Trade completed

[Michael Thompson]

CHARLOTTE BOBCATS ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL 2008 FIRST-ROUND DRAFT PICK



June 25, 2008 – The Charlotte Bobcats today acquired a second first-round pick in Thursday’s NBA Draft, receiving the 20th overall selection from the Denver Nuggets in exchange for a future protected first-round pick.



The Bobcats now own the ninth and 20th picks in the first round, along with the 38th overall pick in the second round. ESPN’s live coverage of the 2008 NBA Draft begins at 7:00 p.m. tomorrow.

[TheLegend]

That great! Where is the link to it?

[spectre]

A little risky depending upon the protection. Still a pretty good move and should at least land Hibbert if he'the target.

Now about that 9th pick...

:rolleyes:

[chabber]

Bold move. I like it. As long as I don't see the Denver Nuggets with the 1st pick in the draft in 5 years courtesy of us.

[Mustachio]

Holy cow this one snuck up on me.


I think this will be a trade up deal. the 9th and 20 for the 3rd???? Beasley? anyone

[spectre]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nuggets-trade-their-only-draft-pick/

Nuggets trade their only draft pick
By Chris Tomasson (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/staff/chris-tomasson/), Rocky Mountain News (Contact (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/staff/chris-tomasson/contact/))

Originally published 03:44 p.m., June 25, 2008
Updated 03:44 p.m., June 25, 2008

The luxury tax-strapped Nuggets no longer have a pick in Thursday’s draft.
The Nuggets on Wednesday traded their No. 20 pick to Charlotte for a future protected first-round selection.
The Nuggets are in line to have a $90 million payroll next season, which would be about $20 million over the luxury-tax threshold.
The No. 20 pick will make nearly $1.3 million next season. With the Nuggets in the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax, that would be savings of $2.6 million.

[dnbman]

YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Man, I'm excited.

[Mustachio]

They way Higgins was talking on Draft Day 11 video... I gotta think this is about moving up.

maybe we dont lose Crash OR Ammo and just send the picks.


or maybe its just Westbrook, Hibbert, and Hendrix. I wouldnt be pissed at that.

[Dead_Real]

Holy sh!t we better use this to move up.

[dnbman]

Holy cow this one snuck up on me.


I think this will be a trade up deal. the 9th and 20 for the 3rd???? Beasley? anyone

I wonder if that's even legal? I know you can turn around and trade players. But I'm not sure if picks operate that way.

That being said, I don't think that's what they're planning. I think the Bobcats really want one of the bigs that will be available with that pick and will look to do the best they can with the 9th, possibly packaging a player or two to switch picks.

But, who knows? This makes things a lot more interesting. And apparently, it's not especially difficult to buy a first round pick, even if a late one, in these days of cash strapped teams having to take on rookie contracts. So, I feel great about it so long as there is some o.k. protection.

[Mustachio]

also like to say that BobcatsPlanet.com broke the news. Eat that Chad Ford.


and thanks Michael Thompson.

[murphman]

If Hibbert is the obvious choice, what's to stop a team in the late teens from picking him and then calling us saying we can have him for the 20th pick as long as you throw in something else?

Yeah, it's cutthroat and creates really bad blood but still could be done. Cavaliers at #19 could use a center so if we refuse, they could still keep him. No real harm.

[spectre]

Bonnell's story:



The NBA source with knowledge of those negotiations identified Hibbert as a likely Bobcats target.


http://www.charlotte.com/sports_breaking/story/686091.html

[murphman]

We could also be targeting Koufos. He had a solid workout here.

[twebb]

I like the move up and i think it is great value because if this pick gets us to the playoffs then we just effectively traded a late 1st for a 20

[Mustachio]

If Hibbert is the obvious choice, what's to stop a team in the late teens from picking him and then calling us saying we can have him for the 20th pick as long as you throw in something else?

Yeah, it's cutthroat and creates really bad blood but still could be done. Cavaliers at #19 could use a center so if we refuse, they could still keep him. No real harm.


well yeah that could happen, but i dont think it would come to a trade situation. If someone else drafted Hibbert... then we would just go with Ajinca or Jordan whom i think will still be available.

[amour217]

well yeah that could happen, but i dont think it would come to a trade situation. If someone else drafted Hibbert... then we would just go with Ajinca or Jordan whom i think will still be available.

While Hibbert is pretty unathletic, I think he'd be a great pickup for Larry Brown's slowed-down halfcourt offense. But if another team grabs him prior to the 20th pick, I'd have NO problem with the 'Cats picking Ajinca...I actually like what I've heard about him thus far.

We'll just have to wait and see...we gotta draft smart and hopefully the smart decisions will carry over til first tip-off!

[ammofan]

On WCNC news about 10 mkinutes ago.....they said that the Bobcats are looking to move up.....

I hope that this could mean trading for the #2 pick. i would throw in may as well

BUT, i do not want to trade both picks for OJ Mayo.

[dnbman]

If Hibbert is the obvious choice, what's to stop a team in the late teens from picking him and then calling us saying we can have him for the 20th pick as long as you throw in something else?

Yeah, it's cutthroat and creates really bad blood but still could be done. Cavaliers at #19 could use a center so if we refuse, they could still keep him. No real harm.

Just think about it this way: either we trade up and get Beasley or one of the following players will be a Bobcat in addition to the BPA we can now pick with no regrets at 9:

Arthur
Hibbert
Koufos
Greene
Speights
Ajinca
Randolph
McGee
Jordan

We now can also draft safe with the ninth (Lopez) and draft high risk/reward with the 20th (Jordan). We can also now go with a guard and still address the big situation.

This is just a huge trade for us, giving much more flexibility.

[Dead_Real]

Oh lord I just had a thought would MJ pull a 05 like draft and take the Lopez Twins? :(

[Proudiddy]

This is a great move. I've been checking all the rumors websites and local papers throughout the last two days whenever I get a chance... I'm really hoping that we use these to move up and take Beasley or Mayo. If we took one of those guys (plus our 2nd rounder for whatever position we didn't address with the first pick - PG or C/PF), we're automatic in the playoffs. I think this is the best case scenario because Beasley or Mayo will also tremendously help us with ticket sales and national exposure, that's why I'm truly hoping to get one of those guys!!! If that doesn't pan out, although I'm hoping it does, then we couldn't do too bad with a guard at 9 and Hibbert at 20, plus our secound rounder. Man I hope we move up though!!! Higgins is the man!

[MattD]

draft day and the trade deadline. my two favorite days in the nba. I cant wait!

btw I think we are holding it for hibbert

[Jonathanmartin7]

Holy sh!t we better use this to move up.
I'd rather have 2 players than one. I know Beasley is a good ball player, but we could end up with Love, and batum. Acording to www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net) they have us getting Love at 9, I don't think he's available then but if he is we take him. Batum is a pure shooter and an excellent defender and is projected to go like 24. I'd rather have that pair and a pair of others than I would beasley. We don't just need 1 peice of the puzzle we need the whole puzzle! Not to mention the trades that would open up with personel now. We could trade crash, Ammo, the list just goes on. I really hope we don't trade two picks for 1, Beasley is not Howard, or Jordan. He's gonna be great but not somebody that is a regular on the all star team and is able to carry us to a champion ship.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

I think it would take more than 9 and 20 to move up to 2. I bet it would take crash and both picks with miami throwing in some salary fodder (maybe J-Will?) to make up crash's salary for Riley to go for it, and he would want alot.

It's giving up a lot, but I am inclined to say roll the dice, Beasley is potentially a once in a generation player who could command the double teams from the post (even if he is only 6-7), but quality trumps quantity in the nba.

[ammofan]

I'd rather have 2 players than one. I know Beasley is a good ball player, but we could end up with Love, and batum. Acording to www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net) they have us getting Love at 9, I don't think he's available then but if he is we take him. Batum is a pure shooter and an excellent defender and is projected to go like 24. I'd rather have that pair and a pair of others than I would beasley. We don't just need 1 peice of the puzzle we need the whole puzzle! Not to mention the trades that would open up with personel now. We could trade crash, Ammo, the list just goes on. I really hope we don't trade two picks for 1, Beasley is not Howard, or Jordan. He's gonna be great but not somebody that is a regular on the all star team and is able to carry us to a champion ship.

Yeah I would for sure take Love before Beasley. No I am serious. We need BIG. Love is 6'10"....Beasley is 6'7". Shoot, Adam is bigger!

[Dead_Real]

I'd rather have 2 players than one. I know Beasley is a good ball player, but we could end up with Love, and batum. Acording to www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net) they have us getting Love at 9, I don't think he's available then but if he is we take him. Batum is a pure shooter and an excellent defender and is projected to go like 24. I'd rather have that pair and a pair of others than I would beasley. We don't just need 1 peice of the puzzle we need the whole puzzle! Not to mention the trades that would open up with personel now. We could trade crash, Ammo, the list just goes on. I really hope we don't trade two picks for 1, Beasley is not Howard, or Jordan. He's gonna be great but not somebody that is a regular on the all star team and is able to carry us to a champion ship.
That 1 piece added to a core of Felton, J-Rich and Okafor would get us to the playoffs and make us a top seed too.

Ammofan I'm taking from that comment you didn't watch much K-State Basketball this past season.

[MattD]

Yeah I would for sure take Love before Beasley. No I am serious. We need BIG. Love is 6'10"....Beasley is 6'7". Shoot, Adam is bigger!

thats a joke right? Its not all about size. Charles Barkley, 6'4 one of the best rebounders ever and played his position extremely well. Beasley has size and a big body, he is athletic. Love is so so on athleticism, Adam is flat out terrible. Not to mention adam is a stick.

[swetooth9]

i would trade 9 & 20 + morrison (or another of our tradable players) for #2 (only if we pick beasley) but nothing more....i would not add crash or ray or okafor or jrich (of course)

i think beasley could be the next elton brand (add a jump shot)...that would be something we need..we are severely lacking on offense, especially in the paint...so i would jump for joy if we got beasley..

[kickazzz2000]

Argh, I'm having one of those days with Charlotte.com..makin me login for everything.

Stoked about this trade, though.

[countryboi]

I'd rather have 2 players than one. I know Beasley is a good ball player, but we could end up with Love, and batum. Acording to www.nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net) they have us getting Love at 9, I don't think he's available then but if he is we take him. Batum is a pure shooter and an excellent defender and is projected to go like 24. I'd rather have that pair and a pair of others than I would beasley. We don't just need 1 peice of the puzzle we need the whole puzzle! Not to mention the trades that would open up with personel now. We could trade crash, Ammo, the list just goes on. I really hope we don't trade two picks for 1, Beasley is not Howard, or Jordan. He's gonna be great but not somebody that is a regular on the all star team and is able to carry us to a champion ship.

one great player is way better than even two good players..i dont like giving up first round draft picks...but if we can box the picks up for beasley...i am all for it...i like Ajinca but i think he has played his way above the 20th pick

[aznjustice14]

i would try to trade up for this jsut becuase i'm not sure if we'll be able to get the hibbert that we want anyways at 20. if we can trade up and get one of beasley or mayo, i would definitely think about doing that over 9 and 20

[ohara831]

Could be one of those where we trade Crash and #9 to Miami and for #2 take back Blount and the other Contract they want. Then use #20 on someone like Batum to replace our traded SF and #38 for PG/SG like Kyle Weaver. I think Hibbert and Ajinca will both be gone by #20. I am not sure if I value either enough to trade #20 and #38 to move up 4-5 spots. I think getting 3 players is what we are doing, and losing Crash.

Edit: If we get Beasley, we dont need Hibbert or Ajinca. We keep Okafor at Center with his backup being Nazr.

[dav7z]

Like i guessed on the other thread . Gordon slips to the ninth and we take Hibbert at twenty.

But now we could take a chance on Randolph at nine and Hibbert at twenty .
Or we can take a chance on Jordon at twenty .
We will get two good players for sure.
I really don't think we trading up Brown really likes some one at that twenth pick . I think he likes it as much as he does the ninth.

[countryboi]

Like i guessed on the other thread . Gordon slips to the ninth and we take Hibbert at twenty.

But now we could take a chance on Randolph at nine and Hibbert at twenty .
Or we can take a chance on Jordon at twenty .
We will get two good players for sure.
I really don't think we trading up Brown really likes some one at that twenth pick . I think he likes it as much as he does the ninth.

i like the idea of drafting jordan and randolph....now thats swing for the fences

[swetooth9]

you guys really think jordan will be there at 20? if so, i'm all for a "potential dwight howard."

[ziggy]

This is a no lose situation (unless we draft both of the Lopez twins).

Westbrook / Roy
Randolph / Ajinca

... or even possibly trading up for Mayo or Beasley:o
Tomorrow is going to be a day that changes our franchise for the foreseeable future.

[Icky Thump]

Really cool to see we aren't staying put and are making some moves BUT I HATE giving up future picks etc. (even with lottery protection) so this move had better bring something real good.

[swetooth9]

wait...i thought we didn't want hibbert...everyone kept bashing him for the longest time...why is everybody all happy about him now? i'm guessing he's not worth the 9 but worth the 20?

[Dead_Real]

wait...i thought we didn't want hibbert...everyone kept bashing him for the longest time...why is everybody all happy about him now? i'm guessing he's not worth the 9 but worth the 20?
Pretty much and he seems like a Coach Brown type of player.

[ohara831]

Guys. Wait a minute. This would be Miami, a Division foe. I am not sure they will deal with us knowing Beasley could come back and bite them in the ass. This may be about Minn and #3.

[ziggy]

Also, I'd like to thank Michael Thompson for breaking that story here
Let me be the first to Rep him up!

[swetooth9]

Guys. Wait a minute. This would be Miami, a Division foe. I am not sure they will deal with us knowing Beasley could come back and bite them in the ass. This may be about Minn and #3.

that's probably more like it unfortunately :( hasn't Minn been talking about trading down anyway? that makes more sense...

HOPEFULLY the heat either takes mayo or trades to someone who takes mayo and we can get beasley...if not, i'd still be happy with mayo though

[spectre]

Guys. Wait a minute. This would be Miami, a Division foe. I am not sure they will deal with us knowing Beasley could come back and bite them in the ass. This may be about Minn and #3.

I've never really figured out how to get another big plus Mayo as it seemed to me Minny would realistically want Crash instead of Ammo to drop back to 9th. Doing that would take away our only real asset to cover the big position.

Did we just take care of that with the 20th? Would we go into the season with Nazr/Mek/Hibbert (or another)/Hollins as our bigs? Heck, we could feasibly have a plan to move the 20th and pieces for a PF/C.

I'm probably willing to risk going in with just the above bigs. We'd still have the MLE and we can always do another minor trade or two.

Swing for the fences...get Mayo!!!

[dav7z]

Way to Michael
Look at this latest mock draft. At nine we get to chose between Gordon and Lopez. Its not much of a drop off between Gordon and Mayo.

At number 20 its loaded with bigs. Let Larry Brown take his choice.

last mock.



http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1275/20080624/2008_nba_mock_draft_version_120_(late_tuesday_edit ion)/
We still might look to packege Ammo and 38 to get number 21 too.
Three first rounders in this deap of a draft.

[Wallace15]

Oh hell yeah. We've been hearing these rumors about us trying to acquire another 1st rounder but I didn't think it was actually gone get done.

Weather we're trading up for Beasley or drafting a combination of Westbrook/Hibbert or Gordan/Ajinca, either one is going to be awesome. Tomorrow can't come soon enough.

[Dead_Real]

I'm interesting to see if T-Wolves would do 9 and Crash for 3 straight up at 9 they get a proven stud in Crash and can still get a guy at 9 they were reported to be thinking about taking at 3 in Brook Lopez or Kevin Love they might bite.

[swetooth9]

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/bobcats_draft_central_2008.html

wtf...it says that 27% voted on the poll that we should pick brook lopez with our #9

only 11% or so voted westbrook and 20% voted Love...i hope they don't follow the polls :(

[swetooth9]

I'm interesting to see if T-Wolves would do 9 and Crash for 3 straight up at 9 they get a proven stud in Crash and can still get a guy at 9 they were reported to be thinking about taking at 3 in Brook Lopez or Kevin Love they might bite.

i would not do that...but that's just me...i dunno but I value crash much more than that...especially with his great contract

i'd do 9, 20, and ammo for 3 though

[Slam]

Obviously when Lawson pulled out of the draft the Nuggets lost all interest with their pick. Even more so when Chalmbers started climbing up the boards.

It's nice to have the extra pick, but there is not a hope in hell Doc will be there when #20 rolls around.



P.S. ammofan: Love the new Felts sig you are rocking. It looks awesome.

P.P.S Thanks for showing us the respect Michael and letting us know in advance about the trade. VERY classy move.

[spectre]

Obviously when Lawson pulled out of the draft the Nuggets lost all interest with their pick. Even more so when Chalmbers started climbing up the boards.

It's nice to have the extra pick, but there is not a hope in hell Doc will be there when #20 rolls around.



P.S. ammofan: Love the new Felts sig you are rocking. It looks awesome.

P.P.S Thanks for showing us the respect Michael and letting us know in advance about the trade. VERY classy move.

Remember the kool-aid! :biggrin:

DX has us taking Westbrook at 9th, and Hibbert is going 23rd to Utah.

Anything's possible...and we deserve some damn luck for a change.

[dav7z]

It's no way i trade Wallace and nine for Mayo . When we can just draft Gordon at nine keep Wallace. I don't think we take Lopez over Gordon with so many bigs at 20.

Bayless, Mayo, Westbrook , Gordon . one of them has to be around at nine?

[ammofan]

Would any of you take DJ Augustin?

[dav7z]

No way at best D.J is a sixth man. Not with all the other combos on the board.

[spectre]

Totally unsubstantiated...I pulled this off the trade board on RealGM. A misc. poster came on and said this is supposed to be the protection on that pick:

* Through the top 14 in 2009.
* Through the top 12 in 2010.
* Through the top 10 in 2011.
* Through the top 8 in 2012.
* Through the top 3 in 2013.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=817915&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

[Slam]

How about this!!

There are some legs to the #3 pick for #9 and Ammo BUT McHale said it wasn't quite enough. What if he said to the Bobcats "go out and get a 2nd 1st round pick around the middle of the round, package that with the #9 and Ammo and we have a deal" and then tomorrow night we walk away from the draft with our core in tact PLUS either Beasley (please, please, please) or Mayo!!!

I think I'm going to wet myself.

[Mustachio]

How about this!!

There are some legs to the #3 pick for #9 and Ammo BUT McHale said it wasn't quite enough. What if he said to the Bobcats "go out and get a 2nd 1st round pick around the middle of the round, package that with the #9 and Ammo and we have a deal" and then tomorrow night we walk away from the draft with our core in tact PLUS either Beasley (please, please, please) or Mayo!!!

I think I'm going to wet myself.


seems like a steal for beasley...but doesnt it seem like a little much for Mayo when we already have Ray and Jrich?

[spectre]

seems like a steal for beasley...but doesnt it seem like a little much for Mayo when we already have Ray and Jrich?

We'd then have to consider moving Crash for a PF and move Swish to the 3. That'd give us more defense and handles on the perimeter and move a dead eye 3 ptr to the SF spot to stretch the D even more.

[MattD]

How about this!!

There are some legs to the #3 pick for #9 and Ammo BUT McHale said it wasn't quite enough. What if he said to the Bobcats "go out and get a 2nd 1st round pick around the middle of the round, package that with the #9 and Ammo and we have a deal" and then tomorrow night we walk away from the draft with our core in tact PLUS either Beasley (please, please, please) or Mayo!!!

I think I'm going to wet myself.

im with you, but keep dreaming. we are not getting 3 unless we put a little more into it in my opinion, and I think we got 20 so we could take hibbert.

[Dead_Real]

i would not do that...but that's just me...i dunno but I value crash much more than that...especially with his great contract

i'd do 9, 20, and ammo for 3 though
Many T-Wolves fans consider Kevin McHale to be a f*ck up and stupid so your deal has a slight chance of happening lol.

To dav7z Gordon is no Mayo though both have an amazing strokes but Mayo's D puts him over he's the ideal player in this draft to man our 2 guard spot. Oh yea Mayo's handle is sick as hell too.

[Slam]

Many T-Wolves fans consider Kevin McHale to be a f*ck up and stupid so your deal has a slight chance of happening lol.

God I hope they are right!!

[swetooth9]

How about this!!

There are some legs to the #3 pick for #9 and Ammo BUT McHale said it wasn't quite enough. What if he said to the Bobcats "go out and get a 2nd 1st round pick around the middle of the round, package that with the #9 and Ammo and we have a deal" and then tomorrow night we walk away from the draft with our core in tact PLUS either Beasley (please, please, please) or Mayo!!!

I think I'm going to wet myself.

20 is around the middle of the round, right? :D

[Chef]

man, i check this site 1000 times at work, then come home and all hell has broken loose. my two cents...if we keep both picks (westbrook, gordon, bayless, love) with #9 and jordan or randolph with 20. i think jordan has bust written all over him early in the lottery, but falling that low and coach brown's teaching could give him the chip on his shoulder he needs. the only way we trade both picks is to get beasley.

[dav7z]

man, i check this site 1000 times at work, then come home and all hell has broken loose. my two cents...if we keep both picks (westbrook, gordon, bayless, love) with #9 and jordan or randolph with 20. i think jordan has bust written all over him early in the lottery, but falling that low and coach brown's teaching could give him the chip on his shoulder he needs. the only way we trade both picks is to get beasley.

Agreeded then i would have to think about that. We talking crash and two real good players . For Mayo slow down guys think . Mayo hasn't played a NBA game yet.

[Wanderlai]

With the protection on the pick, if i is as stated above, the trade with Denver is a good one. I'll buy the NBA league pass if the Cats can get Beasley or Mayo. Charlotte needs some media hype and that would do it. So what would it be? 9/Ammo/20 for the 3 and a player? I think the Wolves keep Beasley if he drops and that theres a better chance of the trade happening if Mayo is there at 3. What happens if the Cats stay at 9 and there choice is between Lopez, DJ, Randolf with all the gaurds taken when everyone knows they want Hibbert or Ajinca at 20? Do they take 2 bigs?

[sjcollin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3460859

[ohara831]

Toronto just got JO. They already have Bosh at PF. Do you think they are dealing Bosh? I'd give up Crash and #20 for Bosh. Then use #9 for a combo guard and let him play SG and J-Rich SF. What do you think?

[Slam]

Toronto just got JO. They already have Bosh at PF. Do you think they are dealing Bosh? I'd give up Crash and #20 for Bosh. Then use #9 for a combo guard and let him play SG and J-Rich SF. What do you think?
Not a hope in hell.

They got JON to team with Bosh, not to replace him.

Besides, Bosh is about a zillion times better than JON.

Besides, Crash and #20 wouldn't get you Bosh. Crash and #9 probably wouldn't get you Bosh!!

[Wallace15]

Toronto just got JO. They already have Bosh at PF. Do you think they are dealing Bosh? I'd give up Crash and #20 for Bosh. Then use #9 for a combo guard and let him play SG and J-Rich SF. What do you think?

I don't think they're looking to trade Bosh. If anything, I think they traded for JO to play beside Bosh.

[swetooth9]

Toronto just got JO. They already have Bosh at PF. Do you think they are dealing Bosh? I'd give up Crash and #20 for Bosh. Then use #9 for a combo guard and let him play SG and J-Rich SF. What do you think?

i usually agree with a lot of things you say, but this is definitely not one of them...bosh>>>>oneal

plus the point of the trade was to put them both together i think...bosh can score midrange as well as inside so this should work out great for them

on another note:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3459696

it looks like we might not be contenders for the beasley sweepstakes :(

hopefully we still are though

[ohara831]

yeah, and they dont need Crash with Moon at SF. Not happening.

[Mustachio]

I still think Chicago is gonna take Beasley with the number 1 overall. Stupid not to.

[dav7z]

Higgins says hes happy with picking at nine.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video_draft_workouts_080625.html

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3460859

I'm not liking this scenario at all. Yuck!

[Slam]

I still think Chicago is gonna take Beasley with the number 1 overall. Stupid not to.

I still think Chicago SHOULD take Beasley with the number 1 overall. Stupid not to

[swetooth9]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3460859

I'm not liking this scenario at all. Yuck!

if that's what we're thinking...we MUST trade up...please...

[Slam]

Higgins said:

"(On how comfortable the Bobcats are with picking ninth)
We’re very comfortable in picking at nine. I think we have some players that could come in and make an impact on our team immediately. We’re prepared to draft at nine. "

Isn't the complete opposite to what LB said?

[countryboi]

Higgins says hes happy with picking at nine.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video_draft_workouts_080625.html

you have to be happy with the hand you are given....but he has go to be looking to do better

[spectre]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3460859

I'm not liking this scenario at all. Yuck!

If Augustin was a targe why did we never work him out? Why in the hell would we be targeting Alexander? Gallinari? Hello...small forward is our strongest positoin?

I don't like those choices either. Isn't Katz supposed to have some creed?

[DirtyU11]

It is clear that the FO wants to play Okafor at PF and not at center. Trading back into the first we pickup Hibbert or Koufos. We trade #9 wallace and Morrison to MIA for Beasley. Forget getting Beasley at #3 because if he is there MIN is going to take him. I hate giving up wallace, but if you think about it the only real impact player there is Wallace and Westbrook will most likely be gone at 9. So would you trade wallace for beasley? I sure would.

Felton
J-rich
Beasley(he is better suited for SF)
Okafor
Hibbert/Koufos

Thats a great lineup. Take Hendrix in the second round and we have a much improved team.

[spectre]

double post

[swetooth9]

Higgins said:

"(On how comfortable the Bobcats are with picking ninth)
We’re very comfortable in picking at nine. I think we have some players that could come in and make an impact on our team immediately. We’re prepared to draft at nine. "

Isn't the complete opposite to what LB said?

didn't LB just say that we won't be getting a starter at 9, but still someone who will contribute and eventually be able to start hopefully?

[Dunk]

Not surprising at all. There seems to be a number of good guards, and maybe we catch a break and Westrbrook falls to us. Big man seemed to be valued more in the later rounds this year. But this could also be a misdirection as well.


Doesn't Mayo have a lot of off the court problems? That seems inconsistent with the organizations philosophy. You don't hear a lot about Bobcat players getting into trouble. It doesn't seem like a good fit from that perspective.

[Icky Thump]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3460859

I'm not liking this scenario at all. Yuck!


I agree ohara... that is YUCK!



"That means Charlotte will focus on a list of four players with the ninth pick: Italy's Danilo Gallinari, West Virginia's Joe Alexander, Texas' D.J. Augustin and LSU's Anthony Randolph. Gallinari and Alexander could be gone at No. 6 and 8, respectively. If that's the case, then the Bobcats will likely choose between Augustin and Randolph."

Oh man... :shutup: :blowup:

[ohara831]

If we were to keep both picks, I'm kinda hoping for Love at #9 and Chalmers at #20. That is a solid PF and a solid backup PG/SG to fill our needs. Barring a trade, that would be OK with me.

[countryboi]

Not surprising at all. There seems to be a number of good guards, and maybe we catch a break and Westrbrook falls to us. Big man seemed to be valued more in the later rounds this year. But this could also be a misdirection as well.


Doesn't Mayo have a lot of off the court problems? That seems inconsistent with the organizations philosophy. You don't hear a lot about Bobcat players getting into trouble. It doesn't seem like a good fit from that perspective.

these days its looking more likely that bayless will fall than westbrook....but they both seem like dreams

[Slam]

didn't LB just say that we won't be getting a starter at 9, but still someone who will contribute and eventually be able to start hopefully?
I thought LB has been saying that he likes guys like Doc who stay 4 years at college and that all the freshmen he has seen are great prospects but none would make an immediate impact?

[swetooth9]

I thought LB has been saying that he likes guys like Doc who stay 4 years at college and that all the freshmen he has seen are great prospects but none would make an immediate impact?

who's doc? the only doc i know is doc rivers....

[DirtyU11]

Guess you guys dont like my trade for Beasley. Alot of people here seem to want him but the previous offers arent realistic at all. No way MIA would trade #2 for #9 and #20. Would you?

Was just curious about others opinions. My trade was better than staying at 9 and getting Gallinari, Randolph, Augustine, Alexander. I do hope we trade up if we cant get westbrook or gordon at 9. If anyone has any realistic trades to get up to #2 post em.

[Slam]

who's doc? the only doc i know is doc rivers....
Roy "Doc" Hibbert.

[Slam]

Guess you guys dont like my trade for Beasley. Alot of people here seem to want him but the previous offers arent realistic at all. No way MIA would trade #2 for #9 and #20. Would you?

Was just curious about others opinions. My trade was better than staying at 9 and getting Gallinari, Randolph, Augustine, Alexander. I do hope we trade up if we cant get westbrook or gordon at 9. If anyone has any realistic trades to get up to #2 post em.

Sorry Dirty - this thread has been going at about a million miles per hour!!

What was your trade idea to land the Big Easy?

[DirtyU11]

Its on page 7 or 8 of this thread

[Slam]

Wouldn't it have just been easier to type the trade idea again rather than typing "Its on page 7 or 8 of this thread" and sending me on a treasure hunt?

[Dead_Real]

I have a interesting question what if we stay put and somehow Love, Randolph and Westbrook are all left on the board what direction would yall go?

[Wanderlai]

Man, staying at 9 and choosing between Augustine and Randolf and then Hibbert at 20. Gag! I hope Bayless or Westbrook falls and they get JaVale at 20. I'd take Gordon at 9 before those 2. If Memphis does the 5 + Conley + Miller trade for 2 who does Miami take at 5? Love or Lopez I guess, which helps us none at all.

[swetooth9]

I have a interesting question what if we stay put and somehow Love, Randolph and Westbrook are all left on the board what direction would yall go?

i would prefer westbrook, then love, then randolph...there should be a lot of big men for our 20 draft...so westbrook would be my first pick at 9...or gordon if he's still there.

i think randolph will almost definitely still be there when we draft at 9

[Wanderlai]

I have a interesting question what if we stay put and somehow Love, Randolph and Westbrook are all left on the board what direction would yall go?

Love. He's a starter for the Cats, this season.

[swetooth9]

Its on page 7 or 8 of this thread

if possible, i would rather trade #9, 20, and morrison for the #3 spot and take either beasley or mayo

[Slam]

Love. He's a starter for the Cats, this season.
Agreed. I think that at #9, Love is very, very good value and at the least if he doesn't live up to all of the hype, a serious quality back up PF for us (hit the brick McMay)

[Wanderlai]

if possible, i would rather trade #9, 20, and morrison for the #3 spot and take either beasley or mayo
I think 90% of "us" would too but I'd say 90% of Wolves fans wouldnt.

[Wanderlai]

How would you like to set up the buffet for the Cats with McMay and Love on the same team. The Cats grocery bill would skyrocket. Maybe they choose Randolf over Love in that case because Randolf doesnt eat. He looks like Dhalism off Street fighter 2.

[DirtyU11]

Wouldn't it have just been easier to type the trade idea again rather than typing "Its on page 7 or 8 of this thread" and sending me on a treasure hunt?

Sorry i thought it would easier for you to just scroll back. My trade was wallace morrison and 9 for beasley. Dont know if they would have to throw in someone to make the money work.

[spectre]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_9692488

Protection on the pick per the Denver Post:

2009 - Lottery protected (think that's 14?)
2010 - Top twelve
2011 - Top ten
2012 - Top eight
2013 - Top three

[ohara831]

I've been scared off of Randolph at #9. Maybe worth a shot at #20 if he's there, but not at #9.

[swetooth9]

How would you like to set up the buffet for the Cats with McMay and Love on the same team. The Cats grocery bill would skyrocket. Maybe they choose Randolf over Love in that case because Randolf doesnt eat. He looks like Dhalism off Street fighter 2.

LOL yea he does

[countryboi]

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/686091.html

That the Bobcats added a pick in the early 20s was not a surprise. The Observer previously reported talks between the Bobcats and New Jersey Nets concerning the 21st pick. The NBA source with knowledge of those talks said the Bobcats were potentially targeting Hibbert – a 7-foot-2 college senior – as their guy.
Ideally, the Bobcats would address their needs tonight by adding a big man and a point guard. They retain the ninth overall pick, although general manager Rod Higgins said Wednesday he’s exploring ways to move up in the draft order.
Sending Nos. 9 and 20 to a top-eight team could be one way for the Bobcats to move up.
Higgins didn’t say which top-eight teams he’s approached, but several NBA sources identified the Memphis Grizzlies – with the No. 5 overall pick – as the team most willing to deal down.
Those same sources say the Grizzlies are looking to discard the contract of forward Brian Cardinal, who has underachieved since signing as a free agent. Cardinal is owed $6.3 million next season and $6.75 million the following season. That would be a huge price, both in real dollars and salary-cap space, to move up four spots in the draft.
There are ways to balance off some of that burden. For instance, the Bobcats could include injured forward Sean May, owed $2.66 million next season, to reduce the net effect on Charlotte’s payroll.
Trading first-round picks has become a common practice in the Bobcats’ short history. They moved from fourth to second their first season to acquire center-forward Emeka Okafor and last season sent the rights to No. 8 pick Brandan Wright to Golden State for veteran Jason Richardson.

[swetooth9]

I think 90% of "us" would too but I'd say 90% of Wolves fans wouldnt.

well isn't the trade that was being discussed just 9 and morrison for 3? adding 20 would make it more even though right? remember morrison was our 3 pick a couple years ago

[dnbman]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_9692488

Protection on the pick per the Denver Post:

2009 - Lottery protected (think that's 14?)
2010 - Top twelve
2011 - Top ten
2012 - Top eight
2013 - Top three

That's absolutely beautiful. Considering how infrequent a great pick is after 12, we're really not risking too much, especially if this propels us into the playoffs.

This was the perfect draft for us to do this. Please let the Bobcats take advantage.

[swetooth9]

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/686091.html

That the Bobcats added a pick in the early 20s was not a surprise. The Observer previously reported talks between the Bobcats and New Jersey Nets concerning the 21st pick. The NBA source with knowledge of those talks said the Bobcats were potentially targeting Hibbert – a 7-foot-2 college senior – as their guy.
Ideally, the Bobcats would address their needs tonight by adding a big man and a point guard. They retain the ninth overall pick, although general manager Rod Higgins said Wednesday he’s exploring ways to move up in the draft order.
Sending Nos. 9 and 20 to a top-eight team could be one way for the Bobcats to move up.
Higgins didn’t say which top-eight teams he’s approached, but several NBA sources identified the Memphis Grizzlies – with the No. 5 overall pick – as the team most willing to deal down.
Those same sources say the Grizzlies are looking to discard the contract of forward Brian Cardinal, who has underachieved since signing as a free agent. Cardinal is owed $6.3 million next season and $6.75 million the following season. That would be a huge price, both in real dollars and salary-cap space, to move up four spots in the draft.
There are ways to balance off some of that burden. For instance, the Bobcats could include injured forward Sean May, owed $2.66 million next season, to reduce the net effect on Charlotte’s payroll.
Trading first-round picks has become a common practice in the Bobcats’ short history. They moved from fourth to second their first season to acquire center-forward Emeka Okafor and last season sent the rights to No. 8 pick Brandan Wright to Golden State for veteran Jason Richardson.

eh...i'm not to happy at trading 9 and 20 for 5....idk...i think i'd rather keep the 2 picks unless we get #2 or #3

[countryboi]

Something to think about...number 2 here we come

Heat not sold on Beasley



Jun 25, 2008 10:58 PM EST
Are the Miami Heat looking to trade away from the second overall pick because they are not sold on Michael Beasley, a consensus top two selection?
According to Chad Ford from ESPN.com, Miami president Pat Riley seems to be uncomfortable with Beasley's personality and seems dead set on finding a point guard to pair in the backcourt with Dwyane Wade.
Riley conducted two private workouts on Tuesday - one with Jerryd Bayless from Arizona, and the other with O.J. Mayo, which has received rave reviews of late.
In conjunction with the workouts, the Heat have been actively shopping the second pick in the draft with an eye on selecting Mayo or Bayless lower while acquiring another asset.
Even if no trade is made, Mayo says that he has been told by Riley that he is definitely a possibility to be selected with the second overall pick.

[Wanderlai]

If the Cats trade for 5, I hope its 9 and something for 5 and Cardinal, not 9 and 20 for 5 but if Love can be had at 5 then I guess its o.k. considering at 9 "we" could be left with Augustine or Randolf. I wouldnt move to 5 to get Westbrook. Him, Gordon, or Bayless should drop to 9 if someone jumps on Lopez.

Maybe its a 2 part move. Trade 9 and 20 for 5, then 5, Ammo, and May for 2 or 3. Or it could be 5 and Ammo for 3 if Beasley drops to the Wolves.

[dvdbumpus]

I think we'll trade up. If we don't I see us packaging the 20 and our 2nd to move up some to get Koufos, and with the 9 taking Randolph - only if Westbrook is not available.

I'd love to get the 2 or 3, however.

[Mustachio]

I dont think we are trading at all.


The Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha) are so enamored by the depth of Thursday's draft that they sought out a way to get a second pick to fill two needs for a guard and a big man.
New Charlotte coach Larry Brown told ESPN.com Wednesday night that after looking at the depth of their draft board from Nos. 1-25 he told president Michael Jordan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=175) that he needed another pick. Jordan said to go get one.


I think Larry just plans on staying at 9 and 20 and taking the two BPA's.

[TheBeagle]

I dont think we are trading at all.



I think Larry just plans on staying at 9 and 20 and taking the two BPA's.
I agree witht that. If Larry thinks there's something to be had at 20, then I guess I'm for it, but it really doesn't excite me all that much. Plus, hearing Andy Katz say we're looking at Augustin and Randolph at 9 makes me disappointed, but thank heavens it's not Brook Lopez!!!!! Seriously, I'd be floored if it was Augustin for reasons listed by others, most notably because we didn't work him out, and I'm sure he was available to work out.

I'm all for packaging 9 and 20 to move up, but I think those guys at the top (Miami and Minnesota) are just a bunch of bullshit artists and are going to be asking for too much and will stay pat anyway.

At this point in the roller coaster ride that has been the pre draft season, I'm only going to be thrilled if we leave with Russell, Mayo, Bayless or Beasely; I'm going to be pissed beyond belief only if we draft Fairyboy Lopez; and even though there will be some disappointment with Augustin or Randolph at 9, I'm pretty much "eh" to the rest, not that there's anything wrong with the others players, it's just as a fan, I'm enamored with the top 4 I listed. Still, 9 will turn out to be a solid pick for us and help us out for years to come......as long as it's not LOPEZ!!!!!

[kickazzz2000]

How would you like to set up the buffet for the Cats with McMay and Love on the same team. The Cats grocery bill would skyrocket. Maybe they choose Randolf over Love in that case because Randolf doesnt eat. He looks like Dhalism off Street fighter 2.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical:

[peapod]

My best guess would be Westbrook @ 9, Hibbert @ 20, and Hendrix @ 38.

If this happens, we get solid backcourt defense, and 25 minutes a game-with half of that in relief of Felton at point. If Westbrook is gone, Gordon- who can provide instant offense, and help bring the ball upcourt occassionally.

Hibbert can guard the big monsters when we slow down to Larry's half court game. Hendrix can get a few minutes backing up May, Dudley, Crash, and could move up if there are injuries.

If the plan is to get Hibbert @ 20, then I don't see us taking Brook Lopez. If the sky falls, and Love is available at 9, take him of course, and pick up the best available guard at 38.

But, maybe the FO does want to make a big splash, and trade up the 3 or 5. But only for Beasley or Mayo.

[Alex]

Good trade whether we trade up or not, it's still a good trade. Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow.

[Proudiddy]

Man the more stories that have come out since the trade, the more wind has been taken out of the sails... I was really hoping we make a move up and try to get Beasley or Mayo. We can bring in Mayo as a PG and he could end up starting. Beasley obviously would start. I don't like the feeling that at #9 we would end up just getting a player that everyone else didn't want. I feel like a projected top 5 guy (Love, Bayless, Westbrook, Gordon) will not fall to us at 9. I really feel like we needed to draft a guy that is going to give us national exposure and make us a winner (like Beasley or Mayo) if we have the opportunity.

If we stay where we're at, we're just gonna draft a couple of good role players, and although they may surprise, that doesn't sit well with me.

[Dlpz87]

Hang in there Prouddiddy....

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/55292

[Wanderlai]

I hope theres another step if "we" move up to 5 with an eye on Beasley. If "we" keep 9 and pick up 5 for taking on Cardinals contract and maybe May/20 I'd do that but I wouldnt trade Ammo and 9 for 5. It's be nice if we could have 5 and 9 let alone 5, 9, and 20. Westbrook isnt worth trading 9 and someone to move to 5. If the Cats are doing this, they have to get a starter so it has to be Love, Mayo, or Beasley.

[Slam]

I hope theres another step if "we" move up to 5 with an eye on Beasley. If "we" keep 9 and pick up 5 for taking on Cardinals contract and maybe May/20 I'd do that but I wouldnt trade Ammo and 9 for 5. It's be nice if we could have 5 and 9 let alone 5, 9, and 20. Westbrook isnt worth trading 9 and someone to move to 5. If the Cats are doing this, they have to get a starter so it has to be Love, Mayo, or Beasley.

The only way I would be ok with moving up the the #5 would be if this happend:

We trade #9 and McMay to the Grizzlies for the #5 and Cardinal.

Then at #5 we draft Bayless.

Then we trade Bayless, Ammo and the #20 to the Heat for Beasley.

[Wanderlai]

The only way I would be ok with moving up the the #5 would be if this happend:

We trade #9 and McMay to the Grizzlies for the #5 and Cardinal.

Then at #5 we draft Bayless.

Then we trade Bayless, Ammo and the #20 to the Heat for Beasley.

Agreed!

Maybe we do that and get to 5 and then trade with the Wolves for 3 by trading 5 and Ammo.

[murphman]

Agreed!

Maybe we do that and get to 5 and then trade with the Wolves for 3 by trading 5 and Ammo.

I'm not too sure May's trade value is enough to move us up 2 notches, much less 4.

[Slam]

I'm not too sure May's trade value is enough to move us up 2 notches, much less 4.

It's more about them getting our of Cardinal's contract than May's value. He's more a throw in with potential.

[Silverback47]

I think that there is little doubt that we will at least try to move up. Bob Johnson doesn't like that we aren't getting enough attention and revenue, and he cares more about his pocketbook than he does this team. We're definitely trying to move up now, and he may give up anything and everything to compete with other offers for Beasley. I just hope we don't have to give up two out of the Crash/Ammo/Felton trio.

[timang]

WHOA at the traffic over this thread! :eek: :biggrin:


i'm in going for the #3 spot, but anything less than that i would say pass. i don't see anything significant with trading up if guys named mayo & beasley isn't in the mix. we can get a good draftee at the 9th anyway IMO.

[dav7z]

We got two good picks now the only way we move up is to dump Expirings whitch i would do in a second. Unless its for Beasley then i might give up Wallace , and nine for Blount,
Marion turned down his quilifing offer of 17 milion. Wallace and that contract has to look real good about now. Hes not much if any drop off from Marion if any. set for five years at 9.5 milion a year.

[Wanderlai]

Funny, if Lawson didnt go back to UNC, wasnt he the likely pick for Denver at 20.

[swetooth9]

Funny, if Lawson didnt go back to UNC, wasnt he the likely pick for Denver at 20.

yes, yes it was

[ammofan]

That 1 piece added to a core of Felton, J-Rich and Okafor would get us to the playoffs and make us a top seed too.

Ammofan I'm taking from that comment you didn't watch much K-State Basketball this past season.

Actually i did. I know Beasley is a great, fantastic, potential HOF'er

[Dead_Real]

Actually i did. I know Beasley is a great, fantastic, potential HOF'er
And you would pass up on all of that for Kevin Love?

[Dunk]

Potential HOF'er? C'mon, he's played as much time in the NBA as me -- 0 minutes.