View Full Version : vincent probably staying
gman15
04-18-2008, 02:22 AM
two NBA coaches were already fired today, teams are making their moves from the coaching standpoint, so what i'm thinking is that if the organization is serious about firing him then they will do it over the next couple of days and if we don't hear anything during this time then he is definitely back for next year :mad:
It'll be the same as last year.
The front office will sit on their hands for 3 months while every other team is pro active and snaps up all of the good coaches and "if" we do fire Sam we will be left with the scraps.
FWIW - I don't think that Sam is going any where any way.
ammofan
04-18-2008, 05:02 PM
Yeah, I dont think Sammy will be going anywhere.....please let me be wrong!!
fatlever
04-18-2008, 05:16 PM
i'll be shocked if sam is fired
Yeah, Sam's probably staying. This is the Bobcats. Progress will come whenever it comes. Please give me money today though.
timang
04-18-2008, 11:32 PM
sam v staying is the ugliest thing i can ever think of right this moment
TheBeagle
04-19-2008, 12:34 AM
sam v staying is the ugliest thing i can ever think of right this moment
Seriously. Reading this thread is like reading a Tolstoy tragedy. You guys are making me want to go lie in a bath of warm water and slash my wrists :(
ziggy
04-19-2008, 10:28 AM
I can't believe hes still here :banghead:
Muttley
04-19-2008, 12:01 PM
I can't believe hes still here :banghead:
makes me sad...
BIGCatBobcat
04-19-2008, 01:47 PM
I think the front office is trying to figure out how to pay the bills next year. They are royally screwed now after Vincents comments. I know The dude I buy tickets with and I have decided to go down to 2 next season. And there are probably thousands of people just like us, assuming there are thousands of people that own season tickets.
If, rather When Sam comes back I will be unrelenting in my boos, I will get hoarse at every game I go, we will make Fine Ham Biscuit T-Shirts, there will be a giant pink-slip outside the arena. He is a joke, they players think so, we think so, the fringe fans think so, Jordan and Bobcat Johnson think so to, I'm convinced that Johnson has decided they will put another loser out there next year to "save" whatever Vincents buyout would be. Little does he know the reduction in losses, the poor play, the attitude on the court will drive away more in beer sales alone than that buyout is worth.
Am I wrong?
Keetch
04-19-2008, 01:54 PM
I guess my biggest problem is that I just don't see a reason to care about the team next year if Sam is coach. Why bother?
My bet is that Buzz has a "Smitch/Mo Cheeks" type year next season and is widely considered the coach of the year because, depending on the draft and what happens over the summer with EO50, we will be a playoff and 45 win team.
Weather the turn around is because of Buzz or because of our players coming together and health across the board is another thing, but I bet if Buzz stays, he is the talk of the NBA coaching ranks next season.
MattD
04-19-2008, 04:58 PM
maybe, but toronto fans still hate sam mitchell
spectre
04-19-2008, 07:10 PM
Delong went off on Johnson and the whole team pretty much...don't think he's ever got over them letting Tapscott go. Anyway, he had this little tidbit about a rumor that the players locked Vincent out of the lockerroom at halftime!
Delong - Season Poor: Bob Johnson of the Bobcats has proven that he knows absolutely nothing about owning a team (http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/apr/19/bob-johnson-of-the-bobcats-has-proven-that-he-know/?sports-columnists-jdelong)
We find that Sam Vincent is -- or, soon to be, was -- one of the worst coaches in NBA history, in over his head as a strategist and totally disconnected from his players. Did the players really lock him out of the locker room at halftime one night, or is that one of the urban legends that will follow him into infamy?
ziggy
04-19-2008, 08:47 PM
If they really locked the coach out of the locker room, then that might possibly be the coolest thing ever.
Has anyone else heard about this? We need the inside scoop.
amour217
04-19-2008, 09:49 PM
If he isn't canned, we should set up the Buyout Sam Vincent Fund...we'll collect money at games to buy him out. Or if he is fired, we can all offer to move his butt out
ziggy
04-20-2008, 07:45 AM
Delong went off on Johnson and the whole team pretty much...don't think he's ever got over them letting Tapscott go. Anyway, he had this little tidbit about a rumor that the players locked Vincent out of the lockerroom at halftime!
Delong - Season Poor: Bob Johnson of the Bobcats has proven that he knows absolutely nothing about owning a team (http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/apr/19/bob-johnson-of-the-bobcats-has-proven-that-he-know/?sports-columnists-jdelong)
We find that Sam Vincent is -- or, soon to be, was -- one of the worst coaches in NBA history, in over his head as a strategist and totally disconnected from his players. Did the players really lock him out of the locker room at halftime one night, or is that one of the urban legends that will follow him into infamy?
If hes here next season, I'll be wearing one of these to the games :biggrin: :
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/whenindoubt.jpg
timang
04-20-2008, 07:56 AM
sam v staying is the ugliest thing i can ever think of right this moment
Seriously. Reading this thread is like reading a Tolstoy tragedy. You guys are making me want to go lie in a bath of warm water and slash my wrists :(
him staying would fill the rest of my days w/ agony while watching any nba games. :(
timang
04-20-2008, 07:56 AM
Delong went off on Johnson and the whole team pretty much...don't think he's ever got over them letting Tapscott go. Anyway, he had this little tidbit about a rumor that the players locked Vincent out of the lockerroom at halftime!
Delong - Season Poor: Bob Johnson of the Bobcats has proven that he knows absolutely nothing about owning a team (http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/apr/19/bob-johnson-of-the-bobcats-has-proven-that-he-know/?sports-columnists-jdelong)
We find that Sam Vincent is -- or, soon to be, was -- one of the worst coaches in NBA history, in over his head as a strategist and totally disconnected from his players. Did the players really lock him out of the locker room at halftime one night, or is that one of the urban legends that will follow him into infamy?
If hes here next season, I'll be wearing one of these to the games :biggrin: :
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/whenindoubt.jpg
coolness 8)
Mustachio
04-20-2008, 09:55 AM
if thats even remotely true... then i cant see him coming back. you cant lose your team like that and expect them to ever respect you again.
great tshirt
Mustachio
04-20-2008, 10:06 AM
Sam Vincents new office at the Bobcats arena.
http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger2/1074/3407/1600/office_prison_2.jpg
and dont worry...those wires arent connected to anything.
Muttley
04-20-2008, 10:23 AM
if thats even remotely true... then i cant see him coming back. you cant lose your team like that and expect them to ever respect you again.
great tshirt
Unless the players were too polite to say anything about it, but I don't see that happening. He's thrown them under the bus. They might as well throw him under one too.
spectre
04-20-2008, 04:33 PM
I was trying to figure out who could pull that off without repercussions and the only one I could come up with would be Swish. Then it occured to me that a certain player had a tiff with the Idiot and then got cut...someone who's had a history of going off.
We all thought it was strange that someone could go from starter to unemployed so quickly. Maybe this is the reason?
ziggy
04-20-2008, 05:07 PM
I was trying to figure out who could pull that off without repercussions and the only one I could come up with would be Swish. Then it occured to me that a certain player had a tiff with the Idiot and then got cut...someone who's had a history of going off.
We all thought it was strange that someone could go from starter to unemployed so quickly. Maybe this is the reason?
I was thinking the same thing Spectre. McInnis went from undeserving starter to out of the league in the blink of an eye. That may have been the reason.
davcbow
04-20-2008, 07:07 PM
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/whenindoubt.jpg
We should adopt that as our temporary BobcatsPlanets t-shirt until the biscuit is gone. :g:
ohara831
04-21-2008, 11:05 AM
If it was McInnis, then everyone owes him an apology for slamming on his crappy play all year. If he pulled that one off, then I salute him for "taking one for the team" and for BobcatsPlanet. Ya done good, Jeff!
Muttley
04-21-2008, 11:35 AM
If it was McInnis, then everyone owes him an apology for slamming on his crappy play all year. If he pulled that one off, then I salute him for "taking one for the team" and for BobcatsPlanet. Ya done good, Jeff!
That play should definitely make Jeff's highlight reel for the year!
spectre
04-21-2008, 05:07 PM
It ain't over til the fat lady sings. I'm going to assume MJ and Co. does the right thing and cans the idiot until they say publically he's coming back. I refuse to believe that a group that is desperate to win will bring back someone who totally lost the team like he did.
Big decisions to be made on Felton, Vincent (http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/year_19579___article.html/contract_season.html)
For Felton, Okafor and the rest of the Bobcats, the situation could be further complicated by the uncertainty about the team's head coach Sam Vincent. Vincent has at least one more year left on his contract at $1.5 million, but owners Bob Johnson and Michael Jordan are currently in discussions over the future - and that could very well include replacing Vincent for a veteran coach like the available and apparently interested Larry Brown.
Keetch
04-21-2008, 06:11 PM
If Vincent does come back, then, well; I'll probably have to invest in some high-end hashish and come to the games stoned.
That way when he's playing 4 guards at one time, I can at least just chill out .. dude.
Then go get me some peanut M&M's!
Mustachio
04-21-2008, 06:29 PM
It ain't over til the fat lady sings. I'm going to assume MJ and Co. does the right thing and cans the idiot until they say publically he's coming back. I refuse to believe that a group that is desperate to win will bring back someone who totally lost the team like he did.
Big decisions to be made on Felton, Vincent (http://www.gastongazette.com/sports/year_19579___article.html/contract_season.html)
For Felton, Okafor and the rest of the Bobcats, the situation could be further complicated by the uncertainty about the team's head coach Sam Vincent. Vincent has at least one more year left on his contract at $1.5 million, but owners Bob Johnson and Michael Jordan are currently in discussions over the future - and that could very well include replacing Vincent for a veteran coach like the available and apparently interested Larry Brown.
several things in that article that struck me. nice find spectre.
1. I didnt know Larry Brown was interested. If that is true, then it tells me he sees the talent on the team and thinks he can make them win. I think the team is grown up enough now that we wont really have to worry about his struggles with younger players. I dont think its so much really that he has struggles with young players as it is the attitude some young players have(especially in NY)
2. Felton plead the 5th on Sam Vincent. "That's a question I can't answer and will not touch on." Sometimes silence says more than anything. If he thought Coach could get it done, he would have backed him I think . Thats pure speculation, but it clearly isnt a ringing endorsement.
3. I think Okafor wants to be back, just hated the coach. again pure speculation, but theres plenty of evidence to speculate on.
4. I just dont see how this team can be effective and win with Sam Vincent as coach. I just cant see any improvement. But ive been wrong before. So come on Managment... think hard on this decision and get it done soon. please.
dnbman
04-21-2008, 08:31 PM
If Vincent does come back, then, well; I'll probably have to invest in some high-end hashish and come to the games stoned.
That way when he's playing 4 guards at one time, I can at least just chill out .. dude.
Then go get me some peanut M&M's!
Dude! Four guards.
Awesome.
If you watch the jumbotron while they play "Final Countdown" you can see a PF hanging himself in the background!
Where's the funyuns?
TheBeagle
04-22-2008, 12:14 AM
1.I didnt know Larry Brown was interested. If that is true, then it tells me he sees the talent on the team and thinks he can make them win. I think the team is grown up enough now that we wont really have to worry about his struggles with younger players. I dont think its so much really that he has struggles with young players as it is the attitude some young players have(especially in NY)
2. Felton plead the 5th on Sam Vincent. "That's a question I can't answer and will not touch on." Sometimes silence says more than anything. If he thought Coach could get it done, he would have backed him I think . Thats pure speculation, but it clearly isnt a ringing endorsement.
3. I think Okafor wants to be back, just hated the coach. again pure speculation, but theres plenty of evidence to speculate on.
4. I just dont see how this team can be effective and win with Sam Vincent as coach. I just cant see any improvement. But ive been wrong before. So come on Managment... think hard on this decision and get it done soon. please.
1. Oh yeah. The family friend who is a longtime sportswriter in Philly told me 3 weeks ago that Brown was interested in this particular job. Also, it's likely they had at least preliminary discussions 2 weeks ago. Whether it materializes, he doesn't know (he thinks there's a good chance), but there was/is something going on between LB and the Cats.
2. I agree with that take. Let's put it this way: he was giving Doherty more praise than Vincent, and I've been told countless times that there was plenty of friction between Doherty and his players (not just McCants).
3. I think you're right on this too. He could just be playing the politician on this, but it seems that when Mek talks, he tells the truth. When he doesn't want to come right out and say something, he'll hedge around, but to come out and say that, I'll take him at his word: he intends to re-sign in Charlotte.
4. You can't see any improvement, Mustachio, because there wasn't any. None. Like I've posted elsewhere, we were 2 games OVER .500 after 10 games, we finished 18 games UNDER. Also, the team was making the same mistakes in the last week as they did in the first week. Though Vincent was quick to take credit for the winning month of March, it's much more attributable to JRich's emergence and Raymond as (mostly) full-time PG. I would be surprised and disappointed (obviously) if he is coach next season.
BIGCatBobcat
04-22-2008, 08:09 AM
Without question this team has quit on Sam. They have tuned him out, they have pretty much turned their backs on him except for J-Rich who can't help but say the right thing, put on a proud face and trudge through. What is going to change over the summer? Personally, I'd stew on it and it'd get worse. Not playing the blame game but seriously looking at the good and bad things that happened this season and figuring, he cost the team on the really really low end 15 wins. Am I wrong?
Muttley
04-23-2008, 10:07 AM
Ugh... This guy's still the head coach of the Bobcats.
Also, there's been no new news on the Bobcats from Mr. Bonnell (or anyone else) lately. Is that because there's no new news? Or is it because Mr. Bonnell is dealing with his legal issues and/or possibly being reprimanded by the Observer.
amour217
04-23-2008, 10:09 AM
Ugh... This guy's still the head coach of the Bobcats.
Also, there's been no new news on the Bobcats from Mr. Bonnell (or anyone else) lately. Is that because there's no new news? Or is it because Mr. Bonnell is dealing with his legal issues and/or possibly being reprimanded by the Observer.
cuz he's too busy sippin on the yak
spectre
04-23-2008, 10:31 AM
On the bright side no one in management has come out to say Vincent is staying even when he's considered by many as being in jeopardy.
Walker at the Gaston Gazette insinuated that MJ & Co. is thinking it over...hopefully he's right.
RUMOR HAS IT… (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=8378)
Other coaches thought to be on the bubble are the Charlotte Bobcats Sam Vincent and the Seattle SuperSonics PJ Carlesimo.
From yesterday.
Muttley
04-23-2008, 11:46 AM
On the bright side no one in management has come out to say Vincent is staying even when he's considered by many as being in jeopardy.
Yeah, you said the other day that you weren't going to assume he was coming back until management's made it official. I like that attitude and I think I will adopt it myself.
In other good news, Larry Brown has yet to accept a coaching job elsewhere. I still think that like him or not, he's the most likely candidate to replace Vincent if/when we do dismiss him.
Another article on Hoopsworld that gets into Vincent in particular: Who is on the Hot Seat (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8373)
with a quote I can appreciate:
The more Bobcats management leave Vincent twisting in the wind, the more the door opens for Brown as his replacement.
spectre
04-23-2008, 12:12 PM
On the bright side no one in management has come out to say Vincent is staying even when he's considered by many as being in jeopardy.
Yeah, you said the other day that you weren't going to assume he was coming back until management's made it official. I like that attitude and I think I will adopt it myself.
In other good news, Larry Brown has yet to accept a coaching job elsewhere. I still think that like him or not, he's the most likely candidate to replace Vincent if/when we do dismiss him.
Another article on Hoopsworld that gets into Vincent in particular: Who is on the Hot Seat (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8373)
with a quote I can appreciate:
The more Bobcats management leave Vincent twisting in the wind, the more the door opens for Brown as his replacement.
Ooohhh good find...+1 for you!!!
I see him holding us back so badly I can't do anything but keep the faith. We might have been ready for him 3 or 4 years from now, but this squad really needs some experience...someone they can respect.
I just don't see how another year would change that.
ohara831
04-23-2008, 01:02 PM
I'd be very happy with Brown, but I like Carlisle as more of a long term solution. But, he may be on his way to Chicago. Brown is fine, but is no more than a 2-3 yr solution. I am not sure I like the idea of having to go back into a coach searching mode so quickly again. MJ, simply waiting and mulling it over lets your options dissolve as they go elsewhere. It's time to act, so either poop or get off the pot!
bizzlecatz
04-23-2008, 01:52 PM
I'm probably the only one on this board, who doesn't want Rick Carlisle as coach. I want a coach who can recognize talent, and know how to use it. Carlisle is a coach who doesn't play rookies. Prince in Detroit, Granger in Indiana. I want Larry Brown as coach. I think Larry Brown had a hand in the 76ers making the playoffs, I'm willing to bet on it. :D
110oldeast
04-23-2008, 04:22 PM
I hear what you are saying, but do you realize that Larry isn't the most rookie loving coach in the league?
I'm probably the only one on this board, who doesn't want Rick Carlisle as coach. I want a coach who can recognize talent, and know how to use it. Carlisle is a coach who doesn't play rookies. Prince in Detroit, Granger in Indiana. I want Larry Brown as coach. I think Larry Brown had a hand in the 76ers making the playoffs, I'm willing to bet on it. :D
amour217
04-23-2008, 05:15 PM
I hear what you are saying, but do you realize that Larry isn't the most rookie loving coach in the league?
I'm probably the only one on this board, who doesn't want Rick Carlisle as coach. I want a coach who can recognize talent, and know how to use it. Carlisle is a coach who doesn't play rookies. Prince in Detroit, Granger in Indiana. I want Larry Brown as coach. I think Larry Brown had a hand in the 76ers making the playoffs, I'm willing to bet on it. :D
Yeah I definitely hear that, Brown is notorious for letting rookies rot on the bench, same thing with Don Nelson, btw
bizzlecatz
04-23-2008, 05:17 PM
I hear what you are saying, but do you realize that Larry isn't the most rookie loving coach in the league?
I'm probably the only one on this board, who doesn't want Rick Carlisle as coach. I want a coach who can recognize talent, and know how to use it. Carlisle is a coach who doesn't play rookies. Prince in Detroit, Granger in Indiana. I want Larry Brown as coach. I think Larry Brown had a hand in the 76ers making the playoffs, I'm willing to bet on it. :D
Yes, but Larry Brown does recognize talented rookies when he sees them. Prince in Detroit and David Lee in New York. The point is he's good at recognizing talent and making it work. Rick Carlisle has done nothing to make me think he would be a sucessful coach in Charlotte.
spectre
04-23-2008, 06:11 PM
I just went thru Basketball Reference (great site BTW...here (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/)) and Larry Brown never really had any rookies in Philly...he did have Dalembert as a rook and he didn't get a lot of burn, but they also had Mutombo and he saw a lot.
In Detroit the only rookie they had was Darko, and as he's not really done much since I think Brown might of had a point. He won a 'ship and then lost in the finals both years there, so IMO it's kind of hard to argue.
In NY he started Channing Frye...he got the 4th most minutes of anyone on the team. Nate Robinson got 5th most.
We should only have one rookie anyway...and that's if we don't trade the pick. If he's good enough I imagine he'll get burn.
I don't remember much about Carlisle (I do know where to go!), but here's a discussion from the Bulls' board about them possibly hiring him:
RealGM - Unconfirmed: Bulls/Carlisle to hire Stotts, Casey for staff (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=783323)
Some interesting opinions in there.
ohara831
04-23-2008, 07:27 PM
I just went thru Basketball Reference (great site BTW...here (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/)) and Larry Brown never really had any rookies in Philly...he did have Dalembert as a rook and he didn't get a lot of burn, but they also had Mutombo and he saw a lot.
In Detroit the only rookie they had was Darko, and as he's not really done much since I think Brown might of had a point. He won a 'ship and then lost in the finals both years there, so IMO it's kind of hard to argue.
In NY he started Channing Frye...he got the 4th most minutes of anyone on the team. Nate Robinson got 5th most.
We should only have one rookie anyway...and that's if we don't trade the pick. If he's good enough I imagine he'll get burn.
I don't remember much about Carlisle (I do know where to go!), but here's a discussion from the Bulls' board about them possibly hiring him:
RealGM - Unconfirmed: Bulls/Carlisle to hire Stotts, Casey for staff (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=783323)
Some interesting opinions in there.
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Go read my post under the NBA Draft Thread - Your 2008 Mock Draft. Per nbadraft.net, we do have a 2nd this yr. The 2nd we lost in the Kareem Rush deal is a 2009. But we also seem to have 3 2nds in 2009 the way I read the charts. See what your think.
spectre
04-24-2008, 10:34 AM
I just went thru Basketball Reference (great site BTW...here (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/)) and Larry Brown never really had any rookies in Philly...he did have Dalembert as a rook and he didn't get a lot of burn, but they also had Mutombo and he saw a lot.
In Detroit the only rookie they had was Darko, and as he's not really done much since I think Brown might of had a point. He won a 'ship and then lost in the finals both years there, so IMO it's kind of hard to argue.
In NY he started Channing Frye...he got the 4th most minutes of anyone on the team. Nate Robinson got 5th most.
We should only have one rookie anyway...and that's if we don't trade the pick. If he's good enough I imagine he'll get burn.
I don't remember much about Carlisle (I do know where to go!), but here's a discussion from the Bulls' board about them possibly hiring him:
RealGM - Unconfirmed: Bulls/Carlisle to hire Stotts, Casey for staff (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=783323)
Some interesting opinions in there.
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Go read my post under the NBA Draft Thread - Your 2008 Mock Draft. Per nbadraft.net, we do have a 2nd this yr. The 2nd we lost in the Kareem Rush deal is a 2009. But we also seem to have 3 2nds in 2009 the way I read the charts. See what your think.
I responded to your post in that thread, but according to ESPN (and others) the Lakers get this year's 2nd. But even if we did I would hope some late 30s pick doesn't influence the Bobcats' opinion on whether Brown should coach us next year or not.
Sort of like Bernie (only now vs. then), I see those 2nds more as trade additions vs. any real worth. Starting out...yeah, we needed them, but now we need contributers vs. projects. I like Davidson and Hollins ok, but that's plenty of "long shots" to be developing. Duds was a later 1st, but any sane coach would give him burn just because of his BB smarts and energy.
Could Brown be any worse than the idiot in handing out PT?
Why did Brown do so poorly in NYC?
Why did he go with a league record in changes of line up?
spectre
04-24-2008, 12:45 PM
Cuz the Knicks were built like crap? Lazy players, weak BBIQ guys who felt they deserved PT just because?
Primadonna in Starbury...fat lazy player in Curry. The only backup PG they had was a midget who did nothing but shoot (hmmmm....who does that remind me of?). QRich lived on the IR. Having to start Charmin even tho he was one of the softest players defensively in the league. I think they also had some deadweight guys
From what I remember a lot of the players wouldn't buy into Brown and were running to Isiah. Nasty nasty stuff.
Hell, a better question might be how did those teams win as many games as they did?
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