich to sg, duds at sf. Wed also be sick.

[ohara831]

Matt: From your scenario, you have 2 top 8 picks, ours and the Bucks. I see you taking Eric Gordon with the Bucks, but you dont mention who you would take with ours. You dont see a to 8 person as possibly a starter or major player?

[MattD]

Matt: From your scenario, you have 2 top 8 picks, ours and the Bucks. I see you taking Eric Gordon with the Bucks, but you dont mention who you would take with ours. You dont see a to 8 person as possibly a starter or major player?


Hmm well, I sort of left that one up in the air, because top 8 is lovely, but I dont see an immediate starter, now the way things could play out, we might be able to pull Gordon as the 8, and pick someone else up higher up, say if we got lucky with mil's pick and pulled #1 or #2.

But if Gordon, Beasley, Bayless, and Rose are off the table, probably lopez too, which they all will be, I would select Augsitin as the 8. Now this is premature as workouts tell alot about a player, but what defines him for me is that he is very solid, but his work ethic is outstanding.

Work ethic is what defines greatness in the NBA and sports. If he is in the gym all summer for 6 hours working on improving, he will improve, significantly. He is a potential big-timer.

It takes great basketball skills to make it to the NBA, so after that its up to you.

Thats why some second-rounders become great. Gilbert works his ass off outside of practice and games to elevate. Kobe, Lebron, all of them work hard, and if we could pick up a player with similar competitiveness and work ethic, I personally value that above college level skills.

on another note, for the second round, maybe look for Sean Singletary to surprise. He also has that competitiveness and work ethic. (Hard for me to praise a UVA guy at that being a VT fan)

[MattD]

oh yeah, and ive decided now too, I dont keep okafor, let him dive in the cold waters.

He has no passion/desire during most of the season, (going hand in hand with what I was talking about) and therefore is no good to us

Maybe if he played for a different winning team he would be great because he would feel like he had something to play for, but I dont see that here, and theres no point in resigning him to a dooming contract for this franchise.

Some days I wish I was GM :g:
(see below)

[ohara831]

MattD : You make some really good points. I would not want both Gordon and Augustin as we need a big with one of those picks.

Beagle: I usually agree with most of what you say, but I have to disagree about Brook Lopez. Guy has heart, desire and a lot of talent. Did you see him destroy Marquette tonight in the 2nd half. 28 2nd half points and the game winner with 1.2 seconds left on a very difficult turn around down off the blocks. I recongnize he is not a defensive presence, but he is solid at rebounding and scoring. Combining him and Nazr at the Center position will be good for us in my opinion. As far as bigs, he is much better than DeAndre Jordan. This guy cannot play 15 minutes now for his college team. Just did not develope as they thought. I see another Kwame Brown or Candy Man in the making.

[dre1218us]

Dre: Dont be surprised to see the Knicks want to do something. They need new players, and they need high character players. The Bucks might be interested, and a couple other Lottery teams. I love Gerald as a player and an individual in his community. But if business dictates a trade is in our best interest, you gotta do it IF it can make you better. Same with Okafor.


Are those guys gonna have picks worthy of trading Wallace for though?

[MattD]

I dont know much about Lopez, but I know hes got a nice midrange and his pretty big. depending on where we land, if we could go Lopez Augustin I would be down with that too.

Your right though, if we let Oka go, under my situation (which MIL could verywell not except, they arent that awful, kinda like us, and maybe they want their pick) we'd have charlie V. and Dudley and MAYBE May and Nazr. Those guys are good but a real legit 7 foot center would make that very decent.

[spectre]

Crash's BYC status will make him right difficult (esp. in a one on one) to trade...think that goes away after 1 year? In a BYC situation we can only take back half his salary in recompensation...and that expires AFTER the draft.

Milwaukee wanted him last year. We'd probably have to take Mason back in any trade but he'd be an expiring...so that's not all bad.

I still don't really see anything I'd trade him to NY for. Every player on that roster is either severely overpaid or on a rookie deal.

[MattD]

Crash's BYC status will make him right difficult (esp. in a one on one) to trade...think that goes away after 1 year? In a BYC situation we can only take back half his salary in recompensation...and that expires AFTER the draft.

Milwaukee wanted him last year. We'd probably have to take Mason back in any trade but he'd be an expiring...so that's not all bad.

I still don't really see anything I'd trade him to NY for. Every player on that roster is either severely overpaid or on a rookie deal.


If it does expire after the draft, it wouldnt make a difference for my deal. Charlie V. makes 3.48 Million next year. Wallace makes around 8.5. Actually to make it really work wed probably have to take Charlie Bell too, which I would be down with. So Charlie Bell and Charlie V. and Mil's 1st for Wallace. Ima check it in the espn trade checker.

[MattD]

After review... my trade scenario would not work. and needs work. Off to fiddling with memphis and Minnesota

[ammofan]

Well after watching more of eric Gordon on Youtube....I am kinda sold that he would definatley fit in well here. So it got me thinking....Why dont we trade wallace for the 4th pick and draft Gordon...then with our pick(pick8-9) we can pick a big man like DeAndre Jordan, Hasheem Thabeet, Donte Green, or even Kevin Love.
Then maybe we could trade Okafor to Chicago for Hinrich/Noah/10th pick.......with the 10th pick we could pick up another big man from the 4 guys I listed above or maybe OJ Mayo if he is available

[Chef]

kevin love should have buried jordan's stock last night as well as vaulting up. as someone else said somewhere on the planet, jordan looks like a kwame. love dominated him and love is 6'9". i would get rid of oak and draft love. i think he is a player, maybe never a superduperstar but definitely a solid big and tons of heart a'la duds

[MattD]

Well after watching more of eric Gordon on Youtube....I am kinda sold that he would definatley fit in well here. So it got me thinking....Why dont we trade wallace for the 4th pick and draft Gordon...then with our pick(pick8-9) we can pick a big man like DeAndre Jordan, Hasheem Thabeet, Donte Green, or even Kevin Love.
Then maybe we could trade Okafor to Chicago for Hinrich/Noah/10th pick.......with the 10th pick we could pick up another big man from the 4 guys I listed above or maybe OJ Mayo if he is available


1. Okafor wont be under contract, so we cannot just "trade" him, he doesnt have to, and probably doesnt want, to resign with us.

2. Trading Wallace for just a pick would be a steal for a team unless its a top 2 pick. If its not, salary considerations are most likely going to get in the way, as the other team would be over the cap

3. I have no love for Kevin Love. (throw-in that out there)

[ohara831]

Kevin Love will have 2x the NBA career of Tyler H. He will be better than DeAndre Jordan, and the only one I think which will compare with an NBA career is Lopez of Stanford. But Lopez is a true Center, Love will play PF. Notice how he also hits the 3 with consistency? Something no PF we have has any clue how to do. Love in place of Okafor would be a huge step forward. A front line starting of Nazr and Love would be just fine for me right now.

[MattD]

Kevin Love will have 2x the NBA career of Tyler H. He will be better than DeAndre Jordan, and the only one I think which will compare with an NBA career is Lopez of Stanford. But Lopez is a true Center, Love will play PF. Notice how he also hits the 3 with consistency? Something no PF we have has any clue how to do. Love in place of Okafor would be a huge step forward. A front line starting of Nazr and Love would be just fine for me right now.


remember mays game winning 3 :wink:

I still think May might be able to play and come back, it will be interesting to see unfold.

[dav7z]

Two to me none of those guys inpressed me enough to even consider trading Crash . You guys are talking good college players who would not be much help for us for the next two years. Hibbert , Love , Lopez, Jordan, Gordon, OMG Would you consider trading Tyler Hans or a Crrry, for Crash . If you [THINK ]its not a hell of of a lot of differance. Beasley and a nice roal player OR one of the other players you talking about and a starter. Other Wize Crash needs to stay in a Bobcats jersey.Trading him for less would not be to smart at all.
Okafor on the other hand i would not mind trading for one of those guys as long as the contract we took back to make the money balance out wasn't a bad contract. I think its more likely a sign and trade will be worked out . I look to see talks about Jamison, Arenas, Jefferson and a long list of free agents next year . Some trades might include thair first round pick outers might include ours. Somthing like a Okafor and a 1st for a Jefferson. It's a lot of ways things could be worked out but just giving up our core players Crash and Okafor for just draft prospects along is not good moves.

[Chef]

agreed, not for wallace. the only problem, is that if love's stock stays the same, we could get him and another player by trading okafor and with our pick we could get another good rookie guard or even trade it for a vet we need.

[timang]

no to trading wallace. not by a long shot

[WarioVsMooChicken]

no to trading wallace. not by a long shot


yea that

[MattD]

You guys are right, I just had an epiphany, WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING, trading Gerald would be the absolute wrong move, especially for draft picks. He is a great player, at a great contract, a great defender, and a great competitor. He wants to win and he wants the fans to love the team. He and Jason Richardson are now my untouchables. Trade him for Beasley, no way.

I think a good coach and a good supporting teammates could make this thing work. Gerald and Jrich are two great building blocks

[ohara831]

You guys are right, I just had an epiphany, WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING, trading Gerald would be the absolute wrong move, especially for draft picks. He is a great player, at a great contract, a great defender, and a great competitor. He wants to win and he wants the fans to love the team. He and Jason Richardson are now my untouchables. Trade him for Beasley, no way.

I think a good coach and a good supporting teammates could make this thing work. Gerald and Jrich are two great building blocks
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You were thinking for yourself, using cognitive reasoning, and coming up with an out of the box solution. Trading Crash is not desired, but you must ALWAYS be open to listen. You never know when someone may blow your doors off with an offer that has to be taken. Dont actively push him in a trade, but listen if someone approaches you with something that can make the team better.

[dav7z]

[quote=MattD ]


You were thinking for yourself, using cognitive reasoning, and coming up with an out of the box solution. Trading Crash is not desired, but you must ALWAYS be open to listen. You never know when someone may blow your doors off with an offer that has to be taken. Dont actively push him in a trade, but listen if someone approaches you with something that can make the team better.

Ohara, i know you have been a fan of trading our core and starting over.
I don't agree with trading our whole core . But i do like the fact you open minded about all our players . I feel like you if the right trade came along ALL of our players are tradeable. Agreeded Rich and Wallace are all most untouchable notice i said all most.
Beasley and a good average starter i think would make me think very hard. I REALLY DON'T THINK THATS TO MUCH for Wallace with his great contract and all the things he can do .

[Chris#3]

Off topic: Why has been Gerald taking way less shots lately??? has anybody notice???

[Slam]

He's concentrating more on D and shutting down the opposing teams better player/s.

That's my guess.

[MattD]

He's concentrating more on D and shutting down the opposing teams better player/s.

That's my guess.


and I like the result

[davcbow]

He is letting JRich do what we got him for, be the go to guy and that way he can focus on defence more. :g:

[jiff65]

Fellow Bobcats Planet-mates, we need a new coach and some patience. We have the ingredients of a good team. Our guys need proper instruction, they need consistent roles, and they will ultimately learn their roles and gel. The last few games exemplify the beginnings of what I'm talking about. Panicking, by rushing out and buying into fading stars or semi-stars with big contracts will not benefit us in the short, medium or long run. That approach didn't work for the Knicks, and it won't work for us. The primary problem is with the coach - he may be a nice guy, and he may eventually be a good coach - but he was not the right choice for this team at this time. Time for MJ to cut the losses, chalk this up to experience, and bring in someone who will have the players' confidence, and who will be here for a while.

[Chris#3]

That sucks. I kinda have no use of watching the Bobcats play anymore. I'll still be for the Bobcats being how they're my second team, though.

[dvdbumpus]

If I could get a decent player and trade up to draft Derrick Rose, I'd definitely look into trading Wallace.

[dav7z]

If I could get a decent player and trade up to draft Derrick Rose, I'd definitely look into trading Wallace.



Agreeded it would have to be a Rose or a Beasley and a solid player . As Crash has one of the best contracts in the NBA.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Sorry, proponents of this thread. I think this proposition is nuts. You are talking abut trading a proven player and a proven leader with a proven work ethic - for what, more uncertainty, another potential Sean May? The problem with our team is the coach, pure and simple. Put someone with some brains and experience in there, and we'll win games. I think the poor showing this year - which I lay at Biscuit and MJ's doorstep - does not reflect this team's true potential. Let's add to our base, not make draconian changes based on today's exigencies.
I couldn't have said it any better and I agree 100%

Listening to the announcers form some other teams they feel we have underachieved as well. They never exactly blamed FHB but the insinuation was there. This team has the talent since the our last acquisition and trade to at least be a six seed in the East. We can't completely blame FHB but he deserves most of it. It has been obvious since about the third week of the season that the players have not bought into FHB or his system. 85% of the blame belongs with the coaches in my opinion. Fix that situation and we may have a chance next season.