Draft workouts day 2

[dav7z]

The second day of draft work outs with Green leading the way.
I kinda get a feeling we trading down ?

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/2008_draft_workouts_day2.html


With all the small Fowards coming in and mid first two sceond round players coming in . Im starting to look for a draft day trade more and more . Im starting to think Crash is being traded . Thease players and the positions they play just seem like somthing is up.Your THOUGHTS????

[ohara831]

Very very interesting. Alexander and Greene are spoken of as going around the #13 area, but I have seen Alexander up as high as #8 recently, and Greene more around that #13 area. I say #13 as that is .........PORTLAND.

Is this the trade many have discussed with Portland. Crash for Frye, Jack and #13? If we add Jack as a backup PG, land Frye in case May is history, and get #13 also, that is not horrible in my opinion. If we have both #9 and #13, I'm happy with either drafting there, or trading both to move up to get Mayo if we can get him at #5. But I am not sure that Mayo would not be overkill if we already had Jack in camp as the backup PG. Mayo would not get many minutes just backing up J-Rich.

Not positive what is meant with Greene and Alexander coming in, but I agree it smells of a trade coming down the pipes and Crash being the one we send. Could it be with someone else other than Portland?

[ohara831]

Sac may be moving Artest and #12, or Pho may be moving #15. 2 other possibilities.

[Keetch]

I found the workout group today a little unsettling. If we're trading down, I sure hope its for a lot more than Frye/Jack. Those 2 guys dont inspire me at all. Its like taking other teams throw-offs. Now Rodriguez or Fernandez would be more interesting; but I wouldnt give up #9 for them for either for sure.

Don't know whats going on on Bobcats Blvd. They're talking to the wrong people.

[dav7z]

As far as i can tell we haven't even worked out a P/F OR center so far. I think we trading down and we all ready got power foward set? It kinda looks as if the ninth pick is part of the deal too and from looking at all the wings and points Crash is part of a trade too.
THOUGHTS?
first work out.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/2008_draft_workouts_day1.html

I don't think we have even come close to working out a top ten player so far .
All this is very instering to me .

What's our move or am i reading to much into nothing.

[ziggy]

As far as i can tell we haven't even worked out a P/F OR center so far. I think we trading down and we all ready got power foward set? It kinda looks as if the ninth pick is part of the deal too and from looking at all the wings and points Crash is part of a trade too.
THOUGHTS?
first work out.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/2008_draft_workouts_day1.html

I don't think we have even come close to working out a top ten player so far .
All this is very instering to me .

What's our move or am i reading to much into nothing.

Dave, I think you may have a valid point:g:
Does anyone else know if we have any of the big men scheduled to work out? The Anthony Randolph or DeAndre Jordan types ?

[spectre]

If it was a trade with POR I think it'd be more swapping picks for Frye and/or Jack...I sure hope Crash isn't involved in that. That'd basically be giving him up for a 9th pick and he has much more value IMO.

They're going to that big 20 player 7 team (give or take) thing GSW is putting on, and I think that's this week. More than likely they're just checking everyone out that could be a possibility...covering the bases.

[ohara831]

Spectre: For some reason, I thought the talk was Frye, Jack and #13 for Crash. I didn't think off hand that we were adding #9 with it. I was thinking we'd have #9 and #13 after the trade, and either use them both, or combine them to move up to #5-#6 to try and grab Mayo, Bayless or Gordon.

[spectre]

There was some talk on the RealGM boards a couple weeks ago (month?) where POR fans said they'd give up Frye AND Jack for a pick swap...we talked about it on here.

If they'd do that, then the difference between is we keep our pick and send out Crash. I know the "hope" is to possibly trade up and get Mayo (you know I'd be against it for anyone else!), but you'd have to get some ducks in line before you can make that leap.

BTW, chk your PM.

[Mustachio]

Spectre: For some reason, I thought the talk was Frye, Jack and #13 for Crash. I didn't think off hand that we were adding #9 with it. I was thinking we'd have #9 and #13 after the trade, and either use them both, or combine them to move up to #5-#6 to try and grab Mayo, Bayless or Gordon.


us talking about trades here and on realgm is a far cry from them actually happening. no one in the organization has said anything about a trade to Portland.

but i agree that who they have brought in so far is a little fishy... but lets think about it.

more than likely it just a situation where the organization is trying to be thorough. dont want anything to slip by and you wanna work out as many kids as possible so that your ready on draft day for whatever may come your way.

So say that trade with Portland you want to happen happens... then we have seen Joe Alexander play and know what he could do here. that goes with everything else that happens on draft day or before... we know what our options are...because we have put our hands on them.

I also don't think they would make it this obvious. We are probably reading too much into it... but i agree it does seem a little fishy.

[ohara831]

I can see the argument for Joe Alexander. He is a beast of an athlete and could easily sneak into the top 10. But the Donte Greene one is what makes me wonder a bit. He went from being talked about as a Top 10 to being very late lottery to the early 20's range.

Thanks for the info Spectre!

[dav7z]

If it was a trade with POR I think it'd be more swapping picks for Frye and/or Jack...I sure hope Crash isn't involved in that. That'd basically be giving him up for a 9th pick and he has much more value IMO.

They're going to that big 20 player 7 team (give or take) thing GSW is putting on, and I think that's this week. More than likely they're just checking everyone out that could be a possibility...covering the bases.

Im not saying Portland is who we talking to and Frye and Jack are the trade talks .
But Spectra hears a question for you . I respect your openion . Does it not look like due to the work outs so far . We in some kind of trade talks for Wallace and our ninth pick ?

[spectre]

Im not saying Portland is who we talking to and Frye and Jack are the trade talks .
But Spectra hears a question for you . I respect your openion . Does it not look like due to the work outs so far . We in some kind of trade talks for Wallace and our ninth pick ?

I've long suspected that we're going to trade Crash for a vet PF...in fact I have a "heard it here first" kind of bet with Slam...Crash for Odom. To me it makes all kinds of sense BB wise, and you know Kupchak/Brown/Jordan would work with each other.

So yeah, I could see them taking SF with the 9th and a backup/combo with the 2nd rounder.

BTW, I know you didn't about POR. My stance in general so far as trades...esp. this summer...is to upgrade QUALITY and not trade for QUANTITY. I've pretty much shot every trade down so far on all the boards if we're not getting the best overall player in the deal (or at least equal), and I'm not giving any pluses for draft picks either unless it's top 3.

We have a good strong core that should have made the playoffs last year. With Larry Brown I think it's a lock this year barring some unforseen calamity. We need to make some moves, but we don't need to downgrade in individual talent.

[ohara831]

I went to the Trade Checker at ESPN. Tried to find any way to make an Odom for Crash deal to work, and I cannot find a way. Too many TR involved with the players who could make it work $-wise. Now, if Bynum was added in, it could be done! But alas, I dont see Bynum being shipped now, even with Pao Gasol there. I think they plan to play Bynum at C and Gasol at PF. I couldn't even get Farmar into the mix $-wise. And the Lakers dont have any 1st round picks coming up due to the Gasol deal.

[spectre]

I went to the Trade Checker at ESPN. Tried to find any way to make an Odom for Crash deal to work, and I cannot find a way. Too many TR involved with the players who could make it work $-wise. Now, if Bynum was added in, it could be done! But alas, I dont see Bynum being shipped now, even with Pao Gasol there. I think they plan to play Bynum at C and Gasol at PF. I couldn't even get Farmar into the mix $-wise. And the Lakers dont have any 1st round picks coming up due to the Gasol deal.

That's because the trade checker is taking Crash's BYC status into account. It expires June 30th and then we'll be able to take back his entire salary. We're within a million bucks (Odom's salary x 0.8...the 125% thing), which could easily be fixed by adding Hollins in.

[ohara831]

Thank you , oh wise one! I am enlightened.

Doesn't the whole "Odom was confused" stuff give you reason to pause? The guy was benched in the 4th when they made that stirring comback which fell a little short. He did not even put up an argument when Phil Jackson made the comment. I wonder if there is something not right with him? I'd hate to make that trade with Crash for someone who turned out to have some issue only now coming to light.

[spectre]

Thank you , oh wise one! I am enlightened.

Doesn't the whole "Odom was confused" stuff give you reason to pause? The guy was benched in the 4th when they made that stirring comback which fell a little short. He did not even put up an argument when Phil Jackson made the comment. I wonder if there is something not right with him? I'd hate to make that trade with Crash for someone who turned out to have some issue only now coming to light.

I've seen the headlines on the Wiretap, but honestly I've not caught one game of the finals. It does sound as if he's struggling though.

Eh...he's been solid for the last few years and for most of this season. He fills our need, and Crash would fill theirs. I see it kind of like the GSW deal last year in that both teams gain advantage out of it.

More than likely before we hit where the Lakers are now he'll be somewhere else or retired anyway.

On the bright side, if he's struggling now maybe LAL would be willing to throw in an incentive...like Farmar!

[ohara831]

I'd love Farmar in as part of a deal. But with Fisher being 33 and showing his age now with Rhondo getting the best of him, I think Farmar is their starting PG real soon.

Honestly, of all the deals we have talked about, the two to me which seem to have the most promise for Charlotte are :

Crash and #9 for the pick to get Mayo and

Crash, Nazr, May, and #9 for Boozer, Brewer and #23

Another factor playing into things is Miami's view on Mayo. It could be a game to draw trade attention, but this whole think with Wade and Mayo, and Miami being infatuated with those two as a SG and SF team, it is more and more likely that Mayo is gone at #2 and Beasley falls to #3. Would it ever be nice to see if MJ can find a way to take advantage of McHale's draft mistakes and try and snag Beasley!

[dav7z]

I have been thinking all day about us coming up with Elton Brand. I think he would be perfect for the Bobcats.
Just asking would you or can we make the money work in a sign and trade with the Clippers. Im thinking Mcgette is gone for sure so the Clippers could use a three.
Somthing like this
Crash, Morrison and our ninth pick. For Brand.S+Tsure he would love to get out of Clipper land All so Carroll and our 2009 first for Childeress
That leaves us with no first so we looking like this. And that would explain the draft picks we have been looking at.

Trade Carroll and add May for money reasons
1. Felton ,
2. J RICH.
3. Childress, Dudley second round pick
4. Brand, Davidson May
5. Okafor Nazz, Hollins

We use our MLE and two vetran mimium contracts two finish the roster. And a undrafted rookie.
If that could be done we win a champion ship

[spectre]

Ohara, Dav...I like all those deals (I actually prefer them all over my Odom idea) and would love for them to happen. I just see the Odom/Crash swap as most realistic.

Hope you guys are right tho!

[dav7z]

Somthing like this
Felton = 4.148
Rich= 12.222
Dudley=1.222
Okafor=12.000 six years 72 million
Childerss=5.000 Carroll, and 2009 first sign and trade six years 42 milion
Nazz= 6.444
Hollins= 1.000
Davidson=1.000
Brand = 13.000 Wallace and Morrison and our 2008 first . Five years starting at 13 s+t
May=2.222
58 milion thair. Thats close to max soft cap
Then we finish the roster with undrafted players and vetran mimiums , Not to exceed four million. Including our second round pick
Could it be done ? It might could money wize but we comited for a long time.
THOUGHTS

[dav7z]

Ohara, Dav...I like all those deals (I actually prefer them all over my Odom idea) and would love for them to happen. I just see the Odom/Crash swap as most realistic.

Hope you guys are right tho!

Just going crazy dreaming . Like the little kid says in Angles in the outfield says [it could happen] lol

[ohara831]

I might be suffering from brain farts, but I am lost on who you mean by Childers?

[dav7z]

I might be suffering from brain farts, but I am lost on who you mean by Childers?
Damn im a old man and can't spell either, Josh Childress Atlanta

[Muttley]

Has anyone been able to find a schedule for workouts anywhere?

I've seen the one on DraftExpress, but it's incomplete and not regularly updated. Neither Bobcats.com nor Ricky-B are providing any information on who we've got scheduled to work with Coach Brown. Are we just not going to be told until after the fact?

Perhaps they're trying to hide the fact that they're not planning on working out any PFs or Cs at all.

[Mustachio]

Has anyone been able to find a schedule for workouts anywhere?

I've seen the one on DraftExpress, but it's incomplete and not regularly updated. Neither Bobcats.com nor Ricky-B are providing any information on who we've got scheduled to work with Coach Brown. Are we just not going to be told until after the fact?

Perhaps they're trying to hide the fact that they're not planning on working out any PFs or Cs at all.


personally... id rather find out after they got worked out or even better...after the draft.

I want everything they do at 333 Trade to be top secret. If we as fans can find out who is working out and who we might be interested in... So can any other NBA exec. the less that gets out there... the better. I like my offseasons, like i like my NBA road game pregnancies....hidden from the public. one it makes our Front office jobs a lot easier and it makes for more fan speculation that doesnt mean anything but is fun.

there are 29 other teams out there trying to beat us. I dont think we should give them a head start.

[Muttley]

I can understand that.

btw, mustachio, your avatar should be one of Ziggy's t-shirts.

[Mustachio]

I can understand that.

btw, mustachio, your avatar should be one of Ziggy's t-shirts.


thanks. im suprised you could read it. If you couldnt tell I'm a master photoshopist.

[dav7z]

Some of the small market teams are getting screwed by players refusing to work out . Somthing needs to be done about that kinda junk

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Workouts,-Trade-Rumors-Heat-Up-2915/

[Icky Thump]

DUDE!!!!!!!!!! WTF? Why can't we be rumored to be doing this kind of stuff.....




-The Indiana Pacers are trying to dangle the #11 pick in hopes of being able to package it with one of their ugly contracts (preferably Jermaine O’Neal). There is talk out of O’Neal’s camp that he anticipates being trade to Cleveland at some point this summer, possibly in a deal involving expiring contracts such as Wally Szczerbiak and Eric Snow.

The Pacers don’t want to give O’Neal away for nothing, but the temptation of shedding his 23 million dollar contract from their cap figure (giving them substantial cap space to work with in July of 2009) may be too great to pass up. On Cleveland’s end, it makes sense for their ownership to spend the money it will take to try and appease LeBron James and show them they are making the efforts to put together a championship caliber team. We’ve heard rumblings about this Cleveland/Indiana trade from a number of well-informed sources, so there appears to be at least some truth to it.



"One trade that is making the rounds would involve the Knicks sending Zach Randolph and the rights to the #6 pick to Philadelphia for a smaller contract, such as Reggie Evans, and the rights to the #16 pick—after July 1st (when Philadelphia’s cap space kicks in). New York would move into position to have significant cap space in the summer of 2010 (possibly to make a run at LeBron James) by unloading the 17.3 million dollars owed to Randolph in 2010/11, and would still be able to keep David Lee around.

Philadelphia would fill a big void at power forward with a 20 point per game scorer in Zach Randolph, and possibly pick up one of Jerryd Bayless, O.J. Mayo or Eric Gordon in the process, while only sacrificing the 8-9 million dollars they are expected to have in cap space, which likely wouldn’t get them very far anyway.


Getting O'Neal and the #11 or Randolph and the #6 in similar deals for us would be pretty good IMO. I know these type deals have been discussed and I realize that both O'Neal and Randolph have huge contracts and issues BUT these type deals are things that really could catapult us up in the league IF it worked out. Yes I know its a large risk but we wouldn't have to really give up much it appears and would come away on the plus side draft wise and potential playmaker (although with issues).

[Mustachio]

DUDE!!!!!!!!!! WTF? Why can't we be rumored to be doing this kind of stuff.....




Getting O'Neal and the #11 or Randolph and the #6 in similar deals for us would be pretty good IMO. I know these type deals have been discussed and I realize that both O'Neal and Randolph have huge contracts and issues BUT these type deals are things that really could catapult us up in the league IF it worked out. Yes I know its a large risk but we wouldn't have to really give up much it appears and would come away on the plus side draft wise and potential playmaker (although with issues).

dude that pisses me off.


Send our #9 Harrington and Matt Carroll to Indy for JO if thats all they are asking for !!! jesus that makes me mad to think that cleveland, LA and Boston could rack up with ridiculous deals like that.

*edit) oops, i forgot Matt Carroll's contract sucks.

Send #9, Harrington and May. for the #11 and JO. thats better than what Cleveland offered. It gives them an expiring, a better draft pick, and it gives them May (who is from Indiana i think) who could be a very servicable power forward if healthy. Its way better than Clevelands offer and better than nothing.

[Mustachio]

ok scratch all that... just saw on ESPN that the Cavs/Pacers deal isnt an option. sounded to easy to be true.

could be a deal..but not for the rumored Wally/Snow .

[iggypop123]

I've seen the headlines on the Wiretap, but honestly I've not caught one game of the finals. It does sound as if he's struggling though.

Eh...he's been solid for the last few years and for most of this season. He fills our need, and Crash would fill theirs. I see it kind of like the GSW deal last year in that both teams gain advantage out of it.

More than likely before we hit where the Lakers are now he'll be somewhere else or retired anyway.

On the bright side, if he's struggling now maybe LAL would be willing to throw in an incentive...like Farmar!

farmar? why do you guys need farmar. felton is pretty damn good. if healthy doesnt he average 9 assists and get 17 points. farmar would rot in the bench. memphis 2nd rounder is a better option. odom's struggles could be cause in a wiretap from realgm i saw he could be battling knee tendenitis. maybe thats it

[spectre]

I said that somewhat in jest as I doubt LAL gives up Farmar (they're a little tight on PG rotations as well), but we do only have 1 PG signed so that will have to be addressed.

I do agree though that a pure PG won't get a lot of burn...that's why I've long advocated bringing in a combo guard (optimally a strong defensive guard) so he can get some time at the 2 as well.