Higgins still has hope for a long term deal

[dav7z]

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/728690.html


I say we just offer him the 12 milion . Get it over with and work from thair.
If he turns it down . Go and sign another big ,unless we find good value in a sign and trade.




http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/07/getting-fair-va.html

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http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/728690.html


I say we just offer him the 12 milion . Get it over with and work from thair.
If he turns it down . Go and sign another big ,unless we find good value in a sign and trade.

Andrew Bogut's contract really screwed things up for us.
In my opinion its looking more and more like we won't be able to get him locked up this off season.

[BIGCatBobcat]

I agree with spectre's comment on bonnell's blog. The FO will blink and offer him a big contract with incentives a la Bogut. Bogut screwed the whole thing up. He's not as good as Okafor but the Bucks just blew their whole wad on him for some reason. Something needs to happen soon, I don't need this hanging over football season and possibly every day during the season next year. But you know what? It won't...thanks Bobcats front office way to be closers.

[spectre]

The Bobcats need to think about in which direction they can go to get/keep the best value. S&T most likely will get us crap and a S&T during Mek being under the qualifying offer would be even worse.

They could let him just walk, maybe even help a team out and get a pittance 2nd round pick like Seattle did with Lewis and a nice trade exception and try and play in Free Agency. Thing with that is there are a few teams that'll have space, so there'll be competition. LAC lost their franchise player and then got an aging Camby in return. A big TE is a nice thing to have, but a double/double young big who just might break out under a REAL coach is a whole lot nicer.

Pay him 5/60. Laden it with incentives like Bogut's...hell, make it 15 over 5 in incentives, because with those we all win. If he doesn't do well he gets a fair wage; if he does great then he's rewarded for that too. In two years that salary will be average and will be VERY tradable if we're ever so inclined. IMO this is the best possible return of all choices.

And they even get to brag about how they take care of their players and will pay their Free Agents.

[dvdbumpus]

Worst case scenario he signs the QO in which we'll likely trade him before the end of the season. Why don't we just signed Biedrins to an offer Golden State won't match? They're tied up now with Ellis and Maggette signed, as with others.

[spectre]

Because we don't have the capspace to sign Biedrens to an offer sheet. The ONLY way to make a play at Biedrens would be to flat out renounce Mek.

[dvdbumpus]

Because we don't have the capspace to sign Biedrens to an offer sheet. The ONLY way to make a play at Biedrens would be to flat out renounce Mek.

sign and trade?

[tamburello]

sign and trade?

Then we have to convince Biedrins that we'll offer him more than Russian clubs. And after doing that, we have to convince Warriors FO with the pieces we will send. For example, they would never accept to take back Carroll, since they have abundant of shooters and Matt's long contract. Forget about this.

Okafor situation ties us as hell. We can't look at other FA's to improve us. But is it only us? Look at other RFA teams, Bulls, Hawks, Sixers even Cavs etc. They are also at the same position. They just want to solve their own problems in order to move. When they had no cap space, they are stuck just like us. This situation will be solved of course. But when solved, I'm worried that it would be too late to pursue other FA's.

I'm wondering if Okafor's fate would be like Varejao's: Missing a month of season, and agreeing a MLE.

[dnbman]

Okafor situation ties us as hell. We can't look at other FA's to improve us. But is it only us? Look at other RFA teams, Bulls, Hawks, Sixers even Cavs etc.

Could any of those teams create enough cap room to make a pitch to Okafor by not not signing/renouncing their FAs? I wonder if that's another reason Okafor's people want to wait.

[spectre]

The only team I can think of is Atlanta (discounting Memphis...they have the cap but not the inclination), but they'd have to renounce Chil AND Smith. On another forum I was discussing a way to swap the two. If ATL renounced Chil they'd be under just enough to cover the difference.

Not that ATL would want to do that.

[tamburello]

The only team I can think of is Atlanta (discounting Memphis...they have the cap but not the inclination), but they'd have to renounce Chil AND Smith. On another forum I was discussing a way to swap the two. If ATL renounced Chil they'd be under just enough to cover the difference.

Not that ATL would want to do that.
I can't think of another option, either. Denver's trade exception could play a role on this RFA business, however whom they want is a question mark.

By the way, I've learned something new thanks to the holy salary book. You cannot trade BYC players in exchange for each other. Their values would match, but the incoming BYC player would count as the contract value he has. i.e, If we sign Okafor for 12 million and Sixers sign Iguodala 12 million, they cannot be traded for each other. Because we have to accept 6 million contract back, not 12 million. The opposite also valid for Sixers side. I mean, that's obvious, however a little confusing :) I just wanted to share.

[spectre]

Yeah, IMO they ought to fix that, make an exception if it's a straight up swap.

It can be done if a team has space though. In a hypothetical ATL/CHA swap, we'd have to send them salaries in the 125% range of Smith's contract (probably Ammo or Hammer with Mek) and they could absorb that with the money they're under the cap with.

Thing is, we have no "bad" contracts. Nazr maybe, but we're short on Cs. Hammer because of the length, but both those guys are only in the 5-6 range. Whatever we did we'd still be sending out more value than we're getting back (unless some feel Mek + one of those guys = Smith).

[Slam]

By the way, I've learned something new thanks to the holy salary book. You cannot trade BYC players in exchange for each other.

That's crazy because by definition of the BYC rule, each team sending out a BYC player for another BYC player would only, in theory, be getting half the money back that they would be sending out - thus meeting the requirements.

Crazy I tells 'ya!

[tamburello]

That's crazy because by definition of the BYC rule, each team sending out a BYC player for another BYC player would only, in theory, be getting half the money back that they would be sending out - thus meeting the requirements.

Crazy I tells 'ya!

Crazy, but somehow consistent considering the explanation of it:

When comparing salaries for trade, teams use their own player's BYC value and the other player's full salary, even if the other player is also BYC. Here is a simple example -- two $5 million players, both of whom are re-signed (by teams over the cap) for $10 million. Both players become base year players whose base year amount is $5 million (50% of the new salary). If the teams want to trade these players for each other they compare their player's base year amount to the other player's full salary. So each team can take back a maximum of 125% plus $100,000 of their player's $5 million base year amount, or $6.35 million. They compare $6.35 million to the other player's full $10 million. $10 million is way too high, so this trade can't be done, even though the players' actual salaries match exactly.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73