Vincent Fired

[ohara831]

ESPN just announces the firing of Sam Vincent by the Bobcats! Sources say that Larry Brown would be receptive to being the new Coach.

Finally!!!!!!!

[ziggy]

WOOHOO!!!!! Our Ham Biscuit Days are O-V-E-R!!!!

[dnbman]

WOOHOO!!!!! Our Ham Biscuit Days are O-V-E-R!!!!

God Save the Queen!!!!!




Dear Sam,

Thank you for leading our team through a tumultuous season. You were beautiful and held your clipboard well. I will always remember your myriad expressions with bugged out eyeballs as you watched us on the court.

However, I think we need some space. It's not you; it's me. But, you know what, we can still be friends! Maybe you can come to a game sometime! At any rate, I know you're going to do great things in the future.

Take care,

Bobcat Fans

[TheLegend]

Here comes Larry Brown! Thank you so much MJ!!!

[dnbman]

WOOHOO!!!!! Our Ham Biscuit Days are O-V-E-R!!!!

BTW, Ziggy. Since I saw my rep had dropped 5 points in the transition, I decided to take a point from yours in retaliation.

Well, it took away 90!

I will become the board ox for a 24 hour period in return.

[ziggy]

BTW, Ziggy. Since I saw my rep had dropped 5 points in the transition, I decided to take a point from yours in retaliation.

Well, it took away 90!

I will become the board ox for a 24 hour period in return.

The rep is one of those things that I still need to transfer, I hope to get to it today :)

[spectre]

I just don't have the words for the joy I'm feeling right now!!!

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[ohara831]

Wow! I am amped up for the NFL Draft, and then "BOOM"!!! We are freed from the not very good Coach who brought us down this yr. Great Day! Now, on to the business of hiring an EXPERIENCED good Coach!

[ammofan]

Yup...I turned on the TV to watch Draft stuff to see who they are saying the anthers will get and all of a sudden...BREAKING NEWS- Bobcats fire coach Sam Vincent after 32-50 season

I was pumped!!!

[MattD]

hurray hurray! I am so glad I was wrong!

[Alex]

YESSSSSS YESSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSS

the reverse psychology worked!!!

[tamburello]

He was fired after weeks of rumors. This was inevitable. Now I really have mixed feelings. I find it unfair to fire a rookie coach without giving him enough time to adjust. Next season would be so different if he was allowed to coach. But we'll never know this.

I'm not defending his stupid instructions of decisions in games. I strongly believe that we'd be in playoffs if a better coach existed. But unfortunately we were forced to watch that disappointing season. But I find it stupid to hire someone in order to fire after just one season. If you're looking for the success "now" (it can be clearly understood with the Mohammed trade), why do you give this team to a rookie coach then? Why do you gamble on a huge opportunity to be in playoffs, with horrendous teams in East?

Question of the day:
"Yesterday, Brown resigned. Today, Vincent was fired. Tomorrow ........."
Fill in the blanks accordingly the logical order.

Brown is a good choice for short term success. We'll see what happens. But at the moment I am announcing that I am and will be against Larry Brown. He is not the only candidate with experince.

[dnbman]

Brown is a good choice for short term success. We'll see what happens. But at the moment I am announcing that I am and will be against Larry Brown. He is not the only candidate with experince.

I know what you mean. Larry certainly has some question marks, especially in regards to how he handles business off the court. However, now that we have guys who have been in the league a few years and have worked with a less talented/experienced coach, I think Brown will have their ears, and thus can lead them to victory.

[dvdbumpus]

Thank GOD!!!

[Alex]

I want Larry Brown or Rick Carlisle. Anybody other hire besides those two would anger me.

[chabber]

Best day of the year for me as a Bobcat fan no question. It's like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Best news of the season

[Dead_Real]

NO MORE SMALL BALL :biggrin:

Step 1 to us having another excellent offseason is complete I just hope management hires the best Head Coaching candidate for the job and no more gambles. Great start of the day for me now all I need is for the Panthers to trade up or somehow land Ryan Clady or Rashard Mendenhall at 13 for this day to be perfect.

[x2pacalypse]

He was fired after weeks of rumors. This was inevitable. Now I really have mixed feelings. I find it unfair to fire a rookie coach without giving him enough time to adjust. Next season would be so different if he was allowed to coach. But we'll never know this.

I'm not defending his stupid instructions of decisions in games. I strongly believe that we'd be in playoffs if a better coach existed. But unfortunately we were forced to watch that disappointing season. But I find it stupid to hire someone in order to fire after just one season. If you're looking for the success "now" (it can be clearly understood with the Mohammed trade), why do you give this team to a rookie coach then? Why do you gamble on a huge opportunity to be in playoffs, with horrendous teams in East?

Question of the day:
"Yesterday, Brown resigned. Today, Vincent was fired. Tomorrow ........."
Fill in the blanks accordingly the logical order.

Brown is a good choice for short term success. We'll see what happens. But at the moment I am announcing that I am and will be against Larry Brown. He is not the only candidate with experince.

i think he got fired more due to the locker room situation with the players, if the players liked him like BB, we wouldn't have fired him, but then again we wouldn't have lost as many either hah

as for me...i might have came in my pants a little when i heard the news a few minutes ago

[Mustachio]

What a beautiful Saturday morning.


Like i said a couple days ago. we are either getting the anti-christ or the hero. I think we will be in the playoffs easy next year... but im also counting on some controversy as well. I just hope its more good than bad.

anything is better than the FORMER HEAD COACH SAM VINCENT. (that felt good)

I know its official yet...but come on you know LB has the job. His mother lives in Charlotte, and his first head coaching job ever was the ABA Carolina Cougars. Come on back home Larry.

[King Taharqa]

Say no to Larry Brown, say yes to Rick Carlisle. We need someone who will be in it for the long haul, not a 2 year Im-here-til-a-bigger-deal-comes-up type of coach. Plus all you clamoring for Brown, be prepared to see him want to ship some of our key components outta town. Last year everybody wished for another coach, we got that. Now people are wishing for Brown. Be careful.

[Icky Thump]

Wow! Thank ya, Thank ya, Thank ya! Something tells me we have someone in mind already to take the job before they made the final push to move Ham Biscuit out... whether that's Larry Brown or whoever, I believe there is someone already. Could be wrong but it's sooooo right to have FHB GONE.

[Icky Thump]

He was fired after weeks of rumors. This was inevitable. Now I really have mixed feelings. I find it unfair to fire a rookie coach without giving him enough time to adjust. Next season would be so different if he was allowed to coach. But we'll never know this.

I'm not defending his stupid instructions of decisions in games. I strongly believe that we'd be in playoffs if a better coach existed. But unfortunately we were forced to watch that disappointing season. But I find it stupid to hire someone in order to fire after just one season. If you're looking for the success "now" (it can be clearly understood with the Mohammed trade), why do you give this team to a rookie coach then? Why do you gamble on a huge opportunity to be in playoffs, with horrendous teams in East?

Question of the day:
"Yesterday, Brown resigned. Today, Vincent was fired. Tomorrow ........."
Fill in the blanks accordingly the logical order.

Brown is a good choice for short term success. We'll see what happens. But at the moment I am announcing that I am and will be against Larry Brown. He is not the only candidate with experince.


Come on now.. I see that you are not in favor of Larry Brown but don't forget what we just got through... That crap was pathetic considering the teams playing in the East and the talent we had (even with injuries).

I'm not going to say that I'm sure that Larry Brown would be best for our team but I think he will be a lot better than FHB. If nothing else he can give us a more successful bridge to a younger, yet more experienced guy in around 3-4 years? We can hope at least... thats something I think we all have again now that FHB is gone. I was never comfortable with FHB's hire and never said much till his end days... he was BAD this past year and his time came.


ps. If it's not Larry Brown I hope whoever we get has some experience and fits in with our crew... period.

[tamburello]

We did an experiment, and it apparently didn't work. And somehow we've sent off the responsible person. OK. I won't cry after him. We need to move forward.

But MJ, please no more experiences on the club. I just want a proven coach except Larry Brown. Rick Carlisle would be my favourite, but Bulls fired their coach earlier and hence began the negotiations already.

Actually Tom Thibodeau would be very interesting. He is the man behind the success of Boston this season. He's a great defensive coach. But he also has no head coaching experience and I'm reluctant.

[spectre]

The Bobcats Need a Coach. Larry Brown Needs a Team. (http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop)


A couple of days ago, I noted that Larry Brown had quit his job with the 76ers, and speculated, without any special insight, that he might land in Chicago.

Things have changed, and I'd now like to change my bet.

~snip~

And now, a source close to the situation says Larry Brown -- a University of North Carolina legend just like Bobcats honcho Michael Jordan -- will be the next coach of the Bobcats.

Five other sources with connections to the team and/or Brown tell me they have heard the same thing, and believe it to be true, although none have specific knowledge of the talks.

[amour217]

This is turning out to be a GREAT Day! I gotta admit, though, I'll miss making the Ham Biscuit photoshops....but I'll definitely forever associate biscuits with the Bobcats.

The great part is when the Bobcats start becoming great year in and year out, we'll still be cracking biscuit jokes and the bandwagoners will not know what we're talking about ;)

It's a new day, Planeteers, let's celebrate! When's the Fired Ham Biscuit Party?

[ohara831]

We did an experiment, and it apparently didn't work. And somehow we've sent off the responsible person. OK. I won't cry after him. We need to move forward.

But MJ, please no more experiences on the club. I just want a proven coach except Larry Brown. Rick Carlisle would be my favourite, but Bulls fired their coach earlier and hence began the negotiations already.

Actually Tom Thibodeau would be very interesting. He is the man behind the success of Boston this season. He's a great defensive coach. But he also has no head coaching experience and I'm reluctant.


__________________________________________________ ____________________

I am with you on Brown or Carlisle; I have heard great things about Thibodeau, but another Rookie might make MJ gun shy. I think he has to go with experience. Brown is you only care about a 2-3 yr period to turn us around. Carlisle is the man if you want a Coach you expect to be here 10 yrs from now.

[Keetch]

Great news!!!! Kudos to Dnbman for calling me on my cell immediately upon hearing the news...he wanted to be the one the let me know :D

With the huge amount of negative vibes around, this team HAD to do something.

Now we can move forward with a positive outlook for next season. I would be very very thrilled to have Larry Brown here, even for a short stay. I can't wait to see the back of his head on the bench.

So I guess I'll have to end my "holdout" and go ahead and purchase Season 2 of my season tickets. I've been "reminded" by the Bobcats that my first payment is late lol. I responded by letting them know I was awaiting news of the termination of the coach. I was then informed of my contractual obligation; to which I replied that I was awaiting news of the termination of the coach :biggrin: .

Hopefully the big suite holders out there will perceive this as positive and renew their tickets as well. Not sure though, the economy is sucking.

[Dlpz87]

Whether it's Brown or Carlisle, either one of them will instill respect in these players and expect far more from them then they have ever had to give. I think that both coaches would raise this team's level of play for years to come. Bernie taught, now they need to execute. I'd just give Brown the edge b/c of his good coaching of defensive techniques to hopefully further elevate Wallace, OK50, and our youngins...

There's no sense in blowing money on a guy (FHB) who lost the players, if they tuned him out before, they'll do it again...

[TheBeagle]

Best day of the year for me as a Bobcat fan no question. It's like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders. I agree; that's really exactly how it feels. It was surreal to wake up and see "Bobcats Fire Sam Vincent" scrawling on the bottom of ESPN; a literal slack-jawed moment. I was really starting to have my doubts, and then it happens just like that! It truly is a day to celebrate for Bobcats fans, and to thank MJ and Bob for doing what needed to be done in spite of money and pride.

To the LB skeptics: if he comes, it'll be a great fit. If you think he's coming aboard and making roster overhauls, you're delusional. Overhauls may happen, but that's MJ's doing, not LB. Believe it or not, I'm starting to gain faith in MJ more and more, and I know that he has blueprint for the future of the team. If LB is hired, it'll probably be for a handfull of years, but I really think they'll be grooming someone to come along and pick up after the exodus.

In any case, we can all agree as Bobcats fans, nothing could be finer than a Ham Biscuit to go!

[Muttley]

Man was I happy to get that message from ESPN on my cell phone this morning. However, I was going to be away from my computer for the whole day, so I had no one to really share the great news with.

Didn't someone call the firing happening on Draft Day (NFL Draft)?

I expect we hear of the next hiring shortly. Definitely needs to be someone with experience, no doubt, and I feel that MJ won't make that mistake twice (at least not in Charlotte). No matter who the next coach is - and c'mon, this is way too convenient of a situation for it not to be Larry Brown - he will be an upgrade over Sam.

Happy Trails, Sam. May you find success coaching elsewhere.

[ziggy]

Happy Trails, Sam. May you find success coaching elsewhere.
I hear the Scandanavian women's team may be looking for a 3rd assistant :biggrin:

[MattD]

nice burn zig

[Slam]

Initially I was impressed with the front office. I thought they were 2 for 2. Last year they identified out short comings when it came to a high end scoring SG - so they went out and got Swish. Big props for that.

Then this. I thought they had done another great job by identifying Vincent as being a problem and choose the right path by axing him.

BUT

What if Brown hadn't resigned from the Sixers? Would they still have cut Vincent? Considering his exit interview was LAST WEEK and he wasn't fired then, this smacks of being a reaction to Brown - which tells me they would have kept him around, which is dissapointing.

Either way, he's gone now, and that's all that matters.

[dnbman]

What if Brown hadn't resigned from the Sixers? Would they still have cut Vincent? Considering his exit interview was LAST WEEK and he wasn't fired then, this smacks of being a reaction to Brown - which tells me they would have kept him around, which is dissapointing.

Either way, he's gone now, and that's all that matters.

I don't think it was necessarily Brown that lead to the firing. While I'm sure Brown's availability helped, my guess is that Jordan was just taking care to listen to the folks around him. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Jordan gave Vincent some time to resign and/or planned to release the news on a day when the sports world would be focused on other things.

We've second guessed the organization about everything they've done. Considering it was a near consensus that Vincent needed to be fired, I'm not going to fault the organization in any way for getting it done. They gambled on a new coach and it didn't pan out.

The one thing I like about the Vincent year is that our team will hopefully now appreciate a quality head coach, not that we wouldn't have before. However, now a guy like Brown can come in and there won't be any questions about previous teams or anything else. Brown will have something to prove as a coach and the team will have something to prove under Brown.

[ALong13]

I mean this in the nicest way possible....HA! Coach V is finally gone! I never liked Coach V and was against him when we got him, I gave him a shot, and he blew it up..I wanted Paul Silas last year, and I wouldn't mind either him, Larry Brown, or Rick Carlisle this year...someone who is experienced and can win for time to come...

[spectre]

Initially I was impressed with the front office. I thought they were 2 for 2. Last year they identified out short comings when it came to a high end scoring SG - so they went out and got Swish. Big props for that.

Then this. I thought they had done another great job by identifying Vincent as being a problem and choose the right path by axing him.

BUT

What if Brown hadn't resigned from the Sixers? Would they still have cut Vincent? Considering his exit interview was LAST WEEK and he wasn't fired then, this smacks of being a reaction to Brown - which tells me they would have kept him around, which is dissapointing.

Either way, he's gone now, and that's all that matters.

Brown's been saying for a month that he was going to get back into coaching.

Larry Brown wants to coach again - April 3rd, 2008 (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20080403_Larry_Brown_wants_to_coach_again.html)

"I've got to figure out if I can get a coaching job," Brown said. "I want to get back so bad. I'm so bored."

Well-traveled coach Brown misses coaching, interested in Kings' job - June 2007 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2906277)

Brown has always been available...not just in the last week.

Maybe MJ and Brown agreed for him to leave the Sixers early so as to take them out of the mix? If that guy from DE is correct and he's coming for 5 million per it's obvious they've talked before now.

We could have had Brown last year (as referenced in my last link) but passed for the idiot. I doubt seriously if MJ was now so locked into Brown that it was only either him or Vincent. Hell, Avery might even be available...and that's what MJ said last year he was looking for! If there was a lock you'd think it'd be either him or Mitchell.

I think they inverviewed the idiot on Thursday or Friday, spent the weekend on the players then took a week to decide their direction and "feel" around the league for what's possible.

Then they told Vincent not to let the door hit him in the ass.

[spectre]

Vincent anticipates Brown replacing him, saying late Saturday he believes Brown's availability was a key factor in his dismissal.

"There's speculation it's Larry Brown, and if it is Larry Brown, I can't fight that,'' Vincent told the Observer. "I can't compete with Larry Brown here off the court. I mean, he's Mr. North Carolina around here.

"But on the court, you saw how many wins he had the last season he coached, with the Knicks, and with a payroll that was so much bigger than mine.''

~snip~

"I don't think anything happened that made me not warrant a second season,'' Vincent said. "If it has something to do with other than (job performance), then so be it. I'll sacrifice for the organization. I understand that.

"Michael told me I didn't do a poor job in my first year, that it was a decision he had to make for the good of the organization. But I think Michael had some organizational things that he was having to deal with as a whole.''

Vincent out: Is Brown in
as coach for Bobcats? (http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/598626.html)

Hah, the idiot obviously thinks he'd still be here if Brown wasn't available! But see, it wasn't because Brown's a better coach...it was his NC ties that did the idiot in!

Too bad Isiah is out of power in NY else Vincent might still could have a job.

Seriously...maybe MJ told his "friend" that so as to lessen the blow somewhat? If so, he probably should have told him to keep it under wraps; he looks stupid enough as it is.

[ohara831]

Well, at least he was diplomatic about it. Does not sound like he is being a crybaby about it and he is not slamming the team or players. I give him credit for that much.

[chabber]

"I can't compete with Larry Brown here off the court. I mean, he's Mr. North Carolina around here.

"But on the court, you saw how many wins he had the last season he coached, with the Knicks, and with a payroll that was so much bigger than mine.''

Is he fracking serious ??? Comparing himself to Larry Brown and justifying it because of the Knicks situation!!!

These peaks inside that mind of his....how terrifying. Thank the gods it's probably the last.

[spectre]

Read the other piece...it's amazing how arrogant he is. No doubt he's already convinced himself it was all about "tickets", nothing at all to do with him.

[Slam]

Brown has always been available...not just in the last week.

Saying he wants to get back into coaching is one thing - resigning his current position in order to be approachable to other teams without having to to through the Sixers is another.

If Brown was always available and he is/was/always has been the target, then why not fire Vincent at his exit interview (the players were interviewed 1st, then the coaching staff)? Hell, why not fire Vincent a month ago when the players locked him out?



If that guy from DE is correct and he's coming for 5 million per it's obvious they've talked before now..

Interesting you brought this up. I wonder how the coaching franternity would feel about Brown speaking with the Bobcats about a coaching position that was, at the time, already filled?

[Slam]

Read the other piece...it's amazing how arrogant he is. No doubt he's already convinced himself it was all about "tickets", nothing at all to do with him.

I found this weird too. Is he serious, trying to save face or does he really believe that it was all about ticket sales?

If he thinks he's not here for any other reason than he completely lost the players then he is kidding himself.

[spectre]

Saying he wants to get back into coaching is one thing - resigning his current position in order to be approachable to other teams without having to to through the Sixers is another.

If Brown was always available and he is/was/always has been the target, then why not fire Vincent at his exit interview (the players were interviewed 1st, then the coaching staff)? Hell, why not fire Vincent a month ago when the players locked him out?



Interesting you brought this up. I wonder how the coaching franternity would feel about Brown speaking with the Bobcats about a coaching position that was, at the time, already filled?

I don't think he resigned so he could be approached by other teams...I think he did it for MJ. We all know how MJ doesn't like the media involved in his business and he would have had to go thru the Sixers (hence the media getting wind of it) due to courtesy. It wouldn't have been a problem if we had to have went thru them; their president has said repeatedly he knew Brown was only there temporarily, so it looks to me as if Brown left when he did as a favor.

We're only talking a week here. Maybe MJ just wanted to explore all the options?

Personally I'd have fired his ass 2 months into the season, but firing him a month ago and hiring Brown wouldn't have gotten us into the playoffs. It's probably better that Brown (or whoever) can come in now during the offseason and take over fresh. Besides, by then the players had finally gotten over his idiocy and was ignoring him.

Heh, yet Vincent thinks they were starting to get along!

[MattD]

seriously. after reading all those articles in the charlotte observer today, damn I hate vincent. what a whiny dude. its NOT his fault was what he said over and over. then he said his performance was strong. seriously? good riddance

[spectre]

What do you guys think of Herb Williams? According to the front page he could be a candidate and could even come onto Brown's staff if he's the guy. Could he be the guy "in waiting"?

[Keetch]

I think it would be great to have Herb and DA as assistants; looking to the future. But for now, I'd rather we go with Professor Brown and his disciples. Lets build a franchise here around solid teachers and coaches.

[Keetch]

Peter Vescey has a few bits on this as well...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04272008/sports/browns_next_town__108339.htm

"I visualize Dean Smith as Brown's behind-the-bench consultant for home games, a la Tex Winter holding down Jackson."

I was hoping that would be my job next year!

[Mustachio]

How bout a little music for the occasion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

[masta249]

i just wanted to ask what was so bad about sam vincent. i mean he did a lot better then bickerstaff did. he was in the process of making us a playoff contender and then we just let him go. i wish we couldve stayed one more year because i know that he wouldve proved all yall hatas wrong

[BIGCatBobcat]

Absolutely amazing. I couldn't be happier. I went to a funeral and a wedding yesterday. I was telling people i barely knew that the Bobcats had fired Sam Vincent. I got the call on Saturday morning from Mustachio, he left the voicemail simply saying "fine ham biscuit! Call me!" I was listening to ESPN radio and the Sportscenter update said it and that some guy from ESPN called Larry Brown and the direct quote was "It's Saturday, I'm going to my daughter's birthday party, there is nothing to discuss."

I was so excited I kept singing to myself "Ding Dong the Biscuit's Dead!" or like at the Panthers games "Stand and cheer for the Panthers" very celebratory all day. I pictured all of us around a conference room table shaking hands like they do back when they used to show the "war room" on NFL Draft day or like when crisis is averted in a military escalation in a movie or something. It was tough to get so jacked up for the season and then it go so bad and you could basically place it all on one guy. So I'm relieved and excited.

As far as who will be the next coach. I really don't know. All signs point to Larry Brown but I don't know if he is the answer. It really depends on the assistants, I think. He's not going to be here long and I'd like to see us groom a youngish guy.

[TheBeagle]

i just wanted to ask what was so bad about sam vincent. i mean he did a lot better then bickerstaff did. he was in the process of making us a playoff contender and then we just let him go. i wish we couldve stayed one more year because i know that he wouldve proved all yall hatas wrong
"What was so bad about Sam Vincent?" I'm hoping this is a rhetorical question...but if not (and I'm terrified that it isn't) I'll give you a handfull of examples to edify you

(In no particular order)
1. He started Jeff McInnis for basically the entire season, even after he said he'd no longer start Jeff McInnis.

2. It took MJ releasing Jeff McInnis to stop SV from starting Jeff McInnis.

3. See the end of the Boston game of Thanksgiving weekend.

4. No improvement whatsoever: 2 games OVER .500 after 10 games; 18 games UNDER at end of the seaon.

5. Benched Mek and mused on why Mek's performance wasn't up to snuff.

6. Rarely played JD during the first half of the season.

7. http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/04/this-isnt-going.html

8. Cancelled a flight to Milwaukee in December without consulting ANYONE within the organization.

9. Never took the blame for any of this season's disappointments; during the season or after; in his mind he was 32-0 this year, the players were 0-50.

10. No obvious exercise of in-game strategy.

This is just enough to fill up a prologue of a Russian novel which makes up Vincent's faults, but it gives you several answers to you question.

Now, if you could tell me how he was in the process of making us a playoff contender, that would be great, because I'm in the mood for a little bit of fantasy.

[Mustachio]

"What was so bad about Sam Vincent?" I'm hoping this is a rhetorical question...but if not (and I'm terrified that it isn't) I'll give you a handfull of examples to edify you

(In no particular order)
1. He started Jeff McInnis for basically the entire season, even after he said he'd no longer start Jeff McInnis.

2. It took MJ releasing Jeff McInnis to stop SV from starting Jeff McInnis.

3. See the end of the Boston game of Thanksgiving weekend.

4. No improvement whatsoever: 2 games OVER .500 after 10 games; 18 games UNDER at end of the seaon.

5. Benched Mek and mused on why Mek's performance wasn't up to snuff.

6. Rarely played JD during the first half of the season.

7. http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/04/this-isnt-going.html

8. Cancelled a flight to Milwaukee in December without consulting ANYONE within the organization.

9. Never took the blame for any of this season's disappointments; during the season or after; in his mind he was 32-0 this year, the players were 0-50.

10. No obvious exercise of in-game strategy.

This is just enough to fill up a prologue of a Russian novel which makes up Vincent's faults, but it gives you several answers to you question.

Now, if you could tell me how he was in the process of making us a playoff contender, that would be great, because I'm in the mood for a little bit of fantasy.


dayum. that was good

[timang]

FINALLY!!! biscuit will be yesterday's news real soon.





now we're off to a good start. here's to '08-'09!

[Alex]

I still can't believe it, this is like Christmas in April.

I have a really good feeling about a possible announcement tomorrow of our new coach.

[ohara831]

Very interesting in the True Hoop article. Mentioned that in post season interviews with players, Vincent was apparently mentioned quite a bit. Like we were all suggesting, if the players backed him, he'd be back. They apparently did not, and he is not. Thankfully.

[Muttley]

i just wanted to ask what was so bad about sam vincent. i mean he did a lot better then bickerstaff did. he was in the process of making us a playoff contender and then we just let him go. i wish we couldve stayed one more year because i know that he wouldve proved all yall hatas wrong

Really?

Building a playoff contender with players that wouldn't listen to him at all? That is the craziest thing I've heard since someone said that Tyler Hansboro would win 3 MVPs in The Association.

[amour217]

Dear Sam,

Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.

Love,
Bobcatsplanet (we're right next to Uranus)

[Dead_Real]

Only thing that sucks is that we wont be able to dress up in the custom made "when in doubt lock Sam out" T-shirts next season :(

[amour217]

Only thing that sucks is that we wont be able to dress up in the custom made "when in doubt lock Sam out" T-shirts next season :(


There should be a Ham Biscuit shirt with a big ol boot print on the back lol

[dvdbumpus]

There should be a Ham Biscuit shirt with a big ol boot print on the back lol

Maybe an axe.

[masta249]

"What was so bad about Sam Vincent?" I'm hoping this is a rhetorical question...but if not (and I'm terrified that it isn't) I'll give you a handfull of examples to edify you

(In no particular order)
1. He started Jeff McInnis for basically the entire season, even after he said he'd no longer start Jeff McInnis.

2. It took MJ releasing Jeff McInnis to stop SV from starting Jeff McInnis.

3. See the end of the Boston game of Thanksgiving weekend.

4. No improvement whatsoever: 2 games OVER .500 after 10 games; 18 games UNDER at end of the seaon.

5. Benched Mek and mused on why Mek's performance wasn't up to snuff.

6. Rarely played JD during the first half of the season.

7. http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/04/this-isnt-going.html

8. Cancelled a flight to Milwaukee in December without consulting ANYONE within the organization.

9. Never took the blame for any of this season's disappointments; during the season or after; in his mind he was 32-0 this year, the players were 0-50.

10. No obvious exercise of in-game strategy.

This is just enough to fill up a prologue of a Russian novel which makes up Vincent's faults, but it gives you several answers to you question.

Now, if you could tell me how he was in the process of making us a playoff contender, that would be great, because I'm in the mood for a little bit of fantasy.


youre stupid. and jared dudley is awful

[amour217]

youre stupid. and jared dudley is awful

WHAT?! Jared Dudley belongs in the Cloverfield sequel...cuz he's a freakin MONSTER

[TheBeagle]

youre stupid. and jared dudley is awful
I guess this is what you get when you try to enter into a dialogue with an actual Sam "FHB" Vincent supporter.....Pre-school insults and demented player assessment; you and Sam were obviously separated at birth.

[Alex]

youre stupid. and jared dudley is awful

consider yourself negged

[dvdbumpus]

youre stupid. and jared dudley is awful


Be more polite or be quiet.

[Slam]

youre stupid. and jared dudley is awful

You calling someone "stupid" is wayyyyyyyyy out of line, but I'd like to hear your justification for labeling Dudley as "awful".

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, elaborate on yours when it comes to Dudley.

[dav7z]

I guess this is what you get when you try to enter into a dialogue with an actual Sam "FHB" Vincent supporter.....Pre-school insults and demented player assessment; you and Sam were obviously separated at birth.


Beagle disreguard the commits made about you on a personal basis. Your post are imformitive and quite good.
I too can't understand the commit he made about Dudley .[please explain] Because i too thought he did quite good for a rookie picked 22nd.