Camby

[MattD]

What are your guys thoughts about Marcus Camby. Whispers about him being moved are floating around, would you be willing to give up our 1st rounder plus another player to get a real beastly center.

My second favorite team is Denver, and I really like Camby (yes I pack bias here). However, at this point I think we will be sticking with a core of at least Ray Gerald and Jrich, most likely this will include Okafor, but if he doesnt resign, we could look to swap say our 1st with Denver and relieve some of their cap space.

Camby is now 34, so he is probably past prime, and he has two more years, but it declines from 11.25 to 10.9. Is he worth chancing?

How do you guys feel about the pairing of Emeka and Camby in the backcourt. Obviously it is too soon to say ship over our 1st, as if we get top 5 I wouldnt do it.

As far as Mek and Camby together, we would have to find a way financially to do it, but if we did, I think it would be interesting, but I would be worried about mid to long range shooting PF's who could stretch our defense.

anyways, thoughts?

[ohara831]

No way would I give up a #8 pick for a 34 yr old Center. He only has a couple good years left.

[ammofan]

honestly....there is no way I would give up the #8 pick for him but if they would trade him for next years pick I would do it in a milli second. I am expecting a NON-lottery pick next season! ;)

[dnbman]

How do you guys feel about the pairing of Emeka and Camby in the backcourt.

I'm not sure if they're quick enough, but if we could get them to post up the other guards, they could be dangerous!! ;)


As for the 4 and 5, they would certainly be interior beasts. I just don't think either of them could guard the more mobile PFs.

Okafor is primed to become a Camby type player anyhow, so I don't know if want to duplicate talent like that. I'd rather look for a more classic 4 to pair with Okafor.

[Alex]

We need a scoring big man, we already have Okafor to provide all the inside defense. Camby is basically a taller Okafor.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I wouldn't do it for our first round pick even if our pick was the last one in the round. He's the same guy as Oak is just older. He's also be unhappy coming here and I hate watching millionairs pout.

[MattD]

We need a scoring big man, we already have Okafor to provide all the inside defense. Camby is basically a taller Okafor.

I totally disagree with your assesment of him not being able to score. He has a better post game then okafor, and has a mid range stroke. He doesnt shoot much, and he isnt happy about it in denver, but he could score more. Think about if you had Kmart, JR Smith,Melo, and AI as your teammates, how many shots do you think you would get?

the truth is, camby is a terrific rebounder and a shot blocker, much better then okafor in those regards

[Slam]

Camby and EO50 are NOTHING alike!!

EO50 is a fantastic post defender. Camby is a fantastic help defender. Camby can put the ball on the floor (and even lead the break). EO50 can't dribble without being called for a travel.

And like Matt said, Camby can stroke the J out to 18 or so feet.

Plus, Camby is quite a good passer.

[MattD]

Camby and EO50 are NOTHING alike!!

EO50 is a fantastic post defender. Camby is a fantastic help defender. Camby can put the ball on the floor (and even lead the break). EO50 can't dribble without being called for a travel.

And like Matt said, Camby can stroke the J out to 18 or so feet.

Plus, Camby is quite a good passer.

I always love it when I see camby get a rebound and then just decide to dribble all the way down the court himself, then get a layup.

Hes a beast but probably not one I see us pursuing.

[twebb]

Before we spend any on Camby I would like to go through the lotto and see if we hit. If not then I still think it would be hard to trade it up, but based on our recent draft production Camby will probably give us a spark to push us to the playoffs.

[Alex]

Now that you guys mention it I do remember Camby being a much more active player when he was with the Knicks, active on the offensive end that is. However, I still don't know if he would help us all that much.

[bizzlecatz]

Sticking with Bernie's plan, and the mold of this team Camby does not fit. If we are going to trade the pick I rather go after Jason Maxeill, it may take Crash or Dudley and a swap of the picks to get it done, but what a lineup that would be.:biggrin:

Felts
Swish
Crash or Dude
Maxeill
Mek

If we keep the pick I would rather we pick Kelvin Love, who also fit in with the mold of this team.

[Slam]

Maxiell worth the 8th overall pick AND you want us to add in filler?

You are off your head!

And since when did we revert back to Bernies plan of 2004?

[spectre]

I think Maxiell is working himself into a higher tier. What about Amir Johnson?

[bizzlecatz]

Maxiell worth the 8th overall pick AND you want us to add in filler?

You are off your head!

And since when did we revert back to Bernies plan of 2004?

Slam, I said either Crash, or Dudley. and a swap of picks. I thought Bernies plan was young hard working players from good programs, not old aging vets and cap killers. The team is young, not rookie young, but young with time to grow together, and that's the path I would like to see the Cats stay on.:)

Think of a team that Larry Brown can mold into Champions for years to come, not one hit wonders.

[bizzlecatz]

I think Maxiell is working himself into a higher tier. What about Amir Johnson?

Spectre, which is why I think it would take a lot more to get him from Dumars, if we could get it done with just the 8th pick I would be happy. but I think it would take a lot more, and NO! ammo will not get it done.;)

[Slam]

I think Maxiell is working himself into a higher tier. What about Amir Johnson?

He's (Maxiell) a decent (undersized) role player, but you really think he's worth:

8th pick and Crash
for
29th pick and Max

???

Swish was worth the 8th pick. No way does Max hold that sort of value.

[bizzlecatz]

Okay Slam, I will be the first to admit that I am not very good with Trades and the value of players,but I perfer a young stud over an aging vet anyday, and yes I think Maxeill is a young stud, and I like what I'm seeing from him in the playoffs this far. I also think he will be a great asset to the team.

Since you put it that way. What do you think is fair value for Jason Maxeill that will make Dumars bit.

[Slam]

bizzlecats - there is only ONE year difference in age between Crash and Max - and Dude is younger than both of them.

Where do you get aging vet from?

Not only that, but Max is undersized. Athletically he's a freak, but I fear a front court of Max and EO50 would be abused.

[Slam]

P.S. don't get me wrong - I didn't mean to "poo-poo" your trade idea. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I enjoy looking at all ideas, I was just floored at how much you would give up to get Max.

[bizzlecatz]

The aging vet I was referencing to is Camby Don't get me wrong, I don't want to trade Crash or Dudley. I was thinking since we have a lot of SF's sitting on the bench, and Detriot is in need of one maybe a deal could be made, since we are in need of a PF.

Defensively I think Max and Mek would make a great back court under Larry Brown's leadership.

[MattD]

P.S. don't get me wrong - I didn't mean to "poo-poo" your trade idea. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I enjoy looking at all ideas, I was just floored at how much you would give up to get Max.

so was I. I think Camby would be better for us, and we could pick up Camby for less then what you were suggesting for Maxiell.

And again, why would Detriot dump him, when he is starting to flourish there and they NEED a bigman like that. They wouldnt.

[spectre]

He's (Maxiell) a decent (undersized) role player, but you really think he's worth:

8th pick and Crash
for
29th pick and Max

???

Swish was worth the 8th pick. No way does Max hold that sort of value.

Whoa...back the truck up a little...I NEVER said Maxiell was worth all that! All I was implying was that Maxiell was likely to be valued higher than we'd be prepared to give up...and if we were to target a guy from Detroit maybe Amir would be more available.

But Swish wasn't just worth the 8th pick...he was worth the 8th pick AND 10 million dollars in cap relief to an owner possibly being sued by the IRS and was looking at a lottery team with upwards of 20 million OVER the luxury tax.

Swish is/was worth MUCH more than that 8th pick. I mean, we're talking Kevin Love here for the 8th in this draft. Even if he reaches all his potential I doubt seriously if he'd still be worthy of carrying Swish's jock strap.

If you haven't noticed I'm pretty high on Swish.

Heh...I know you are too Slam...that was for throwing in that "worth Crash and the 8th" after my quote!


Spectre, which is why I think it would take a lot more to get him from Dumars, if we could get it done with just the 8th pick I would be happy. but I think it would take a lot more, and NO! ammo will not get it done.:wink:

I'm petrified of dealing with Joe Dumars. He's the kind of GM where you just go ahead and give him your wallet up front as he'll get it in the end anyway. I'd much rather deal with another team.

[Muttley]

so was I. I think Camby would be better for us, and we could pick up Camby for less then what you were suggesting for Maxiell.

And again, why would Detriot dump him, when he is starting to flourish there and they NEED a bigman like that. They wouldnt.

Maxiell is Part 1 of the new guard that will soon replace the old guard in D-town. Over the next few years, they'll work in Stuckey and some of the other young fellas (including Walter) as they learn from the older fellas. I'm quite impressed with the way the Pistons have developed their system. The reason why Maxiell is getting so much PT now is that they need him. After Big Ben left, they had a huge hole to fill there. As good as McDyess has been playing this year, he's nowhere near a long term solution. So, unless giving them someone big, there's no way they're getting rid of Maxiell.

[MattD]

Maxiell is Part 1 of the new guard that will soon replace the old guard in D-town. Over the next few years, they'll work in Stuckey and some of the other young fellas (including Walter) as they learn from the older fellas. I'm quite impressed with the way the Pistons have developed their system. The reason why Maxiell is getting so much PT now is that they need him. After Big Ben left, they had a huge hole to fill there. As good as McDyess has been playing this year, he's nowhere near a long term solution. So, unless giving them someone big, there's no way they're getting rid of Maxiell.

so were in agreement then.

[Muttley]

so were in agreement then.

absolutely