Okafor for Jamison

[dav7z]

Oakfor through sign and trade for Jamison sign and trade. Would you do it . I think i would and i think both players would do it.

We have more experiance and a solid line up.
Felton,
Rich,
Wallace,
Jamison,
Nazz.
We draft the best center left , Hibbert ,Lopez, Love. Tabet .
With our 2nd round pick we steal a scoring combo guard .
[ Stephan Curry]
This along with Dudley ,Carroll,May and Morrison , Holins and Davidson Should about finish out our roster.
OMG I love the starting five with a very solid and scoring beanch.
Would you do it Okafor for Jamison
Your thoughts or the team and the line up.

[spectre]

Kind of similar to my draft Mayo thought, so yeah...I'd definitely consider it.  Instead of taking a big however I'm more inclined to agressively go after Diop in FA and take BPA in the draft (and hope Mayo falls to us).

Would WAS want Mek?

[ohara831]

Would have to strongly consider that move.

[Icky Thump]

I'd do it but I'd want a little extra in return considering the age difference.... Okafor has yet to hit his peak (I think he refuses to play up to his ability here) and Im not sure what Jamison will have left. What could the Wiz add in to sweeten the deal?

[davcbow]

Oakfor through sign and trade for Jamison sign and trade. Would you do it . I think i would and i think both players would do it.

We have more experiance and a solid line up.
Felton,
Rich,
Wallace,
Jamison,
Nazz.
We draft the best center left , Hibbert ,Lopez, Love. Tabet .
With our 2nd round pick we steal a scoring combo guard .
[ Stephan Curry]
This along with Dudley ,Carroll,May and Morrison , Holins and Davidson Should about finish out our roster.
OMG I love the starting five with a very solid and scoring beanch.
Would you do it Okafor for Jamison
Your thoughts or the team and the line up.


I like that call dav7z. I dont think Mek wants to be here and if what youve said about Jamison wanting to come home is true sounds like a excellant deal to me..... :g:

[dnbman]

Oakfor through sign and trade for Jamison sign and trade. Would you do it . I think i would and i think both players would do it.

We have more experiance and a solid line up.
Felton,
Rich,
Wallace,
Jamison,
Nazz.
We draft the best center left , Hibbert ,Lopez, Love. Tabet .
With our 2nd round pick we steal a scoring combo guard .
[ Stephan Curry]
This along with Dudley ,Carroll,May and Morrison , Holins and Davidson Should about finish out our roster.
OMG I love the starting five with a very solid and scoring beanch.
Would you do it Okafor for Jamison
Your thoughts or the team and the line up.


I think if we take Jamison, we go BPA, possibly targeting Mayo. Nazr is good enough to start for now, and all of those bigs are questionable. I'd rather trade one of our wings for another C than waste a draft pick on a guy that has a strong possibility of not panning out.

[MattD]

frankly, I dont think Stephen Curry will be good in the NBA.

Secondly, no way washington would do that unless Jamison flat out tells them he wont resign with them otherwise and they get no value for losing him. Ernie Grunfield is really really a good GM.

I think Jrich plays a better game at SF then at SG, and I have begun to question the effectiveness of Crash and Jrich together. Maybe another coach could figure it out, but it seems Jrich is better with another sniper on the floor with him. Draft Eric Gordon and figure out something for Wallace, probably a trade, maybe looking for a semi-legit center.

Say we go

Ray
Gordon
Rich
Jamison
Decent Center we acquire thanks to Gerald


Theres a lot of flexibility in what I just said, and maybe our pick isnt high enough for Gordon. Really, we dont know right now.

But yeah, to swap Okafor for Jamison, I'd be a happy camper.

Would washington, probably not.

[tamburello]

This is a very very optimistic trade proposal. I'd do it in a heartbeat. But does Ernie Grunfeld?
Wizards already have a center who does little on the offensive end, and does dirty jobs in the defense in Haywood. Why would they want to acquire another one?

They'll probably lose Arenas this summer, so they can't afford to lose 2 of their 3 stars at the same time. They'll do their best to keep Jamison. And if they try, they would keep him.

Dave, I know very well that you're very interested in Jamison, since you've personally talked to him about this subject. You've opened a lot of topics about Jamison. But I suppose you're too high on Jamison thing. IMHO, that hometown thing is valid for 36 years old half retired players who don't have energy to play more than 15 minutes per game. But Jamison can still do a lot even for a contender team, he doesn't have to go to a team who sees no light at the end of the tunnel in order to see playing time. Just saying that this is sooooo unlikely and don't be disappointed unless it happens.

Also, it's not so common in NBA to trade and a signed player for another signed player (I mean S&T for S&T is unlikely).

[dnbman]

This is a very very optimistic trade proposal. I'd do it in a heartbeat. But does Ernie Grunfeld?
Wizards already have a center who does little on the offensive end, and does dirty jobs in the defense in Haywood. Why would they want to acquire another one?

They'll probably lose Arenas this summer, so they can't afford to lose 2 of their 3 stars at the same time. They'll do their best to keep Jamison. And if they try, they would keep him.

Dave, I know very well that you're very interested in Jamison, since you've personally talked to him about this subject. You've opened a lot of topics about Jamison. But I suppose you're too high on Jamison thing. IMHO, that hometown thing is valid for 36 years old half retired players who don't have energy to play more than 15 minutes per game. But Jamison can still do a lot even for a contender team, he doesn't have to go to a team who sees no light at the end of the tunnel in order to see playing time. Just saying that this is sooooo unlikely and don't be disappointed unless it happens.

Also, it's not so common in NBA to trade and a signed player for another signed player (I mean S&T for S&T is unlikely).


Pretty true. Strangely, Jamison's accountant could have prayed for a better situation that what happened to Jamison's season-- leading a fairly successful team with the "super star" on the mend and the other key star often out hurt. Jamison showed he can still be an amazing contributor, if not the centerpiece of a team.

[dav7z]

Tamb in this case i hope you missed the boat . But with Arenas leaving and the age of Jamison the Wizzards might be better off doing a sign and trade . At least that way they get somthing of value for him . If we renounce Okafors contract we could offer Jamison a nice size contract anyway. That plus Jamison wanting to play at home makes me think it's not far fetched at all. A sign and trade helps both sides.
If we landed Jamison that takes care of the p/f problem so i think taking the BPA should work. Mayo would be a nice addition to the team . Adding to our core makes more sence to me than trying to trade it for a bunch of unproven rookies.
Adding a banger with that second pick would make a lot of sence to me all so .Tyler , H if hes not gone. Mays bangs good to . Or we could try another project player mabe the 7.7 center from UNC ,Ashville . His conditioning is bad but he might be good 20 mins a game,

[spectre]

IMHO, that hometown thing is valid for 36 years old half retired players who don't have energy to play more than 15 minutes per game. But Jamison can still do a lot even for a contender team, he doesn't have to go to a team who sees no light at the end of the tunnel in order to see playing time. Just saying that this is sooooo unlikely and don't be disappointed unless it happens.

Slam rained on my parade with this exact same point...and IMO it's very valid. If Arenas leaves Jamison could probably pull in MAX from WAS for at least 3 years, something like 16 per.

If I were Grunfeld there's no way I'd be trading for a big guy with a weak offensive game for 13 million when I have pretty much the same thing under contract for 5.5 & 6 over the next 2 years.

Love for it to happen though.

[tamburello]

Sure, our draft choices may affect Jamison's decision. But I'm still behind my words above. If only I would be wrong...

[TheBeagle]

I've stated often of late that management won't be making any waves with their current roster.....BUT, this is something I feel certain they would do. Alas, I'm with spectre, Matt, and Tambo in thinking Washington wants no part of Mek...

[dvdbumpus]

I agree with the others about Washington resigning Jamison. Arenas is as good as gone, and if they grab a competant point guard (which I think they'll do via trade by trading Deshawn Stevenson). They might also make a serious run on Monta Ellis. They did this once before with grabbing Arenas and they would be serious contenders with Ellis, Nick Young, Butler, Jamison and Haywood. I think they'll also draft a Point guard, or trade that in a package deal for some talent, likely at the point.

[TheLegend]

It would be nice if we could sign Agent 0 when his contract is expires but we already have three PG...

[MattD]

I agree with the others about Washington resigning Jamison. Arenas is as good as gone, and if they grab a competant point guard (which I think they'll do via trade by trading Deshawn Stevenson). They might also make a serious run on Monta Ellis. They did this once before with grabbing Arenas and they would be serious contenders with Ellis, Nick Young, Butler, Jamison and Haywood. I think they'll also draft a Point guard, or trade that in a package deal for some talent, likely at the point.


I wonder why so many people think Arenas is gone. Washington is a big market, behind Chicago, New York, and LA but in the second tier for sure, and he is pretty happy, has a big house and lots of friends. I think Arenas will be back before Jamison is.

[dvdbumpus]

I agree with the others about Washington resigning Jamison. Arenas is as good as gone, and if they grab a competant point guard (which I think they'll do via trade by trading Deshawn Stevenson). They might also make a serious run on Monta Ellis. They did this once before with grabbing Arenas and they would be serious contenders with Ellis, Nick Young, Butler, Jamison and Haywood. I think they'll also draft a Point guard, or trade that in a package deal for some talent, likely at the point.


I wonder why so many people think Arenas is gone. Washington is a big market, behind Chicago, New York, and LA but in the second tier for sure, and he is pretty happy, has a big house and lots of friends. I think Arenas will be back before Jamison is.


I think that they may be worried about Arenas' knee and feel they can win without him, and that money can be spent elsewhere to acquire talent.

Just my opinion though.

[MattD]

I agree with the others about Washington resigning Jamison. Arenas is as good as gone, and if they grab a competant point guard (which I think they'll do via trade by trading Deshawn Stevenson). They might also make a serious run on Monta Ellis. They did this once before with grabbing Arenas and they would be serious contenders with Ellis, Nick Young, Butler, Jamison and Haywood. I think they'll also draft a Point guard, or trade that in a package deal for some talent, likely at the point.


I wonder why so many people think Arenas is gone. Washington is a big market, behind Chicago, New York, and LA but in the second tier for sure, and he is pretty happy, has a big house and lots of friends. I think Arenas will be back before Jamison is.


I think that they may be worried about Arenas' knee and feel they can win without him, and that money can be spent elsewhere to acquire talent.

Just my opinion though.


The wizards would be disgustingly good if they had arenas. He brings a lot to the table. Though I think the loss of Jamison will hurt them. (Yeah I dont think hes going back to Washington)

[Keetch]

I HATE the idea of Nazr Mohammed being our starting center. The man has "slow feets" written all over him. Just despise the idea really.

I would not pay to see that team play. Way too weak and slow inside.

[Muttley]

I HATE the idea of Nazr Mohammed being our starting center. The man has "slow feets" written all over him. Just despise the idea really.

I would not pay to see that team play. Way too weak and slow inside.


Honestly, I think Okafor is our best center (despite his... whatever the hell's going on). However, we need a larger and more active(offensive) PF to compliment that.

On that note, I think Raymond needs to take Emeka out to dinner some night and ask him why he's done so poorly this season. Then, when Emeka responds that he's not sure, Raymond(thinking back on the way he's been mishandled as a player all season - nay, all career long) smacks him across the face, thus knocking the sense back into Mek.

But if Emeka doesn't want to be here, then our best bet is Nazr at C. He has played so much better than expected by most, and will be the best option if Emeka walks.

[Mustachio]

really really bad idea i think. not a true power forward by any stretch of the imagination. would leave us with
Nazr at starting Center. and Jamison is old man. there is no upside to this move. none... like him or hate him, Mek still has upside because of his youth. I just hate the idea of trading a big for a tweener that is 10 years older. and most importantly i dont think this move makes us any better at all. This move makes us older, but not better.



Make Mek the center.

[Icky Thump]

Guys... it's pretty damn obvious we cant MAKE Mek play the way he should. Most of us understand that if he wanted to he could be a force but he hasn't done nearly enough. Why keep the guy on potential alone if he just WONT play up to his potential on a somewhat consistent basis? Its a waste of time. If you think what he's given us in his time since after his rookie year is playing up to his potential then I definitely don't know why you'd want to keep him. Bottom line is he either needs to step it up or he needs to go. It's decision time. I'm not going to cry if he goes but if he stays with us he needs to play ball...

What some may not understand is that this is THE position that is most important to our lineup right now. If we could get some above average play down low we could be a playoff team quick and knowing that Okafor isn't playing to his potential makes it all the more frustrating.

[timang]

oak for jamison and ___(fill in the blanks) wouldn't be a bad thing. but then again, it's not making any sense for the wizards' part to let jamison go. wonder how our situation w/ EO50 would pan out...

[Chef]

how about a 3 team deal where mek goes to team #3, we get jamison and team #3 gives something to washington that they need? of course, draft picks etc are fair game too. i am functionally retarded with the trade machine and the rules (how come draft picks can't be dealt on the TM?) so someone can work this out.

also, if i was ray, i don't know that i would slap a man as large as mek in the face. definitely earl but not mek.

[Muttley]

also, if i was ray, i don't know that i would slap a man as large as mek in the face. definitely earl but not mek.


Hence why the thought of it makes me laugh.

[davcbow]

As long as Ray can run faster than Mek he has nothing to worry about..... :biggrin:

[MattD]

Mek definitely shows flashes every once in a while. Maybe Washington has what he wants. Maybe Houston is where hes gunning. Would he take a MLE to be at home on a good team? I think we would definitely match the offer if it was that low so Okafor is in a squeeze. Some kind of Sign and Trade would have to go down.

I dont know why you guys are anti Jamison. He has proven that he can still play at a very high level as an "old man" at 32. He regularly scores 28+ and gets more then 10 rebounds. He has a diverse group of post moves, from weird hooks to jumpers and can shoot the 3. We wouldnt have a banger per say, but we wouldn't be terrible on the inside either. Hollins is starting to show flashes too. This roadtrip has shown him off a little bit.

Steve Nash is playing his best ball at his older age. Dont write players off because of age, especially ones with the tenacity of Jamison. Imagine if we got Larry as coach, I think it would be very hard for Jamison not to come... oo I like the thought.

[spectre]

I dont know why you guys are anti Jamison.

Personally I'd love him here...but as Keetch mentioned Nazr isn't a starter; we'd need to bring in someone like Diop.

[Chef]

well this could render this board moot. taken from true hoop:

Mike Jones of The Washington Times: "Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas said last night that -- while he still plans on opting out this summer to sign a max deal -- he is willing to take a pay cut so the team can re-sign Antawn Jamison, who will be an unrestricted free agent. 'Just sign Antawn first, and I'll take the pay cut,' Arenas said. 'That way, we can keep the team intact. I want him to be a done deal first, then I'll go after that.' Arenas has one year left on his $65 million deal, but he previously said he would opt out to sign a six-year deal that would pay roughly $14 million a year. Jamison is making $16.36 million this season."

[dav7z]

Sounds to me thet Arenas and Washington both know Jamison want's to play for us. Kinda sounds like a last ditch effort to keep the team toghter . After the season is over i look to see a sign and trade so Washington can get somthing out the deal . Jamison and a loto protected first for Okafor We holding the cards . It just depends if the Bobcats want Jamison.

[MattD]

well this could render this board moot. taken from true hoop:

Mike Jones of The Washington Times: "Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas said last night that -- while he still plans on opting out this summer to sign a max deal -- he is willing to take a pay cut so the team can re-sign Antawn Jamison, who will be an unrestricted free agent. 'Just sign Antawn first, and I'll take the pay cut,' Arenas said. 'That way, we can keep the team intact. I want him to be a done deal first, then I'll go after that.' Arenas has one year left on his $65 million deal, but he previously said he would opt out to sign a six-year deal that would pay roughly $14 million a year. Jamison is making $16.36 million this season."


and you know what emeka said in an interview, "nothing is wrong," and "I am not even thinking about my contract," Typical NBA BS. You cannot say you dont want to be somewhere you currently arent.

Just wait and we will see