How can we move back and get Hibbert

[dav7z]

After watching Larry Brown and seeing some of Hibbert working out . Im convinced i would take Hibbert over Lopez or even Love for the Bobcats . He's got that mid range jumper , hes great on the pick and rolls. At 7.2 and his wing span hes going to be a force in the middle . I would love to move back a little some way and still get him .Most mocks have him at about 23rd . If we could get him and another player for a Lopez or a Westbrook . Or even another pick it might be worth doing . I feel he's good fit for the Bobcats.

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How could we land Hibbert and somthing else or would any of you other guys think Hibbert is a good pick .
Thoughts on Hibbert and how could this be done????

[dnbman]

The ideal scenario would be us trading down with NJ, swapping their two first rounders for our one. I'm not sure what we could give them to make it work, but that would be perfect. We could possibly walk out of there with Westbrook and Hibbert.

The big problem is that Galinari has said he won't play unless it's for a big club, including NJ. So, if he's available at our pick, NJ would probably call our bluff if that's their pick.

Phoenix's pick would be nice, but I'm not sure they want to part with it this year. I'm not seeing too many opportunities to pick up a pick without losing our 9, and I wouldn't want to do that for Hibbert unless we were getting a quality vet to go with him.

[ziggy]

I'm a Hibbert fan, so I'd be all for moving back to pick up Roy. He'll never, ever be a world class athlete but he is fundamentally sound, an excellent passer and you can't teach 7'2" & 280 pounds.

[dnbman]

badger, badger, badger, badger....

[timang]

where do you think will he land and what teams should we be trading down to? IMO, if love's gonna be out by the 9th then hibbert will be fine to trade down for.

[dnbman]

where do you think will he land and what teams should we be trading down to? IMO, if love's gonna be out by the 9th then hibbert will be fine to trade down for.

He'll definitely be gone by Utah's pick, me thinks! I think we're going to have to get a top 20 pick to get him. With the talent so close, I wouldn't be surprised if we just picked him at 9 if that's the guy we want. Somewhere 16-19 looks perfect for us, as we'd be sure to get one of Speights, Hibbert, Koufas, Arthur, or a guard that has not business still being on the board.

One other possibility in the realm of conspiracy: we're working a trade for Jamison that would have us swap picks with Washington. The bad part: Crash would be on the way out.

[Mustachio]

i can't figure out for the life of me... why in the world everyone here is on the Jamison bandwagon again.

I don't see how Jamison makes this team that much better, and even if he does how long can he do it and how much would we have to pay him.

Id rather stick with Davidson and see what he develops into. then just draft the BPA at 9

as far as Crash and number 9 for Jamison and 18 ILL PASS! we lose a younger better player and a better contract for a later draft prospect and an older on the end of his career SF/PF combo.

[dnbman]

i can't figure out for the life of me... why in the world everyone here is on the Jamison bandwagon again.

I don't see how Jamison makes this team that much better, and even if he does how long can he do it and how much would we have to pay him.

Id rather stick with Davidson and see what he develops into. then just draft the BPA at 9

as far as Crash and number 9 for Jamison and 18 ILL PASS! we lose a younger better player and a better contract for a later draft prospect and an older on the end of his career SF/PF combo.

I'm not on the Jamison bandwagon. I'd love to pick him up as an FA, but not trade for him.

However, since there have been so many faux-trades posted, I figured I'd run with one.

[Mustachio]

I'm not on the Jamison bandwagon. I'd love to pick him up as an FA, but not trade for him.

However, since there have been so many faux-trades posted, I figured I'd run with one.


yes picking up Jamison on the free market is one thing.


trading Crash for Jamison is just crazy i think.

[dav7z]

i can't figure out for the life of me... why in the world everyone here is on the Jamison bandwagon again.

I don't see how Jamison makes this team that much better, and even if he does how long can he do it and how much would we have to pay him.

Id rather stick with Davidson and see what he develops into. then just draft the BPA at 9

as far as Crash and number 9 for Jamison and 18 ILL PASS! we lose a younger better player and a better contract for a later draft prospect and an older on the end of his career SF/PF combo.

If he wasn't from Carolina you would more than happy to trade. Crash a better player ,Crash has never had the numbers Jamison has got even last year . Crash can't play the same amount of games in a year as Jamison never has. Chash is one hit in the head from being done . Jamison has four or five years left. You would rather play Davidson? Where do get that reasoning makes no sence at all? If you stick with Davidson five years from now you will be saying we might make the playoffs next year?
That said we would become a better team right away trading for Jamison , More rebounds better shot selection higher shot percentage , Much better out side shooting.Team balance.
Can defend the four close to and away from the basket. And if Jamison signed a four year deal at ten milion a year i would jump all over it. Don't let him being a Carolina guy alter your judgement. Thats whats happing hear it has to be?

[Mustachio]

If he wasn't from Carolina you would more than happy to trade. Crash a better player ,Crash has never had the numbers Jamison has got even last year . Crash can't play the same amount of games in a year as Jamison never has. Chash is one hit in the head from being done . Jamison has four or five years left. You would rather play Davidson? Where do get that reasoning makes no sence at all? If you stick with Davidson five years from now you will be saying we might make the playoffs next year?
That said we would become a better team right away trading for Jamison , More rebounds better shot selection higher shot percentage , Much better out side shooting.Team balance.
Can defend the four close to and away from the basket. And if Jamison signed a four year deal at ten milion a year i would jump all over it. Don't let him being a Carolina guy alter your judgement. Thats whats happing hear it has to be?


Is him being a Carolina guy altering your judgment?

I know Jamison is a good player. but he isn't the piece that takes us to the top by any stretch of the imagination. He might help us make the playoffs... but most people expect that to happen with our current crop anyway. So I dont see the advantage of paying for his services while losing Crash and the potential lottery talent at number 9.

This team is in desperate need of a PF. and I dont think the answer lies with a 32 year old 6'-9" SF/PF combo who has had an above average to less than spectacular NBA career. and as far as injuries go. Gerald has averaged 65 games per year for the Bobcats which is only 6 games a year less than Antwan has averaged for his career.

Crash plays primarily SF and is 25 and avgs 19.4 pts, 6 rebs, 4 ass, 2 steals and 1 block over his career.

Jamison plays SF/PF is 32 avgs 21.4 pts, 10 rebs, .4 blocks 1.3 steals.

Crash is by the numbers a better defender, and an above average rebounder for a guy who rarely plays PF. while averaging a minimal 2 points per game less. he is younger and has a better contract and is locked up for awhile... meanwhile when we get Jamison we also have to do his contract and who knows what he wants after a faux all star year.

It's just that my idea of building a championship basketball team doesn't include getting better in one area while dropping off in another. Ideally you wanna get better everywhere... and if you bring in a younger PF you have the chance to continually get better where as a 32 year old has maybe 3 years left IF THAT. not many guys play past there mid 30's.

my philosophy (and its just mine it doesnt mean anything really) is to build young, keep the talent you have and add peices at the best possible time. I think the Bobcats are trying this method and I dont think adding Jamison fits this mold.

[dav7z]

In your first statment you said you would pass on Jamison . In your next post you compare the numbers in whitch Crash is beat in all most ever stat .You didn't say any thing about shooting percentage in the stats either. Another thing you say is Crash plays six less games a year due to injery . That could be the differance of playoffs or not . You say Crash is a good rebounder as a p/f whitch i don't see him playing any more. But siill he averages four less rebounds per game thats big. Two points per game is not much but experiance and a few buzzer beaters can put you in the play offs.
Health ,Crash is just one hard hit in the head and he's done for good. More than likely it will happen with in the next two years the way he plays . Yes Jamison don't have but about four years left but his chances of lasting longer than Crash is hudge.

As far as defending Crash is much better at s/f but can't man up on the block near as well as Jamison. So if we just comparing stats and players and players health Jamisom is better hands down. But not a lot.

Now saying that to say this . I would not offer Jamison a hudge contract for five years.
Im talking no more than four years at ten mil per year. As far as including a switch in draft picks the wizzards would have two add somthing to the pot to make it work. Player or somthing.

I wouldn't mind doing somthing like this if money could be worked out.
out
Felton, Crash, Nazz, Harrington , and the ninth pick
In
Arenas, Jamison, Blatche, sign +trade and the Wizzards first round pick.

Then we look like
Arenas
Rich
Dudley
Jamison
OK50.
Bench of , Carroll, Morrison, May, Blatche,draft Hibbert with the first rounder,

[dvdbumpus]

Please, I'd rather aim high and go for gold and get Brand. Hibbert will likely go to Cleveland or Utah.