Sean May + Gerald Wallace for Carlos Boozer

[ammofan]

There is a rumor circulating around RealGM. THERE IS NO SOURCE other than a guy that was at a wedding. I am not gonna explain it but you can read it here:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=824081



Now that I think about it I have heard absolutley nothing about Sean May in Vegas working out. I think this rumor does have credibility. Remember I went to his basketball camp at Providence Day School last year and I heard alot of stuff straight from Sean May. He does talk alot and he lets everyone know whats going on....You now, in a Sean may kinda way. ;)

Anyway, if this falls through we could compete for Eastern Conference finals. I truly do believe that if this goes down we are better than the Cavs, Wizards, Hawks and Magic.

Our lineup would be:

1. Felton/Augustin
2. Richardson/Carroll/ *Weaver if signed
3. Morrison/Dudley
4. BOOZER/ Ajinca
5. Okafor/ Mohammed/ *Hollins if signed


Lets Go!

[Muttley]

To add fuel to the fire, I noticed while reading about SL practice in the Fayetteville Observer (http://www.fayobserver.com/article_ap?id=125845) article that someone else had posted earlier that Raymond and Jason were watching practice:


Gs Jason Richardson and Raymond Felton watched the midday practice from the stands. They're in town for individual workouts with the coaching staff.

That's great about those two being there and already getting into workouts with the staff, but wasn't Gerald supposed to be in town too? Why would he just not show up? hmmm...

[Proudiddy]

I thought I had read an article about May going through drills with the team in Vegas... I was wrong. The article mentioned that he planned to fly out to Vegas the next week to go through drills, but nothing written this week has mentioned May being there that I remember. I find it hard to believe that the Jazz would let Carlos go for May and Wallace though. But, I think it's a great deal for us both ways. Gerald is one of my favorite players in the NBA, and he and J-Rich are neck and neck on our team... I'd hate to see him go, but if it does go through we couldn't complain. May will never be right...

[ammofan]

Wow muttley nice find. I was gonna say something about that but I wasn't sure if Gerald was there or not...

[DirtyU11]

I find it hard to believe that the Jazz would let Carlos go for May and Wallace though.

I agree that this is the only thing that worries me. Of all the trades talked about this offseason this is the one I like the most for our team. Someone said that his defense is bad? I could care less about that. We need an OFFENSIVE threat in the post. Mek can take the other teams scoring big and now the only time Ray gets him the ball is when he's in position to dunk.;)

[Slam]

I find it hard to believe that the Jazz would let Carlos go for May and Wallace though.

Maybe not if you consider his contract status and the risk of him walking for nothing after next season.

[spectre]

They think he's going to opt out next year and bolt for Miami, and they'll have the space with Marion's deal off the books.

Would Miami still want Booz with Beasley in the house now though? Someone has to play defense.

It'd be a risk, but I think we'd have to take it if Utah would bite. I sure hate sending Crash to Salt Lake though...he doesn't deserve that.

[Dead_Real]

^They could play B-Easy at the 3 and Boozer at the 4 and shop Marion if need be.

Maybe not if you consider his contract status and the risk of him walking for nothing after next season.
You beat me too it I remember reports of Boozer really wanting to play in Miami when he becomes a free agent next year.

The deal would be ok but I don't like the thought of Dudley or Ammo being starters for us to be honest.

[spectre]

The deal would be ok but I don't like the thought of Dudley or Ammo being starters for us to be honest.

:yeahthat:

[ammofan]

and more fuel to this fire is that Larry Brown seems to really like Dudley and Morrison and talks about them both alot in the interviews.

[jstar5]

I'd love this trade if we can work out a long-term deal w/ Booze prior to, but I don't really see that happening

[countryboi]

i like the deal but...i dont like the idea of renting boozer and then letting him walk for nothing....if meka signs a 1 year and we get boozer we could lose them both in one summer...and its back to the basement

[Slam]

The deal would be ok but I don't like the thought of Dudley or Ammo being starters for us to be honest.
Not the perfect solution, but I think it would be a stop gap. Who knows, maybe Weaver proves his worth and we start him at the 2 with Swish at the 3?

Either way, I'd love to sure up a front court of EO50 and Boozer. I think now we have a wing like Swish the other position would take care of itself eventually.

[spectre]

I'd love this trade if we can work out a long-term deal w/ Booze prior to, but I don't really see that happening

Y'know...why couldn't we do that? Isn't that similar to what Boston did with KG?

[dav7z]

It works out fine on the trade checker. I would do it even if he walks next year. Who knows he might like CHARLOTTE too . He played for DUKE. If we make that trade i could see us leting OK50 walk this year . Taking the money and signing a couple nice pieces around . J Rich and Boozer. But a OK50 , Boozer , Rich, Felton and a MLE could make some noize.

[Dead_Real]

Not the perfect solution, but I think it would be a stop gap. Who knows, maybe Weaver proves his worth and we start him at the 2 with Swish at the 3?

Either way, I'd love to sure up a front court of EO50 and Boozer. I think now we have a wing like Swish the other position would take care of itself eventually.
Dream Weaver could be a good option to man the starting 2 spot for us the way he plays D would make up for the lost of Crash. Also in the videos I've watched he seems to be able to handle the rock pretty damn good probably better than Crash and Swish. I'm with Jstar though I'd LOVE to do this if we can lock him up long term.

[Slam]

i like the deal but...i dont like the idea of renting boozer and then letting him walk for nothing....if meka signs a 1 year and we get boozer we could lose them both in one summer...and its back to the basement

True - but the flip side to that is we would have a BOAT load of cap room the summer of 2010 to go after Melo, Bosh, Wade or LBJ!

[countryboi]

True - but the flip side to that is we would have a BOAT load of cap room the summer of 2010 to go after Melo, Bosh, Wade or LBJ!

Cap room is overrated...if these teams are smart they lock up melo, bosh, wade and lbj wayyy before they hit the market....and we get left in the cold with blowing a load on a player like maggette like GSW did...blah

[jstar5]

Cap room is only as good as the free agents willing to accept it. We're a growing franchise and there is definitely potential but at this point (and in 2010) I believe ALL of the big name guys would take less to play in a bigger market.

We could pull a "Boston-KG" but would Boozer accept long-term guaranteed money and the security it offers or is the lure of UFA too much for the Bobcats to overcome?

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I like this...

[TheLegend]

He would be nice to have, who knows.

[kickazzz2000]

I brought this to the attention of a media contact I have. He said as far as he knows, May is in vegas "according to May's people." He had this conversation with one of May's reps yesterday.

I guess that doesn't preclude Sean from having gone to Utah for a physical.

For all we know, he coulda failed it and thats the end of it.

[ammofan]

huh, interesting

[Slam]

Cap room is overrated...

Unless you are up to your eyeballs in salary and have no room to move.



We're a growing franchise and there is definitely potential but at this point (and in 2010) I believe ALL of the big name guys would take less to play in a bigger market.

Tell Brand, the Sixers, Diddy and the Clipps that.

[jstar5]

Okay, so maybe not just bigger market but how about a more attractive market.

BD went to the Clips, to him LA is a more attractive market than GSW (and bigger even if it is the clips)

Brand went to a smaller market, but to be closer to family (reportedly) and to play in a weaker eastern conference on an up and coming team. I think if it was Charlotte offering Brand a deal of 5/82 and the clips offering 5/75 everybody would be talking about how much loyalty Brand has to the clippers right about now. Just my opinion though.

And with Miami, NJ, NY opening up cap space in 2010 I just don't see anyone choosing the Bobcats over those destinations or there current teams.

Too bad our rapper part owner is Nelly rather than Jay-Z

[Scottley Crue]

I can't sign up for this trade quick enough. I hate to see Crash go, but this is the type of talent I'd love to see the Bobcats acquire. If Okafor and Boozer can be locked up, that's a tremendous frontline. And I have no problem with Dudley starting at SF. I don't think Brown does, either. I imagine he sees a potential George Lynch type in Dudley. Hopefully this has some merit to it and can actually go through.

[BIGCatBobcat]

I like this trade too much. Obviously, if I, "Mr. Don't Trade Gerald" like this trade it's too good to be true. I don't know if Boozer = Gerald + a tub of goo that might or might not be able to play. I just don't know, but I like it. The Jazz would be lucky to have Gerald.

[MattD]

yep, I think I would have to do it. Boozer is a big walk away risk, but with Larry and MJ running the show, we could make a bang in the playoffs and maybe he would want to stay. Do it. Dudley starting at 3, or hell carroll isnt even a bad 2 guard for an additional deep threat to space the floor with swish at 3... interesting interesting

[spectre]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=824216

Utah fans love it.

[BIGCatBobcat]

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=824216

Utah fans love it.

the biggest thing i see:
May: 23, 35, 0 (2007 season)

Whoa, I didnt realize it was that little.

Also, they mentioned something about a show there and a guy ripped it to shreds, we may crack on WFNZ but seriously could you imagine sports talk radio in SLC? You'd have to report stuff we (message board rumors) throw out there just to have something to talk about.

[ziggy]

Ziggy officially approves of this deal :rock:
The thought of having Boozer and Okafor at PF and C practically gives me wood..... And I'm man enough to admit that.

[Dunk]

Ziggy officially approves of this deal :rock:
The thought of having Boozer and Okafor at PF and C practically gives me wood..... And I'm man enough to admit that.

As long as we don't get more pics of you in boxers, I'm good. :)

[ziggy]

As long as we don't get more pics of you in boxers, I'm good. :)

LOL, that "lucky boxers" pic was somebody off of google images:biggrin:
Not me.


Edit: For those that are wondering what the heck we're talking about, here is the link http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showpost.php?p=89362&postcount=10

[kickazzz2000]

LOL, that "lucky boxers" pic was somebody off of google images:biggrin:
Not me.


Edit: For those that are wondering what the heck we're talking about, here is the link http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showpost.php?p=89362&postcount=10



:deadbanana:


Adding Brewer in the deal still works in trade-checker. The Jazz fans do seem to be going nuts over this...a little more than I thought. Maybe Brewer or Milsap evens it up a bit...

[countryboi]

:deadbanana:


Adding Brewer in the deal still works in trade-checker. The Jazz fans do seem to be going nuts over this...a little more than I thought. Maybe Brewer or Milsap evens it up a bit...

man you add brewer and this trade is a steal...come on you dont trade a big for small...plus wallace and may are like one injury away from watching the nba on tv like the rest of us....shit i dont even need brewer i will take c.j or almond

[Wallace15]

I love Gerald but if we could get Boozer and Brewer out of Wallace and May, that would be awesome and I would pull the trigger on that. Although, I might be a little hesitant for the fact that he could possibly walk out on us after 1 year, but if this deal was to somehow go down than I'd hope to God we could get him to sign an extension with us.

[dnbman]

I love Gerald but if we could get Boozer and Brewer out of Wallace and May, that would be awesome and I would pull the trigger on that. Although, I might be a little hesitant for the fact that he could possibly walk out on us after 1 year, but if this deal was to somehow go down than I'd hope to God we could get him to sign an extension with us.

Well, if he didn't sign an extension, we'd at least have a lot of cap room for one of the better off season's in recent memory. Even though other teams would also have big cap room, every horse is going to find a stable somewhere. If we prove to be a competitive, hard working team like Phili, I'm sure we could lure a strong FA who cares more about a ring than a few million dollars.

[Dead_Real]

man you add brewer and this trade is a steal...come on you dont trade a big for small...plus wallace and may are like one injury away from watching the nba on tv like the rest of us....shit i dont even need brewer i will take c.j or almond
I'd love to pick up Morris Almond in this deal and have JSwish take him under his wing kid is a lights out shooter.

[jpf_v2.0]

I'd be happy with that deal assuming an extension could be worked out for Boozer ahead of time.

[countryboi]

I'd love to pick up Morris Almond in this deal and have JSwish take him under his wing kid is a lights out shooter.

man i loved him coming out of college...he can come here and get burn turn this guy in to a player

[shemtheo]

I'm a Jazz fan and I just signed up for your board cause I gotta ask a follow up question on this trade rumor.

First and foremost, I think Boozer for May and Wallace might be a good trade for us. We'd be losing low post scoring and rebounding, but we'd be better defensively. Both Booz and Okur are good offensive players, but neither is a shot blocker, and you can't really be a contender without any shot blockers in the paint. Trading Booz for May and Wallace would allow us to move AK back to the four spot (he becomes our shot blocker in the paint again) and Wallace takes AK's spot as our stat-filling SF. But like I said, we'd be losing some scoring and rebounding.

So my question is this- what would you guys say if we through in Jarron Collins, Jason Hart, and Morris Almond and you guys throw Raymond Felton into the deal. My understanding is that you draft Augustine cause you're shopping Felton anyways.

The reason we'd do this is because we have too many young talented SG's, Collins is in the way of letting our two young centers get experience, and Hart doesn't get along with Jerry Sloan. All four of these Jazz players just have one year left on their contracts by the way.

Boozer, Collins, Almond, and Hart

for

May, Wallace, and Felton

(And yes, it still works under the salary cap rules) What do you think?

[BRNC]

I think that a media source would have reported May working out for Utah....would have been hard to keep it unknown. As for Felton...we only had one pg on the roster so drafting DJ does not mean that Felton is being shopped. This would be a good trade for both teams but does not seem to have any real substance...too bad.

[dnbman]

Boozer, Collins, Almond, and Hart

for

May, Wallace, and Felton

(And yes, it still works under the salary cap rules) What do you think?

As much as I want Boozer, I wouldn't feel comfortable trading two important pieces that will likely be here for years for a piece that might only be here one year.

We drafted Augustine for depth and insurance more than to take over for Felton. He's still a very important piece of the puzzle. Trading him would make us incredibly thin at pg and put a lot of pressure on Augustine to be the man on day 1.

I'd probably have to pass on that trade.

[spectre]

No on adding Felts.

IF (and of course this is a big "if") this trade went down what about trying to snag Dooling to help on the wings. He's not going back to the Magic and he'd bring defense and energy to the 2 spot...plus he can log minutes at the 1.

We don't know how it'll play out with Weaver, but regardless I like the idea of adding more options.

Maybe go after him anyway even if we don't do this trade?

[chabber]

That's a good idea spectre even if we don't do the trade.

If we did land Boozer somehow, Dooling would be a good option but so would Posey who could split time between SG/SF, provide some tough perimeter defense on the wings and spread the floor. That of course depends on if he would rather have a bigger contract and ample playing on a team with a chance to go deep or continue chasing rings.

So we'd could end up with maybe one or the other.

Felton/Augustine
JRich/(Dooling)/Carroll
(Posey)/Dudley/Ammo
Boozer/Davidson/Ajinça
Okafor/Mohammed

[spectre]

I would LOVE to get Posey! I even considered trading for him last year when he was making 8 million plus a year. Haven't really thrown him in the mix becasue I thought he'd be wanted (and he is), but it appears the "winner" will be the team who offers at least 4 years at the MLE.

Better than Dooling (but IMO Dooling ain't bad either).

[MattD]

If we trade crash, I would love Posey to fill in, though I think JD is almost ready to be a starter in his own light.

Felton/DJ
Jrich/Carroll/Weaver
Posey/JD/ Morrison
Boozer/Davidson
Emeka/Nazr/Ajinca/Hollins

I wouldnt be afraid, or surprised, if we dont get him though, so

Felton/DJ
Jrich/Carroll/Weaver
JD/Morrison
Boozer/Davidson
Emeka/Nazr/Ajinca/Hollins

im fine with that too. pretty solid

[chabber]

Yeah he'd be hard to get but with our team making a major change like that and as long as we're willing to pay the money I think we could be an option for him at least.

Still the whole point is we need another wing defender somewhere. Weaver may turn into that guy but Dooling would be a + in my book too. As long as we're not banking on a certain amount of cap space in a particular year which hasn't been the case and doesn't look likely right now then I say go for it.

[aznjustice14]

From bobcats.com blog:
"The Bobcats were thrilled to have landed Kyle Weaver with the 38th overall pick, and he’s looked solid in camp thus far. He has the ability to play anywhere from the one to the three and looks comfortable in all those roles. What has been most impressive about Weaver has been the way he’s practiced. He fits into exactly what Brown envisions of his players, in that he’s playing hard every time he steps on the court. He’s not afraid to dive into the stands for a loose ball, mix it up with players bigger than him or attack the rim to bring down a rebound."

"He’s not afraid to dive into the stands for a loose ball, mix it up with players bigger than him or attack the rim to bring down a rebound. "
That quote stands out to me since that would be a great replacement for what we lose in Wallace. He wouldn't be the starter over Dudley or Morrison but would be a great energy guy minus the dunks and would be a better backup in the SF position whenever we need the defense since dudley and morrison are a bit too slow for some of the faster SFs

[Slam]

So my question is this- what would you guys say if we through in Jarron Collins, Jason Hart, and Morris Almond and you guys throw Raymond Felton into the deal.

You just got greedy and made us blink.

[Slam]

Bonnell and a Bobcats spokesman is saying that McMay has been no where near Utah of late and that the rumor is bogus:

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/07/debunking-a-sea.html

[Muttley]

Bonnell and a Bobcats spokesman is saying that McMay has been no where near Utah of late and that the rumor is bogus:

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/07/debunking-a-sea.html

Just read it, and you beat me to posting it!

What Bonnell says in the blog is not anywhere near enough to make me any more skeptical of the trade actually going down. It's already well-established that it's conjecture. The Bobcats saying it's not true doesn't mean it's not true, and Bonnell in no way convinces me that the trade doesn't make sense.

Still, it's probably not true.

[kickazzz2000]

Honestly, a. since when has a team official denying something been a reason to believe him. and b. how many times has bonnell been wrong?

Didn't Bonnell say there wouldn't be a Jason Richardson trade?

Didn't the team say they were trying to move up in this years draft?

It MAY or MAY not happen (pun) but what was said today has no bearing on the truth.

[chabber]

I definitely agree that it doesn't make any sense for the Jazz. I havn't understood their fans eagerness to trade Boozer for Wallace this whole time past the fact that he may leave them when his contract is up. The players playing out of position can be annoying as we can atest to but as good as the Jazz are I wouldn't be trading away a 20/10 player and changing the make up of the team that way. I'd be trying to move other guys.

[Loh_14]

It would be a fantastic prospect if it happens, Boozer and Okafor in the frontcourt .. emm :rolleyes:. I don't see it happening though, I don't see why Utah Jazz would want to get rid of one of their core players regardless of his contract. I honestly think we would gain alot more than the Jazz in this deal but like I said I don't see it happening.:(

[WAM9]

^The deal would be ok but I don't like the thought of Dudley or Ammo being starters for us to be honest.

Does that bother you any more than having Muhammad, Hollins or Ajinca in the starting line-up?

[Dead_Real]

Does that bother you any more than having Muhammad, Hollins or Ajinca in the starting line-up?
Ajinca has the potential to start if he continues to gain weight/bulk up he at least he has basketball skills unlike Ryan Hollins who is just a freak athlete. As for Nazr Mohammed he could step right into a center starting role if we lost Okafor. Dudley and Ammo can ball don't get me wrong but they are not starting material guys on this level IMO (neither is Hammer) but with that said they will still contribute and help make our bench stronger next year. If we shopped Crash for a PF looking at our bench along with Ajinca I think Weaver has the most upside to be a starter in the near future for us. Mainly because of his potential to be a lock down defender in the NBA, pretty athletic and would put another player with great ball handling skills in the starting line up.

[WAM9]

I'm not saying that Morrison or Dudley are perfect options, just that they are better than Hollins or Ajinca (at this point in his career). Muhammed certainly is probably the best suited of the 5 to start right now. He is certainly a center though and not the best fit in the frontcourt with Okafor. Neither can guard the perimeter 4's of the league.

My point was simply in response to the statement that if we made the trade either Morrison or Dudley would start. If we don't make the trade (for Boozer or another PF, then we would be starting someone at either PF or C who isn't really starting material in this league. Muhammed could do the job, but he is more suited to be coming off the bench in my opinion. Hollins is not capabale of doing the job (although Brown's coaching gives me hope) and although I'll reserve judgement on Ajinca until at least after the summer league, he certainly doesn't look to be physically or mentally ready to start in the NBA at this point.That leaves May who we can't really talk about until he proves he can play more than 50-60 games in a season (or maybe 20-30:).

Morrison still has loads of upside and Dudley is a very, very smart player. With a coach like Brown, all the players should change (hopefully for the better). I'm excited to see how he can impact our young roster.

First game in Vegas is at 6:00pm tonight (I think). Go Bobcats!

[GoBobs]

pass........