If we trade our draft pick this year...

[swetooth9]

who do you guys think is available for trade from other teams that we could get with this draft pick and maybe someone from our roster?

just curious since LB likes the veterans

[ohara831]

I think we need to wait a few weeks to discuss this issue. We have to wait and see where the ping pong balls drop on 5/20. If we somehow lucked into the 1st or 2nd pick, I dont trade it. Beasley and Rose are going to be exceptional and they will have a major role in the future success of this team. If we pick 8th or later, then it is something to discuss. But without knowing where we pick, you cannot know the value of our pick.

Definitely worth discussing once the balls drop.

[MattD]

Definitely worth discussing once the balls drop.

funny.

but really, what ohara said, it is too premature to speculate on that, lets see what happens in the draft lottery, also see what happens in the playoffs and if someone is looking to deal after not going as far as they thought they would.

[ohara831]

Oops! That was not intentional, but I see what you're saying there MattD! That was an unintentional funny.

[masta249]

Oops! That was not intentional, but I see what you're saying there MattD! That was an unintentional funny.

nerrrrrrrrrrrrd

[Mustachio]

just in the interest of the thread ill play along.

IF we get the 8th pick....

what about sending Okafor and our first for Brand and the clips second rounder?

Ray Rich Wallace Brand Nazr??? sounds pretty damn good to me.

[spectre]

just in the interest of the thread ill play along.

IF we get the 8th pick....

what about sending Okafor and our first for Brand and the clips second rounder?

Ray Rich Wallace Brand Nazr??? sounds pretty damn good to me.

They have Kaman locked up for the next 4 years at an average of 10.5 +/-, and if you do a "compare" on NBA.com you'd have to figure they'd never do that trade. I'd love to have Brand tho.

I still have the Odom/filler for Crash/use the 8th to draft a SG (Westbrook maybe?) and the 8th/filler for POR's 13th/Frye/Jack.

Rather keep Crash but Odom would fill the PF hole a LOT better than Frye would. Between the two I think that one would make the team better overall.

[dnbman]

They have Kaman locked up for the next 4 years at an average of 10.5 +/-, and if you do a "compare" on NBA.com you'd have to figure they'd never do that trade. I'd love to have Brand tho.

I still have the Odom/filler for Crash/use the 8th to draft a SG (Westbrook maybe?) and the 8th/filler for POR's 13th/Frye/Jack.

Rather keep Crash but Odom would fill the PF hole a LOT better than Frye would. Between the two I think that one would make the team better overall.

I agree about the practical role of a player like Odom over Wallace. What I really like about the trade is that it's an actual all-star caliber player who's relatively well known, unlike many of the suggest trades where send Wallace for guys like David Lee, who while interesting and effective players, aren't on Wallace's level.

[Slam]

funny.

but really, what ohara said, it is too premature to speculate on that, lets see what happens in the draft lottery, also see what happens in the playoffs and if someone is looking to deal after not going as far as they thought they would.

Balls dropping. Premature.

What the hell has this board turned into ??

I blame Larry Brown!!

;)

If we do trade our pick, I just hope we get bang for our buck. I don't expect a "Swish" type level deal, but I would like a starting PF (the Portland deal is the best for us IMO) or a "two 1st round picks for one type deal" at the very least.

[dav7z]

Balls dropping. Premature.

What the hell has this board turned into ??

I blame Larry Brown!!

;)

If we do trade our pick, I just hope we get bang for our buck. I don't expect a "Swish" type level deal, but I would like a starting PF (the Portland deal is the best for us IMO) or a "two 1st round picks for one type deal" at the very least.


You blame Brown watch it ,SLAM
I for one would have to jump all over the Portland deal if we got any thing below a number five pick. Frye and Jack come on people..............

[Slam]

You blame Brown watch it ,SLAM

I think that the anoucenment of him coming in has caused a lot of man love and talk of balls dropping and being premature!!

;)

[spectre]

You blame Brown watch it ,SLAM
I for one would have to jump all over the Portland deal if we got any thing below a number five pick. Frye and Jack come on people..............

They're not that good. Frye has always been known as soft and Jack (according to POR fans) sucks on a faster pace due to him not having very good court vision.

I'd think it was a reach to consider Frye a lock for our starting PF, but he's certainly better than what we ran with for most of the year. Heck, give Davidson a little consistent PT and he might be just as good.

I'd do the trade for the depth, but mainly because I'm not enamored with anyone after the 3rd or 4th pick.

[dav7z]

They're not that good. Frye has always been known as soft and Jack (according to POR fans) sucks on a faster pace due to him not having very good court vision.

I'd think it was a reach to consider Frye a lock for our starting PF, but he's certainly better than what we ran with for most of the year. Heck, give Davidson a little consistent PT and he might be just as good.

I'd do the trade for the depth, but mainly because I'm not enamored with anyone after the 3rd or 4th pick.

Agreeded no one after the fifth pick thet i can tell. Frye, and Jack would be great depth.
I think Frye might even start next to Okafor with Rich ,Wallace,and Felts. I think Brown could get him to play good defence and hit the boards . If he could just do that any thing else would be a bonus.

[swetooth9]

is this 13th/frye/jack trade proposal an actual rumor or is it some guy messing with the trade machine?

[x2pacalypse]

holy shit masta you are annoying as fuck jesus christ did ur mother forget to let u suckle the milk out of her titties yesterday? damn...you are pissing me off so much that im gonna go beat ur high scores in the arcade...

asshole

[BobCatsFanInTx]

who do you guys think is available for trade from other teams that we could get with this draft pick and maybe someone from our roster?

just curious since LB likes the veteransJermaine O'Neal

[dnbman]

Jermaine O'Neal

I know he has his issues, but I'd trade our pick in a second for O'Neal.

How would it work money-wise though? Is it possible without a significant salaried outgoing player?

[Alex]

Jermaine O'Neal is done folks.

[EvetsMorrison15]

If we trade our draft pick this year... I will be happy.

[Dead_Real]

I know he has his issues, but I'd trade our pick in a second for O'Neal.

How would it work money-wise though? Is it possible without a significant salaried outgoing player?
Making a hard run at Odom or Jamison would be 10X better than going after another injury concern player like O'Neal that's the LAST thing we need honestly.

[spectre]

I know he has his issues, but I'd trade our pick in a second for O'Neal.

How would it work money-wise though? Is it possible without a significant salaried outgoing player?

Really? Dag DNB...and I thought so much of your opinion too...

:D

Just kidding dude.

Wrap y'all's minds around these two numbers...$21,372,000 and $23,016.000...that's his salary the next two seasons. Guys that is Crash AND Swish's salary combined for one fricking year! That's also over 1/3rd of the allowable cap. Over the last 4 seasons this guy has played a total of 206 out of a possible 328 games...less than 2/3.

I'd MUCH rather pay Mek 15 million a year...and no, I don't want to do that either.

[dnbman]

Really? Dag DNB...and I thought so much of your opinion too...

:D

Just kidding dude.

Wrap y'all's minds around these two numbers...$21,372,000 and $23,016.000...that's his salary the next two seasons. Guys that is Crash AND Swish's salary combined for one fricking year! That's also over 1/3rd of the allowable cap. Over the last 4 seasons this guy has played a total of 206 out of a possible 328 games...less than 2/3.

I'd MUCH rather pay Mek 15 million a year...and no, I don't want to do that either.

I didn't even look at his salary. For some reason, I thought he was going to be a FA this year.

JON just seems like Carter, a guy who's gotten frustrated where he's at and thus gets injured more so than usual simply from his situation. The mind can do pretty weird things.

I don't know though. Honestly, I didn't pay too much attention to JON this season other than the game the Pacers played here, where JON looked pretty good.

I don't know. I retract my statement. If money wasn't an issue, I'd probably still trade the pick for JON to see if he could go.

[swetooth9]

now that we know our pick...waht do you guys think...trade it or no?

[amour217]

Either we trade the pick or we get resigned to the fact that the #9 pick, at least this year, will be almost a non-factor, barring injuries. Larry Brown just doesn't play rookies, so unless we draft someone who makes a complete assault on the summer leagues and pre-season, they're gonna sit....at least that's how I feel right now, but then again I'm frustrated we only got a lousy #9 pick

[ammofan]

Yeah i know. C'mon #9?

And why was Rod Higgins there? MJ or Bob Johnson could've at least shown up.

[amour217]

If we trade our pick, do you all think it'll be all by itself, or part of some kind of package? In my mind, I guess we'll have to wait and see what buzz is coming out of the workouts to see who is creating some draft buzz...maybe there will be a player or two that creates enough buzz, but doesn't fit our team, but another team is salivating over...ya never know

[mrtarheel]

I don't see anyone wanting # 9. We have to package it with someone or next years pick to do anything significant. Maybe someone will rise up out of the draft camps but the way those balls fell it took the wind out of alot of people. I feel we have to be aggresive in free agency and go out and get what we need quickly. Don't sit back and wait until it's all gone, be the man and go get what you want starting now. Look at the Nets, they are trying to get better already. You can't wait until everyone has picked over the best and get leftovers. That would be another eastern confrence team you have to deal with. What if we traded crash for al harrington. He would provide us with the scoring we need and help out on the boards alittle bit. He was with LB in Indiana and we deal with GSW seeing that we have ties to each other. Maybe try to squeeze someone like Matt Barnes out of the deal.

[spectre]

Kind of inspired on the RealGM trade board by Utah fans:

Boozer for Crash, Nazr and #8 (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=791110)

Boozer/Brewer for Crash/Harrington (expiring)/9th.

I think that's what we could possibly shoot for anyway. We'd get a great offensive scoring in Boozer and a nice lockdown 2 in Brewer.

[Slam]

Boozer/Brewer for Crash/Harrington (expiring)/9th.

I would 100% be all over that deal.

Felts - R.Brew - Swish - Boozer - EO50

[spectre]

I would 100% be all over that deal.

Felts - R.Brew - Swish - Boozer - EO50

and combine it with your idea and we effectively no longer have to worry about McMay. I think we'd still need a 2nd point like Watson (Brewer does have some PG skills doesn't he?), but we'd be pretty solid throughout:

Felts/Brewer/FA
Brewer/Hammer/Swish
Swish/Duds
Booz/TT/Davidson
Mek/Nazr/Hollins

[ohara831]

That's a pretty solid trade! Let me ask you this, do you think that we can trade #9 and Ammo to Portland for LMA? They have Oden and Joey P already. This would give them 2 Lottery picks and Ammo as a bench player with some potential. He could develope into a Wally Szerbiak like player.

For us, putting LMA with Okafor gives us one of the most powerful front lines in the NBA, and we grap a backup PG with our 2nd rounder.

Is it possible from the Portland point of view? If so, would you do it as a Bobcat fan?

[Slam]

and combine it with your idea and we effectively no longer have to worry about McMay. I think we'd still need a 2nd point like Watson (Brewer does have some PG skills doesn't he?), but we'd be pretty solid throughout:

Felts/Brewer/FA
Brewer/Hammer/Swish
Swish/Duds
Booz/TT/Davidson
Mek/Nazr/Hollins

That would be freaking sensational and rival what the Blazers did 2 years ago when they turned their franchise around.

[ohara831]

Slam, we posted simultaneously. What do you think of my proposal just above your last comment?

[Slam]

That's a pretty solid trade! Let me ask you this, do you think that we can trade #9 and Ammo to Portland for LMA? They have Oden and Joey P already. This would give them 2 Lottery picks and Ammo as a bench player with some potential. He could develope into a Wally Szerbiak like player.

For us, putting LMA with Okafor gives us one of the most powerful front lines in the NBA, and we grap a backup PG with our 2nd rounder.

Is it possible from the Portland point of view? If so, would you do it as a Bobcat fan?

I'd 100% do it, but the Blazers wouldn't.

[ohara831]

I was fearing the Blazers might not do it. Rats!

[spectre]

You can't blame them for salivating over a Oden/LMA line though...I wouldn't give him up either if I were them.

Of course Mek/Booz wouldn't be chopped liver either.

I think all this is at least possible, and exactly the type of thing MJ needs to do in order to get us on the right track.

[ohara831]

Boozer did not do so much for Utah vs the Lakers. He seemed to be kind of soft on the inside, rushing shots when people are guarding him. I'm know I'm being very picky here, but if we are to give up the #9, I just want someone who we will not be criticizing for being too soft inside.

[spectre]

I didn't really see the Utah/LAL series, but I did see the Utah fans pretty much calling for Boozer's head after the fact.

Thing is they don't have a defensive presence to team with him like we do. We need scoring and at least average defense from the guy (very difficult to get the whole nine yards) and that should be very possible.

And adding Brewer would be huge too as he brings perimeter D as well as starting experience.

[ohara831]

I didn't really see the Utah/LAL series, but I did see the Utah fans pretty much calling for Boozer's head after the fact.

Thing is they don't have a defensive presence to team with him like we do. We need scoring and at least average defense from the guy (very difficult to get the whole nine yards) and that should be very possible.

And adding Brewer would be huge too as he brings perimeter D as well as starting experience.

__________________________________________________ ______________________

I agree. And yes, Boozer did deserve the criticism as he missed a whole lot of shots inside 5 feet when someone was showing some Defense and it was cruch time. Nonetheless, filling both positions (backup PG and PF) would be very very helpful. Would have to be seriously considered.

Hey, is there any way we could get them to add in their late 1st in the deal? That would likely seal the deal for me. Give them May in the deal to get that 1st. Having a pick in the mid 20's to add with our 2nd would allow us to grab another quality player. I think I have some concerns about losing Okafor after this season, and grabbing Hibbert or McGee with that pick would really be some needed depth.

[Muttley]

I would think that Okafor/Boozer would be significantly different from Okur/Boozer.

My thought is that our version would be better and allow both big men to do what they do. I did watch the Lakers' series and was confused at the disappearance of Boozer in some of the games. However, I've also been following him all year (he was on my fantasy team) and he's been a hell of a player all year long. Maybe he wasn't ready to be the focus on that kind of stage. That isn't really a concern for me with the Bobcats though, because I'd be happy next season to reach the conference semis. Additionally, we've got JRich to be our offensive focus at crunch time.

Having Brewer would be a sweet addition too. You guys have some really great ideas, and I love reading them. If I were an owner, you 3 would all have jobs.

[swetooth9]

that would be an interesting boozer trade, but i'm not sure if they would be willing to trade boozer away so quickly with him + deron being the new "stockton and malone" combo in town...plus i think they like ronnie brewer after his great play in the last few games of the playoffs

plus crash is my fav player :(

[spectre]

Their original idea was Boozer for Crash/Nazr/9th, but most agreed that was too much for Boozer. They then suggested adding in their pick or Brewer. I think he was added in because they see AK47 being able to play his natural position after this trade at the 2, making Brewer a bench player.

I'd take the known over the unknown...esp. since the unknown is a later 1st...any day.

Due to our lack of bigs I'm a little hesitant to add in Nazr, but really we could replace him with something cheaper. Voskuhl wasn't that much of a dropoff and we could have kept him for half the price. By adding him in per their original suggestion that might actually save us some money.

[ohara831]

Boozer, Brewer and their #23 for Crash, Nazr and our #9.

I would want that #23 to draft someone like Hibbert or McGee. We need to grab a Center to groom to take over in case Okafor leaves after next season.

[MattD]

ive been thinking about that, id definitely pull the trigger, somehow I dont think the Jazz would want to part with both those guys. Call up Rod

[spectre]

Boozer, Brewer and their #23 for Crash, Nazr and our #9.

I would want that #23 to draft someone like Hibbert or McGee. We need to grab a Center to groom to take over in case Okafor leaves after next season.

I think their pick is pushing it. I can see how they'd think Booz is worth a little more than Crash and the 9th slightly more than Brewer and Nazr is filler...not worth a 23rd pick.

But hell, I'd definitely take it.

[MattD]

dont forget about charlie v. hes on the block. I would be willing to give up 9 to get charlie v.

[mrtarheel]

Heck if they would just give up Boozer and #23 for Crash / Nazr and # 9 I'd be all over it. Boozer (even though he is a Dukieeeeeeee) brings us pts in the paint and toughness around the boards. Maybe then go after Morris Almond who we could use at the 2 since last year some had us picking him anyway. We could go after a free agent combo or pg or either draft one. He might not be a Westbrook but with that line up it would be killer. Far as # 9 for Charlie V. that is alittle to much to me but if we could get Bell with him it would help.

[amour217]

dont forget about charlie v. hes on the block. I would be willing to give up 9 to get charlie v.

I'll be fine with Charlie V as long as he grows a pair and stops settling for long jumpers. He's athletic enough to have an inside-outside game and be very active on the boards, making him a nice threat

[Slam]

If we had a guy like Boozer on the roster, EO50 would be a 15 rebound per game player and lead the NBA in boards.

Book it.

If that Boozer/Brewer for Crash/Harrington (expiring)/9th deal went down, how would each teams line ups look?

Bobbies:
Felts - FA?
R.Brew - Hammer
Swish - Dude - Ammo
Boozer - McMay - Davidson
EO50 - Nazzy - Hollins

Jazzy:
D.Will - Price
AK47 - Almond
Crash - Korver
Mansap - Love?
Okur - Collins

Damn you Spectre!! You really know how to get the juices flowing!! I'd freaking LOVE this deal for us!!

Stage #2 would be trying to get back into the mid-late lotto and drafting DJ or Westbrook to back up Felts!

[Grandmama]

If that deal comes around the bobbies would be insane to turn it down. Sorry Crash, I love you, but pack your bags. Fortunately, Utah is kind of like Alabama, right?

[murphman]

Another thing to consider is the cap for next season and luxury tax limit. Projected to be 58 and 71 mil...roughly. Right now the Cats have 8 contracts locked in next year hitting at 45 mil. If Hollins and Davidson come back it goes up to 46.6 mil. Then there is Okafor. If he wises up and signs that contract offered last year he will cost about 10 mil next season (I'm assuming it will be backloaded). So that gives us 11 guys totaling about 57 million. Probably less than 15 million under the luxury tax.

Thus I can't really see them trading #9 flat out for another player with a high cap hit. I don't think Bob is quite ready to toy with the luxury tax.

[ohara831]

OK. Dont get mad, but I'm brainstorming on how to get OJ Mayo and a PF player which we need. I am NOT advocating this trade, but inquiring if anyone thinks they might be willing to do this deal. I'm going to just once ask for opinions on bringing in a guy who people dislike, even tho he is an 18 pt 10 reb PF. Yes, the infamous Zach R. in NY. The Knicks want him gone, and are basically begging someone to take him. They want to clear cap space to make a run a LaBron in a couple yrs.

What if we package a few expiring Contracts, give them the #9 pick and we get Zach and the #6 pick? IF, and I know this is a BIG IF, but IF Zach gets his attitude right, he is very productive at the #4 hole. Lacks some on Defense I know, but that is 18 pts and 10 reb, also. Then, at #6, we can likely land OJ Mayo. Think about a lineup of Ray, J-Rich, Crash, Zach and Okafor, with Mayo spelling Ray and J-Rich at the PG and SG, having Carroll, Ammo, Dudley and our 2nd coming off the bench. Could we get them to take May, Hollins, and another couple expirings to make the #'s work?

I know he has a bad rep, but that could give us a PF with serious scoring potential AND help us get Mayo. My goal is to get Mayo and PF, and this may be something NY is willing to do to get rid of Randolph's Contract. I would like to think that Zach can begin to understand how he needs to act to improve his reputation. Randy Moss did it in New England, and TO has been a good guy in Dallas. Why cant Zach be a good guy in Charlotte.

Hey, I know most will say stay away from Randolph, but if the Knicks are desperate, they may give up the farm to get rid of the jackass. And #6 is better than #9. Anyone willing to make a go of it?

[Slam]

If Randolph's contract didn't still have 4 years left on it I would think about it, but as it stands, I would pass.

[MattD]

If we had a guy like Boozer on the roster, EO50 would be a 15 rebound per game player and lead the NBA in boards.

Book it.

If that Boozer/Brewer for Crash/Harrington (expiring)/9th deal went down, how would each teams line ups look?

Bobbies:
Felts - FA?
R.Brew - Hammer
Swish - Dude - Ammo
Boozer - McMay - Davidson
EO50 - Nazzy - Hollins

Jazzy:
D.Will - Price
AK47 - Almond
Crash - Korver
Mansap - Love?
Okur - Collins

Damn you Spectre!! You really know how to get the juices flowing!! I'd freaking LOVE this deal for us!!

Stage #2 would be trying to get back into the mid-late lotto and drafting DJ or Westbrook to back up Felts!

nope thats not good. Jazz wouldnt take that, unless they thought (which they shouldnt) they could get a top starting ready SG out of that deal with 9.

Jazz want to put AK47 at his "natural" position of PF, so theyre ok with losing Boozer for a good SF like Crash. Their SG problem would need to be remedied before they accept.

[MattD]

OK. Dont get mad, but I'm brainstorming on how to get OJ Mayo and a PF player which we need. I am NOT advocating this trade, but inquiring if anyone thinks they might be willing to do this deal. I'm going to just once ask for opinions on bringing in a guy who people dislike, even tho he is an 18 pt 10 reb PF. Yes, the infamous Zach R. in NY. The Knicks want him gone, and are basically begging someone to take him. They want to clear cap space to make a run a LaBron in a couple yrs.

What if we package a few expiring Contracts, give them the #9 pick and we get Zach and the #6 pick? IF, and I know this is a BIG IF, but IF Zach gets his attitude right, he is very productive at the #4 hole. Lacks some on Defense I know, but that is 18 pts and 10 reb, also. Then, at #6, we can likely land OJ Mayo. Think about a lineup of Ray, J-Rich, Crash, Zach and Okafor, with Mayo spelling Ray and J-Rich at the PG and SG, having Carroll, Ammo, Dudley and our 2nd coming off the bench. Could we get them to take May, Hollins, and another couple expirings to make the #'s work?

I know he has a bad rep, but that could give us a PF with serious scoring potential AND help us get Mayo. My goal is to get Mayo and PF, and this may be something NY is willing to do to get rid of Randolph's Contract. I would like to think that Zach can begin to understand how he needs to act to improve his reputation. Randy Moss did it in New England, and TO has been a good guy in Dallas. Why cant Zach be a good guy in Charlotte.

Hey, I know most will say stay away from Randolph, but if the Knicks are desperate, they may give up the farm to get rid of the jackass. And #6 is better than #9. Anyone willing to make a go of it?

I doubt a team like the Knicks who are trying to REBUILD are going to give away a good draft pick for a no mans land pick (our 9) when they want to get a big time scorer like Gordon, Mayo, or Bayless. Even if they clear out a terrible contract. I dont know, but thats just my perception.

Plus I hate ZRandolph, if we really wanted to, then package the deal and buy him out, have cap space, sign iggy, trade crash for boozer,

have this
Felts
Iggy
Jrich
Boozer
Okafor

Mayo 6th man off the bench can play for felts, iggy, jswish.

Now were talking. But of course, I am getting ahead of myself as always.

[Slam]

nope thats not good. Jazz wouldnt take that, unless they thought (which they shouldnt) they could get a top starting ready SG out of that deal with 9.

Jazz want to put AK47 at his "natural" position of PF, so theyre ok with losing Boozer for a good SF like Crash. Their SG problem would need to be remedied before they accept.

They have Mo Almond who was scorching the D last season who can play the 2, along with CJ Miles who a lot of the Jazz fans are high on. Failing that, they could hope that Mayo, Gordon or Westbrook are there when that use our #9 pick to fill that SG spot.

I really think the deal has legs for both teams.



Spectre: You should post your idea here and see what they think:

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=791707

[ohara831]

OK. I was reading Big Slams Post Lotto Mock on RealGM. At the top, there is a little blurb about the Knicks packaging their #6 with either Curry or Randolph to free up money for 2010 when they can make a run at Dwayne Wade or LaBron. The article is in the NY Post. That is exactly what I was saying above. I dont think we have to give up Crash or anyone good. Just expiring Contracts so they can free up space. Moving down from #6 to #9 still gives them a quality player to draft, perhaps Love or someone else they really desire. But NY is not looking to win real big next year. They are focused on drafting a fine young player, but they want Wade or LaBron in 2010. That is the goal.

We can fill 2 holes with Randolph playing the PF and drafting Mayo at #6. I really think Mayo lasts until #6. A starting five of Ray, J-Rich, Crash, Randolph and Okafor is terrific, especially in the East. Mayo as our 6th man who spells Ray at PG and J-Rich at SG and who is a quality defender. The rest of the bench can be Ammo, Carroll, Dudley, Nazr, May and our 2nd rounder. Hell, I'd even give NY our 2nd in the deal if they insisted. Fill the last 3 spots with undrafted guys or D-Leaguers.

I just think that NY is so intent on getting LaBron or Wade, that they will give up a lot in order to have someone take Randolph. And again, 18 pts and 10 reb is not a bad thing. If the team takes Randolph under their wing, treats him as a teammate and makes him feel welcome, I think the kid can gel with us nicely.

And, I really want Mayo. The kid is going to be special. In 3 years, people will be kicking themselves in the butt for passing on him.

[Slam]

Even if we wanted to do the deal, we don't have the contracts to make the money match without giving up one of our core.

BTW - if we did this deal with the Knicks I think they would be a lock to draft Jordan to team with Curry.

[Mustachio]

They have Mo Almond who was scorching the D last season who can play the 2, along with CJ Miles who a lot of the Jazz fans are high on. Failing that, they could hope that Mayo, Gordon or Westbrook are there when that use our #9 pick to fill that SG spot.

I really think the deal has legs for both teams.



Spectre: You should post your idea here and see what they think:

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=791707


no reservations about putting Crash and AK 47 on the same team??...

while making us a lot better in the front court, it would make us worse in the back court.

I just dont wanna do any deals that make the other team better than we can get. I think this deal makes us good, but it makes them great.

[mrtarheel]

no reservations about putting Crash and AK 47 on the same team??...

while making us a lot better in the front court, it would make us worse in the back court.

I just dont wanna do any deals that make the other team better than we can get. I think this deal makes us good, but it makes them great.

They will be out west. We we sure up our post play with everyone's attention on Boozer downlow Okafor could be a beast on the offensive boards. Back court wouldn't be bad even if we were forced to take Almond instead of Brewer. That would free up some cap space and we could go after some free agents if necessary. I read an article today about a former ACC player wanting to make it back into the NBA and he just might fit our combo guard spot and maybe even some SF. Julius Hodge could be out there on the cheap and he does have defensive skills and could play alittle pg. He played pg alittle in college, if not pg it was point forward. Thoughts

[ohara831]

Reading over at Realgm. A trade proposal with Seattle:

Wilcox and #4 to Charlotte for Felton and #9

Appears to be something the Seattle fans liked. I like it for us. Wilcox can bang and handle the PF role. And with #4, we can grab Bayless as our PG. Bayless is going to be an exceptional PG. Or we grab Mayo for the PG, although he seems to be more suited towards a Combo role. Still, if he can handle the rock, he is a hell of a lot better scorer than Ray. We can be very dangerous with that lineup.

I would be all over this in a second. Hell, I'd pack Ray's bags for him for this deal! I know some of you would not like it, but I bet the majority of you will jump on this deal.

[spectre]

Reading over at Realgm. A trade proposal with Seattle:

Wilcox and #4 to Charlotte for Felton and #9

Appears to be something the Seattle fans liked. I like it for us. Wilcox can bang and handle the PF role. And with #4, we can grab Bayless as our PG. Bayless is going to be an exceptional PG. Or we grab Mayo for the PG, although he seems to be more suited towards a Combo role. Still, if he can handle the rock, he is a hell of a lot better scorer than Ray. We can be very dangerous with that lineup.

I would be all over this in a second. Hell, I'd pack Ray's bags for him for this deal! I know some of you would not like it, but I bet the majority of you will jump on this deal.

I'll admit that's mighty intriguing...I want Mayo that much. Wilcox is a UFA after next season and I'm afraid we might have to overpay for him; IMO he's not a 10 per plus guy but he'll probably get it from somebody. He doesn't have that money shot like Boozer or Brand nor does he have the BBIQ of Odom.

We'd have to make a hard push for an Anthony Carter type or we could even do a Crash for TJ trade, but I'm skittish of him because of the injury concerns.

I'd have to think about it. It'd take some revamping and I don't know that I'd prefer that over the other possibilities. Not going to totally discount it tho.

[ohara831]

There has been some good talk on a Boozer deal. But on ESPN Insider today (no link to Insider), they are saying the Heat are targeting Boozer. If we have competition with a Division rival for him, the price may be too steep. Utah will have us bidding against each other and get a hell of a bargain. We cannot afford that to happen. If we are going to have to pay a high price, I'd rather grab Elton Brand from the Clippers, as has been discussed on the Boozer or Brand Thread.

[spectre]

There has been some good talk on a Boozer deal. But on ESPN Insider today (no link to Insider), they are saying the Heat are targeting Boozer. If we have competition with a Division rival for him, the price may be too steep. Utah will have us bidding against each other and get a hell of a bargain. We cannot afford that to happen. If we are going to have to pay a high price, I'd rather grab Elton Brand from the Clippers, as has been discussed on the Boozer or Brand Thread.

Unless they're giving up their pick I don't think Miami can top Crash. But we do know Miami has interest; we don't know that we do.

What do you think it'd take for Brand (realizing he can opt out...I think)?

[Slam]

Reading over at Realgm. A trade proposal with Seattle:

Wilcox and #4 to Charlotte for Felton and #9

Appears to be something the Seattle fans liked. I like it for us. Wilcox can bang and handle the PF role. And with #4, we can grab Bayless as our PG. Bayless is going to be an exceptional PG. Or we grab Mayo for the PG, although he seems to be more suited towards a Combo role. Still, if he can handle the rock, he is a hell of a lot better scorer than Ray. We can be very dangerous with that lineup.

I would be all over this in a second. Hell, I'd pack Ray's bags for him for this deal! I know some of you would not like it, but I bet the majority of you will jump on this deal.

Hmmmmmm, it's not a bad deal - but I don't want to go through 3 more years of growing pains with a new rookie PG. Bayless is more a shooting PG than a passing PG - and I like my PG's to pass 1st, pass 2nd and shoot 3rd.

Any way we could get Ridnour in the deal? Then we could use the 4 pick on Mayo and groom him as we want him then look to trade Crash for the best deal possible?

[spectre]

Hmmmmmm, it's not a bad deal - but I don't want to go through 3 more years of growing pains with a new rookie PG. Bayless is more a shooting PG than a passing PG - and I like my PG's to pass 1st, pass 2nd and shoot 3rd.

Any way we could get Ridnour in the deal? Then we could use the 4 pick on Mayo and groom him as we want him then look to trade Crash for the best deal possible?

I have no doubt we could get Ridnour...maybe even Watson (who I'd probably prefer).

[ohara831]

Wow! If we could get Watson, Wilcox and #4 for Ray and #9, that would be the Deal of the Century - behind the Pao Gasol theft.

[spectre]

We'd have to add a player or two in for salary so it'd cost more, but there's a reason they want Felts in that deal. Who would we be willing to give up as basically filler? Ammo?

[Muttley]

Julius Hodge could be out there on the cheap and he does have defensive skills and could play alittle pg. He played pg alittle in college, if not pg it was point forward. Thoughts


I'd be real happy to see Hodge get back into the NBA, and even more so to have him as a Bobcat. He's found success in each level of the game that he's played except for the NBA. Maybe he won't be able to cut it at this level, but I'm not so sure. I think he could be a good hard-working guard that could fit in very well with this team and fill in at several positions.

[ohara831]

We'd have to add a player or two in for salary so it'd cost more, but there's a reason they want Felts in that deal. Who would we be willing to give up as basically filler? Ammo?

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In any deal in which we have to give up one of our younger guys, I would push hard to make it May instead of Ammo. I believe that Ammo can be a 20 min/game bench player who can give us 10-12 pts/game. I love his passion for the game. May, I dont believe he took things serious enough and got too out of shape. I dont see his knees allowing him to play much, so I'd give him up before Ammo. It is one thing for Amare to come back from that knee surgery as he was a terrific physical specimen who took care of himself. May never did and I believe that it is only a matter of time before he slacks off and is so far out of shape he could not pass a Team physical.

[swetooth9]

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In any deal in which we have to give up one of our younger guys, I would push hard to make it May instead of Ammo. I believe that Ammo can be a 20 min/game bench player who can give us 10-12 pts/game. I love his passion for the game. May, I dont believe he took things serious enough and got too out of shape. I dont see his knees allowing him to play much, so I'd give him up before Ammo. It is one thing for Amare to come back from that knee surgery as he was a terrific physical specimen who took care of himself. May never did and I believe that it is only a matter of time before he slacks off and is so far out of shape he could not pass a Team physical.

antoine walker-style

[x2pacalypse]

i think almost all of us would rather give up may than ammo but i don't think he would give us any value which is why morrison's name keeps getting brought into the picture, as he offers us the best trade value without sacrificing our main 4 guys

[BIGCatBobcat]

The thing that sucked was last summer McMay had some trade value. Now I think the whole league knows, hell even people who just know of him, like the guys in my office, know that his knee is bone on bone, he'll never play 2 nights, possibly 2 games, back to back. Basically he is a 24 year old Othella Harrington.

[DirtyU11]

Ive been reading all the Boozer trade talk and i thought a Boozer/Brewer/#23 for Crash/Nazr/May/#9 would be a very realistic trade and we could then get a big in FA to replace Nazr for less money and draft someone like Donte Greene at #23 and grab another big with our 2nd round pick what do you guys think?

[ziggy]

Ive been reading all the Boozer trade talk and i thought a Boozer/Brewer/#23 for Crash/Nazr/May/#9 would be a very realistic trade and we could then get a big in FA to replace Nazr for less money and draft someone like Donte Greene at #23 and grab another big with our 2nd round pick what do you guys think?
Welcome to BobcatsPlanet Dirty,

If we had a chance to make that deal, I would do it. I'd hate to see Crash go, but that deal is too good to pass up.

[ALong13]

Anyone interested in Zack Lee from NY?

[ohara831]

Guys, I was going to post this on RealGM for some feedback, but wanted to run it by you first. I dont want to make an ass of myself, so I trust my fellow Bobcat fans to give me honest feedback.

Is Golden State happy with Brandon Wright? He is listed as 3rd string, and all the talk on their Boards is about needing a PF or Center in the Draft. Did they give up on him already? As much as I love J-Rich, I do think Wright will turn into a pretty good Pro given the chance to play and some time. He was sent to D-League for a while, and then got a little burn late in the yr. He should be improved this season.

NY Knicks are revamping and want picks. We want a PF/C to play with Okafor.

My idea:

We trade the #9 to Golden State for Wright. To make the $ work, send them someone - you guys pick. Golden State would then have the #9 and #14. They can offer those to NY to move up to #6 and also NY sends a serviceable player. G.S gets a higher pick and player and will be more pleased, and the Knicks move back 3 places and thereby get two Lottery Picks to help revamp their team. Charlotte gets a young PF who has a yr under his belt and who should make some serious advancement in his game.

Does this move anyone here to say "Hey, that works out well for everyone."? Or, am I just getting looney. I do realize this would be GS basically admitting they screwed up with the trade last yr. But we all make screw ups. That is why to make the $ work, we could likely send them their pick of May or Ammo.

[spectre]

Just saw that on RealGM and wanted to congratulate you for thinking out of the box!

GSW fans (on RealGM anyway) aren't going to go for it. They blame Nellie for not giving him PT and the few times he has played (going from memory thru the season) they for the most part thought he showed great signs.

From our POV, I'd just as soon have BWright over anyone else here at 9 save maybe Westbrook (I REALLY want a good combo), but he's still a project and I don't reall see us trading for one of those.

Maybe I'm wrong and Brown will go against his history because he really does consider this his last stop...but I think not trying to win now will go too much against his nature.

Then again, Dean might make him do this trade! :p

[MattD]

Just saw that on RealGM and wanted to congratulate you for thinking out of the box!

GSW fans (on RealGM anyway) aren't going to go for it. They blame Nellie for not giving him PT and the few times he has played (going from memory thru the season) they for the most part thought he showed great signs.

From our POV, I'd just as soon have BWright over anyone else here at 9 save maybe Westbrook (I REALLY want a good combo), but he's still a project and I don't reall see us trading for one of those.

Maybe I'm wrong and Brown will go against his history because he really does consider this his last stop...but I think not trying to win now will go too much against his nature.

Then again, Dean might make him do this trade! :p

why do you want a good combo when we have Felton who is basically just that?

Unless he has size and can actually play the 2 and shoot well, I dont think we need another combo guard.

[ohara831]

Well, it appears that despite being listed as #3 on PF Depth chart, and GS looking for a PF/C in the Draft, they are not giving up on Wright. I can understand that. It would really be them basically admitting they gave J-Rich away for nothing. I just have a feeling that if you put Wright in as a starter, with that 1 yr at UNC and one yr with GS, he's about ready to start making an impression. I think if given the starting PF role, he would do well this yr on our team with Okafor able to take a lot of pressure off of him on the front line and Crash and J-Rich keeping the Defense honest. Oh well, maybe Nellie and mgmnt are not in sync with the fans and they are ready to cut bait.

[spectre]

why do you want a good combo when we have Felton who is basically just that?

Unless he has size and can actually play the 2 and shoot well, I dont think we need another combo guard.

Didn't you hear what the only real coach we've ever had said? Felton is NOT a combo guard.

You realize most combo guards can shoot right? They also have size where they can play the 2 without any real defensive letdown. At most Felts is a scoring PG, and IMO the reason for that is Bernie and then Vincent pushing him to play that way.

Speaking of which...I'm now cooling a little bit on Westbrook, mainly because of his outside shot. Hate to pull in Corey Brewer Part 2.

[fatlever]

the difference between brewer and westbrook... westbrook will be able to beat defenders off the dribble and get to the rim. brewer has shaky handles and is not overly quicker than most small forwards/shooting guards he faces. it was pretty much known last year that brewer would have to rely on his outside shot to score. i'd be much more confident with westbrook than brewer.

[MattD]

Didn't you hear what the only real coach we've ever had said? Felton is NOT a combo guard.

You realize most combo guards can shoot right? They also have size where they can play the 2 without any real defensive letdown. At most Felts is a scoring PG, and IMO the reason for that is Bernie and then Vincent pushing him to play that way.

Speaking of which...I'm now cooling a little bit on Westbrook, mainly because of his outside shot. Hate to pull in Corey Brewer Part 2.

Ok, well Felton and Westbrook really both arent great shooters. Both are blisteringly quick, both can get to the rim with wreckless abandon. Both are generally good on the ball, but dont always have the best vision or make the best decisions.

Honestly, I dont know much about Westbrooks defense. I know feltons is solid, but its tough to guard shooters with 6 inches on you, so maybe westbrook has an edge there on felton.

Truth be told, I dont want another felton, thats why I sort of lost my excitement about Jerryd Bayless, and why I have no excitement about Westbrook.

I want a guy who knows how to make good decisions, has good vision. If he has a nice stroke, thats great, if he doesnt, make sure he only shoots when he is wide open, unlike guys like Felton and Westbrook who try to do too much.

Do you understand why I feel the way I do about Westbrook and Felton, whether or not you want to call them "combo-guards" or whatever.

[ohara831]

Spectre, I have to disagree about Bayless. He is a much better scorer than Ray, and he will be a very good PG as well. He will be very very good I think and would jump at the chance to have him on the Bobcats. Remember, he is only 18. Kid played in a big time program and handled himself very well. Westbrook is certainly not the PG Ray is, but he can handle the job as a backup, he can score, and his Defense is great. I am fine with him as a Bobcat, too. Ray is a good PG, but not so hot with scoring. Still, if we stay with Ray and go Big with #9, I'll be happy.

[MattD]

Spectre, I have to disagree about Bayless. He is a much better scorer than Ray, and he will be a very good PG as well. He will be very very good I think and would jump at the chance to have him on the Bobcats. Remember, he is only 18. Kid played in a big time program and handled himself very well. Westbrook is certainly not the PG Ray is, but he can handle the job as a backup, he can score, and his Defense is great. I am fine with him as a Bobcat, too. Ray is a good PG, but not so hot with scoring. Still, if we stay with Ray and go Big with #9, I'll be happy.

ray is a great scorer in the sense that he is great at getting to the rim and making insanely difficult layups look like cake. He is not a great scorer in the sense that his stroke is not really there. He also takes difficult shots to much. I can see Bayless falling into the same trap, though I think that the Bayless is a bit of a better shooter.

[spectre]

Heh, I know you meant Matt Ohara...I wouldn't know Bayless from Adam.

Fats thanks...makes me feel a little better. I've not seen any of these guys much, and with no Bobcats' ball going on I'm left to read other teams' boards opinions on these guys. Slam also mentioned that Monta didn't have a shot when he came in either. Since Westbrook is such a strong finisher he'll get space, working full time he should become at least acceptable.

Matt, I think Felts was forced into the scoring role (and why the Idiot played McInnis so much) because of lack of options at the 2. Ignore that I don't think Ammo can play the 2 because he was out all season...our choices were Swish and Hammer. As you know the Idiot showed no confidence in Hammer (and let's be honest...his D at the best of times is average) and we had no option at 4 (he didn't play Duds either).

Add in the lack of options with a PITIFUL coach who seemed clueless in setting up plays and getting guys free, Felts HAD to score. Thing is it's just not there...he's not a go to guy consistentlly. I'd much rather him focus as PG (as I know most of us would) and get someone like him...what I call a true combo guard...who's bigger, a better shooter, can drive and be an above average defender. He also needs handles, yet another weakness we have along the perimeter.

Swish is an average defender and Crash has to be motivated to be an above average man defender. Hammer is worse. IMO we need a guy who can give Flash/Joe Johnson/VC fits. Right now we have no one other than Felts...and we need to keep him on the opposing PG.

Agreed though...I don't want another Felton like he's been playing either. If a guy's playing SG then I want him to be able to hit a damn shot when we need it.

[ohara831]

My bad. Matt, I must respectfully disagree with you on Bayless & Westbrook. Same reasons as above. But, time will tell.

[MattD]

Heh, I know you meant Matt Ohara...I wouldn't know Bayless from Adam.

Fats thanks...makes me feel a little better. I've not seen any of these guys much, and with no Bobcats' ball going on I'm left to read other teams' boards opinions on these guys. Slam also mentioned that Monta didn't have a shot when he came in either. Since Westbrook is such a strong finisher he'll get space, working full time he should become at least acceptable.

Matt, I think Felts was forced into the scoring role (and why the Idiot played McInnis so much) because of lack of options at the 2. Ignore that I don't think Ammo can play the 2 because he was out all season...our choices were Swish and Hammer. As you know the Idiot showed no confidence in Hammer (and let's be honest...his D at the best of times is average) and we had no option at 4 (he didn't play Duds either).

Add in the lack of options with a PITIFUL coach who seemed clueless in setting up plays and getting guys free, Felts HAD to score. Thing is it's just not there...he's not a go to guy consistentlly. I'd much rather him focus as PG (as I know most of us would) and get someone like him...what I call a true combo guard...who's bigger, a better shooter, can drive and be an above average defender. He also needs handles, yet another weakness we have along the perimeter.

Swish is an average defender and Crash has to be motivated to be an above average man defender. Hammer is worse. IMO we need a guy who can give Flash/Joe Johnson/VC fits. Right now we have no one other than Felts...and we need to keep him on the opposing PG.

Agreed though...I don't want another Felton like he's been playing either. If a guy's playing SG then I want him to be able to hit a damn shot when we need it.

I think every team wants a guy like that though. I mean, you just described a player with few flaws. A lock down defender and a guy who can make the shot when his number is called. They are high priced commodities in the league.

Either way, the player who seemed like a good fit into that mold that you placed (though not perfectly) is either josh childress or the brazilian blur leandro barbosa. Can you imagine how quick a lineup of

Felton
Barbosa
Jrich
PF
Okafor

is. wow. Monta Ellis might work too, but I dont think we want to become the Warriors fully. I wonder how good the warriors would be if they had a powerful inside force. If we could fuse those two ideas together, I think we would be excellent.

Our offseason motto should be Boozer and Barbosa, trying to acquire those two guys. Or Ellis and Brand. Sorry GW but I would stand to lose you for them.

[MattD]

My bad. Matt, I must respectfully disagree with you on Bayless & Westbrook. Same reasons as above. But, time will tell.

you could be absolutely right. Bayless could be the next Gilbert. Really its about the effort that they put in that we cannot immediately see. like you said time will tell. It will be interesting.

A combo of Bayless and Durant sure will be fun to watch.

[spectre]

I think every team wants a guy like that though. I mean, you just described a player with few flaws. A lock down defender and a guy who can make the shot when his number is called. They are high priced commodities in the league.

Either way, the player who seemed like a good fit into that mold that you placed (though not perfectly) is either josh childress or the brazilian blur leandro barbosa. Can you imagine how quick a lineup of

Felton
Barbosa
Jrich
PF
Okafor

is. wow. Monta Ellis might work too, but I dont think we want to become the Warriors fully. I wonder how good the warriors would be if they had a powerful inside force. If we could fuse those two ideas together, I think we would be excellent.

Our offseason motto should be Boozer and Barbosa, trying to acquire those two guys. Or Ellis and Brand. Sorry GW but I would stand to lose you for them.

Absolutely they do, and they aren't cheap. That's why I lean towards taking one with potential in the draft like Westbrook. Just imagine if we'd taken Roy. Hell, the Idiot could have probably got us near .500 with a player like him added in.

I like the Barbosa idea, but I am leary of his defense (maybe that's because he's been with a coach who doesn't put much weight on D?). Of all the things I listed, to me someone who's a good perimeter defender tops the list. Heck, if needs be I'd waste a 15th roster spot on one (Alan Anderson wasn't bad in a pinch at that role).

That can be learned though under a strong coach and a group resolve. I'd be all for bringing Barbosa in.

[ohara831]

Hey, since Grant Hill is old, and Diaw is only a back up, would Phoenix trade Barbosa and the #15 for Crash? We would then have:
Ray - PG
Barbosa - SG
J-Rich - SF
Okafor - Center
*And we have #9 and #15 to find our PF and then the BPA

Would we be interested in that? Would Phoenix?

[MattD]

Hey, since Grant Hill is old, and Diaw is only a back up, would Phoenix trade Barbosa and the #15 for Crash? We would then have:
Ray - PG
Barbosa - SG
J-Rich - SF
Okafor - Center
*And we have #9 and #15 to find our PF and then the BPA

Would we be interested in that? Would Phoenix?

I am hesistant to give away crash for Barbosa, but that might be tempting. Those two picks could give us two solid options, maybe picking up greene and love or greene and jordan to fiddle with. It sure would be interesting.

[Slam]

I like the Barbosa idea, but I am leary of his defense (maybe that's because he's been with a coach who doesn't put much weight on D?). Of all the things I listed, to me someone who's a good perimeter defender tops the list. Heck, if needs be I'd waste a 15th roster spot on one (Alan Anderson wasn't bad in a pinch at that role).

:yeahthat:

That's why I wouldn't do it.

The reason that Westbrook and Mayo are so tempting is because they play such great D as well as have PG abilites.

[Slam]

Why not trade Crash for the #6 and Rose (the Malik one, not the Derek one!!) who has an expiring contract?

Then combine the #6 and #9 to try and move up even higher (like into the top 3) or take which ever SG is there at #6 (Mayo, Bayless or Gordon?) and our PF at #9?

The Knicks want a SF and some D and Crash might blend well with Crawford as well as make up for Curry/Z-Bo's lack of D.

Just putting it out there!!

[ohara831]

Why not trade Crash for the #6 and Rose (the Malik one, not the Derek one!!) who has an expiring contract?

Then combine the #6 and #9 to try and move up even higher (like into the top 3) or take which ever SG is there at #6 (Mayo, Bayless or Gordon?) and our PF at #9?

The Knicks want a SF and some D and Crash might blend well with Crawford as well as make up for Curry/Z-Bo's lack of D.

Just putting it out there!!

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If we did that, I think I'd want to pick at #6 and #9.

[dav7z]

Why not trade Crash for the #6 and Rose (the Malik one, not the Derek one!!) who has an expiring contract?

Then combine the #6 and #9 to try and move up even higher (like into the top 3) or take which ever SG is there at #6 (Mayo, Bayless or Gordon?) and our PF at #9?

The Knicks want a SF and some D and Crash might blend well with Crawford as well as make up for Curry/Z-Bo's lack of D.

Just putting it out there!!

Im not sure the money would match up . But not a bad idea, Curry looks like he would be our best possable person to trade for. Realistic i think we could only trade Wallace for Curry and the 9th pick for the sixth.
Would i do it i don't know?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

[Slam]

Im not sure the money would match up . But not a bad idea, Curry looks like he would be our best possable person to trade for. Realistic i think we could only trade Wallace for Curry and the 9th pick for the sixth.
Would i do it i don't know?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Because of the nature of Crash's contract (BYC) you can't take back the same amount of cash as you send out.

Spectre can probably explain it better than I could.

[dav7z]

If Rose would work that would be the way to go . He's in his last year of his contract and we would have two good picks.

[MattD]

New York wouldnt do that. Keep in mind that they are trying to have cap space in 2010. Sooo theyll send out an expiring for a contract with 5 more years. And theyll lose their pick? Nahh, not happening.

[Slam]

Marbs and his 21 mill will be off the books by 2010, Q will be in the last year of his deal worth 10 mill as will James and his 6 mill.

That will give them all the room they'll need to go after LBJ or Flash.

You do make a good point though.

[spectre]

Yeah, we can only take back half of Crash's salary until June 30th:

73. What is "Base Year Compensation?" How does base year compensation affect trades? Why does it exist? (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73)

I think NY would take that deal...as Slam said they'd still lose Starbury's 21 million and have what, 16 million in expirings? They're also going to need players with value to trade for those guys as well as to pair with them once they come.

But unless Mayo's coming I don't think I want to lose Crash.

With Barbosa I'm still worried about his defense, but getting another defensive player in Westbrook as well as the 15th does intrigue me. Slam as you know I lean more towards Ohara's rotation; I don't have any problem bringing in backups at kind of designated times (say 2 minutes left in the 1st, 10 minutes left in the 2nd), but I want at least 2 and sometimes 3 starter types in there at all times.

I've always hated the "blue team" concept of throwing 5 bench guys out there to go against 2/3 starters.

I dunno. Adding Westbrook would help, but a lot of minutes would have to be allocated to Felts/Barbosa/Swish and they're going to suffer defensively. Badly.

Wouldn't Barbosa be a better addition to Crash?

[Slam]

But unless Mayo's coming I don't think I want to lose Crash.


100% agree. Unless we got Mayo it would defeat the purpose of moving Crash (in this type of deal).



Slam as you know I lean more towards Ohara's rotation; I don't have any problem bringing in backups at kind of designated times (say 2 minutes left in the 1st, 10 minutes left in the 2nd), but I want at least 2 and sometimes 3 starter types in there at all times.

I know mate, it's one of the very few things we don't agree on. I just think that the problem with the deep rotations you have guys wanting to get paid big dollars (unless they are on rookie deals of course) but not playing big mins. I rather invest heavily in my starting 5 and rely on them getting us over the line with role players filling out the roster.

I also like the continuity of the blue team concept. You need the right players to do it (for eg, Hammer can, Ely can't), but with the right mix, I think it's the dominate way to go.

[Greg_UK_EO50]

great conversation guys.


i have to agree eith Slam here, the starting 5 should be getting the big bucks to win the game. its nice to have a deep bench if you have an owner who doesn't care about the luxury tax, but when funds are tighter i would prefer to spend on the starters.

Greg