Carmelo Anthony?

[ammofan]

On RealGM.com it says that the Nuggets will shop around carmelo Anthony....Do you think MJ will try to get him? I think he will. Yes Melo has had problems before but why would he try anything risky on the team that the guy who gave him a shoe/clothing contract, owns?

I say that I would give Denver maybe Gerald Wallace/Sean May/09 1st Rd. pick

So we still have this years draft pick, we resign Mek and have a lineup of:

1. Felton/Boykins
2. J-Rich/MC
3. Melo/ The stache
4. Emeka/JD/ Jermareo
5. Kevin Love?/Nazr

that is a playoff team...and out of the first round in the east!!!

[ohara831]

I posted that on a Few Trade Ideas thread a couple hours ago. Since they are saying that they may trade anyone, I thought of Melo for Crash and Carroll, and then switching off our 1st rounders. That gives them a quality SF in Crash, a backup SG and moves them up from 20th pick to 8th pick. We get Melo who will complement J-Rich better than Crash as far as skill sets they possess, and we still can draft a big man like Love, JaVale McGee, or someone similar. I think Melo is getting to where he is wearing out his welcome in Denver. I hate trouble makers, but damn that man is talented. I would like to think that LB can handle him as a Coach, and the team chemistry will help. Finally, Charlotte is not as big as Denver and hopefully he stays straight.


You are dead on when you say that potential lineup is killer! That gets us deep into the Playoffs I think, especially if May and Ammo can come back and provide some quality bench depth with Dudley, Davidson and Hollins. If we have that 2nd rounder, which seems to be in dispute depending upon which source you look up, we grab a PG to back up Ray.

My oh my, that sounds like a starting 5 which Slam would go for. Is it, big fella?

[twebb]

This is a great idea. Im willing to give up crash as well as maybe a second tier player for Anthony. Throw in the draft pick and I dont see where we lose much. I saw we hit the lotto and get DRose, then trade crash and felton for melo.
Rose
JRICH
Melo
Okafor
Nazr

[Muttley]

On RealGM.com it says that the Nuggets will shop around carmelo Anthony....Do you think MJ will try to get him? I think he will. Yes Melo has had problems before but why would he try anything risky on the team that the guy who gave him a shoe/clothing contract, owns?

I say that I would give Denver maybe Gerald Wallace/Sean May/09 1st Rd. pick

So we still have this years draft pick, we resign Mek and have a lineup of:

1. Felton/Boykins
2. J-Rich/MC
3. Melo/ The stache
4. Emeka/JD/ Jermareo
5. Kevin Love?/Nazr

that is a playoff team...and out of the first round in the east!!!

I have a major problem with this.

Emeka would play the 5 and Love would be the 4.


Other than that it sounds like a good trade. I'd hate to part with Crash or Hammer, but that's the business. I do worry about Carmelo, though. Not as a player. Seeing him in the driver's seat with team USA, I can say he's worth trying for. If it's just a DUI (not to belittle the seriousness of it), then maybe we give him a second chance, but you have to be sure he doesn't give the stubborn anti-Bobcaters more crap to say about the team.

Final decision, I'd say try it if it works financially.

[x2pacalypse]

do you guys think it would be at all possible in keeping our 3 key guys (key in my opinion) in felts, jrich, crash ....while getting melo

like maybe

s&t okafor, morrison, 1st for melo and their 1st

but then again, idk if melo would be able to play the 4, we'd be pretty undersized i guess and crash isn't playing the 4 anymore...but the lineup could look something like

felton/boykins
jrich/carroll
crash/dudley
melo/davidson/mcmay
nazr/love?

we'd be really undersized tho, especially with both of those centers being under 7'0 so yea idk if that would work, just thinking of all the options

[ammofan]

no Crash has 2 go if Melo is coming in. no way Melo will play the 4.

[Alex]

Yes yes yes a million times yes!

[Dunk]

How do any of these scenarios fit in with what Larry Brown will want to do? What I'm saying is do we think the guys being tossed around here are/aren't LB players?

Also, we don't have any defensive/offensive post presence. I don't know what this buys us. We're trading a good wing player with a great contract and some salary for a great wing player with a great (for now) contract...to do what? Go after Elton Brand and hope the ping pong balls go our way?

[ohara831]

uhm, I beg to differ. Melo is a LB man, he is any Coach's man. The kid is a STUD! And he can play the 2 or 3, but not a 4.

[ammofan]

your right ohara...plus we need a team leader that can take us to the playoffs here. Right now we dont have that, although Jrich is close i think.

[spectre]

uhm, I beg to differ. Melo is a LB man, he is any Coach's man. The kid is a STUD! And he can play the 2 or 3, but not a 4.

Melo doesn't play defense, so I wonder if he really would be a LB man.

Our wing D would flat out suck. Melo and Swish...who guards the Artests, the JJs, Kobe? Can you imagine what the Nets with VC & Carter would do to us?

I do like Melo though. If we had a defensive wing like Mayo instead of Swish I'd be all over going after him.

BTW, I haven't read anything official, but I was under the impression Denver was looking for cap relief...something Crash + Hammer wouldn't give them.

[ohara831]

It appears that one thing Denver wants badly is a quality PG. They are talking of going after Lawson from UNC in the Draft. Therefore, if we gave them Ray and Crash, but kept our pick, that would enable us to grab a good PG with the #8, but it does not give us a good chance to get a PF with our 2nd rounder, assuming we do have one. I just dont think we can get it done to satisfy Denver unless they just fawned over Crash and they feel they can get a really quality PG with our #8 and dont want Ray but would take Carroll.

Damn, I'm getting Melo envy. It's late, I'm going to bed.

[TheBeagle]

your right ohara...plus we need a team leader that can take us to the playoffs here. Right now we dont have that, although Jrich is close i think.
Well, I don't watch many non-Bobcats NBA games outside of some playoff games, but I don't think Carmelo is half the team leader JRich is....not even in the same area code. Anytime something goes wrong, this kid just self-destructs, pouts, and whines...all things which are anathema to being a team leader. I honestly have no use for the guy, what with his Baltimore gang ties, horrific defense, and reasons listed above.

Admittedly, being a GW homer, any trade with his name mentioned will bring instant skepticism; still, I would be disappointed if we pursued Carmelo even if Crash wasn't involved. I don't see how he solves any of our needs. If we're going to put together a package trade, let's get us a solid 4 that has a smooth offensive game, can defend his position and rebound. Or trade for cap space and get friggin Elton Brand, who serves much much more of a need.

Overall, good thread for the idea exchange and entertainment during the post-LB-hirng and pre-draft lull that's going on.

[EvetsMorrison15]

Ammofan, if Morrison backs up Carmelo then he'll average 2 minutes per game.

Plus Morrison is a better defender.

p.s. Morrison has no defense.

[EvetsMorrison15]

ha ha ha just kidding.

Morrison is a good defender.

Carmelo still sucks.

[ohara831]

Beagle:

Dont forget, Melo has an NCAA Title. That seems to carry a lot of weight in our front office regarding players they like - May, Felton, Okafor.

Melo is a player who is a game changer. He's young, only 23 or 24. We have some high character people on this team, and that will help Melo. I am sure he's hearing the talk, so he's going to want to prove to people that he's not a "bad person". Finally, his game is different from Crash's, which will complement J-Rich, and most assuredly open up the floor for J-Rich even more.

All in all, if we found a way to do it without having to give up both Crash AND Felton, I'd do it easily. Give them Carroll or May or Ammo. Giving them Crash AND Ray or Crash AND a S&T Okafor would be too much. Melo and the 20th pick just would not solve our problems in that case. But, a lineup of say:
Felton, J-Rich, Melo, Love/McGee and Okafor would be a terrific starting 5. A bench with Narz, May, Ammo, Dudley, Hollins, Davidson and our Draft picks would be solid. It takes us into the Playoffs easily and more than 1 round.

We know Larry Brown wants to put his stamp on the team. He said he and MJ discussed the team, it's makeup and what things they wanted to do to make it better PRIOR to his even agreeing to be our Coach. He has ideas - I dont expect him to sit and do nothing. He wants to create a team with HIS identity and shaking things up and bringing a buzz of excitement is exactly what we could use. Melo coming East would be big news, get us quite a bit of talk in the NBA and get us on highlights a bit more on ESPN increasing exposure and people buying Melo Bobcat jerseys.

All totaled, if it can be done, it should be done. I see a small amount of risk, but a very large reward. Be mellow with Melo!

[Dead_Real]

At the end of the day I don't see them moving Melo A.I or George Karl will be gone before him IMO if they make any moves this offseason.

[mrtarheel]

I broke this thread in imploding teams about a week a go and now it seems to be coming to light. Start with Wallace and picks for Melo outright. If that doesn't work see what players they want and see if you could get Diawara back in the trade so he could back up at sg or sf which is where they probably would want one of our players. They don't need pf or c because they are loaded with those. I wouldn't give up felts because with us loosing picks we wouldn't be able to pick up a good one.

[MattD]

its not even worth thinking about. Denver would trade out everyone on their roster before melo.

[Slam]

I don't think that Melo gives us what we need.

If we are going to trade Crash, I'd rather move him for an off guard with high IQ who can help move the ball and get everyone involved and move Swish to the 3.

[ohara831]

I don't think that Melo gives us what we need.

If we are going to trade Crash, I'd rather move him for an off guard with high IQ who can help move the ball and get everyone involved and move Swish to the 3.

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Tell me how almost 27 pts and 7.5 reb per game is not something we can use? Sure he lacks some on Defense, but if we can add a decent post defender down there with Okafor, our interior defense will start being more effective. I guess we can wait and see what happens with the ping pong balls. I mean, if we get lucky and gain a Top 3, then we know we have either Beasley, Rose or Mayo. Any of those 3 brings something needed to the table.

[MattD]

Look, I am/was a huge melo fan. But really I dont think he goes in the direction we want either, not that we have a chance to get him.

Melo is a lot of shots, a lot of scoring, and not great 1 on 1 defense. He shoots a lot of turnarounds, postmoves, and mid range jumpers.

If he was with JSwish, it may not be a bad set up, but the way our team was built (with other pieces emeka and Ray and some PF yet to be found) we cannot have to many people clogging the middle. Ray loves the drive, Mek sits on the block and cannot go out more then 8 feet, and we will have the PF (who would HAVE to be able to extend out, with Nazr, it would be even worse)

Now if we got a off guard who can feed the beast that is JSwish, Jswish will have several options and most likely a mismatch being a smaller 3. If the off guard can drive that would be great, but his game cannot be based around camping out on the block.

It could work either way, but I think Melo doesnt directly fit with us. (Plus hes probably not going anywhere, though today they said no one is a definite)

I think we should really be talking about considering Kenyon Martin. Terrible contract, but denver would love nothing more then to ditch his contract, and we could probably grab several picks from them, along with maybe JR Smiths rights? I think Kmart is silently making a strong comeback. Hes a good post presence but also can get out on the shooting 4. (they made him guard Kobe in the series) We can handle one bad contract on our team.

[dvdbumpus]

Maybe it's just me but I think we're undervaluing Melo. We'd have to give up more than just crash and some extra picks and bums....We'd have to lose more.

[MattD]

I think your right, but in a situation where a team wants to change, it does become easier to get players

[swetooth9]

honestly, i never used to like melo until this year...dunno why, but after watching a few games this year, i can honestly say that i am VERY impressed by his skills, particularly his jump shot...i thought the guy was strictly a drive-to-the-hole-and-get-fouled guy...but this guy's J is straight butter!

yea his defense blows but maybe LB can get him to play some...George karl can't get anyone on the nuggets to play D from what i saw in the lakers-nugs series

crash is my fav player on the bobcats, but i would be willing to give him up in some kind of trade for melo....

[Alex]

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Tell me how almost 27 pts and 7.5 reb per game is not something we can use? Sure he lacks some on Defense, but if we can add a decent post defender down there with Okafor, our interior defense will start being more effective. I guess we can wait and see what happens with the ping pong balls. I mean, if we get lucky and gain a Top 3, then we know we have either Beasley, Rose or Mayo. Any of those 3 brings something needed to the table.

I doubt Mayo is gonna go top 3, plus I think we could use Brook Lopez more than Mayo right now.

[King Taharqa]

Melo's a great player but we'd have to give up too much to get him. Add in the fact, he hasnt performed that great in the playoffs EVER, not quite sure it would be worth it.

[spectre]

Crazy idea...what if we could trade Crash/1st for Melo and Swish for Iggy? That'd be a hell of a revamping, but it'd add a very good defender along the perimeter and would give us a more balanced lineup.

Don't know where we'd get a 4 though.

[Jonathanmartin7]

your right ohara...plus we need a team leader that can take us to the playoffs here. Right now we dont have that, although Jrich is close i think.

I say that next season we will have a team leader in place already his name is raymond. He will have his best year yet! I wouldn't trade him for mello much less Felton and another starter. No I wouldnt do it.

Now if we get lucky come lottery time and can get Mayo, Beasley, or Rose then we could consider moving him.

[Jonathanmartin7]

Are there any Center's out there in the FA market worth looking at?
Cause that is our most glaring need. And what ever happend to going after Brand, Jamison. Brand can play center, Jamison is a great player also. I'd love to have either one on our team.

[MattD]

Crazy idea...what if we could trade Crash/1st for Melo and Swish for Iggy? That'd be a hell of a revamping, but it'd add a very good defender along the perimeter and would give us a more balanced lineup.

Don't know where we'd get a 4 though.

no I think we are thinking about revamping our stronger points rather then our weaker ones when we do that. Say what you want, but the 1, 4 and 5 are our weakest points.

[Slam]

Crazy idea...what if we could trade Crash/1st for Melo and Swish for Iggy? That'd be a hell of a revamping, but it'd add a very good defender along the perimeter and would give us a more balanced lineup.

Don't know where we'd get a 4 though.

Now THAT'S a wing combo!!

That would be sick. Iggy's ball movement and on ball D teamed with Melo's scoring and creativity = wow.

Our outside shooting might take a bit of a hit, but with the Hammer coming off the bench I think we would be ok.

[MattD]

hell while we are dreaming lets pick up Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas and then we would have no defense, a 3pt shooter, and score like crazy.

[Mustachio]

Ive already seen just about enough activity for this offseason.

keep Felton, Jrich, Crash and Okafor. Do some serious scouting on PFs... and draft the best available from the draft OR trade or acquire a FA PF and be done with it.

Let a real coach talk to these guys for a year so we can see what we have in the players before we go gettin all crazy trying to completely rehaul the team.

[dav7z]

Ive already seen just about enough activity for this offseason.

keep Felton, Jrich, Crash and Okafor. Do some serious scouting on PFs... and draft the best available from the draft OR trade or acquire a FA PF and be done with it.

Let a real coach talk to these guys for a year so we can see what we have in the players before we go gettin all crazy trying to completely rehaul the team.


Agreeded thats all wishful thinking only. We going to adress a P/F only and Oakafor will be playing center at a decent price [im hoping]
I would love to see a Brand or a Jamison but more than likely we will have to move down to a 2nd teir type P/F ? WHO?
I don't see a P/F in the draft thet can be much help except Beasley.
Wallace might even be up for a trade to get that P/F. ideas?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

On RealGM.com it says that the Nuggets will shop around carmelo Anthony....Do you think MJ will try to get him? I think he will. Yes Melo has had problems before but why would he try anything risky on the team that the guy who gave him a shoe/clothing contract, owns?

I say that I would give Denver maybe Gerald Wallace/Sean May/09 1st Rd. pick

So we still have this years draft pick, we resign Mek and have a lineup of:

1. Felton/Boykins
2. J-Rich/MC
3. Melo/ The stache
4. Emeka/JD/ Jermareo
5. Kevin Love?/Nazr

that is a playoff team...and out of the first round in the east!!!I would much rather try and get AI on our team. Reuniting him with his old coach at this stage in both their careers may be the right thing to do because it is the right time to do it. I feel Melo is a bit too immature to play for a coach as demanding as LB and it would cause friction on this team. AI is much more grown up than he was in the past and Felts could learn a lot from a guy nearing the end of his career. AI has said that LB was the best coach he ever had. They had a love/hate relationship but AI knows his most successful years came under LB. The Nuggets are looking to overhaul their roster in order to find the right mix of talent and chemistry. AI has been rumored to be trade bait as well. If we can't get AI I would pass up CA because of his immaturity. LB doesn't need more headaches. He had plenty in the past with AI and he sure as hell had many with the Knicks!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Are there any Center's out there in the FA market worth looking at?
Cause that is our most glaring need. And what ever happend to going after Brand, Jamison. Brand can play center, Jamison is a great player also. I'd love to have either one on our team.SINCE NOBODY WILL RESPOND TO ME I MUST SCREAM. What in the F*** is wrong with a guy like Jermaine O'Neal who can play both the 4 and the 5? I know he has had some injury problems the last couple years but the guy when healthy is as talented as almost any player in his primary position. I think he is better than Brand when healthy and he would come cheaper because of his injury problems. That is just my take.

It has already been rumored Dallas would consider J.O. for their team. I say that would be great for him because he would be reunited with Rick Carlisle where he had his best years but if not Dallas I feel a coach like Larry Brown would be a good fit for him.

[tamburello]

We were criticizing Gerald for killing the ball movement on offense. Now we are suggesting an even worse passer to replace him.

Although Carmelo is a great talent, he has not matured yet. And it looks like he has a lot way to go. The reason of Denver's sucking in playoffs although huge sum of talent is that both Carmelo and AI are ball hogs. If you have one of these players, you have to bring in defensive warriors around them, not stars like J-Rich. Remember the 2001 Sixers, Iverson + tough defenders and team players (Mutombo, McKie, Snow, Lynch, Geiger etc). Or 2004 Pistons had no players dominating the ball. Brown would never want him, IMHO.

I don't even mention his huge maximum contract with 4 years left.

[ohara831]

His Contract is only a couple mil $ over J-Rich. If we were to trade Crash and Carroll, we'd actually be $2 mil under where we are now.

My only concern would be the team chemistry. That is where LB comes into play. He can make it work IF it's what he wants. But if it is not what LB wants, we wont even sniff at the idea.

[tamburello]

His Contract is only a couple mil $ over J-Rich. If we were to trade Crash and Carroll, we'd actually be $2 mil under where we are now.

My only concern would be the team chemistry. That is where LB comes into play. He can make it work IF it's what he wants. But if it is not what LB wants, we wont even sniff at the idea.

His contract may be a little higher than J-Rich's, so why would we get another contract just like J-Rich's if we will not show significant improvement? I doubt Melo will give us this.

Denver will definitely do something. But it is too early to give up on Melo IMHO. As soon as he matures, just like Kobe did, he'll be a winner. But not now. We can't take that risk for sacrificing Wallace.

About FA Centers... I believe Okafor's contract will be the primary factor on our big man decisions. Camby's expiring contract would be a destination, but we have nothing to give them except Ray (and we won't). Last summer I wanted Magloire, but he had a horrible season. I have my doubts now.

[Ledddaaa]

I kind of like this:

Matt Carroll
Gerald Wallace
2nd

for
Melo

It's not that bad and could be a huge move

[x2pacalypse]

I kind of like this:

Matt Carroll
Gerald Wallace
2nd

for
Melo

It's not that bad and could be a huge move

i'd like this...but also idk if im really ready to part with crash, what we gain in offense we lose in defense, so yea it depends on our team needs

[TheLegend]

There was a source that the Denver Nuggets are intersted in Emeka Okafor. Maybe we could trade him for Carmelo Anthony and a 2nd round pick.

http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/23764-Eyes-On-The-Prize-Emeka-Okafor-To-The-Denver-Nuggets-

[ammofan]

Wow....i would love to trade Okafor/carroll/2008 and 2009 2nd rd. picks for Melo/2008 1st rd pick???

[spectre]

That might get AI but it wouldn't get Melo.

[MattD]

that would be horrible for us unless we found a way to pick up a solid interior defender. Otherwise we would be even worse, for all the grief I give Mek, he is decent on the inside as a defender.