Rasheed Wallace?

[tamburello]

When Pistons were eliminated Rasheed was headed to the exit, I thought we would be considered as potential trade partners by the media. But I haven't heard such a lopsided and ridiculous thing.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080602/SPORTS0102/806020370/1127


Would Dumars call his buddy Michael Jordan in Charlotte and try to work a deal for Jason Richardson, who is going to, most likely, chafe under the constraints of Larry Brown's offense? Would Dumars call and offer Wallace and others in exchange for Richardson and Emeka Okafor?

Do we look as dumb as they think? I simply don't get it. After Gasol's trade to Lakers, I guess the "big" teams are looking to steal stars from "small" teams for nothing. Or did they find this bravery from last season's trade in which they dumped Nazr's contract to us?

I'm wondering so much whom they mean by saying "others". I bet they meant something like Lindsey Hunter+Juan Dixon ????

And how on earth they can assume J-Rich to be a AI type ballhog guy to have problems with Larry Brown?

We have to do something on the court in order to gain some respect on both and off the court. Period.

[Dead_Real]

I love Sheeds game but I wouldn't do Sheed and some fillers (I'm assuming Prince, Stuckey and Maxiell wont be offered) for Swish and Mek.

[Mustachio]

Sheed would be nice to pair up with Oak. but theres probably no way we get him without giving up too much and he doesnt have long left in his career. not to mention the intolerable side effects that would come with yet another UNC guy.

Sean May, Ammo and this years number 9 pick for Sheed and their first round pick. gives them back a scoring PF and a SF and a pick to go whichever direction they please. they wont take that but i definitely would.

[ohara831]

Sheed has a good game, but his attitude sucks. Al the technicals and his whining just grates on my nerves. I would not want that on my team. He also has some years on those tires. I would pass on Sheed unless he was only a sub-part of the deal, and I dont expect that to be the case.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

I think Sheed would be a good fit here IF the price is right. No way do we give up our core of J-Rich, Mek, or Crash, but if we could do a trade that involves anyone else (very unlikely) I would be all for it.

I think a big to command double teams is what we need, and it would open up everything for shooters like J-Rich and Carrol. Then we have a formidable front like with mek at C, and sheed at the 4. Yeah sheeds attitude sucks, but I would take mustachios trade offer in a second, Carolina backlash be damned.

[ziggy]

Sheed has a good game, but his attitude sucks. Al the technicals and his whining just grates on my nerves. I would not want that on my team. He also has some years on those tires. I would pass on Sheed unless he was only a sub-part of the deal, and I dont expect that to be the case.

Plus he is 34 years old. I'll pass

[ziggy]

Heres another idiotic trade
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26695-Trade-Rumors-Resheed-Wallace-On-the-Move-and-More

A trade scenario that would work though is trading Sheed and the 29th pick for Gerald Wallace, Othella Harrington, cash, and the ninth pick in the draft.
The Pistons get versatile player in Gerald Wallace and a top 10 pick, where they can land a variety range of players.

These guys must be completely high.

[TheBeagle]

It's so much fun watching this guy unravel on the court, and see the steam coming out of his ears right before he goes ballistic....but that's when he's playing for the other team. According to a respected friend, he's a great guy off the court and fun to talk to, plus the fans have loved him everywhere he's been, but even so, I was happy to see him leave North Carolina after his sophomore year, and the feeling hasn't changed any since then; I don't want him on my NBA team either.

That said, if we could get him for a steal, I'd do it; that is, nothing involving JRich or Gerald.

[dvdbumpus]

Heres another idiotic trade
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26695-Trade-Rumors-Resheed-Wallace-On-the-Move-and-More

These guys must be completely high.


Ya, lets give them a potential all star, cash, expiring contracts, AND a top 10 pick for a 34 year old sheed and basically a 2nd round pick? You're right Ziggy, absolutely crazy.

[amour217]

If Rasheed rebounded better, I'd be a little more apt to let his attitude slide with the expiring contract. But he's boarded 8+ per game only twice in his career and the numbers are getting lower year by year. Our front line's problem is rebounding. Outside of Okafor, who disappeared on the glass in quite a few games, we don't have any other consistent rebounding. I've always said that we need to look for rebounding in our next PF, whether it be in the draft or via trade because that will address a big need for the 'Cats.

[TheBeagle]

I'm slightly warming up to the idea, but it can't be the pick and significant players; basically, I agree with what Mustachio writes; though really, I'd rather just give up either May or Morrison and not both plus 9, but only if Westbrook is already gone. The more I read, the more I've really soured on this year's draft, and outside of the top 2, I don't see any obvious breakout talent left. There's definitely going to be an eventual All Star or two picked after 2, but it could just as easy be number 19 as 3, I think; but of them all, Westbrook is the only one I really like (I just don't trust Love's knees after the Sean May fiasco).

Therefore, I'm all for trading a project for a productive, versatile NBA-tested vet, especially one that occupies the 4.

[dvdbumpus]

If they added in Rodney Stuckey to the Sheed deal involving the 9 pick and a semi-significant player, I'd possibly be more apt to the deal.

Bonnell thinks we should:


If I were the Bobcats, I'd at least consider giving up the ninth pick, a couple of players and some salary-cap space to make that happen.


http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/653637.html

[tamburello]

Why should we consider cap space clearing at the moment? We're at the bottom of payroll chart, while even Mavs and Knicks are not thinking about it, why we are?

We must not give up 9th pick for cap space I guess.

[ohara831]

I modified my thoughts on this under the "Bonnell is an idiot" Thread. I read on RGM that Scoop Jackson reported that the deal may be Sheed for Crash and May. Now, if that was the deal, and no #9 pick involved, I may consider it. Word is LB is not enamored with Crash's game and loves Dudley. Crash may see less time and Dudley more, so a trade makes sense. Especially if we can somehow get them to also give us their 1st rounder for our 2nd at #38. Sheed at the PF for 1 yr, and then either resigned or $13 mil off the books! If we keep #9 and this deal happens, I would then look at Gallinari real hard at #9.

[ammofan]

Well i would absolutley love if Scoop Jackson's rumor becomes reality!

Here is what we should do:

Bobcats Trade:
Gerald Wallace
Sean May
Rick Bonnell

Pistons Trade:
Rasheed Wallace
Red Wings Stanley Cup Trophy

[amour217]

Well i would absolutley love if Scoop Jackson's rumor becomes reality!

Here is what we should do:

Bobcats Trade:
Gerald Wallace
Sean May
Rick Bonnell

Pistons Trade:
Rasheed Wallace
Red Wings Stanley Cup Trophy

No way, here's what I'd do:

Bobcats Trade:
Gerald Wallace
Sean May
Rick Bonnell
People who can't merge on I-485 (aka 85% of Charlotte)

Bobcats Get:
Rasheed Wallace
Robocop
Faster Commute for all of us

[Mustachio]

this deal seems to have legs. seeing little tidbits on legitimate sights about us trading the 9 or making a draft day deal.


i understand crash's injury concern, i understand that Brown may not be a fan (even though i can't see how he couldnt be a Brown type player) but trading Crash just has disaster written all over it for me.

[DirtyU11]

Totally agree with you Mustachio. If we make a trade for RW we dont trade any part of our core.(crash j rich okafor) we were five games out of the playoffs with a horrible coach now we have a hall of fame one. I would be willing to trade our pick and say may or morrison for rasheed if Randolph and Love are off the board other wise i say we keep it.

[Mustachio]

Totally agree with you Mustachio. If we make a trade for RW we dont trade any part of our core.(crash j rich okafor) we were five games out of the playoffs with a horrible coach now we have a hall of fame one. I would be willing to trade our pick and say may or morrison for rasheed if Randolph and Love are off the board other wise i say we keep it.


welcome.


how nice would Ray, Rich, Crash, Sheed, Okafor look. I think that makes us a 4 seed in the East.

Joe Dumars fired Flip... one of the reasons being he wouldnt work with younger players. so maybe Joe could be persuaded to take on Sean May and the 9th pick for Sheed. They get younger and add a high pick, we get an expiring deal that could be the final peice for at least a good playoff run.

i doubt it though... Sean May is about untradable at this point... unless hes just a throw in to sweeten a deal. and i dont think the Pistons have any single need for Ammo.


If we have to give up Crash then we HAVE to keep the number 9 pick. If we have to give up the 9th pick...we HAVE to keep Crash.

[110oldeast]

I would be all for this trade if it happens (not sure that it will). We had our greatest chemistry and consistency without Crash after we unloaded Touche and ran the Felton/Boykins combo at pg allowing Carroll and Dudley to split the minutes and work with J-Rich giving us some consistent shooting at the 2 and 3 spot. If Crash really doesn't want to play 4 as he said, then his value is significantly lower, b/c the team is much better when he is at the 4 than the 3.

Furthermore, Sheed would give us a pick and pop option that we lack while having some post offense as well. He also defends the Bosh types better than anyone we have. At the end of the year, we can sign him back for less or let him go, especially if we get a Love or Randolph in the draft (Westbrook is my choice behind the versatile shooting frontcourt player to compliment Mek) who can learn for a year and adjust to LB.

That said, I doubt this would happen. I don't think we should trade 9 for any reason other than to move up to get a preferred player or back to pick up a secondary option if preferred players are gone.



I modified my thoughts on this under the "Bonnell is an idiot" Thread. I read on RGM that Scoop Jackson reported that the deal may be Sheed for Crash and May. Now, if that was the deal, and no #9 pick involved, I may consider it. Word is LB is not enamored with Crash's game and loves Dudley. Crash may see less time and Dudley more, so a trade makes sense. Especially if we can somehow get them to also give us their 1st rounder for our 2nd at #38. Sheed at the PF for 1 yr, and then either resigned or $13 mil off the books! If we keep #9 and this deal happens, I would then look at Gallinari real hard at #9.

[110oldeast]

On another note, I am a big Dudley fan as well. For all the credit Crash gets as a defender, it is more in the gamble for steals highlight form. Dudley in his first year has already shown more as a lockdown individual defender than Crash has while being one of the Bobcats most sound players on both sides of the ball.

[Mustachio]

On another note, I am a big Dudley fan as well. For all the credit Crash gets as a defender, it is more in the gamble for steals highlight form. Dudley in his first year has already shown more as a lockdown individual defender than Crash has while being one of the Bobcats most sound players on both sides of the ball.


sorry man i cant go along with that... Crash is a 10 times better defender than Dudley can even dream of being.

Dudley is awesome i love him... but i don't think theres enough evidence to say hes even close to Crash awesome yet.

I still dont know whos gonna fill in at SF if we let Crash go. Unless Ammo is up to the task... which most people on here dont agree.

I dont know that Jrich would be better at the SF position because he definetly played pretty well from a SG position.

id rather see Ray Jrich Ammo/dudley Sheed Oak than Ray Carroll Jrich Sheed Oak. starting wise at least.


who will be available at #9 that can play the SF best.

[TheBeagle]

On another note, I am a big Dudley fan as well. For all the credit Crash gets as a defender, it is more in the gamble for steals highlight form. Dudley in his first year has already shown more as a lockdown individual defender than Crash has while being one of the Bobcats most sound players on both sides of the ball.
Gerald definitely gets his share of steals via the gamble, and also puts the defense at a disadvantage when he doesn't come up with a steal, but he gets more than a fair share of steals from just knocking the ball out of a player's hand at face-up or when they're dribbling toward the basket. Not to mention the massive weak side blocks he comes up with. JD, as much as I like him, doesn't have the quickness or athleticism to do these things. Plus, JD had plenty of early exits in the 1st and 2nd quarters because of foul trouble from not being able to contain his man either on the perimeter or on the block.

And Mustachio brings up a great point: if the trades goes through, and JRich moves to 3, which some people are championing, then who is going to be our starting 2? Matt Carroll?!?! I love the guy, and I see him playing 20+ minutes per game, but I can't see us contending with him as our starting 2.

[tamburello]

Gerald Wallace+Sean May package is our most trustworthy package I believe. But I doubt Detroit would take it. What about offering the same package to Dallas for Josh Howard? Mavs were reportedly willing to unload him. We remember that last year they tried so hard to acquire Gerald Wallace as well. He may fit in Carlisle's defensive system and be the neo-Artest for him. Also a cured May would be huge for them in big man rotation. If not, he's expiring anyway.

And we would get a very smart, great shooter, and also penetrating SF with an upgraded BBall IQ over Crash. Larry Brown would love it.

[ohara831]

I like Josh, but we cannot do SF for SF. That doesn't help us get our back up PG or a PF. The trade would have to help towards one or both.

Someone I am watching closely now from the Draft is Joe Alexander. I am really liking what I see from him, and he seems to be able to float b/t SF and PF which is a plus as it gives us different floor options. Great athlete, solid BBIQ, and very nice scorer. If a deal is done and Crash is gone, he is not a bad option. We'd have to leave J-Rich at SG, but he did fine last yr playing that most of the time. But if a deal brings us a solid PF which we want, not a bad option to fall back upon, even if the Defense of Crash is lost.

[110oldeast]

If that led to us getting Brandon Bass and something, I would do it. For Josh Howard, no way.

And to the folks who still feel that Wallace is a better defender than Dudley, he has not shown it in terms of INDIVIDUAL defense. He is a strong HELP defender, but ask yourself this. How often has he defended the other teams marquee wing for all the credit we give him defensively? How about when we had the Brevin/Felton backcourt. Why is it that Felton who is 7 inches shorter than Crash that was ALWAYS guarding the marquee wing even when they towered over him?

Crash has the POTENTIAL and REPUTATION of being a lockdown defender but has not shown it anymore than Dudley who has played against elite wings. He also is able to play within the framework of a halfcourt offense more efficiently than Gerald who is a big isolation guy (probably what Larry doesn't like along with the gambling on defense. Gerald makes the spectacular plays that wow the crowd while Dudley makes the simple more subtle plays that many fans miss, but win games (what Larry probably likes).

I will say it again. Crash is best suited for us at the 4. HOWEVER, if he is going to play the 3, the team philosophy needs to be to push it at every opportunity, b/c he is a shooting liability at the wing spot. And unlike a Utah team who starts Ronnie Brewer, we don't have a pair of frontcourt players who can step out 15-17 (Boozer) or to the 3 point line to spread the floor. At somepoint, the Bobcats are going to have to really watch the rest of the league realize that if you cannot spread the floor with multiple players who are above average jumpshooters at their position, it limits your top players abilities to get free, the playmaking of the pg, and the halfcourt offense.

And if anybody can come close to giving me an example that contradicts it, I will give you every positive emoticon out there.


Gerald Wallace+Sean May package is our most trustworthy package I believe. But I doubt Detroit would take it. What about offering the same package to Dallas for Josh Howard? Mavs were reportedly willing to unload him. We remember that last year they tried so hard to acquire Gerald Wallace as well. He may fit in Carlisle's defensive system and be the neo-Artest for him. Also a cured May would be huge for them in big man rotation. If not, he's expiring anyway.

And we would get a very smart, great shooter, and also penetrating SF with an upgraded BBall IQ over Crash. Larry Brown would love it.

[110oldeast]

Jared is a better, more sound defender. Crash is a more exciting, flashier defender and player, which is why he has the following he does.


sorry man i cant go along with that... Crash is a 10 times better defender than Dudley can even dream of being.

Dudley is awesome i love him... but i don't think theres enough evidence to say hes even close to Crash awesome yet.

I still dont know whos gonna fill in at SF if we let Crash go. Unless Ammo is up to the task... which most people on here dont agree.

I dont know that Jrich would be better at the SF position because he definetly played pretty well from a SG position.

id rather see Ray Jrich Ammo/dudley Sheed Oak than Ray Carroll Jrich Sheed Oak. starting wise at least.


who will be available at #9 that can play the SF best.

[spectre]

I'm with Mustachio...Duds doesn't have anywhere near the lateral quickness Crash does which limits his ability to keep guys taking him off the dribble. He is smart so he has a good chance of guessing which way they're going, but Crash is much better at staying in front of his guy when he's motivated.

Not to mention Duds can't jump, which also limits him defensively.

[Keetch]

If we have to give up Crash and May then I wouldn't mind this depth Chart....but I don't want to give up our 9th Pick if either Love or Randolph is still on the board.

Emeka Okafor / Mohammed
Rasheed Wallace / Love or Randolph / Davidson
Jared Dudley / Morrison
Jason Richardson / Carroll
Raymond Felton / 2nd Round combo guard

[Mustachio]

Jared is a better, more sound defender. Crash is a more exciting, flashier defender and player, which is why he has the following he does.


Im all about Jared Dudley man. but when Crash is assigned a mark... he blankets the guy. JD can never do that because of his lack of athletic ability. JD can't dunk the ball how is gonna stop someone from dunking the ball. I would actually say everything you said about JD and Crash except the opposite. As far as help defense goes... JD is good because he has a great BBIQ, and is a great peice in team d. But if Kobe comes into town... Crash is guarding him not JD.

Believe me... we all notice JD's "little things" we raved about him last year because of it. He always has a knack to make the great little play. And im ok with trading Gerald Wallace... but it has to be for a fair or better than fair offer. I dont want to take the downgrade at SF (however small you may think it is) for a trade that snags us a marginal PF.

I can't think of many occasions where Crash "gambling" really hurt us anyway. It may have led to about 10 open 3 pointers a year... but i can live with that if he keeps getting the steals and open court dunks.

I do think Jared Dudley is a great fundamentally sound ball player and has tons of potential to be a glue guy. But he isn't the basketball player Gerald Wallace is right now, and thats not a diss... cause hes got plenty of time to get there.

[ohara831]

If we have to give up Crash and May then I wouldn't mind this depth Chart....but I don't want to give up our 9th Pick if either Love or Randolph is still on the board.

Emeka Okafor / Mohammed
Rasheed Wallace / Love or Randolph / Davidson
Jared Dudley / Morrison
Jason Richardson / Carroll
Raymond Felton / 2nd Round combo guard
__________________________________________________ ____________________

I like that lineup. But, if we traded Crash and May for Sheed, and kept #9, I honestly think I'd go with Joe Alexander at #9. I love the fact he can play the SF or the PF, he is a tremendous athlete, and he has a good offensive game. I do understand taking Love or Randolph and letting them have a yr to learn under Sheed makes good sense, and certainly Dudley can hold down the SF position some. But I dont see Dudley as a starting SF; he is more of a backup. Also, with Alexander's ability to move between the SF and PF positions, it allows for more flexibility in the lineup with several options. I would not be upset with Love or Randolph in the scenario, but I just think Alexander might prove to be a better player for us down the line.

[Mustachio]

__________________________________________________ ____________________

I like that lineup. But, if we traded Crash and May for Sheed, and kept #9, I honestly think I'd go with Joe Alexander at #9. I love the fact he can play the SF or the PF, he is a tremendous athlete, and he has a good offensive game. I do understand taking Love or Randolph and letting them have a yr to learn under Sheed makes good sense, and certainly Dudley can hold down the SF position some. But I dont see Dudley as a starting SF; he is more of a backup. Also, with Alexander's ability to move between the SF and PF positions, it allows for more flexibility in the lineup with several options. I would not be upset with Love or Randolph in the scenario, but I just think Alexander might prove to be a better player for us down the line.


do you really think that Alexander has what it takes to play PF in the NBA. I dont think he would last 10 minutes to be honest. He is only 6 8 and skinny.

I see him more as a big SG in the NBA with the ability to play SF and even back his man down IF the SF guarding him is of around the same size.
Just not big enough, mean enough, or skilled enough to last 10 minutes as a PF.

[Keetch]

O'Hara, if we trade down then I think the Alexander idea is very good. We'll be a little soft at PF though. But as you've mentioned in other threads , if we do land Frye for the #9 and then pick up Alexander at 14; I suppose we're deeper.

Not sure. I'm trusting Coach Brown though......

That would be...

Okafor / Mohammed
Wallace / Frye / Davidson
Alexander / Dudley / Morrison
JRich / Carroll / 2nd Round Combo
Felton / Jack

Not sure I like that as much, but its not bad! It also kind of benches Ammo, which I think (hope) is premature. Alexander may be a much more athletic Morrison though. Yeah, they're both white....lol so of course I couldn't help compariing them....they are an apt comparison though.

[Keetch]

The other problem here may be Matt Carroll. He showed last year that he's really not very effective unless he's getting significant minutes. Then, he's actually a pretty good player.

It seems that Matt may be better playing for a different team where he might get more minutes. Playing behind JRich is trouble for Carroll unless LB decides to go with JRich at SF a good bit, which could very well happen. I kind of doubt Brown will do that but really I don't know.

I enjoy having Matt Carroll on the team and love seeing him on the court. But I also enjoy winning and watching hyper-athletic players. :P

I just hope it doesn't play out as a lost year for Matt.

[Mustachio]

O'Hara, if we trade down then I think the Alexander idea is very good. We'll be a little soft at PF though. But as you've mentioned in other threads , if we do land Frye for the #9 and then pick up Alexander at 14; I suppose we're deeper.

Not sure. I'm trusting Coach Brown though......

That would be...

Okafor / Mohammed
Wallace / Frye / Davidson
Alexander / Dudley / Morrison
JRich / Carroll / 2nd Round Combo
Felton / Jack

Not sure I like that as much, but its not bad! It also kind of benches Ammo, which I think (hope) is premature. Alexander may be a much more athletic Morrison though. Yeah, they're both white....lol so of course I couldn't help compariing them....they are an apt comparison though.


exactly... we already have 3 better versions of Joe Alexander on this team... why add another.

Larry Brown did apparently like his work out with Joe... but i hope that doesnt equal him drafting him.

[dav7z]

Im starting to thing we giving up Wallace and the ninth pick for R. Wallace and the twenty ninth pick. I hope we not ,he's all ready thirty four . To me it's a bone head move to get a player who at most gives you two more years. Way to much to give up.

I would much rather do Frye ,Jack, and Thirteen for Wallace and the ninth,
Not thet im thrilled with either one.
But the players brought into camp so far indacate one of thease trades come off draft night.

Im all so looking at us trading our first for Charlie V and only drafting a second round pick.

Or even Jamison and our first for Wallace and Washingtons first s/t
Or even the one i like Brand for our first and Wallace and May S/T

Felts, Rich, Dudley, Brand , Okafor,

[dnbman]

I think somebody already said this, but we need to slow down with the speculation. Folks are talking about trading one of the most important players to the organization for basically peanuts or an aging Sheed. I'm not seeing it.

Regardless of how we play without Wallace, he has tremendous value for his contract. Trading him for parts and a late lottery pick doesn't make sense.

I think in all likelihood, we make a smaller trade or move down a few spots to pick up an additional pick.

However, you need to know what's out there if you're trying to pick up another pick. I just don't think we need to be guessing on star caliber trades just because we tried out a couple of mid first rounders.

[dav7z]

I think somebody already said this, but we need to slow down with the speculation. Folks are talking about trading one of the most important players to the organization for basically peanuts or an aging Sheed. I'm not seeing it.

Regardless of how we play without Wallace, he has tremendous value for his contract. Trading him for parts and a late lottery pick doesn't make sense.

I think in all likelihood, we make a smaller trade or move down a few spots to pick up an additional pick.

However, you need to know what's out there if you're trying to pick up another pick. I just don't think we need to be guessing on star caliber trades just because we tried out a couple of mid first rounders.
1. We have had our first two work outs and we haven't even had a true P/F or center work so far . All we have had is wings and points. This team is full of wings. That in it's self is enough to make you think G Wallace talks are going on . The numbers are starting to add up.
2. I agree some of thease trade talks i would not do either. But from the players we working out so far . We giving up our ninth pick. It looks like.
3. Wallace is our most valuable trade piece and i think if management thinks a trade makes the team better Wallace will be traded.
4. This is a message board and people enjoy gessing our next moves . Thats a big part of the fun. I for one am not going to stop guessing . Why slow down with it when runors and gessing are a big part of this board? What would be left to talk about but who cliped thair nails to day wait thats guessing too. OR
Oh yea getting another first round pick is gussing too? OMG
So all you Bobcats fans keep guessing having fun and trading May for D Wade it's all part of the fun. Even if it;s a trade people don't like it's still fun in the off season.
5. No one on hear is a Basketbal genius so feel free to express your openion.
Dnbman i have to disagree with your thoughts about the fans getting excited about different trades . We both know we only right about 5 percent of the time but the guessing is the fun part.

[110oldeast]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. If you watch NBA defense of wings, it is more about POSITIONING then raw athleticism and jumping. How would Bruce Bowen be the defender he is if it were about the latter?

And folks have IMAGINED Crash taken on top challenges and locking them down for the Bobcats. He may get a few possessions on them in the fourth quarter, but that is it. Trust me, I watched Raymond Felton play the 2 and often find himself defending Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, even Kobe, and T-Mac at times because we were "preserving" Crash. I saw Jeff McInnis get an abnormal amount of burn and be assigned to top scorers.

This dream that WE ALL have of Crash being the guy who put on top scorers for other teams and slowing them down is a myth plain and simple. They like to put him on weaker guys so he can gamble and jump the lanes like he does. He does not guard Lebron, Kobe, T-Mac or other guys that you would expect him to given the reputation that folks have given him. Could he? Possibly. I wish they would let us see, instead of trying to save him to make him into an offensive star. But it just has not happened. Jared did one of the better jobs on Kobe of anyone on our team and frustrated him.

Bobcats folks have got to stop letting perception get in the way of reality.


Im all about Jared Dudley man. but when Crash is assigned a mark... he blankets the guy. JD can never do that because of his lack of athletic ability. JD can't dunk the ball how is gonna stop someone from dunking the ball. I would actually say everything you said about JD and Crash except the opposite. As far as help defense goes... JD is good because he has a great BBIQ, and is a great peice in team d. But if Kobe comes into town... Crash is guarding him not JD.

Believe me... we all notice JD's "little things" we raved about him last year because of it. He always has a knack to make the great little play. And im ok with trading Gerald Wallace... but it has to be for a fair or better than fair offer. I dont want to take the downgrade at SF (however small you may think it is) for a trade that snags us a marginal PF.

I can't think of many occasions where Crash "gambling" really hurt us anyway. It may have led to about 10 open 3 pointers a year... but i can live with that if he keeps getting the steals and open court dunks.

I do think Jared Dudley is a great fundamentally sound ball player and has tons of potential to be a glue guy. But he isn't the basketball player Gerald Wallace is right now, and thats not a diss... cause hes got plenty of time to get there.

[110oldeast]

We actually won a decent amount with Matt in the lineup. And we actually won at a higher clip without our most super athletic player than with him. However, folks are too blinded by the highlights to accept this.


The other problem here may be Matt Carroll. He showed last year that he's really not very effective unless he's getting significant minutes. Then, he's actually a pretty good player.

It seems that Matt may be better playing for a different team where he might get more minutes. Playing behind JRich is trouble for Carroll unless LB decides to go with JRich at SF a good bit, which could very well happen. I kind of doubt Brown will do that but really I don't know.

I enjoy having Matt Carroll on the team and love seeing him on the court. But I also enjoy winning and watching hyper-athletic players. :P

I just hope it doesn't play out as a lost year for Matt.

[110oldeast]

I see part of why we disagree on things Mustachio. I feel as though you are looking at players in terms of the post-Jordan "let's supersize our players" league. The league is not that way now. Alexander is MUCH more of a 3/4 than a 2/3. He has plenty of spring and was one of the strongest guys in the pre-draft workouts. It is a game of skill. The Bobcats need to put more skill (i.e. shooting) on the floor. They won more when they did this, b/c the game is no longer about trying to assemble the best trapeze artists. You have to have guys who can knockdown jumpers or your guys who want to get in the lane will be zoned/walled out.

Alexander certainly could be a floor spreading 4 in the right situation, while potentially being able to guard some of the more mobile 4s that the league has now. He will have to continue to get stronger, but he is not weak by any means. He is not Morrison or Carroll other than being white and having some ability to shoot the ball. I am not saying we should take him, but avoiding him b/c of Carroll and Morrison would not be the case. He is more of a 3/4 like Crash than 2/3s like those guys.

Whatever we do, we need to add a frontcourt guy, preferably a PF who can shoot the ball and spread the floor, providing a legit pick and pop weapon to fill the May void.


do you really think that Alexander has what it takes to play PF in the NBA. I dont think he would last 10 minutes to be honest. He is only 6 8 and skinny.

I see him more as a big SG in the NBA with the ability to play SF and even back his man down IF the SF guarding him is of around the same size.
Just not big enough, mean enough, or skilled enough to last 10 minutes as a PF.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

I like Alexander, but I don't think he fits for our team. If we weren't so overloaded with wings then I would be excited to get him. Truthfully, I agree with mustachio, I think he is too small to be a PF, and if he is not a PF then he is another wing. I agree with you 110oldeast about the need for a PF though. If we keep the 9 pick I would hope that love falls to us to give us some frontcourt help.