Inevitable Possible Bigs Thread

[dnbman]

I started it!!!! :biggrin:

Now that Griffin is out of the draft, I'm quite concerned about us getting a big in the off-season. So, I started looking around for underused, inexpensive bigs that might work as our PF.

One that came to mind that might be had on the cheap is Ike Diogu. He's short, but he plays big. He did well in rebounds in blocks before the Warriors starting playing warp speed. He hasn't earned much time at Indiana, which is certainly some cause for alarm.

The good thing about him is that he's cheap and has some experience. He's only got a couple of seasons on his contract, so it wouldn't be that big of a contract to take on.

[MattD]

A trade I suggested, Raymond Felton for Sean Williams and Marcus Williams, gives us a center with Sean Williams, that could potentially develop into a strong contributer. Coupled with big time aquisitions of Lamar Odom and Antawn Jamison we could have a lovely starting five with 3 guys over or at 6'10.

Now do I think it will happen, no way in hell, it makes too much sense

[Muttley]

How much would it cost to get Diop? He's getting $2.1 million this year. No matter how we go in the draft, he would be a good addition (at the right price of course), in my humble opinion.

"3 guys over or at 6'10"??? For the Bobcats? Get outta town!

[dnbman]

A trade I suggested, Raymond Felton for Sean Williams and Marcus Williams, gives us a center with Sean Williams, that could potentially develop into a strong contributer. Coupled with big time aquisitions of Lamar Odom and Antawn Jamison we could have a lovely starting five with 3 guys over or at 6'10.

Now do I think it will happen, no way in hell, it makes too much sense


Yeah... I'm not a fan of that trade in the slightest. I'm not impressed with Marcus Williams at all. To me, he'd be a big step backwards for us. I know some on here aren't big on Felton, but he's still worth more than those two. Sean Williams is still a question mark and appears to be nothing more than a journeyman big, the likes of which are available almost every off season.

I don't think Odom or Jamison are realistic unless we get rid of another important contributor.

I'm looking at the off-season as a time to trim fat and add quality parts. I don't think this is the season to trade important pieces, especially since we have our question mark coach.

[x2pacalypse]

if we're getting a new coach there's no reason we should be overhauling the team, we should see what HE is capable of, since we were all convinced that this team was a playoff team, which it probably is, let somebody capable of coaching take us there

[amour217]

Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje.....

jersey sales will go through the roof

[Muttley]

if we're getting a new coach there's no reason we should be overhauling the team, we should see what HE is capable of, since we were all convinced that this team was a playoff team, which it probably is, let somebody capable of coaching take us there


Agreed, we should hire Larry, Paul or Rick well before the draft so that he can weigh in. However, there will be space on the roster since at the very least we're probably not going to resign DA (asst. coach) and certainly not the Big OH. Also, there's the vacated McInnis spot and we have the option of not bringing Boykins, and possibly one of the two skinny tall fellas. I don't propose letting all of these guys go, but doing so might allow us to unquestionably improve our roster.

I at least see three of these folks being gone next year. Then, supposing we sign our two draft picks, we still have a roster spot. We owe it to ourselves to bring in a solid big man.

[ammofan]

Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje.....

jersey sales will go through the roof


haha yup...I would get one!!

[Slam]

The Bucks are still hard up for a SF right?

How about this (it obviously depends on the balls and how they fall during the lotto).

Let's say they have the 4th pick and we have the 7th pick.

Charlotte out:
Adam Morrison
2008 7th overall pick

Milwaukee out:
Charlie V
2008 4th overall pick

Then we draft Mayo

Felts - Mayo
Swish - Mayo - Hammer
Crash - Dude
Charlie V - McMay - Davidson
EO50 - Nazzy - Twiggy

Step two is that if Mayo works out, we look to move Crash in a trade for a better PF, make Charlie the back up 4, slide Swish over to the 3 and start Mayo at the 2.

The Bucks draft Love at #7 and go with:

Mo - Sessions
Redd - Bell
Ammo - Simmons
Yi - Love
Bogut - Gadz

[dvdbumpus]

I like the trade Big Slam....

Charlie V has been on fire lately. I think Milwaukee would go for it because they have Yi....but wouldn't Yi likely plat SF? If he plays PF, then Adam would fit in well there.

Who knows though.....

[TheBeagle]

if we're getting a new coach there's no reason we should be overhauling the team, we should see what HE is capable of, since we were all convinced that this team was a playoff team, which it probably is, let somebody capable of coaching take us there
I'm leaning towards this also. For me, a lot of this also depends on the Mek situation. He has decided one way or the other what he is going to do after the season, I think, which has improved his game and overall body language and interaction with his teammates. If he doesn't want to re-sign, then I think regardless of the coaching situation, a roster overhaul will be needed because we would even more desperately need a big (and we already need one with Mek), so we'd have to get rid of some guys or picks to get a quality big to fill Mek's void, or either go after a FA using the money we would've spen on Mek.

Obviously in a perfect world, at least for me, we'd get a new coach (LB or Silas, preferably), win the lottery and draft Beasley, and re-sign Mek. Unfortunately, this world is far from perfect, and that's why there's so many variables for us right now. All I know is, when I saw Al Jefferson putting up 40 on us, I wept thinking that's exactly who/what we need to be a eastern conference player.

Anyway, I'm all for improving the team, and it's very true that the 4/5 situation that is of most concern going into the off-season, in terms of personnel. Like MJ said during the press conference on Tuesday, he knows the pressure is squarely on him now to turn this team into a winner, to generate excitement/interest around the Carolinas, so let's trust that we'll see the MJ that orchestrated the JRich/Jermareo trade, and not the MJ that hired "coach" this upcoming off-season.

[MattD]

Like I tried to say in my jumbled NBA coaches thing I wrote, we may be looking too hard at sam vincent and ignoring some underlying problems. I find the trio of Felton, Jrich and Gerald, good, but there was never much of a flow between all three (except that one sick ally that didnt count when jrich went behind the back to felts and felts threw it up for gerald)

As far as Marcus Williams, he has shown what he has after 10-15 minutes per game. Look at his 30+ minute games, and he puts up as good or better numbers then felts. He is more of a scoring PG and can fill it up, and I am good with that.

Sean WIlliams can be very effective as even a starting center with a little more experience. He knows how to control is body and is a presence in the paint so I would be happy to see that lineup, though I know its not happening.

[spectre]

The Bucks are still hard up for a SF right?

How about this (it obviously depends on the balls and how they fall during the lotto).

Let's say they have the 4th pick and we have the 7th pick.

Charlotte out:
Adam Morrison
2008 7th overall pick

Milwaukee out:
Charlie V
2008 4th overall pick

Then we draft Mayo

Felts - Mayo
Swish - Mayo - Hammer
Crash - Dude
Charlie V - McMay - Davidson
EO50 - Nazzy - Twiggy

Step two is that if Mayo works out, we look to move Crash in a trade for a better PF, make Charlie the back up 4, slide Swish over to the 3 and start Mayo at the 2.

The Bucks draft Love at #7 and go with:

Mo - Sessions
Redd - Bell
Ammo - Simmons
Yi - Love
Bogut - Gadz


First, I like how you're thinking!

Do you really think Ammo is worth CV PLUS upgrading from 8th to 4th? Me neither. What could we add (or take back) from the Bucks to motivate them to switch picks? Gadz & Nazr have almost identical salaries so I doubt that's no good, we won't need Bell nor do I want to get near Simmon's contract.

Would throwing in May be enough?


As far as Marcus Williams, he has shown what he has after 10-15 minutes per game. Look at his 30+ minute games, and he puts up as good or better numbers then felts. He is more of a scoring PG and can fill it up, and I am good with that.

I caught just a few minutes of the Toronto-NJ game the other night...4 seconds on the shot clock and they inbounds to Williams. Dude never even looked at the basket til it was too late. Last time he played vs. us he looked like a deer caught in the headlights trying to run the point. He does seem to have a good shot (tho he's shooting 39% FG) but running a team seems a long way away if ever.

He's a marginal backup and it'd be a MAJOR downgrade. Sean Williams (who's been getting less & less PT) is in no way worth that.

[Slam]

First, I like how you're thinking!

Do you really think Ammo is worth CV PLUS upgrading from 8th to 4th? Me neither. What could we add (or take back) from the Bucks to motivate them to switch picks? Gadz & Nazr have almost identical salaries so I doubt that's no good, we won't need Bell nor do I want to get near Simmon's contract.

Would throwing in May be enough?
-----------------------------

Would Ammo have more value to them because:

a) He plays a position of need for them
b) He will still be on his rookie deal for a few more years than CV so provide them with a little more cap flexability

?

I know, I know. I'm reaching!!

How about we take back Gadz and throw in Twiggy? They are pretty much the same player - but Twiggy is about $5 mill less a year!!

I don't like the idea of having two back up C's on the roster (Nazzy and Gadz) both earning $5-$6 mil a year for the next 3 years, but maybe it would be worth it to move up and get Mayo?

[Mustachio]

First of all... the new jersey trade is the worst idea so far this year. Marcus Williams?? id rather have McInnis back.

and the Milwaukee deal makes all kinds of sense to us... but zero to the Bucks. Trade an injured, supposed draft bust for a big man who is a major contributor on his team already. I dont think they will fall for that.


Drop DA. Drop Piggy. Drop Boykins. thats 3 million in cap along with the 1.5 we already have. so at the end of the year we could have 4.5 million dollars right off the bat. we just need to regroup... sign who we need to sign and stay away from the trades... because someone always loses... and with some of these suggestions it would be us.

[spectre]

Would Ammo have more value to them because:

a) He plays a position of need for them
b) He will still be on his rookie deal for a few more years than CV so provide them with a little more cap flexability

?

I know, I know. I'm reaching!!

How about we take back Gadz and throw in Twiggy? They are pretty much the same player - but Twiggy is about $5 mill less a year!!

I don't like the idea of having two back up C's on the roster (Nazzy and Gadz) both earning $5-$6 mil a year for the next 3 years, but maybe it would be worth it to move up and get Mayo?


I think the Twiggy for Gadz might tempt them; they consider his contract crap and would probably love to move him (sadly it's almost exactly like Nazr's). Dag...like you said that's a LOT of money for two marginal bigs, and you know I'm past wanting to do something about all these MLE range backups we have; it's too many!

Following thru on the plan tho and Mayo does work out I think we could move one of them along with Crash later in the season. I'm so high on him I'd probably take the gamble.

[MattD]

The Bucks are still hard up for a SF right?

How about this (it obviously depends on the balls and how they fall during the lotto).

Let's say they have the 4th pick and we have the 7th pick.

Charlotte out:
Adam Morrison
2008 7th overall pick

Milwaukee out:
Charlie V
2008 4th overall pick

Then we draft Mayo

Felts - Mayo
Swish - Mayo - Hammer
Crash - Dude
Charlie V - McMay - Davidson
EO50 - Nazzy - Twiggy

Step two is that if Mayo works out, we look to move Crash in a trade for a better PF, make Charlie the back up 4, slide Swish over to the 3 and start Mayo at the 2.

The Bucks draft Love at #7 and go with:

Mo - Sessions
Redd - Bell
Ammo - Simmons
Yi - Love
Bogut - Gadz


the trade looks great for us, but not good for them. Sorry, but Vill is much better then Ammo so far. Why would anyone take an unproven, poor defensive three for a versatile 4 who can hit the three and is strong defended, and in the process loses draft position. Not happening Big, but I like the idea, and I love me some Charlie V