The Brook Lopez Thread

[Slam]

You can't deny the kid has great size for the NBA 5 spot. He runs the court well and is a wide bodied true 7 footer.

He has a varierty of post moves that he executes really well and more often than not commands a double team.

Only problem with him I have is that he doesn't seem like a quick thinker and doesn't really possess counter moves. Once he starts to execute his move, he'll try and complete it no matter how the D reacts. I think he'll get called for a lot of offensive fouls in the NBA.

Comparison: Jermaine (offense) meets Darko (defense)

Best Fit: Minni, Chicago, Pacers

[ohara831]

I'd have to take him for Charlotte if available when we pick. He just seems to be very smart game-wise. He plays under control from what I've seen, which is difficult for a big man who is so active. I think he possesses a lot of moves down low, so I'd grab him if we could. I dont see much Kwame potential in him. Maybe Brad Miller at worst.

[dnbman]

I'd have to take him for Charlotte if available when we pick. He just seems to be very smart game-wise. He plays under control from what I've seen, which is difficult for a big man who is so active. I think he possesses a lot of moves down low, so I'd grab him if we could. I dont see much Kwame potential in him. Maybe Brad Miller at worst.


Brad Miller at worst??!!!

If his worst is Brad Miller, I'll trade just about anybody on our team for him.

[Slam]

Agreed Dnb. Saying Brad Miller at worse is serisouly selling Brad Miller short!!

Plus, Lopez doesn't have any where NEAR the passing of Brad Miller.

[ohara831]

I was not trying to short change Miller. I just think Lopez is going to be a very good Center in the NBA.

[dnbman]

I was not trying to short change Miller. I just think Lopez is going to be a very good Center in the NBA.




And while he may be, I'll stick to my previous thread of assuming the worst with bigs. I think at this point, I'd rather take a chance on one of the highly touted pgs or Mayo than on Lopez.

[ohara831]

They lost tonight to Texas, but the big man showed why he is the best Center in College. He is is going to be the #3 pick, after Beasley and Rose. If the #2 team is set at PG, he may go #2.

[Slam]

Agreed ohara831 - he carried Stanford tonight. Noone else stepped up. BUT, he was playing against Texas. They have Atchley and Pittman as their bigs. A guy of Lopez's size and skill set SHOULD totally dominate the Longhorns. He shot 50% from the floor tonight. Against the Longhorns short line up he should have shot 60+%.

And I still say he is very methodical.

In saying that, if the Grizz do land the #3 pick, I think he would be a great fit there.

[ohara831]

He'd be a great fit if Charlotte lands the #3 pick, too!

[Slam]

To be honest, I don't see him as that much better than Hibbert (I have Hibbert to the Wolves picking #4 on my mock!!)

[Muttley]

Any chance of you Slammin that Mock Draft down on the Bobcats' Planet (or giving a link to where it might be found)?

[ohara831]

To be honest, I don't see him as that much better than Hibbert (I have Hibbert to the Wolves picking #4 on my mock!!)
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This will be one we have to disagree on. I see Lopez as tons better than Hibbert. A lot more moves down on the Posts.

[Keetch]

I'm not a fan either. I think he'll make a nice starter for a mediocre team; or a nice backup for a good team. I just don't see the athleticism.

Mostly hoping someone else takes him so the Cats aren't tempted.

My take is the PF spot...Randolph...Love...failing that the best PG available; which jeez sorry but I think that Ty Lawson is the best (honestly no homerism I swear it), but Augustin would be fine too.

Mayo scares the bejeezus outa me.

[Slam]

Any chance of you Slammin that Mock Draft down on the Bobcats' Planet (or giving a link to where it might be found)?


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Once the draft order is set and we know who is in the draft and who is going back to school I'm firm at my mock and post it.

At the moment it's all just guess work. If you really want to see it I'll create a thread for it though? Remember, it's just an early draft though!

[Slam]

To be honest, I don't see him as that much better than Hibbert (I have Hibbert to the Wolves picking #4 on my mock!!)
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This will be one we have to disagree on. I see Lopez as tons better than Hibbert. A lot more moves down on the Posts.


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The only thing I ask you to consider mate is this:

Lopez is the sole focus of the Stanford offense. It starts and ends with him. He scores 19ppg on 15 shot attempts per game over 31mpg.

The closest to him on the team is his brother who scores 10ppg on 7 shot attempts per game over 24mpg.

Hibbert averages 13ppg on only 8 shots per game over 26mpg. There are 4 other players on the Hoyas that average 10+ (or close enough to 10pts) per game.

So Hibbert gets as many mins and looks as Robin - no Brook.

The point is, Hibbert has a lot more talent around him with a much more balanced attack.

Give Roy as many mins and looks as Brook and you would see him score 20+ppg.

Plus, already in less mpg, Hibbert averages more assists and more blocks and in the extra 8mpg would no doubt average more rpg than B.Lopez too.

[Keetch]

Hibbert is very tall!! :)

[dvdbumpus]

To be honest, I don't see him as that much better than Hibbert (I have Hibbert to the Wolves picking #4 on my mock!!)
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This will be one we have to disagree on. I see Lopez as tons better than Hibbert. A lot more moves down on the Posts.


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The only thing I ask you to consider mate is this:

Lopez is the sole focus of the Stanford offense. It starts and ends with him. He scores 19ppg on 15 shot attempts per game over 31mpg.

The closest to him on the team is his brother who scores 10ppg on 7 shot attempts per game over 24mpg.

Hibbert averages 13ppg on only 8 shots per game over 26mpg. There are 4 other players on the Hoyas that average 10+ (or close enough to 10pts) per game.

So Hibbert gets as many mins and looks as Robin - no Brook.

The point is, Hibbert has a lot more talent around him with a much more balanced attack.

Give Roy as many mins and looks as Brook and you would see him score 20+ppg.

Plus, already in less mpg, Hibbert averages more assists and more blocks and in the extra 8mpg would no doubt average more rpg than B.Lopez too.


One flaw. When you say that the Hoyas have four other players that perform, it's basically sounding like he's not a focal point on offense so he gets easier looks and less double teams, unlike Lopez.

For example, would you say that Kobe Bryant, being the focal point on offense and given many shots, isn't as good as Richard Hamilton with all of the talent that performs around him being 4 players that score in double digits. Give Rip Hamilton the ball and put him in Kobe's shoes and there's no way he performs as well. Improved stats, yes, but as much of a game changer and results definitely not.


*Edit - Hamilton's stats would improve if he was the focus, but wouldn't be better than Kobe's by any means.

[timang]

though brook has more game, robin is a better sports playa 8) lolz

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/blog/ncaab_experts/post/Robin-Lopez-has-game-enough-game-to-bag-Miche?urn=ncaab,73648

[Slam]

One flaw. When you say that the Hoyas have four other players that perform, it's basically sounding like he's not a focal point on offense so he gets easier looks and less double teams, unlike Lopez.

For example, would you say that Kobe Bryant, being the focal point on offense and given many shots, isn't as good as Richard Hamilton with all of the talent that performs around him being 4 players that score in double digits. Give Rip Hamilton the ball and put him in Kobe's shoes and there's no way he performs as well. Improved stats, yes, but as much of a game changer and results definitely not.
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You're kidding..................right?

[dvdbumpus]

I think Hibbert is overrated IMO. When he has to be limited minutes and cannot keep up with the speed of a college game, just imagine what it'll be like at the NBA level.

Also, remember this stat line against Davidson: 6 points, 1 rebound, 1 block and 3 turnovers. 7 of 9 of his teammates had more rebounds than him in varying degrees of minutes.

He may be 7'2 but the NBA is much quicker which is his major weakness is that he's got slow legs. The likes of Dwight Howard and Amare against him with their quickness gives me nightmares.

[MattD]

plus sometimes the reason he gets less minutes is because he is in foul trouble. Now theres a problem worth worrying about

[Slam]

I think Hibbert is overrated IMO. When he has to be limited minutes and cannot keep up with the speed of a college game, just imagine what it'll be like at the NBA level.

Also, remember this stat line against Davidson: 6 points, 1 rebound, 1 block and 3 turnovers. 7 of 9 of his teammates had more rebounds than him in varying degrees of minutes.

He may be 7'2 but the NBA is much quicker which is his major weakness is that he's got slow legs. The likes of Dwight Howard and Amare against him with their quickness gives me nightmares.
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You're still kidding.....................right?

[Slam]

plus sometimes the reason he gets less minutes is because he is in foul trouble. Now theres a problem worth worrying about

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He averaged 2.7 fouls in college PLUS you get an additional foul in the NBA to burn. Him fouling out is not and has never been a problem.

He fouled out TWICE all season. For the entire season (which includes the Davidson game).

His fouling is not something to be concerned about.

[dvdbumpus]

I think Hibbert is overrated IMO. When he has to be limited minutes and cannot keep up with the speed of a college game, just imagine what it'll be like at the NBA level.

Also, remember this stat line against Davidson: 6 points, 1 rebound, 1 block and 3 turnovers. 7 of 9 of his teammates had more rebounds than him in varying degrees of minutes.

He may be 7'2 but the NBA is much quicker which is his major weakness is that he's got slow legs. The likes of Dwight Howard and Amare against him with their quickness gives me nightmares.
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You're still kidding.....................right?



Here's what ESPN has to say about Hibbert:


Is it time to stick a fork in Roy Hibbert's draft stock? The Georgetown big man has been on the NBA radar screen for the past three years but hasn't really shown much improvement. He ended his college career with 6 points and 1 rebound in 16 foul-plagued minutes against Davidson, which had zero size to match up against him. Hibbert should've been able to score at will, but he fell into foul trouble and out of the game.

Hibbert has great size and skill, but his lack of athleticism, rebounding and lateral quickness could really hurt him in the NBA. I haven't met a scout who's had him in the lottery since December. And it's rare to find him in the top 20 nowadays since most scouts believe he won't be anything but a decent backup in the league. Still, his size may help him into the mid-first round. vv

Sorry Slam, I just don't see where he's that great(in the terms of lottery). I like the Timberwolves taking a player that is seasoned since they are a very young team, but I think they'll go with D.J. Augustin to form a lethal backcourt of Augistin/Foye. Telfair is not the answer as a starter but is a good backup and spot starter on an improving team. They could also go with Bayless or Griffin who would open things up for Jefferson with both of their awesome offensive skills.


I'd even put Hibbert with the Bulls @ 10, Nets @ 15, but I like him best on the Cavs @ 19. He could develop into a great replacement for Zydrunas.

[dav7z]

Slam i allmost agree with you on this one , My first realistic choice is Love, then Hibbert , Shot me then the kid from Ucon then Lopez.
Lopez can play but his offence looks a lot like OK50s like a machine.And no where near as strong on defence.