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[ohara831]

Ran acrosss this article tonight. Very interesting stuff. Talks about Ajinca and how he had a great workout in Charlotte. Talks about how Randolph is kinda screwing up and looking out of shape. Really good read and it applies to us, so enjoy.


http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Who-s-Moving-Up-or-Down-2933/

[ohara831]

Here's another one. Man, he is going off on Randolph in this one. I dont pretend to understand all his PER mumbo jumbo, but if you do, and it makes sense, then it doesn't look good for Randolph. **And props to Jermareo for getting mentioned in the article!!! And no Dudley?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=DraftRater-080620&univLogin02=stateChanged&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1#

[MattD]

thats not a good thing, the way he was mentioned. It basically meant he went too high

[ohara831]

thats not a good thing, the way he was mentioned. It basically meant he went too high

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Like I said, I dont understand these numbers. Oh, well, bad job Jermareo. Then again, I'm not so sure being drafted in the middle of the 2nd has such high expectations.

[spectre]

In the other thread I mentioned that "Hollinger pegged Duds", but I should mention I didn't read that in this article. A guy on RealGM listed them from last year:



Here's a link to last years if you have insider:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=ProRater
If not, this is the relevant info from last year.
1. Kevin Durant Texas 870.7 2
2. Greg Oden Ohio State 667.9 1
3. Mike Conley Jr. Ohio State 637.9 7
4. Thaddeus Young Georgia Tech 604.2 14
5. Brandan Wright North Carolina 601.4 8
6. Al Horford Florida 601.0 3
7. Nick Fazekas Nevada 594.3 35
8. Josh McRoberts Duke 566.7 26
9. Rodney Stuckey E. Washington 557.7 16
10. Jared Dudley Boston College 542.6 31
11. Joakim Noah Florida 528.6 9
12. Glen Davis LSU 521.0 25
13. Sean Williams Boston College 511.3 20
14. Jeff Green Georgetown 505.5 6
15. Kyle Visser Wake Forest 503.5 57
16. Herbert Hill Providence 503.0 49
17. Javaris Crittenton Georgia Tech 492.2 18
18. Wilson Chandler DePaul 483.1 30
19. Julian Wright Kansas 481.4 11
20. Daequan Cook Ohio State 470.0 27
21. D.J. Strawberry Maryland 465.5 52
22. Jason Smith Colorado State 464.9 17
23. Alando Tucker Wisconsin 464.3 41
24. Corey Brewer Florida 462.4 5
25. Al Thornton Florida State 447.8 10
26. Marcus Williams Arizona 445.8 33
27. Acie Law Texas A&M 445.2 15
28. Aaron Gray Pittsburgh 440.5 38
29. Zabian Dowdell Virginia Tech 438.2 34
30. Spencer Hawes Washington 433.9 12
Other notables
Morris Almond Rice 425.6 22
Derrick Byars Vanderbilt 421.9 28
Gabe Pruitt USC 421.0 21
Nick Young USC 383.8 13
Taurean Green Florida 350.4 39
Arron Afflalo UCLA 336.1 32
Ramon Sessions Nevada 334.7 37
I think the breakdown was 600+=potential superstar
+500=very unlikely to bust
-500=potential bust
In looking over the article from a year ago, he seems to take this years version more seriously, but I think that's because there were only really 3 things that you could learn from it. I really look forward to seeing Monday's article.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=793856&start=165

[ohara831]

Here is another mentioning of Crash being openly marketed. Dont know if it has been posted before somewhere else on the Boards. If so, I apologize for being redundant.


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53111/20080621/report_detroits_prince_on_the_trade_market/

[ohara831]

So, we would be moving Crash for Josh Howard, and moving back from #9 to #15. I dont know enough about Howard's skill set to know if this is something which would benefit the Bobcats. For those of you who do know much more about Howard's game, would we be better with Josh Howard vs Crash? Enough to warrant moving back 6 spots? We could grab Ajinca, JJ Hickson or Hibbard there without it being a big reach. Give me some imput on Howard guys.


http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2008/06/detroit_pistons_are_in_the_mix.html

[ohara831]

I linked it on the Mock Draft Thread also, but it belongs here, too. Dont see this kid getting drafted in the 1st round now. He would have last year had he not pulled out. Too bad. Hope he gets good medical advice, and if he needs to stop playing, listen to the doctors. Dont need anything else like Hank Gathers or what happened to the Boston Celtics with I think it was Reggie Lewis?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3454367

[Slam]

I wouldn't trade Crash for Howard stright up, let alone move backwards in the draft to do so.

[ohara831]

I wouldn't trade Crash for Howard stright up, let alone move backwards in the draft to do so.

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I was wondering why Chad Ford put that trade out there. I thought I was missing something about Howard that made him more special than I was thinking. Guess he just likes the idea of screwing us over.

[Muttley]

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I was wondering why Chad Ford put that trade out there. I thought I was missing something about Howard that made him more special than I was thinking. Guess he just likes the idea of screwing us over.

Which is why he says we'll be drafting Lopez and moving Oak to PF.

He probably just doesn't pay any attention to us.

[countryboi]

So, we would be moving Crash for Josh Howard, and moving back from #9 to #15. I dont know enough about Howard's skill set to know if this is something which would benefit the Bobcats. For those of you who do know much more about Howard's game, would we be better with Josh Howard vs Crash? Enough to warrant moving back 6 spots? We could grab Ajinca, JJ Hickson or Hibbard there without it being a big reach. Give me some imput on Howard guys.


http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2008/06/detroit_pistons_are_in_the_mix.html

man what the hell that trade is worst than the trades on realgm...why would we trade for howard when he is the same type of player as wallace he brings nothing new to the table..he cant shoot either and is not near the defender and then we move back to 15?
for this trade to work i need barbosa...or the 6th pick...shit really both

[Jonathanmartin7]

Howard G GS MPG fg% 3PT OR DR RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
07-08 season 76 -76 36.3 45% 31.9 1.6 5.4 7.0 2.2 0.8 0.4 1.5 2.7 19.9
Wallace
07-08 season G GS MPG FG% 3PT OR DR RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
62 59 38.3 44.9 32.1 0.9 5.1 6.0 3.5 2.1 0.9 2.9 3.0 19.4




Both players are almost even in fg%,3pt%. Howard averages 1more board, 1 less steal and assist. But doesn't turn the ball over near as much. and Hits his free throws.

Oh, wallace is also always injured. Howard missed 47 games in the last 4 seasons, wallace has missed 70.

I'd trade them straight up and be happy, but the swapping picks would depend on how many big guys have fallen. If Jordan is going that far down or Hibbert then I'd say we have the best of the deal.

[Jonathanmartin7]

man what the hell that trade is worst than the trades on realgm...why would we trade for howard when he is the same type of player as wallace he brings nothing new to the table..he cant shoot either and is not near the defender and then we move back to 15?
for this trade to work i need barbosa...or the 6th pick...shit really both

The reason I'd trade for him is that he's the same player except that he doesn't stay injured. Every time Wallace hits the floor I think they are going to have to get the strecher out to carry him off the court.

[TheBeagle]

So, we would be moving Crash for Josh Howard, and moving back from #9 to #15. I dont know enough about Howard's skill set to know if this is something which would benefit the Bobcats. For those of you who do know much more about Howard's game, would we be better with Josh Howard vs Crash? Enough to warrant moving back 6 spots? We could grab Ajinca, JJ Hickson or Hibbard there without it being a big reach. Give me some imput on Howard guys.


http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2008/06/detroit_pistons_are_in_the_mix.html
A bad trade straight-up; an horrific trade with the reversal of draft picks. Howard, who was born and raised up the road from me in Winston-Salem, isn't even a hometown hero there, so it's not like there would even be any buzz about the trade. He's too moody,too much of a confrontationalist, (plus he quit on Dave Odom during the end of the 2001 season at Wake)...I just don't see him fitting in with LB and the rest of the Cats...and this doesn't even speak of how he is no better of an all around player than Crash. J-Ho and Brandon Bass for Crash and the draft pick exchange, I'd consider.

[ohara831]

I agree. I was just wondering why Ford put that trade out there. I thought there might be something about Howard I was missing. Straight up trade would not be bad, but it doesn't add that much to us. But trading back in the deal is a loser. Agree that if Bass were part of the trade, trading back would not be so objectionable.

[ohara831]

A little Bonnell action. Man, judging by his comparisons, he doesn't seem to like by 3-4 guys. I think he's a little too negative. They wont all be All-Pro, but this 1st round crop wont be so bad.


http://www.charlotte.com/507/story/680960.html

[countryboi]

wow...i love to waste top 10 picks on a guy that reminds people of eric dampier...man that sucks


Brook Lopez
C, 7-foot, 260 pounds, Stanford
WHAT HE OFFERS: It's not easy to find a 7-footer with true low-post scoring skills worthy of a top-five pick. Lopez is the offensive twin among the brothers who played for Stanford. What he has right now is good for 12 points a game, and with NBA coaching his moves will expand. He's limited athletically and still needs to do more at the defensive end.
HIS GAME RESEMBLES: Eric Dampier

[Jonathanmartin7]

[quote=countryboi;91216]wow...i love to waste top 10 picks on a guy that reminds people of eric dampier...man that sucks

I'd much rather not waste a top 10 pick on Keyon Dooling. I however seem to think that he is MUCH more talented than Keyon.
PG, 6-3, 187 pounds, UCLA
WHAT HE OFFERS: The club drafting him takes a bit of a risk that he'll evolve into a true point guard, but the positives are clear. Westbrook is an excellent defender. NBA refs call more fouls on the perimeter than they once did, so Westbrook's ability to keep his feet in front of the man he's guarding is prized by coaches.
HIS GAME RESEMBLES: Keyon Dooling

[sugarfree311]

A bad trade straight-up; an horrific trade with the reversal of draft picks. Howard, who was born and raised up the road from me in Winston-Salem, isn't even a hometown hero there, so it's not like there would even be any buzz about the trade. He's too moody,too much of a confrontationalist, (plus he quit on Dave Odom during the end of the 2001 season at Wake)...I just don't see him fitting in with LB and the rest of the Cats...and this doesn't even speak of how he is no better of an all around player than Crash. J-Ho and Brandon Bass for Crash and the draft pick exchange, I'd consider.

Howard is a lot better than Gerald. Better defender, better rebounder and better teammate. He's ok being the number 2 or 3 option, where as Gerald wants to be the focus of the offense. And any team with Gerald as the main focus is going to be a horrible team.

[Keetch]

To compare Brook Lopez to Erick (with a "K" d-oh Bonnell) Dampier is absurd. Dampier is a huge guy in the paint who takes advantage of his girth to make room and fend off defenders. Watching him live, I've always thought he was a bit of a dirty player. Brook may not be hyper-athletic; but he's not freaking immobile either. Lopez DOES have length and a face up offensive game that Dampier can never even think about.

Likewise Dooling....sheesh. I think Keyon is an underrated player, but seriously, is he nearly as athletic as Westbrook?

DeAndre Jordan is compared to Antonio McDyess too :D which is freaking hysterical.

At least Bonnell tried to write something, for whatever its worth...this article is like a data dump. He offers nothing new regarding the Bobcats.

[countryboi]

Howard is a lot better than Gerald. Better defender, better rebounder and better teammate. He's ok being the number 2 or 3 option, where as Gerald wants to be the focus of the offense. And any team with Gerald as the main focus is going to be a horrible team.

Howard does not bring anything to the bobcats we dont already have...if anything wallace is better..call me when howard avgs to 2 blocks and 2 steals in a season

[Slam]

Howard does not bring anything to the bobcats we dont already have...if anything wallace is better..call me when howard avgs to 2 blocks and 2 steals in a season
Plus Crash is quite a few years younger than Howard.

[sugarfree311]

Gerald is not a better player. Josh is a better man-to-man defender and understands his role. He can step up and score when you need him to, but is more suited for a backseat role. Gerald is a guy who wants to take all the big shots, but shouldn't. And he won't accept a lesser role on this team. And the stats really don't mean that much. That block/steal stat is impressive, but it led to 26 wins. Gerald's energy was perfect when we were an expansion team playing off of pure hustle, but if we had an opportunity to trade him for Howard, it's a no-brainer.

And Josh isn't even two years older than Gerald. Plus he's been in the league 2 less years.

[Slam]

And Josh isn't even two years older than Gerald. Plus he's been in the league 2 less years.
If it was 21-23 it wouldn't be too bad, but 26-28 is very different.

[Muttley]

Gerald is a guy who wants to take all the big shots, but shouldn't. And he won't accept a lesser role on this team.

I'm not buying this. Seems to me that when he's taken those shots, he's been asked to take those shots.


but if we had an opportunity to trade him for Howard, it's a no-brainer.

... on whose part?

[TheBeagle]

Howard is a lot better than Gerald. Better defender, better rebounder and better teammate. He's ok being the number 2 or 3 option, where as Gerald wants to be the focus of the offense. And any team with Gerald as the main focus is going to be a horrible team.
Replace "Gerald" with "Howard", and vice versa, and I absolutely agree with you, man.

[ohara831]

Here's something for you to sink your teeth into and over analyze. I' know he loves playing with #'s and his PER stuff. But he gets down right brutal in this one. Not real impressed with my guy Gordon, but it makes for interesting reading. But his main point seems to be " Beasley is the $hit!"

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=DraftRater-080622&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumni st%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dDraftRater-080622

[ohara831]

How's this for a kick in the balls! A brutal assessment, but sprinkled with a bit of harsh reality. That is why this draft is very very important. We have to get things turned around here and gain some league-wide respect.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/31627-NBA-Draft-Is-Charlotte-Bobcats-Horror-Show

[Slam]

How's this for a kick in the balls! A brutal assessment, but sprinkled with a bit of harsh reality. That is why this draft is very very important. We have to get things turned around here and gain some league-wide respect.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/31627-NBA-Draft-Is-Charlotte-Bobcats-Horror-Show

It's hard to argue with, even though the article makes my blood boil!!

[ohara831]

Hey, not bad. With all the talk of Love going #3-#5, I would not be upset at all with him at #9. But Hendrix at #38 would be redundant. A nice PF, but with May and Jermareo already and if we added Love, we dont need 4 PFs. But if we were packaging May and Jermareo for another move, I'd be OK with it.

On second thought, if we do get Love at #9, we wont do the Hibbart deal. And I dont see us trading back into the 1st for a PG/SG as there wont be any good ones for the 1st round value outside the Lottery. I think I'd be very happy getting Kyle Weaver with #38, or making a small trade to move up into the very early part of the 2nd round to get him. he'd be an excellant back up to Ray and he's a respectable scorer also.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080623

[ohara831]

This is the skinny on Kyle Weaver if you haven't seen it before. Sounds like a solid back up and 2nd round pick. Messed up the link. Will try to fix it. There, should give you 2 links with good info on him.


http://72.167.32.125/admincp/profiles/kyleweaver.html


http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19168&draftyear=2008

[countryboi]

This is the skinny on Kyle Weaver if you haven't seen it before. Sounds like a solid back up and 2nd round pick. Messed up the link. Will try to fix it. There, should give you 2 links with good info on him.


http://72.167.32.125/admincp/profiles/kyleweaver.html


http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19168&draftyear=2008 I think the bobcats should avoid another point guard that cant shoot...but i do like his size

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/06/should-bobcats.html

OOOOPS! Better read up on the rules before you post one for the Observer.

[countryboi]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/06/should-bobcats.html

OOOOPS! Better read up on the rules before you post one for the Observer.

i read that today..i was very disapointed in the observer...its like they are not even trying anymore

[Muttley]

Somethings up with Bonnell. He says he just got back from vacation, but with his recent DUI he may just be on the way out. Unfortunately, they'll probably replace him with someone even more lethargic in his/her effort to cover the Bobcats.

[Icky Thump]

ESPN is reporting:

1. Portland Trailblazers have acquired New Orleans 1st round pick (#27) for Cash considerations.

2. Andy Katz is reporting Miami Heat are saying they will select O.J. Mayo at #2 if the Chicago Bulls take Rose #1 overall.

[timang]

ESPN is reporting:
2. Andy Katz is reporting Miami Heat are saying they will select O.J. Mayo at #2 if the Chicago Bulls take Rose #1 overall.


now if that trade rumor for us getting #3 will go down then.... :o

[Wanderlai]

Why wouldnt the Cats buy that pick? Isnt that about Hibbert range if the Cats are so high on him? Oh its nice to be Paul Allen. The Blazers buy a 1st every year it seems.

MJ should be on the phone now if Miami does take Mayo 2nd with an offer of Crash/Ammo/9 for the 3rd pick. I can dream can't I. To bad we still don't have Bob Bass as a GM. Why does Miami want Mayo with Wade there? I'd think Beasley would be the perfect fit. I guess I'll wait for Memphis to trade for Beasley and for the Cats to draft either Ajinca/Hibbert/Randolf/Jordan at 9. Whoop de frickin do!

[Mustachio]

Why wouldnt the Cats buy that pick? Isnt that about Hibbert range if the Cats are so high on him? Oh its nice to be Paul Allen. The Blazers buy a 1st every year it seems.

MJ should be on the phone now if Miami does take Mayo 2nd with an offer of Crash/Ammo/9 for the 3rd pick. I can dream can't I. To bad we still don't have Bob Bass as a GM. Why does Miami want Mayo with Wade there? I'd think Beasley would be the perfect fit. I guess I'll wait for Memphis to trade for Beasley and for the Cats to draft either Ajinca/Hibbert/Randolf/Jordan at 9. Whoop de frickin do!


the Trailblazers are a good smart front office. But that pick wouldnt have done us much good. its the 27th pick. We pick 8th in the second round so we'd only be moving up about 11 spots and Hibbert would be long gone by then. Just stay and grab Hendrix in the second.

as far as that trade goes... i wouldn't trade away both of our SF's. Ammo and 9 would be a steal, Crash and 9 would be a gamble. I got a bad feeling about Beasley...if he is such a lock to be an NBA star why has he gone to 3rd now. Especially when Chicago and Miami could both use a PF.

[ohara831]

Not a bad day. Love with #9 and Bill Walker with #38. I'd be OK with that. But it is not as exciting as thinking of trying to get #3 if Beasley is there!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080625

[ohara831]

Crash and #9 for Beasley at #3 may do it, but that is a lot to give up. But I honestly think Beasley would be worth it. We'd have to slide Dudley into the SF slot, but with his experience last year and lots of playing time, I think he'd be fine.
Ray-PG
J-Rich-SG
Dudley-SF
Beasley-PF
Okafor-Center

That is a very solid starting 5 in my book.

[Dead_Real]

Crash and #9 for Beasley at #3 may do it, but that is a lot to give up. But I honestly think Beasley would be worth it. We'd have to slide Dudley into the SF slot, but with his experience last year and lots of playing time, I think he'd be fine.
Ray-PG
J-Rich-SG
Dudley-SF
Beasley-PF
Okafor-Center

That is a very solid starting 5 in my book.
I really think this has a chance to happen (as far as Beasley falling a bit) I saw on ESPN that Marion wont opt out of his contract so they could pass up on Beasley now for Mayo instead at two. As far as sending 9 & Crash to T-Wolves for Beasley I'd do that deal without thinking twice imagine if we could trade back into the first using May or Morrison and snatch up Bill Walker I'd be ecstatic on draft night if this went down.

This should make many Bobcats fans happy hopefully it turns out to be true on draft night
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/06/bobcats-looking.html

[ohara831]

Please! Please! Please! Please God, let this happen for us. I promise I'll be a good boy from now on! I promise!

[Mustachio]

Is Crash and #9 for Beasley worth it. Im not saying it isnt' but remember that puts Adam Morrison whom most of you guys hate, into the starting lineup.

Ray
Rich
Ammo
Beasley
Okafor.

well we shouldnt have much problem scoring with that lineup. Defending and winning a championship is a whole nother story.

[TheLegend]

I really think this has a chance to happen (as far as Beasley falling a bit) I saw on ESPN that Marion wont opt out of his contract so they could pass up on Beasley now for Mayo instead at two. As far as sending 9 & Crash to T-Wolves for Beasley I'd do that deal without thinking twice imagine if we could trade back into the first using May or Morrison and snatch up Bill Walker I'd be ecstatic on draft night if this went down.

This should make many Bobcats fans happy hopefully it turns out to be true on draft night
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/06/bobcats-looking.html

GREAT FIND!!!!! I would rep you but I don't know how lol. I just hope all this is true.

[Keetch]

Must I wouldn't put AMMO there....I'd go with Duds, and be pretty happy with it.

[ohara831]

Dudley would start as SF, not Ammo. That is my best guess. And I'd be very happy with the lineup. And it's good for Ammo as he would get more burn playing behind only Dudley rather than Crash and Dudley.

[Mustachio]

We cant be sure that Dudley would start in that situation. judging from his play last year, he would definitely be the odds on favorite.
But i got a feeling Ammo and Brown are gonna mesh hard core.

[ohara831]

Mustachio:

You know, if Ammo picks up where he was before his injury, he may keep that starting SF spot if we make that trade. Either way, I think he and Dudley would get almost equal time until one showed he was superior to the other on the Court.

[Mustachio]

Mustachio:

You know, if Ammo picks up where he was before his injury, he may keep that starting SF spot if we make that trade. Either way, I think he and Dudley would get almost equal time until one showed he was superior to the other on the Court.


yeah thats my only point. Its not like Dudley beat out Ammo last year. In fact many people were excited about Ammo's second year. but he got hurt and Dudley got the go ahead... and played well.

But i have to say. Defense is where its at in the NBA. plenty of guys can put the ball in the hoop... but defense has been paramount in championships in the NBA for a long time. so maybe Dudley does get the nod... but im just saying its no lock.

[DirtyU11]

Morrison and Dudley both would be on the bench. It is clear that the FO wants to play Okafor at PF and not at center. We are going to trade back into the first and pickup Hibbert or Koufos. We trade #9 wallace and Morrison to MIA for Beasley. Forget gettingu Beasley at 3 because if he is there MIN is going to take him. The MIA trade might not be enough to get the #2 but if we could our line up would look like this.

Felton
J-rich
Beasley(he is better suited for SF)
Okafor
Hibbert/Koufos

That is a terrific lineup and realistic to happen. Take Hendrix in the second round. We trade may to get the extra first.