View Full Version : Raymond Felton... Trade bait?
SWedd523
06-26-2008, 10:16 PM
What are the chances we package Felton with Frenchie or some other asset for a different big man from the draft now that we have Augustin?
Versus us keeping him and having a duo for the PG spot?
Oh my God. Talk about knee jerk reaction!!
That's the idea. We finally get a great PG rotation and you want to package our starter and more experienced one up and send him some where else?
SWedd523
06-26-2008, 10:23 PM
i REALLY wanted Bayless haha cut me some slack. If we're making him available why not trade him for another PG out there? We have a history with Golden State so why not throw something out there for Monta Ellis?:D
99problems
06-26-2008, 10:24 PM
Well Chad Ford says that we've been shopping Felton all day....hope we don't move him though.
SWedd523
06-26-2008, 10:27 PM
I'd love to keep Felton, but it doesn't hurt to deal him if we have something appealing. We do still have a second round pick with a bigger and better defender option in Mario Chalmers, assuming he's still available
if we trade felts we have no point guard. the point is to have a rotation so we don't have to have an inferior player like jeff m. on the roster.
I seriously doubt LB goes into next season with two rookie PG's to lead the team.
SWedd523
06-26-2008, 10:41 PM
Still not acknowledging that we could trade Felton for a veteran PG.
I know its highly unlikely but there's still Monta Ellis out there and Dumars has made it known that Billups is on the market. And we all know LB's history with him.
GSW aren't trading Monta for Felts and the Pistons have a hard on for Stuckey.
SWedd523
06-26-2008, 10:57 PM
the Pistons have a hard on for Stuckey.
Which is exactly why we could entertain a trade for Billups. Especially with them Having Stucky be the future for the franchise.
I have no idea what we could do though, Felts and Ajinca for Billups? Then pick big with Tomic?
we just took another PG
I think Ray is gone.
Bobcat4Ever
06-26-2008, 11:03 PM
Ray is definitely on his way out...wow
SWedd523
06-26-2008, 11:04 PM
we just took another PG
I think Ray is gone.
Only if we get a veteran PG a la Billups
Weaver will be a good glue guy off the bench, but wouldn't CDR be better for us?
timang
06-26-2008, 11:09 PM
fuck it if we're trading ray. fuck it
fuck it if we're trading ray. fuck it
What has Felton done on the court in his three seasons to make you regret that we might be trading him?
timang
06-26-2008, 11:21 PM
What has Felton done on the court in his three seasons to make you regret that we might be trading him?
a LOT. and why the hell would they give up on him when we have moar incompetent players to start with? it's not like he's our biggest problem that we'd have to trade him. we needed bigs, not trading our present PG.
Wallace15
06-26-2008, 11:43 PM
I guess everyone forgot that during one of our draft workouts last week that LB stated that we had a really good PG already(Felts). There's absolutely no way we trade Ray unless we can somehow get someone like Billups in return which isn't very likely. Do you really think that LB, a guy who is hard on PG's and doesn't really like starting rookies go into the season with DJ as his starter? No way.
swetooth9
06-27-2008, 12:42 AM
PG: Ray/DJ
SG: JRich/Carroll/Weaver
doesn't look like we're trading Ray unless it's for something good
TheBeagle
06-27-2008, 01:48 AM
I guess everyone forgot that during one of our draft workouts last week that LB stated that we had a really good PG already(Felts). There's absolutely no way we trade Ray unless we can somehow get someone like Billups in return which isn't very likely. Do you really think that LB, a guy who is hard on PG's and doesn't really like starting rookies go into the season with DJ as his starter? No way.
This is a smart man! It makes absolutely NO sense to trade Raymond when you only have a rookie waiting in the wings. I don't see how drafting Weaver makes Raymond expendable; they don't even play the same position. Believe it or not, I'm starting to warm to the Smurf, but only as a backup to Raymond; I really think that's going to be a special position for us.
It makes me warm and happy that TheBeagle has warmed to DJ "Full House" Augustin, however much that may be.
He had some pretty impressive #s in the last two years and has lots of accolades. I agree that the Cousy award doesn't mean much, but I think being an all-american speaks volumes on his game in college. Hopefully LB will mold him into a fine NBA PG.
Yeah, and I'd be floored if Ray was gone. Starting a PG freshman with another fresh backup, nope. The only way Ray goes is if we get someone back in the trade who is a serviceable veteran PG along with the main piece of the trade, or if the main piece of the trade is a PG (billups).
ohara831
06-27-2008, 08:51 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2008/06/addition-of-danilo-could-be-th.html
Gone
Keetch
06-27-2008, 08:52 AM
Who cares?
Mustachio
06-27-2008, 09:00 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2008/06/addition-of-danilo-could-be-th.html
Gone
Big Slam said he talked to a bunch of Knicks fans and they said that reporter had little credibility. they said they didnt think it would happen.
SWedd523
06-27-2008, 11:17 AM
Ummm
Raymond Felton>>>>>>>>>>>>>>davidlee
Last time I checked we already have plenty of 3's and 4's. Aren't our issues in other spots in the rotation? Even if it IS just a rumor, we aren't exactly getting much in return for a starter.
ammofan
06-27-2008, 11:35 AM
I dont see how frank isola is not reliable....
ohara831
06-27-2008, 12:22 PM
Felton is no where near Lee in talent.
Felton is no where near Lee in talent.
You have GOT to be kidding me?
ohara831
06-27-2008, 12:32 PM
Knick fans are the most brutal fans in the NBA. They hate almost everybody. And who do they want more than anyone to start at PF? Lee. Over a 20 pt 10 reb jackass of a teammate, I agree. But over that kind of production? Knick fans have been clammoring for Lee to start, and all those fans ever care about it winning. So yeah, I think Lee would be great for Charlotte at PF - better than Felton at PG for Charlotte. Now, would I rather have Boozer or Jamison? yes. Would I rather have Odom? No.
I like Love. I think he's a good baller and will have a good NBA career. Nothing amazing, but good. I didn't want to really draft him though because of my fear that he would have been exposed by quicker, more athletic PF's (although he does use angles and his body well).
Lee is a much, much worse version of Love.
We have Lee and we would have the same, only worse, problems on D.
Felts, on the other hand, can run a team and has dimensions to his game.
If we are going to trade him for a PF, trade him for someone like B.Wright, not someone like Lee!
Dead_Real
06-27-2008, 12:50 PM
Can Lee even score away from the basket? most times I watch him he gets his stats from put backs and allys good energy guy to have on your bench. And like I said last night I don't see how you think Odom wouldn't help us but you think David Lee would be such a much better fit.
ohara831
06-27-2008, 12:57 PM
Lee plays with passion and agressiveness. Odom is too passive for my liking. Now, I would love to see us do a deal with GSW and get Wright - yes. I can see them trading Barron to Detroit and wanting Ray over there, so that could be done. I know Wright is still a year away, but his first year of progress was at the expense of GSW. If we capitalize on it now, it would be a great move.
dav7z
06-27-2008, 01:40 PM
Trade Felton for Brandon Wright? Makes sence after the draft. Us taking D.J and them taking Randolph. Davis saying he might be leaving.
I like Felton way to much to be fair to trade him at all ,so i guess im over valued him.
Because i think Felton is better than Lee and Wright. I all so think he he might be our most hard nozed toughest player . T he little heart the team has. I really thought we was solid at starting point guard befor this draft.
Dead_Real
06-27-2008, 01:48 PM
Lee plays with passion and agressiveness. Odom is too passive for my liking. Now, I would love to see us do a deal with GSW and get Wright - yes. I can see them trading Barron to Detroit and wanting Ray over there, so that could be done. I know Wright is still a year away, but his first year of progress was at the expense of GSW. If we capitalize on it now, it would be a great move.
Thing with Odom is I think he doesn't want to be a "star" but he could be IMHO and he'd give us consistent scoring in our front court. Felton for Wright? maybe it sounds good on paper but I don't like the thought of DJ starting (atleast right now if he outplays Felton and earns it fine) but I rather keep Felton and try to shop McMay or Ammo for a proven PF.
I rather keep Felton and try to shop McMay or Ammo for a proven PF.
Teams wont take our junk for a proven player
Dead_Real
06-27-2008, 05:36 PM
Teams wont take our junk for a proven player
True :( but I wonder if Portland would do Morrison for Channing Frye straight up.
ohara831
06-27-2008, 05:43 PM
Why not the Clippers? They grabbed Gordon for a SG, but still need a PG. They have Al Thorton behind Brand and may trade him if Brand stays. Smush Parker is cheap, but he ran the show in LA a couple years under a tough coach. We only need a vet PG to hold the fort for a while why DJ gets his feet wet. Thorton holds some promise at PF, more than Channing Frye I think. Something to consider?
Dead_Real
06-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Why not the Clippers? They grabbed Gordon for a SG, but still need a PG. They have Al Thorton behind Brand and may trade him if Brand stays. Smush Parker is cheap, but he ran the show in LA a couple years under a tough coach. We only need a vet PG to hold the fort for a while why DJ gets his feet wet. Thorton holds some promise at PF, more than Channing Frye I think. Something to consider?
Thornton is a stud and would be worth a shot but it might be a little hard to pry him away from the Clippers after a impressive rookie year who knows though. I'm not really a fan of Smush Parker though.
swetooth9
06-27-2008, 06:08 PM
Why not the Clippers? They grabbed Gordon for a SG, but still need a PG. They have Al Thorton behind Brand and may trade him if Brand stays. Smush Parker is cheap, but he ran the show in LA a couple years under a tough coach. We only need a vet PG to hold the fort for a while why DJ gets his feet wet. Thorton holds some promise at PF, more than Channing Frye I think. Something to consider?
I'd love Al Thornton...he's a beast...not sure how good his post game is, but he can score pretty well. Not sure if he's a good post defender though...looks more like a josh smith-type player than a normal down-low post guy...
i don't want smush parker though...he doesn't seem to be a very good PG
i think we'll stick with felton unless DJ miraculously shows chris paul-like talent ...Felton's gonna start for us next season while Dj learns...i think we'll be fine at the guard spots...we just need a low post offensive player
and i'd much rather have odom than david lee...the only reason odom seems passive is because kobe bryant is on his team...kobe expects perfection from his teammates and gets on them if they don't make their shots
if odom was in charlotte, he would have a pretty big role as the main low post scorer
ohara831
06-27-2008, 06:52 PM
I was only throwing in Smush Parker as a vet PG who could handle things briefly until DJ got his feet wet. I dont want someone with a high price tag or who will be here for 3-4 years. DJ and Weaver will handle things after a year. They may do the deal needing a PG to go with Gordon and if they pony up the $ for Brand, losing Thorton wont kill them. I think Thorton has tons of upside and would love for him to be our PF
SWedd523
06-27-2008, 07:14 PM
The Clippers are not getting rid of Thornton. He's really blossomed into what they want to build their franchise around. I don't really like Smush Parker either, nor do I like Odom, or Lee.
Brand on the other hand is looking to be dealt. Wasn't he the guy Miami was going to trade for and give up Beasly? He has some questions about his health though coming off injury, but if we could pry him away for say Felts and Ammo or McMay then why don't we spring for that? Brand is a proven contributor and would be great for us.
I would love having Rasheed Wallace as well, he has that crazy streak that could really put some iron on the collective bobcats nuts. He's a possibility due to his history with LB, but I have no clue what we could give for him.
swetooth9
06-27-2008, 07:54 PM
The Clippers are not getting rid of Thornton. He's really blossomed into what they want to build their franchise around. I don't really like Smush Parker either, nor do I like Odom, or Lee.
Brand on the other hand is looking to be dealt. Wasn't he the guy Miami was going to trade for and give up Beasly? He has some questions about his health though coming off injury, but if we could pry him away for say Felts and Ammo or McMay then why don't we spring for that? Brand is a proven contributor and would be great for us.
I would love having Rasheed Wallace as well, he has that crazy streak that could really put some iron on the collective bobcats nuts. He's a possibility due to his history with LB, but I have no clue what we could give for him.
I would do that deal for Brand immediately, but that deal doesn't look realistic (to me at least). And didn't Sheed say he was going to retire after this coming up season (something about being old and tired, and wanting to spend time with his kids).
SWedd523
06-27-2008, 08:44 PM
And didn't Sheed say he was going to retire after this coming up season (something about being old and tired, and wanting to spend time with his kids).
To me that sounds like code for, trade me I don't want to be here anymore. He isn't the type of player that is satisfied with losing in the Conference Finals. He's only 33 I believe, he could pull a Shaq and be reinvigorated with a trade to a new franchise (namely the Bobcats:biggrin:)
ohara831
06-27-2008, 10:25 PM
I just dont see Brand as an option. We dont have the $ to pay him. We've got to get Okafor resigned and there will be nothing with which to pay Brand. If we could, I'd be for it.
SWedd523
06-27-2008, 10:34 PM
I just dont see Brand as an option. We dont have the $ to pay him. We've got to get Okafor resigned and there will be nothing with which to pay Brand. If we could, I'd be for it.
How much are we below the cap? I thought we were below enough to where we had room to sign one big name. I'm probably wrong so forgive me if I am:)
Mustachio
06-28-2008, 11:48 AM
How much are we below the cap? I thought we were below enough to where we had room to sign one big name. I'm probably wrong so forgive me if I am:)
we are below the cap... and have a better situation than most teams.
unfortunately its still not enough to sign him straight up.
In the NBA they try to make it easier for the contract holding team to keep their player.
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