Frye and Jack

[dav7z]

I have been talking with a bunch of people on the Portland and about ninty percent would make this trade.
Im going to make a pole just to see what Bobcatsplanet thinks. Less liven thease boards up Bobcats fans.
Bobcats in = Frye, Jack, and Portlands first round pick 13th
Bobcats out= Wallace
That would give us.
1. Felton , Jack
2.Carroll.
3.Rich, Dudley, Morrison,
4.Frye, May, Davidson
5. Okafor, Nazz, Hollins,
We would then have three draft picks
The 9th the 13th and the 38th. We might be able to package 9 and 13 to go after Mayo nothing for sure thair. Either way we looking at players like Gordon. Westbrook , Love , Randolph, Green and so on .
The big question would you give up Crash for Frye, Jack, and a 13th pick
I would jump all over this deal whats your thoughts?
And what draft picks would be needed?
Dead season talk people LOL. Lets show Bobcatsplanet is still the best,.

[Mustachio]

any lineup that has Matt Carrol as a starter is busted.

Id say

Felton, Jack
Rich, Carroll
Dudley, Morrison
Frye, Davidson, May
Okafor, Nazr, Hollins

then keep the 9th overall and add the BPA.

that lineup is considerably slower than our current one however. and a little undersized. I just dont think its a great trade

I wouldn't do it because i don't think we are getting fair return for Wallace. and the fact that 90% of Portland fans would do this trade shows that. they give up nothing and gain everything.

When I think of a trade, I do my best to hose the other team. this hoses us.

[Weezy21]

realgm trade checker says:

Sorry, but this trade does not work.

There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to Portland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Portland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here. This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[dav7z]

any lineup that has Matt Carrol as a starter is busted.
Agreeded but we have a lot of options at the two you put them in.
Rich could play two, Randolph could play the three with the smallest player 6.10 on the frunt line. We might be able to trade up for Mayo, Westbrook is a defencive halk. Gordon is not a bad choice either Rebound s woud stop being a problem . Jack settles the back up point position and Jack can play a little two. Frye settles the P/F position and no draft picks have been used . This would nake this team much deeper. Even a healthy MORRISON might be able to play thw two i don't know . Just a lot of options.
Thoughts Mustachio.

[dav7z]

realgm trade checker says:

Sorry, but this trade does not work.

There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to Portland being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Portland had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here. This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Im sure we could make the deal work somehow if we had to add Harrington or if they had to add Outlaw they even seem receptive to adding Outlaw or add Hollins somthing could be done.

[MattD]

can i say hell no. Sorry but Frye isnt as good as you all are making him out to be. Jack is terrible, and the 13th? whose that maybe projects like Donte Greene. I dont mind trading Crash, but he is a 20 5 7 guy. Jarret Jack is not a good pg, and Frye is a mediocre and soft pf at best, yeah he spreads the paint, but really not worth it. Our rebounding might be worse then last year.

[Mustachio]

Agreeded but we have a lot of options at the two you put them in.
Rich could play two, Randolph could play the three with the smallest player 6.10 on the frunt line. We might be able to trade up for Mayo, Westbrook is a defencive halk. Gordon is not a bad choice either Rebound s woud stop being a problem . Jack settles the back up point position and Jack can play a little two. Frye settles the P/F position and no draft picks have been used . This would nake this team much deeper. Even a healthy MORRISON might be able to play thw two i don't know . Just a lot of options.
Thoughts Mustachio.

i like that the trade gives us better options at PF and back up point... not many trades on our site address both of our biggest problems. this one does.

If you could get an agreement that packaging the picks to move up and get mayo before the draft and before this deal went down... then i would do it in a heartbeat.

because this lineup makes my heart happy. especially with a coach that knows what a lineup means.

Ray, Jack
Mayo, Carroll
Rich, Dudley, Ammo
Frye, Davidson, May
Okafor, Nazr, Hollins

I hate the idea of depending on a rookie to start... and I don't know if Mayo would enjoy playing in the small market. but that lineup looks good to me for at least 4 more years.

[MattD]

oj mayo is convinced he is a pg though. plus minni is not giving up three for 9 and 13

[Mustachio]

oj mayo is convinced he is a pg though. plus minni is not giving up three for 9 and 13

i agree this is not the best trade.

but mayo thinking hes a PG isn't a problem, Lebron brings the ball down the court and distributes from the SF position. so I don't see it as a problem. In fact with Rich having terrible handles... having another body that is capable of bringin the ball up the court is a welcome situation. not to mention the flexibility it would bring. give Ray a 3rd quarter rest and go big with Mayo, Rich, Morrison, Okafor and Nazr. plenty of options with more than one guy capable of bringin the ball up and scoring.

and i think Minni would take the 9 and 13 for the 3.

they have more holes than Oj Mayo could ever fill. plus he wont wanna play in Minnesota. where as in Charlotte at least we have decent weather, and have Michael Jordan in the Front Office. If im a young guy trying to pick the best place for me to play and I want to go to LA or NY but i cant. and i have to choose Charlotte or Minnesota. Im taking Charlotte every day. because their situation is better as far as personnel goes. we dont have the bling of LA but we do have His Airness.

[ohara831]

Mustachio:

If we could pull off that trade of #9 and #13 for #3, I would do it. I love the lineup you listed. But I think Matt is correct in that I dont see MINN making the trade. Nonetheless, McHale has made some boneheaded moves, and he might think 2 for 1 is worth it. Remember, they are said to really like Kevin Love and may take a shot on him being there at #9. I'd also happily give them Sean May and 5 cheeseburgers to make the deal go down.

I am not opposed to the trade with Portland. The more time passes, the more I fear that Crash is only one "crash" away from doing himself damage to be out for several weeks, and destroying any trade potential at all. Certainly, Jack is a quality PG who can back up Ray. Frye can handle the PF position and would at the least be a quality player off the Bench to seriously contribute. But I really like the options available with the picks as well. For example:
#9 Gordon, Westbrook, Love or Randolph
#13 Joe Alexander, DeAndre Jordan, Marreese Speights or Donte Greene
#38 Joey Dorsey, Kyle Weaver or Bill Walker

Depending on who you take at #9 determines if you go big or small with #13. BPA at #38. I would have no major concerns with this deal. The risk is small and the potential payoff is much greater.

[dav7z]

oj mayo is convinced he is a pg though. plus minni is not giving up three for 9 and 13


We addressing all our needs 1st Jack he averages over nine points a game and three assist as a back up to Steve Blake. He should have he ability to back up felton at a bargin price.
2nd Frye is averaging over 13 points a game playing out of position . Playing a lot at the three. If he played the four his production should go up. Plus he has the ability to guard the wings somthing we havn't had
Toghter thats 22ppg more than Crash averages And we over loaded at the three . Another thing how many more hits can Crash take.
Next draft Debth this allow us to be the deapest Bobcat team ever. Mayo would be great but with Gordon Westbrook Randolph and even Green all will be quility players or even Love, Remenber we get two of those picks plus the 38th pick . Its no way we don't become a deeper team .
Next Contracts with both players at bargin prices we can be come active in the free agent market in 2010 Wade and James.

Next Wallace and Rich on the court at the same time don't produce . We even seemed to play better at the end of the year with out Wallace and Carroll starting.At least a better winning percentage EXPLAIN THAT ONE.
Looking at all factors we losing a duplictated player and filling most of the teams needs.

[ohara831]

Have to Rep you up for that dav7z. Wrapped it all up in a nice neat package and I for one agree.

[Keetch]

I don't care for the trade much....even with the suggested Mayo deal it leaves us with Okafor and a whole bunch of mediocre talent up front.

Playing JRich at SF works for spot duty, but gives us a defensive match up problem against a lot of lineups.

I'm not really that keen on trading Wallace. I think he gives us very excellant talent at the 3. For the future I'm still down with Felts, JRich, Wallace, an unknown PF and Okafor. If May can play thats a huge bonus.

I see no reason to trade a player of Wallace's caliber at the 3 to fill the 4 spot with mediocrity.

[spectre]

If I'm not mistaken the team who's giving up the best player almost always lose the trade...and I don't think this one is any different.

Jack is a role player. He doesn't have good court vision and he's slow. He absolutely sucks in a fast paced offense.

Frye has shown a tendancy to injury (in NY they called him "Charmin") and some consider him afraid of contact.

I read thru that thread Dav, and it basically reinforces what everyone on RealGM have been saying for the past year; Portland fans have surpassed the Raptor fans as being the biggest homers on the site.

Those idiots wanted our frigging lottery pick for Frye and Jack initially.

No to the trade.

[MattD]

We addressing all our needs 1st Jack he averages over nine points a game and three assist as a back up to Steve Blake. He should have he ability to back up felton at a bargin price.
2nd Frye is averaging over 13 points a game playing out of position . Playing a lot at the three. If he played the four his production should go up. Plus he has the ability to guard the wings somthing we havn't had
Toghter thats 22ppg more than Crash averages And we over loaded at the three . Another thing how many more hits can Crash take.
Next draft Debth this allow us to be the deapest Bobcat team ever. Mayo would be great but with Gordon Westbrook Randolph and even Green all will be quility players or even Love, Remenber we get two of those picks plus the 38th pick . Its no way we don't become a deeper team .
Next Contracts with both players at bargin prices we can be come active in the free agent market in 2010 Wade and James.

Next Wallace and Rich on the court at the same time don't produce . We even seemed to play better at the end of the year with out Wallace and Carroll starting.At least a better winning percentage EXPLAIN THAT ONE.
Looking at all factors we losing a duplictated player and filling most of the teams needs.

first off, everyone on this board should know, adding up points ppg on different teams to say well together they score more then 22 where as crash scores 20 doesnt answer the question of whether or not its a good trade.

Ok, now that that ones off my chest, lets look at what you said. "1st Jack he averages over nine points a game and three assist as a back up to Steve Blake"

He averaged over 27.1 mpg, so really he isnt "just a backup" but he was on the floor for a large % of the game. Among that, his shooting % isnt very good, 2% higher then rays actually, and he is about 2-1 turnover to assist. Ok, fine. He is decent. An ok backup PG statistically, but he is a bone head. Portland fans hated his decision making. So we get a backup deviod of basketball iq. I personally would rather my backups have less skill and more bball iq but hey.

Alright so whatever, still want to do this lets look at the other person who we are receiving. He did not actually average a thrilling 13 ppg, he averaged 6.8 ppg and 4 rpg.

WOW! He was decent in New York, so I wont immediately kill on his offense which has become quite awful, but seriously have you watched his defense? Its soft. perimeter maybe, but not well, and his feet arent that quick. Hes like emeka in that he has a world of interests outside of basketball. He isnt zoned in and intense like others can be. But like they say, hes got potential to find a role and fit in well. As of now, he isnt worth an established player like gerald.

And then we pick up 13. To who ever says 9+13 for 3. Your out of your f***ing mind. Lets turn the tables, would you do it if we had the three? Ok. So now we do get some more depth, but the depth comes as players who have "potential" or need time to work it out.

Larry Brown said that he is focused on teaching this team on how to play the right way, but that doesnt mean we should load up a team full of rookies and younger guys with "potential" for one of our best players and the player with maybe the most value on our team

[dav7z]

Ok i get it we want to keep Wallace .LOL.
OK then Try this Bobcats in Frye and the 13th pick.
Bobcats out the ninth pick.
I don't see muck risk hear unless we just fall in love with a player.

Your thoughts........

[MattD]

its not that i am not open to moving wallace, he does stagnate our offense a bit (then again what offense?) but we better get good value, and I do not like that deal

[MattD]

as far as 9 for frye and 13, I would do it in a second. No second thoughts. But Portland sees that "potential" in him and probably wont be giving him up that easily

[dav7z]

Acording to Portland management they wanting to do a packege deal.
With Jack , Frye , Outlaw and the 13th pick . To pick up a very good small foward.
Wallace and his contract is one of the most favorable in the league. We may be able to trim some fat if we added other players but i don't know of any fat to trim.
If Outlaw has good value we might get into a three way trade thet would benefit us more. Matt, Spectra, Slam , Ohara . Mustashio your thoughts.

[TheBeagle]

Next Wallace and Rich on the court at the same time don't produce . We even seemed to play better at the end of the year with out Wallace and Carroll starting.At least a better winning percentage EXPLAIN THAT ONE.
Looking at all factors we losing a duplictated player and filling most of the teams needs.
That's a myth that just needs to go away. I think they play great off each other. How many assists did GW rack up by taking the ball at the top of the key and dish to a slashing JRich for an easy dunk or lay-in? Many, many times. Crash carried this damn team the first two plus months of the season while Jason was getting acclimated and shooting for shit; and when he started to come around, Gerald had the foot injury, and was never totally the same after that, especially after the concussion. I argue we've never seen both of them together at their best, but even then, when JRich started to get it, they had a really nice synergy.

Also, the winning percentage was so slight, it's not even worth mentioning; I did the math for it on a thread before the season finale, and we were slight percentage points better with Crash in the lineup than without, and with a win against Philly to close out the season, we finished with a slightly better percentage without than with.

It may turn into an issue this year, but it was a complete non-issue last year, and a myth that I'm tired of seeing propogated, and one that desperately needs debunking.

[mrtarheel]

What if the trade was for Morrison and #9 instead of Crash for Frye, Jack and #13. Then we trade #13 and Harrington (expiring) to the Bucks for Charlie V. Our lineup would be

Ray / Jack
Rich / Carroll
Wallace / Dudley
Charlie V / Frye / May / Davidson
Okafor / Nazr / Hollins

Maybe sign Gerald Green for some time at sg or sf. Our either we could try trading walllace for a sg. and a pick. I like the trade for jack and frye because it brings us depth. You know how the injury bug gets us and with this we have players that could come in and play. Maybe even trade wallace to the clippers for Maggette. That line up then we be special


Ray / Jack / free agent signing (brown from our summer league last year
Maggette / Carroll / green
Rich / dudley
charlie v / frye / may / davidson
okafor / nazr / hollins