Bobcats Offseason Rumors Thread 2008

[MattD]

Hey Mods, can we sticky this so we dont get 4million new threads all the time (just a thought, as this is my second thread of the day)

This may be a good place to post rumors you hear Charlotte in for the offseason, I just read we are expected to make an offer on Anthony Carter.

"The Nuggets have interest in re-signing free agent Anthony Carter, but he also is expected to hear from Charlotte, Cleveland, Golden State and the Clippers, among others."

He might be a solid backup PG for felton, if we move away from boykins

[ammofan]

eeeekk,,,,I dont want Anthony carter! I would much rather have Earl da Pearl!

[mrtarheel]

why wouldn't we go after chris duhon. he seems to be free and won't have to give up anything for him. Maybe we could package up a deal for him, thomas and gordon

[ziggy]

Hey Mods, can we sticky this so we dont get 4million new threads all the time (just a thought, as this is my second thread of the day)

This may be a good place to post rumors you hear Charlotte in for the offseason, I just read we are expected to make an offer on Anthony Carter.
I'm game, consider it stickified.

[timang]

why wouldn't we go after chris duhon. he seems to be free and won't have to give up anything for him. Maybe we could package up a deal for him, thomas and gordon

by thomas you mean TT? i like the thought, but is it feasible for us?

[spectre]

why wouldn't we go after chris duhon. he seems to be free and won't have to give up anything for him. Maybe we could package up a deal for him, thomas and gordon

He's missed practices and a Bull moderator came on our RealGM board and said there's thought he might be an alcoholic. It's not his on court performance but what he does off the court.

[Jonathanmartin7]

He's missed practices and a Bull moderator came on our RealGM board and said there's thought he might be an alcoholic. It's not his on court performance but what he does off the court.

When did you hear that he has a drinking problem? I haven't heard that. That's a shame.

[Muttley]

He's missed practices and a Bull moderator came on our RealGM board and said there's thought he might be an alcoholic. It's not his on court performance but what he does off the court.

Wow, that's terrible to hear. I hope it's not the case.
Also, my guess, and I'll probably need some input on this, is that Carter would need less money than would Duhon. Carter's getting minimum right now according to ESPN, and Duhon's getting over 3 mill. I expect Carter will be offered more than minimum, but I can't imagine it being more than what Duhon's getting.

Good thread idea, Matt.

[spectre]

Summer Free Agents (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=785507&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12)

There's been a couple of times that he's been late for practice as well.

I like going after Carter as a backup PG but I would imagine he'll get other offers. Is he worth the full MLE? Kinda torn about that one.

[Jonathanmartin7]

I'd rather keep earl than go after Carter. He's more than an adequate backup. I don't see us needing another PG.

[mrtarheel]

Earl is a good backup but with him you always have the option for other teams to post up and that puts more pressure on the team. He is a liability waiting to happen everytime he's out there. Sure he can score, run the offense but I think that is to much for the rest of the team on the court with him. Bad to hear the rumor about Duhon. That really sucks even for a Dukieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jonathanmartin7]

That really sucks even for a Dukieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's sucks worse for a dukiee! I mean after all they already have to go through life as a dukiee, and having played in front of the ugliest cheerleaders of all. To have a drinking problem on top of that is even worse.

[spectre]

I'd rather keep earl than go after Carter. He's more than an adequate backup. I don't see us needing another PG.

Thing is he left Milwaukee (?) and sat out for most of the season because he figured he was full MLE worthy...about 5.5 - 6 million per. There's just no way I see Coach Brown (boy does that sound good!) willing to give him that due to his liability on D and that he's never met a shot he didn't like.

Carter is more passive and looks for his mates more, which is what I assume Coach will look for. I'd still be shocked if we got him though.

Agreed with the sentiments on Duhon. Until I heard the rumblings last season I wanted him too.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Who else may be available?

[mrtarheel]

The grizzlies are loaded with pg. We could get one from them, Crit, Lowry or Conley. Try to package in Ammo if you can and get an upgraded version Mike Miller.

[MattD]

it would be very hard to pry conley away.

im no mod and i dont really care, but these arent rumors, theyre just fan-speculations.

[Alex]

Out of the three young PGs the Grizz have I'm pretty sure they want to stick with Conley if they had to choose.

[Dead_Real]

I've been high on J.Crit since that years draft and would love to have him on our roster a taller point to spell Felts would be a welcomed change.

Not sure what we would give up though maybe one of our project bigs or Boykins if we resign him.

[TheLegend]

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/worthy_20280___article.html/nba_team.html

[spectre]

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/worthy_20280___article.html/nba_team.html

Good read!!!

[BIGCatBobcat]

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/worthy_20280___article.html/nba_team.html
James Worthy is great, looks like he's done well and I can't believe it's been 14 years since he retired. He was on that team the Bulls beat for their first title with Jordan right? I doubt he wants to get involved full time in the team, but I think it would be cool if he showed up for games and had an audience with Jordan and Brown once in a while.

[MattD]

Arenas says he wont return if Jamison doesnt.

Package deal? Interesting situation, I hope we have the balls to give Antawn an offer.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Would trying to get Jermaine O'Neal be a bad thing to do? I know he has been injured and could make or break us but the key word is MAKE us. JO would fit in well I feel under a coach like LB. He was an All Star and I don't think his skills are gone.

[MattD]

as far as our draft if we were to have the #1

"A month ago, this looked like Beasley all the way. The Bobcats desperately need athleticism and rebounding in the frontcourt. And while Raymond Felton isn't as talented as Rose, he'll do.

However, with Larry Brown now coaching the team, he might push for a more dominant floor leader. This is a tough call. For now, we're sticking with Beasley, but this could change to Rose."

[spectre]

Where's that from Matt?

Regardless, I don't buy it. Brown isn't going to throw a fellow Tarheel under the bus, and Jordan obviously talked to him about the "combo guard" business as he mentioned it during the news conference. Felts will finally get his chance this year.

Add in that Beasley plays the one position where we have an obvious void there's no way we'd choose Rose 1st overall.

[x2pacalypse]

if we get the first pick i will take a picture of me making out with a 90 year old woman

[ziggy]

if we get the first pick i will take a picture of me making out with a 90 year old woman
x2pacalypse, Shes waiting on you!!!

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/RF4467380.jpg

[MattD]

its from espn insider

[amour217]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/amour217/Roomah.jpg

[x2pacalypse]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/amour217/Roomah.jpg

oh god + rep for kindergarten cop reference

[Slam]

Wrong thread!!

[MattD]

boy it has been quiet

[ziggy]

boy it has been quiet
There aren't a lot of rumors out there now. I'm guessing that there will be a few following the predraft camp though.

[jwh6573]

A friend of mine ran into Jerry Stackhouse recently in Wilmington. Stackhouse had his boat at one of the marinas. They began talking and Stackhouse repeatedly hinted at himself being in charlotte next year. He told my friend he had to figure out how to get his boat out to charlotte and where he would keep it. My friend said Stackhouse sounded pretty serious about everything too. Anyone see this as a possibility?

[dnbman]

A friend of mine ran into Jerry Stackhouse recently in Wilmington. Stackhouse had his boat at one of the marinas. They began talking and Stackhouse repeatedly hinted at himself being in charlotte next year. He told my friend he had to figure out how to get his boat out to charlotte and where he would keep it. My friend said Stackhouse sounded pretty serious about everything too. Anyone see this as a possibility?

I don't really see what the point would be. Stack can still contribute, but I think he's moved into the stage of his career where he best functions as a wily veteran off the bench of a contending team. I'm just not sure we're a good fit, unless he was happy to get limited minutes on the cheap.

The other thing is that with Bonnel's recent Sheed blog, I don't want the Bobcats do be the place where ex-Tarheels go to die.

[ziggy]

Welcome to BobcatsPlanet jwh6573, good first post!

Thats a rumor that I haven't heard, it would be an odd addition to the team considering that we have so many wings. But stranger things have happened, maybe there are some deals out there that could potentially move some of them.
Does anyone know what Stackhouse's contract situation is?

[spectre]

7 million bucks is a helluva lot of cash for what he'd bring. If he was a defensive minded 2 guard I'd be all for it; as it is I don't really see the need.

[ziggy]

Lets see now, that would give us

Players
Felton
May
Sheed
Stackhouse

Coaches
Ford
Brown

Ownership
MJ

[Mustachio]

Lets see now, that would give us

Players
Felton
May
Sheed
Stackhouse

Coaches
Ford
Brown

Ownership
MJ






i just threw up in my mouth. i would seriously have to question my fanhood if we became the place where ex-tarheels go to die. I'm not spending my hard earned money and time to watch a bunch of has beens waller around in my dollars ... while we never win a championship.


please keep stackhouse as far away from here as possible.

[ziggy]

i just threw up in my mouth. i would seriously have to question my fanhood if we became the place where ex-tarheels go to die. I'm not spending my hard earned money and time to watch a bunch of has beens waller around in my dollars
Even if they bring in Eric Montross? :p
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/artmontrossgi.png

As an avid ABC'er I feel your pain.

[MattD]

i just threw up in my mouth. i would seriously have to question my fanhood if we became the place where ex-tarheels go to die. I'm not spending my hard earned money and time to watch a bunch of has beens waller around in my dollars ... while we never win a championship.


please keep stackhouse as far away from here as possible.

I honestly think we need to stop talking about this where the players went to school bullshit. I am getting tired of hearing about it. They picked Felton where he deserved to go, and yeah we have some but seriously, we all need to chill out on the no more unc thing.

Saying no to a player because they played at unc shouldnt be happening. Saying yes to a player because they played at unc shouldnt be happening. we need to look for what is best for the team rather then where they went to school, whether it is or is not unc. At this point MJ and the front office is trying to build the best team possible, not a unc all star team.

[dnbman]

Matt, I agree about the college comments. However, when Stackhouse starts talking about coming here, you have to wonder what the mentality is. I can understand Sheed at least giving us a solid big that we don't have. But Stackhouse would do little for us other than provide veteran leadership as his game declines.

The draft is what it is. However, I don't like the idea that we sign guys with Carolina ties at the end of their careers basically as a spectacle. We haven't really done that, outside of arguably McInnis. I just don't want it to become a trend.

[mrtarheel]

Actually Stackhouse wouldn't be all that bad of a trade if we could land Terry, Stackhouse and Bass. He could back up at the sf and sg with Bass being a monster down low, while Terry helps with the backup pg and maybe starting sg.

[dnbman]

Actually Stackhouse wouldn't be all that bad of a trade if we could land Terry, Stackhouse and Bass. He could back up at the sf and sg with Bass being a monster down low, while Terry helps with the backup pg and maybe starting sg.

Yeah, but Stackhouse is a throw-in in that trade. What could we trade that would get us those three players together? Is that the rumor?

We'd have to have well over $10M going out for a trade to work. Plus, Bass seems to be one of the few guys that figures into Dallas's future. Why would they trade him?

Stack is a free agent, but what is he worth?

I guess I wouldn't mind having him for $2-3M. It just doesn't seem like a good fit though.

[mrtarheel]

They have been rumored to want crash. I love crash but for the love of the team would sacrifice him for more of a scoring perimeter threat to open up the middle with Terry. That being said Crash, Harrington and a swope of first.

[Mustachio]

They have been rumored to want crash. I love crash but for the love of the team would sacrifice him for more of a scoring perimeter threat to open up the middle with Terry. That being said Crash, Harrington and a swope of first.


for jason terry stackhouse and bass???? really

id rather stick with crash

[spectre]

We'd have to send out a little over 12 million for Bass/Terry/Stack. My first thought was a S&T Mek if they'd be willing to let Bass go. Cuban would pay him 13-15 million before any other owner would, but they already have Dampier and Bass, so why make that trade?

If Crash and say May? Bass is the plus, and he's going to expect a big payday after next season if he keeps the play up. He's not really a great pairing to Mek as he can't guard athletic 4s either...but he should certainly make Nazr redundant. Terry's 4 more years really kill it for me though. I've never really been a fan of his, and he's not really the defensive presence I'd like to pick up. Stack is an expiring after next season...but do we really need expirings? Suddenly we're loaded at the 2 and STILL no defensive minded guard!

Not so fond of a Dallas trade. The only guy I really wanted from them went to New Jersey (Harris) last season.

[Mustachio]

We'd have to send out a little over 12 million for Bass/Terry/Stack. My first thought was a S&T Mek if they'd be willing to let Bass go. Cuban would pay him 13-15 million before any other owner would, but they already have Dampier and Bass, so why make that trade?

If Crash and say May? Bass is the plus, and he's going to expect a big payday after next season if he keeps the play up. He's not really a great pairing to Mek as he can't guard athletic 4s either...but he should certainly make Nazr redundant. Terry's 4 more years really kill it for me though. I've never really been a fan of his, and he's not really the defensive presence I'd like to pick up. Stack is an expiring after next season...but do we really need expirings? Suddenly we're loaded at the 2 and STILL no defensive minded guard!

Not so fond of a Dallas trade. The only guy I really wanted from them went to New Jersey (Harris) last season.


How about Crash, the number 9, Sean May for Dirk?

[ziggy]

How about Crash, the number 9, Sean May for Dirk?

I'd do it, but I don't believe that the Mavs would.

[MattD]

dirk will never leave the mavericks via trade. as far as terry bass and stack for may and crash, consider it done in a second

[dnbman]

dirk will never leave the mavericks via trade. as far as terry bass and stack for may and crash, consider it done in a second

Yeah, Dirk's is only going if it lands Cuban Lebron or Kobe.

As for the Crash trade, I want to see what they do with Howard first.

[MattD]

alright. so some basic stuff, but good to know.

we picked up jermareo's option
Jrich is UNTOUCHABLE
Everyone else is available and has been tested to a degree
Gerald Wallace was almost traded for TJ Ford (wow)
Sean May, Adam Morrison, and Raymond Felton are all ACTIVELY being shopped

Ray for Lee is a rumor right now. Expect a new PF soon.

This team, called, "the most desperate" in the nba by one gm, is willing to do a lot to reshape, I would expect some big movement by the time the offseason is over.

[SWedd523]

We should call Portland for some tips.

Right Now I think our top priorities should be Elton Brand, Rasheed Wallace, and Chauncey Billups.

Maybe we could package something together to get Billups and Wallace. Something along the lines of Felts, Ammo, May, and Crash? IDK

Just thoughts haha

[spectre]

alright. so some basic stuff, but good to know.

we picked up jermareo's option
Jrich is UNTOUCHABLE
Everyone else is available and has been tested to a degree
Gerald Wallace was almost traded for TJ Ford (wow)
Sean May, Adam Morrison, and Raymond Felton are all ACTIVELY being shopped

Ray for Lee is a rumor right now. Expect a new PF soon.

This team, called, "the most desperate" in the nba by one gm, is willing to do a lot to reshape, I would expect some big movement by the time the offseason is over.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/06/bobcats-felton.html


Higgins said he expects Felton to be this team's starting point guard heading into training camp; that while Augustin is probably ready to be the backup, there'a no reason to assume he'd pass Felton in the rotation anytime soon.

But hey, don't let this stop the fun.

[MattD]

I was just posting supposed "fact" rumors that i read from moderately credible sources in the media.

to swedd, keep this thread away from speculation.

[murphman]

Update:

Okafor and Hollins were given tenders. Davidson's opiton was exercised bringing him back next year. Plus the trade with Denver for pick #20 is explained.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=&Team=bobcats&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&ILChkBx=yes&NBADLChkBx=yes&InjuriesChkBx=yes&PersonalChkBx=yes&DisciplinaryChkBx=yes&LegalChkBx=yes&BeginYear=&BeginMonth=&BeginDay=&EndYear=&EndMonth=&EndDay=&submit=Search&start=675

[MattD]

we offered diop the mid level exception

[DirtyU11]

If we offered Diop the MLE why dont we try to do a sign and trade for Maggette. Wallace and someone else(dont really care who) may or ammo maybe. That would give us a much better scoring threat from outside to pair with Jrich and he averaged 22 a game last year. Diop replaces some of the defense wallace provided and Maggette isnt that much of a dropoff from wallace. We already have 14 players on the team without Diop and only 12 can be active a night so a two for one trade and signing Diop would keep us at 14 and thats where we should stay.

[dnbman]

If we offered Diop the MLE why dont we try to do a sign and trade for Maggette. Wallace and someone else(dont really care who) may or ammo maybe. That would give us a much better scoring threat from outside to pair with Jrich and he averaged 22 a game last year. Diop replaces some of the defense wallace provided and Maggette isnt that much of a dropoff from wallace. We already have 14 players on the team without Diop and only 12 can be active a night so a two for one trade and signing Diop would keep us at 14 and thats where we should stay.

I like Wallace's game much more than Maggette's and even think he will work better with JRich. We can sign Diop anyway, so there's no reason to do that trade unless:

1. You want to lower payroll.
2. You want to open a roster spot.

At this point, we don't need to do either of those. We just need the best quality. Besides, rumor is Maggette will sign with Orlando.

[spectre]

Supposedly Maggette wanted a new contract from the Clippers averaging 11 million. He won't get that in FA (unless Philly can't get a bigger name), but he'll have his choice of full MLE deals.

I think he did say he'd consider signing for less (than the 11 million) for Boston.

[spectre]

After taking Texas point guard D.J. Augustin with the No. 9 pick, Charlotte now has two point guard along with Raymond Felton. He averaged 14.4 points, 7.4 assists and shot 41 percent. The Cavs reportedly do have an interest in Felton, but so far, new Coach Larry Brown wants to keep both point guards. But Larry Brown also is very prone to changing his mind, so the Cavs would be wise to keep talking to Charlotte about this subject.http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1215333058264330.xml&coll=2

I wonder if Felts would rather play with King James or us?

Nah...no doubt he'd choose us every time! :cool:

[Dead_Real]

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1215333058264330.xml&coll=2

I wonder if Felts would rather play with King James or us?

Nah...no doubt he'd choose us every time! :cool:
I guess they remember that game in his rookie season where he was damn near unstoppable against them but yea I'm hoping Ray stays put and proves himself here.

[DirtyU11]

Al Harrington might be traded. Is there a way to get him without giving up Ray? IDK but it would nice to have a low post scoring threat that we have been lacking and its still our number one offseason issue.

[DirtyU11]

I didnt want to give up Ray but GS wants a PG in return. I tried some trades on the trade machine and this was the best one that worked

Ray,Ammo,May for Harrington,Bellineli,CJ Watson(who was with us in SL last year i think)

Linup of

DJ
Jrich
Crash
Harrington
Mek

Bench Dudley, Bellineli, Davidson, Ajinca, Nazr, Carroll, Watson, Weaver, Hollins

Puts us with 14 and we can sign someone else through the MLE. Use the MLE wisley and that looks like a solid team.

[spectre]

Al Harrington might be traded. Is there a way to get him without giving up Ray? IDK but it would nice to have a low post scoring threat that we have been lacking and its still our number one offseason issue.

Al Harrington isn't really the first name that comes to mind when you say "low post scoring threat"...he plays outside the paint.

[DirtyU11]

I think he would be a nice complement to Mek considering Mek cant make any thing outside of 5 feet and with jrich and crash slashing to the basket I dont mind him drifting to the outside. He can play inside when need be though.

[tamburello]

I think he would be a nice complement to Mek considering Mek cant make any thing outside of 5 feet and with jrich and crash slashing to the basket I dont mind him drifting to the outside. He can play inside when need be though.

Mek can't make anything inside the 5 feet either... (On offense of course)

[MattD]

we made an initial inquiry about picking up Ira Newble... wow