Our Options For a Starting PF

[DirtyU11]

On realgm some people think that Walter Hermann would be a nice fit to fill our void at PF. i like that idea but i cant remember if he was good at pf or not when he played for us. i thought he primarily played the SF or when Vincent was coach the bench. I would love to have him if he can hold his own down low as he would give us that shooting PF to pair with Mek. Other ideas are trading for Sean Williams or Channing Frye. i dont mind either of those as they upgrade the PF spot, but if we sign Hermann to the MLE we wouldnt have to trade anyone. Thoughts? Post any other options you guys have.

[Slam]

Fabio was REALLY good at denying the entry pass and playing really disciplined D. Problem was that if his man got the ball, they could burn past him because he has little lateral movement and isn't very athletic so he isn't a on ball or weak side shot blocker.

On offense he was great at shooting from the corners, making weak side cuts (I think he has a high BBIQ) and man, who could forget "the claw"!!!

All in all I would be ok with him - but Frye would be at the top of my list with Charlie V 2nd, Fabio 3rd and Sean Williams at the bottom.

[ammofan]

Bring Walter Back!

[mrtarheel]

Charlie V is the man for the job. He has the height at 6'11" and athleticism to be a good pf. His skills are good enough where he could open up the middle for GW and Okafor to rome. Has a descent outside shot even out to 3 land. His weight at 240 means he can't be pushed around once he is coached up alittle on d. The only thing is what will we have to give up to get him. His salary is only 3 mill and if he works out we could sign him to maybe a 6 to 8 mill deal next offseason hopefullly.

[Ghost Kat]

I have noticed alot of people on this site are fans of Herrmann. I have to say I think it's a bad idea to bring him back. If i'm correct he was traded to the Pistions. He didn't get much playing time and it's not like the Pistions bench get's an A. I honestly don't remember him ever doing anything productive other then hitting three's every now and then with that ugly jumper. I would throw popcorn at the TV if i ever saw him in a Bobcats jersey again.

[DirtyU11]

I like Channing Frye alot too and i found a trade that works in the checker.

Morrison and May for Frye and Webster

I dont know if they would accept that but Webster is a decent shooter and he has to be a better defender than Morrison. We might have to throw in a 2nd to get them to agree.

[BRNC]

IMO we need to evaluate what we have...so my preferancs would be to

1) Look long and hard at Davidson, May, and Hollins...Davidson imo shows more promise and looked OK to good at times...if McMay can't get with a conditioning program then he does not want to play in the NBA...Hollins frustrates me the most since he's a good ahtlete but plays out of control....

2) If we only have to give up parts that we don't mind giving up then my first choice is Frye and second Charlie V...but I'm not sure that Blazers or Bucks want to give either of these playes away....Fabio is not a PF and frankly would'nt be any better that what we have....I'd stay away from Williams myself...I like Lee defensively but he does not have the face-up game we need to go with EO50....

3) I'd like Weaver signed and have him and Ajinca in D-League all year and only brought back for emergencies...

4) Keep the 15th roster spot...see between now and the start of the season if we can make a 1 for 2 trade with a desperate team if and only if we get a PF better than what we have...

[Dead_Real]

I'm sipping that Sean Williams kool aid right now I think he'd be ideal for guarding the Bosh, Jamisons, Odoms of the NBA and I think Coach Brown would love how he plays the game. Maybe coming to Charlotte would be the best thing for him and I could see Brown settling him down ala Sheed/Iverson. Davidson impressed me so much in Summer League I kind of fell off the "sign Frye" bandwagon honestly very similar players.

Like I said in another thread nobody would drive on him, Mek or Crash check this out...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lhlI4QdGzo

[Muttley]

Wow, EB, good find on the highlight reel. That block Williams had on Chris Paul was the sickest of those, in my opinion. The guy had to readjust his entire upper body in midair to switch the side he was blocking on! That's just nasty. I don't know if he's really the PF solution, but I would feel better going into the season with him on the roster than I would with the folks we have right now.

If I'm not mistaken, his troubles at BC stemmed from his habit of puffing the green stuff. I think that can be fixed/toned-down with good influences like the Bobcats have on this team. Then again, he might fit right in here in Charlotte.

[jpf_v2.0]

I'm just not seeing anybody we could acquire at this point that would be a huge improvement over what we have.

It's not like we have a lot of valuable pieces that other teams would want that we can afford to part with.

[Dead_Real]

Wow, EB, good find on the highlight reel. That block Williams had on Chris Paul was the sickest of those, in my opinion. The guy had to readjust his entire upper body in midair to switch the side he was blocking on! That's just nasty. I don't know if he's really the PF solution, but I would feel better going into the season with him on the roster than I would with the folks we have right now.

If I'm not mistaken, his troubles at BC stemmed from his habit of puffing the green stuff. I think that can be fixed/toned-down with good influences like the Bobcats have on this team. Then again, he might fit right in here in Charlotte.
Yea I remember he got caught with weed and it hurt his stock tremendously around that time I remember many draft experts thought he would be a lottery pick before that incident. I wonder if the Nets are still interested in McMay right now I know they wanted him last year but it was reported we said no to the trade offer :mad:

[Mustachio]

the sean williams thing sounds good. but is there any realistic possibilty of getting him. hes not a free agent is he?

and send sean may in a trade would be a bad idea i think. then we are stuck with two offensively challenged big men. Granted... you would be hard pressed to score buckets inside with Sean Williams, Okafor and Crash guarding the paint. but still inside scoring is a priority to me in a search for the PF.

[BRNC]

Which is why I think we should stay away from him...we really need a more face-up PF...I think his defense is outstanding but we'll still have trouble getting points from 4-5 positions with duplicate players....

Everyone on realGM wants a starting PF (we all do) but how do you get one this year without giving up a part we need...or waiting for a team with too many contracts "give" us a player in a 1 for 2....?

[jpf_v2.0]

Everyone on realGM wants a starting PF (we all do) but how do you get one this year without giving up a part we need...or waiting for a team with too many contracts "give" us a player in a 1 for 2....?

Exactly!

I want a starting PF badly, but until that happens we really don't have any pieces that have value we can afford to part with.

[dav7z]

Portland has no need at all for Frye . With Olden coming back he will be lucky to get 10 mins per game burn . Portland is stacked with power fowards and is well in to the luxury tax so Frye should not be a hard plyer to get . Many trades work on the trade machine but Portland dont have many needs . I tHINK as long as they could save some cap money a trade is possable. So Morrison at about five milion looks to be a good trading piece

[jpf_v2.0]

Frye for Morrison doesn't work for Portland if they're looking to clear money/contracts. Morrison makes about a million more than Frye this year, and has a longer contract.

[ammofan]

Again, we dont need to trade a player we need (Morrison) for a PF.....just sign Fabio

[davcbow]

Again, we dont need to trade a player we need (Morrison) for a PF.....just sign Fabio

Id really like to have Herrmann back...:cool:

[dav7z]

Portland has a lot of players thet are not needed surely we could make a trade

[dav7z]

Again, we dont need to trade a player we need (Morrison) for a PF.....just sign Fabio



Fabio is NOT a power foward . We need a p/f . I don,t want to go another year with out one.
Fabio is 6.8 and only has jump shots not good on the boards
Frye has that jumper too . Hes 6.11 and can defend inside and could rebound. Hes a Larry Brown type player good on the defencive side with a high basketball IQ.
If its Morrison , Dudley, May , Davidson , Hollins Who ever . Some one needs to be traded for a power foward[Who don't start]
Charlie V would all so work but i think he would be harder to get now thet Yi is gone.

[BRNC]

I agree...Fabio is listed as a SF for a reason...but he really is another tweener...and that's not what we need...if we're going to try someone (and I'm a Frye fan) I'd like them to be a legit PF with a face-up game and at least enough defense that LB won't run them out of town...

My feeling was that if we were going to get Frye it was going to be on draft night...or if Portland really wants to move contracts we have a chance...but then what do we have to take back with Frye and will Portland be satisfied with an expiring like Hollins or May?

[BRNC]

The talk before/during the draft was Portland wanted to move Jack, (which they did), Frye, and Outlaw....Frye-Outlaw is a 7 million investment...if we send our cheapest contract tof not need (Hollins) we have to bite 6 million...what does that do to our cap and who thinks that Portland will really make this deal?

[BIGCatBobcat]

What about Dudley. I know he's short, 6'7", but he's 225. He had 3.9 rebounds per game playing 19 mins? I mean that's solid. I don't want to say it, I really don't. HIGH BBIQ, ok sorry, you say Dudley you say high BBIQ, if JDBBIQ rolled off the tongue a little better that'd be his nickname. Dudley, Davidson, hope May can roll his big ass out there and play, hope for the best in Ajinca. I say we're set. I loved Banana Hands, he was like having a mascot play but he's not a starting anything let alone PF. He had no chance in Detroit. I think Dumars, like a lot of people, had him on his fantasy team or got beat when he went on that string late in the 06-07 season with the 3's. He's not starting talent. His defense was excruciating to watch. Just run around get that freakin first basemen's glove up in peoples faces run run spaz when you get near somebody. How he didn't get more fouls called on him I don't know. I think PF is as good as it is going to get this year, and it's not bad.

[jpf_v2.0]

The talk before/during the draft was Portland wanted to move Jack, (which they did), Frye, and Outlaw....Frye-Outlaw is a 7 million investment...if we send our cheapest contract tof not need (Hollins) we have to bite 6 million...what does that do to our cap and who thinks that Portland will really make this deal?

We're over the cap so our days of being able to take on a ton of extra salary to get a player we want are over, so we can't just "bite" 6 million. The salaries exchanged would have to be a lot closer to even than that.

[mrtarheel]

I myself would love to have CV but if we could squeeze Frye, Outlaw, and Webster away from Portland for Ammo and Matty C it would work wonders. I would hate to lose Carroll but the only thing I see Portland missing on their team is shooters. Ammo could feel a void of a scoring sf while Carrol is lightemup backup sg for Roy. Outlaw is their only sf I see and they wanted him gone draft time. Maybe like someone posted earlier if they wanted some like bonzi wells or a sf we could get him for them and then just send him and Ammo and maybe a second rd pick. It works for me. Our line gets more athletic and we have a supporting cast for backups.

[BRNC]

Reality is....no cap space....no one is going to hand us a starting PF (or for that matter better than what we already have)...it may come to McMay getting injured the first practice...Davidson and Duds have to try and be the PF duet because I'd really rather not have Gerald there(imo easier for him to get hurt playing PF with the big boys)...

I like Davidson and Duds but more as rotation players this year....but it is them or trade away and hurt ourselves at another position because what little is left on the free agent market is not going to help...

[jpf_v2.0]

if they wanted some like bonzi wells or a sf we could get him for them and then just send him and Ammo and maybe a second rd pick.

We couldn't sign Bonzi Wells, then turn right back around and trade him.

Once you sign a free agent you can't trade them for 3 months or until after Dec. 15th, whichever is later.

[spectre]

Not saying he's starter material, but if we're going to "platoon" the PF spot would we be interested in Josh Powell? He just got cut by the Clips.

[BRNC]

I know he's suppose to be a good rebounder...but I have no idea if he has a jumper 12-15...

[spectre]

I know he's suppose to be a good rebounder...but I have no idea if he has a jumper 12-15...

Hopefully an NC State fan will chime in...

http://clipperblog.com/index.php?itemid=400


Powell is a monster rebounder who, according to Givnoy, is "a freak athlete" who "left N.C. State too early and would've been a Top 20 picks had he stayed in school another year." Powell is a technically sound player with a nice mid-range jumper. "There's a reason that the best scouting teams in Europe keep giving him offers," says Givony. While he's doesn't exactly have a traditional back-to-the-basket game, Powell is a heady pick-and-roll player who can "play off other guys," according to Givony. "He hasn't gotten the playing time he needs to develop."

Givony is the President of Draft Express.

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2007/8/10/21624/5626

A GSW "report card" from the '06-'07 season.

From the fans comments:



Grade: C
We really didn't get to see much from POWell this season, but those few times he did play I liked what I saw. He has a nice midrange jumper, hustles on D, and is a tough forward. I'm not sure why Nellie didn't give him more burn. Maybe he didn't practice hard? This one still puzzles me.




Grade: B-
I would have liked to see more of JP just because he seemed to have a great work ethic, solid outside shooting, and one of the few muscular builds on this team. He probably deserves an incomplete too.


It should be noted GSW's coach seems to never play young bigs excpt Biedrens.

[dav7z]

Not saying he's starter material, but if we're going to "platoon" the PF spot would we be interested in Josh Powell? He just got cut by the Clips.
Played for NC State . Can rebound the hell out the ball and can play defence. Not a scoring threat if i remenber him right. Would not be a bad pick up but could be in the paltoon . Just don't know if his boards and defence are close enough to Dudley to sign him?

[BRNC]

From what you found spectre I think I would contact him and see if he'd be interested in preseason camp before someone else calls him....and with the number of contracts/teams he played with in Europe (three that I could find) he probably has a descent jump shot...plays D and hustles...worth a look at a low price would be my guess...and it does look like we'll have to use a rotation...if one of these guys could step up it would be nice...

[spectre]

I couldn't find anything on his defense though other than that comment from 2 seasons back that he "got pushed around". I wonder how mobile he is...can he guard guys who play out on the perimeter? Givony did say he was "heady" (heh!). It does seem that he excels at rebounding...a big need from our standpoint.

I agree, call him up and get him into training camp...won't cost us a thing. Maybe he'd give us preference in being his "home team" (he's from SC).

[dav7z]

I couldn't find anything on his defense though other than that comment from 2 seasons back that he "got pushed around". I wonder how mobile he is...can he guard guys who play out on the perimeter? Givony did say he was "heady" (heh!). It does seem that he excels at rebounding...a big need from our standpoint.

I agree, call him up and get him into training camp...won't cost us a thing. Maybe he'd give us preference in being his "home team" (he's from SC).

He was a beast at NC State . He would probely sign a minum contract. His last years numbers says he can board. Playing at home to he might be gold At least a decent pick up . Nice find Spectre .
Last years numbers not bad.

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http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53815/20080730/clippers_waive_josh_powell/




http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_powell/bio.html

[jpf_v2.0]

As much as I'd love to have a better option at PF, I've honestly just came to accept the fact that they're probably planning on going into the season with what is already there. The time to make a move would've been before Emeka was re-signed and the team had room under the cap to absorb taking back more salary than it sent out in a trade.

[davcbow]

As much as I'd love to have a better option at PF, I've honestly just came to accept the fact that they're probably planning on going into the season with what is already there. The time to make a move would've been before Emeka was re-signed and the team had room under the cap to absorb taking back more salary than it sent out in a trade.

Now the only option would be to sign someone like Herrmann to a minimum contract and hope for the best. The only other way would be trade one of our good players away which Im against.....:cool:

[Muttley]

I couldn't find anything on his defense though other than that comment from 2 seasons back that he "got pushed around". I wonder how mobile he is...can he guard guys who play out on the perimeter? Givony did say he was "heady" (heh!). It does seem that he excels at rebounding...a big need from our standpoint.

I agree, call him up and get him into training camp...won't cost us a thing. Maybe he'd give us preference in being his "home team" (he's from SC).

I'd love to get Powell into camp. As has been discussed, I wouldn't exactly call him a shooter, but he could rebound (something we've lacked). My memory's shaky on him for sure, but maybe think James Mays, but with experience.
Bring him into camp, see if he earns a spot. This may be his best chance to find a "starter" role.

[dvdbumpus]

Powell was cut when we were expansion, and he's not going to be any better then having Davidson, Dudley, and Mcmay out there.

[Ghost Kat]

I guess the fun of the off season is you get to make trade idea's and hope your team gets a clue. But some of the idea's i've just read have no chance of happening.
I will clearly put on the T-shirt today of Herrmann Hater, Cuz i really don't see what others seem to notice that he brings to the team. I wish i had a better memory of him, but what i saw i wasn't sad to see leave.

I've seen this idea mentioned before kinda. Since we have Okafor signed up now and Nazi as his back up, Can't we have a football style PF and do the running back by committee type of thing. We have May, Hollins, Ajinca and my fav. Davidson. Why not play them all. In there own way in a few minutes a game they each offer something else depending on the matchups on the court.

[dav7z]

I guess the fun of the off season is you get to make trade idea's and hope your team gets a clue. But some of the idea's i've just read have no chance of happening.
I will clearly put on the T-shirt today of Herrmann Hater, Cuz i really don't see what others seem to notice that he brings to the team. I wish i had a better memory of him, but what i saw i wasn't sad to see leave.

I've seen this idea mentioned before kinda. Since we have Okafor signed up now and Nazi as his back up, Can't we have a football style PF and do the running back by committee type of thing. We have May, Hollins, Ajinca and my fav. Davidson. Why not play them all. In there own way in a few minutes a game they each offer something else depending on the matchups on the court.

Carolina i agree with you about Herrmann hes not a p/f . Bet we still have the MLE and the Biannual execption to sign one . Or a trade for one would be what we thinking too.. But it's no way we go into the season with out another proven big with experiance.
And no way it's Herrmann.

[spectre]

Would we consider Duds for Maxiell? I'd really hate to give up Duds, but Maxiell is a pretty damn good mid range scorer.

[dvdbumpus]

Would we consider Duds for Maxiell? I'd really hate to give up Duds, but Maxiell is a pretty damn good mid range scorer.

Where's the value for the Pistons? Maxiell is proven, Duds is not.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Our best basketball came when Herrmann started at PF. Why not do it again?

Someone on here (I forgot who) once said that we could do what Phoenix did and start 2 SFs and have a PF at C. It could probably work.

[spectre]

Where's the value for the Pistons? Maxiell is proven, Duds is not.

Trading Maxiell for a backup SF (http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=82989)

Their idea. Most said they'd consider Ammo, but the salaries don't work and I don't see any minimal salary guys they'd throw in without other compensation.


Ive been wanting to trade Maxiel for a long time now, I would move him even if all Pistons got back wasa first rounder. Id rather get Dudley off the Bobcats than Morrison though,

This is what gave me that thought.

[BRNC]

Detroit seems serious about trading (or not resigning at the end of the yr.) Wallace so I don't see a motivation for them to trade Maxiel...

Fabio (whom I like) is not a PF...and has real limitations athletically....and imo is not as good as Davidson...

I personally think we blew it draft night by not trading down a few spots for something and then drafting Jason Thompson who really fits the type PF we need...our draft could have been Thompson/Chalmers/Weaver....and imo we would have been a much better team....

We didn't so reality again is no cap space...we give up something we really don't want to give...sign someone like Fabio no better or not as good as we have...or sign Weaver and sit on our 15th slot and try to cut a 1 for 2 deal with a team desperate to unload...

[dav7z]

What would guys thoughts be on spending part to most of our MLE Landry
Or do you guys think hes a one year wonder. I don't think the rockets match say three Milion.




http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=4309


The Rockets are siting in the luxery tax all ready . He should not be that hard to sign?
Thoughts on Landry?????/

[BRNC]

I like Landry...I also realize Houston may be trying to devalue him concerning the injury....but the injury concerns me since we know McMay is going to be injured...if both are injured we're left with what we have now Davidson/Duds...also...does anyone know his actual height since I've seen 6'7" to 6'9"...?

[dav7z]

Yes he would need to pass a physical befor any signing went on . I think thats just the Rockets just trying to devalue him?
Hes listed at 6.7 but he can board and has proven that as well as he can score?

[BRNC]

How about bringing Powell and another young or two that showed promise in Summer League along with one or two vets like Aaron Williams and Austin Croshere...worse case we might find a young to fit in the rotation or sign one of the vets to the vet min. for a year and evaluate the guys we have....

This again assumes no other team tries to give us anyone as good or better than we already have...thoughts?

[countryboi]

How about bringing Powell and another young or two that showed promise in Summer League along with one or two vets like Aaron Williams and Austin Croshere...worse case we might find a young to fit in the rotation or sign one of the vets to the vet min. for a year and evaluate the guys we have....

This again assumes no other team tries to give us anyone as good or better than we already have...thoughts?

I say we bring in powell he is cheap and a good rebounder.....sounds like a win-win...long as he does not have to start

[davcbow]

I say we bring in powell he is cheap and a good rebounder.....sounds like a win-win...long as he does not have to start

I really don't see us doing anything unless its through some kind of a trade because we are already over the salary cap...:cool:

[MattD]

I'm sipping that Sean Williams kool aid right now I think he'd be ideal for guarding the Bosh, Jamisons, Odoms of the NBA and I think Coach Brown would love how he plays the game. Maybe coming to Charlotte would be the best thing for him and I could see Brown settling him down ala Sheed/Iverson. Davidson impressed me so much in Summer League I kind of fell off the "sign Frye" bandwagon honestly very similar players.

Like I said in another thread nobody would drive on him, Mek or Crash check this out...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lhlI4QdGzo

ive been posting about sean and marcus williams for the last several months. I would love Sean Williams here and think there is so much potential there

[kickazzz2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFBRYRdX1g&feature=related

Practice would be fun to watch

[BRNC]

The only way I'd take him (knowing we get limited to no offense) is if NJ takes McMay (who they loved last yr.) and try to squeeze a 2nd round pick from them if they'll give one...even then I'd rather start Davidson since he has a jump shot...have to use Williams with Nazr....

Would be better imo if we can either trade for or luck-up on someone that can at least shoot from 12ft. and play D....really Sean Williams (baggage) doesn't bother me as much as his lack of offensive skills...

[dav7z]

Fazekas could be a great pick up on the cheap. Clippers renounced thair offer for some reason .

http://hoopshype.com/players/nick_fazekas.htm


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53841/20080801/clippers_withdraw_qualifying_offer_to_fazekas/

[tamburello]

Fazekas could be a great pick up on the cheap. Clippers renounced thair offer for some reason .

http://hoopshype.com/players/nick_fazekas.htm


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53841/20080801/clippers_withdraw_qualifying_offer_to_fazekas/

Dave, Fazekas has been among my favorites from the beginning, however, he is not a real PF, he is one of those soft big men who shoot from outside and do not have a low post game.

But it is clear that there are very little real post up scorers in the league, yet in the FA market. So Fazekas should be considered IMHO.

[jpf_v2.0]

Those that wanted Hermann will be disappointed to know that he re-signed with the Pistons.

[DirtyU11]

How about morrison , carroll ,2nd for Frye, webster, and outlaw. Portland gets some shooters and we get a good pf which they are stacked at and frye wouldnt get any pt over there anyway. Plus we get a shooter in webster and an athletic 6"9" scorer in outlaw. This gives us a starting PF to pair with mek at center and doesnt hurt our bench scoring and upgrades our bench defense.

[jpf_v2.0]

Mathwise that works out, but I'm not sure Portland would go for it.

[davcbow]

Those that wanted Hermann will be disappointed to know that he re-signed with the Pistons.

Oh well sh%^ happens, but really I gave up on Herrmann coming back once Mek got resigned because we are over the salary cap now, any additional pickups will have to be through trades.:cool:

[jpf_v2.0]

We still have exceptions that we can use, but I never expected we'd do anything regarding Herrmann.

[WAM9]

How about morrison , carroll ,2nd for Frye, webster, and outlaw. Portland gets some shooters and we get a good pf which they are stacked at and frye wouldnt get any pt over there anyway. Plus we get a shooter in webster and an athletic 6"9" scorer in outlaw. This gives us a starting PF to pair with mek at center and doesnt hurt our bench scoring and upgrades our bench defense.

I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat but no one with a heartbeat on Portland's side would go for it. I read somewhere in the last 6 months that they were extremely high on Webster. This deal is very, very unlikely.

[jpf_v2.0]

I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat but no one with a heartbeat on Portland's side would go for it. I read somewhere in the last 6 months that they were extremely high on Webster. This deal is very, very unlikely.

That's what I thought. Even if they weren't high on Webster, I just don't see the where Portland would get any value.

[jpf_v2.0]

Ok, so what about Chris Wilcox?

The (former) Sonics are supposedly looking to move him, Wilcox contract expires after this season. His cap figure is 6.75 mill for this season.

Haven't looked at any real trade scenarios for what we'd give up for him. Just throwing it out there because he's a player that I could see being a 18 & 8 guy for the right team.

[DirtyU11]

Wilcox doesnt have that outside shot we need to pair with okafor buy if we cant get frye then i would be ok with him.

[jpf_v2.0]

Yea, Wilcox isn't ideal but at this point it's hard to find a better option that we actually might be able to obtain.

[jpf_v2.0]

Well, I guess there's always the possibility of talking Keith Van Horn into playing again.

[/sarcasm]

[mrtarheel]

What Villanueva does have, however, is a legitimate chance to blossom into a high-scoring NBA player. He is still young, and with youth comes inconsistency. But after he won the starting power forward position from Yi Jianlian, the Bucks' top draft pick of a year ago, he settled into the role nicely. While he actually averaged fewer points per game than Murphy, Villanueva showed his high ceiling. Within the last two months of the year, he scored 22 points nine times, including games in which he tallied 32 and 38 points.

That just might be the sort of upside the Pacers have been searching for. From HOOPSWORLD


Change Pacers to Bobcats and that is what we need. He would be a perfect fit and seeing that he has played with Okafor before and worked well together this would be the move we need. It would sure up our starting lineup and also help our backups with May being the backup 4.

Felts / Augustine
J Rich / Carrol / Dream Weaver
G force / Duds / Morrison
CV / May /Davidson
Okafor / Nazr /

I have said this plenty of times but this lineup is a young lineup of what the Pistons had with Wallace. CV is no Wallace now but he easily could be without the attitude and techs.

[Ghost Kat]

Our Rasheed Wallace should have been Sean May. It's funny how things work out. The Bobcats have been in the lottery four years in a row. I happen to like everyone one of the picks they made. It's built up a preety good athletic team. Only thin they have never really gone after is a PF. Or a Center if Okafor thinks he's best suited for that spot. If we can sign James Mays from the summer league team and just rotate the big men we do have I think we should be ok. Right now we have alot of unproven talent. But this year the potential has grown.

[amour217]

So according to realgm, the Bucks have an oral agreement with Francisco Elson. I'm wondering if that'll free them up to look into dealing Charlie V. He's not the ideal fit for this team, but maybe Larry Brown can get him to play with some stones

[spectre]

So according to realgm, the Bucks have an oral agreement with Francisco Elson. I'm wondering if that'll free them up to look into dealing Charlie V. He's not the ideal fit for this team, but maybe Larry Brown can get him to play with some stones

Nah, I think Elson is a backup C (they're projecting him right behind Bogut) and CV is their ONLY PF. Milwaukee is actually in worse shape than us in regards to that spot.

Yet they seem willing to trade him away...

[ohara831]

You know, I'm not a fan of trading in our Division, but Miami is wanting to move Udonis Haslem for a PG. He'd be a pretty nice fit for us to play along side Okafor. Haslem would be better at the PF than anyone else on the roster right now.

[Muttley]

You know, I'm not a fan of trading in our Division, but Miami is wanting to move Udonis Haslem for a PG. He'd be a pretty nice fit for us to play along side Okafor. Haslem would be better at the PF than anyone else on the roster right now.
I like Haslem too. I don't want to send Felton for him, though. DJ? Maybe, but we just got good PG depth, I'm not sure I want to give it up now. If Shannon Brown's good enough maybe it'd be okay.

[Dead_Real]

I'd pass on Haslem I don't think he's worth a core player or even DJ for that matter either move would be a bigger improvement for the Heat than it would be for us.

As far as Brown playing back up point Some Cav fans on RealGM were saying how is handles aren't good enough to run that position and not make a ton of mistakes.

[spectre]

I like Haslem too. I don't want to send Felton for him, though. DJ? Maybe, but we just got good PG depth, I'm not sure I want to give it up now. If Shannon Brown's good enough maybe it'd be okay.

I wouldn't want to give Flash either PG (and I know that's what they'd be looking for)...IMO dealing either for Haslem would mean we'd be giving up the best player, and you NEVER do that with a division rival.

And I totally agree, why give up the good PG depth now when we finally have it after 4 years (and a coach who'll actually use them as PGs)?

Besides, if May is healthy he's better. IMO JD will also be better.

Edit: What Eaton said.

[catsfan]

may and adam

for


hassle,boone,williams



http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2990~998~3239~2776~3016&teams=30~30~30~17~17&te=&cash=

[WAM9]

I am a huge fan of Haslem however I do not think we should trade either DJ or Felton for him in any way, shape or form. Without both of them our point guard depth is gone and we all know how that goes. Let's see what Felton and DJ can do under LB before we send them packing. I have a feeling that, at least for this season, they can coexist very well. Let's give them a chance...

[davcbow]

I am a huge fan of Haslem however I do not think we should trade either DJ or Felton for him in any way, shape or form. Without both of them our point guard depth is gone and we all know how that goes. Let's see what Felton and DJ can do under LB before we send them packing. I have a feeling that, at least for this season, they can coexist very well. Let's give them a chance...

Felton is a co-captain so I don't see him or DJ going anywhere for a good while....:cool:

[jpf_v2.0]

may and adam

for

hassle,boone,williams

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2990~998~3239~2776~3016&teams=30~30~30~17~17&te=&cash=

And the value for the Nets in that is?

[Dead_Real]

Nets wanted McMay last year maybe they would be willing to bite with the reports of him being ready to play now? also Area 51 is supposedly on the trading block I guess because of the pick ups of Yi and Brook Lopez. McMay takes the place of Boone/Williams plus they get another scorer to pair with Carter and sure up the SF spot that Jefferson left. As far our team I'm pretty sure Larry Brown would love gaining more defensive minded bigs.

[catsfan]

And the value for the Nets in that is?
they lose hassles contract,and he will prolly wine about PT behind Hayes and Simmons

and it allows them to keep swift(his big contract will expire just in time for the lebron sweepstakes)

and They've already given up on Boone and Williams,with the drafting and trading and siging for Lopez,Anderson Yi,and Najera

may and morrision can sit back and watch and get garbage minutes


the nets have 4 things on there mind


Lebron
Brooklyn
Draft Picks
and Lebron:D

[jpf_v2.0]

None of which really does all that much for them since Hassel's contract expires before LeBron reaches free agency, as can Boone and Williams contracts since Boone will be a RFA the same year LeBron reaches free agency and Williams contract will be in a team option year...and that's if they even pick up the team options on Boone and Williams for the 2009-10 season.

You talk about them wanting draft picks and LeBron but nothing about that move does anything to help them with either that what they would be parting with doesn't already.

[catsfan]

None of which really does all that much for them since Hassel's contract expires before LeBron reaches free agency, as can Boone and Williams contracts since Boone will be a RFA the same year LeBron reaches free agency and Williams contract will be in a team option year...and that's if they even pick up the team options on Boone and Williams for the 2009-10 season.

You talk about them wanting draft picks and LeBron but nothing about that move does anything to help them with either that what they would be parting with doesn't already.


throw in some draft picks then:cool:

they have a log jam at the 4,if there gonna lose em,then at least make sure they don't wind up with a division rival

[Muttley]

Lebron
Brooklyn
Draft Picks
and Lebron:D


I think you forgot to mention LeBron.