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murphman
08-06-2008, 11:44 AM
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2008/08/06/brown-joins-bobcats/

dnbman
08-06-2008, 12:11 PM
Man, I really don't understand this signing.

To me, it means one of three things:

1. Okafor is playing PF, with Nazr at C.
2. Wallace is playing PF, with Okafor at C.
3. Davidson (or one of the other PFs) has shown so much progress, that we feel like we already have a great starting PF.

Also, I wonder if Weaver isn't going to be under a lot of pressure to show he's NBA material right away (which isn't to say great), or be cut by midseason.

I could be jumping to conclusions, but my reading of the team makes me think we didn't need another swingman.

BIGCatBobcat
08-06-2008, 12:29 PM
I really don't know anything about the guy. Another swingman though? 3rd guy to bring the ball up? I certainly don't want to see anything like the Dudley/Gerald Wallace tandem at PG we had when Ray got hurt and McInnis was high last year. Looks like a slasher/transition guy from the Michigan State website and wikipedia. I don't see it but oh well In Larry I trust.

jpf_v2.0
08-06-2008, 12:36 PM
Perhaps there's something in the works tradewise we're not aware of?

That's about the only way I can see this making sense. Either that or Weaver hasn't shown enough for them to think he's more than a D-League player.

davcbow
08-06-2008, 12:36 PM
All I can think is that LB and the other coaches can see what the team needs more than we do just looking at stat sheets. I don't understand it either but I also trust LB....:cool:

BIGCatBobcat
08-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Yeah, like last year Sam pitching a fit for another big, then we traded for Nazr then that didn't really help. This year LB says ok yeah we'll take Shannon Brown off the streets cause we can use him in this way, I say to myself, Larry knows so I'm fine with it.

All I can think is this team is going to look so different this year with basically the same core and we've just added to it. I'm fine with this although as a fan I'm going "Get Me A Damn STARTING PF, NOW!!!"

jpf_v2.0
08-06-2008, 12:46 PM
Yeah, like last year Sam pitching a fit for another big, then we traded for Nazr then that didn't really help. This year LB says ok yeah we'll take Shannon Brown off the streets cause we can use him in this way, I say to myself, Larry knows so I'm fine with it.

All I can think is this team is going to look so different this year with basically the same core and we've just added to it. I'm fine with this although as a fan I'm going "Get Me A Damn STARTING PF, NOW!!!"

^ totally agree!

spectre
08-06-2008, 01:06 PM
Don't you guys think this means the end of Weaver (or any of the other SG SL guys)? He has pretty much the same resume but is a better shooter.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shannon-Brown-172/


Best Case: Tony Allen W/jumpshot
Worst Case: Fred Jones
Strengths
Brown is one of the most explosive athletes in this draft, possessing good length, huge hands and excellent strength to make an impact off an NBA bench. His first step is terrific, and he finishes with reckless abandon thanks to his impressive strength, body control, tenacity and outstanding vertical leap. He’s worked very hard on his shooting range to the point that he shot 39% from behind the arc as a junior. As a passer, Brown shows good awareness and is very much adept at finding the open man. He puts a lot of pride into his ability to get in right in his matchup’s grill and dictate where he wants to lead them. His intangibles are solid as he’s been praised for being highly coachable and an outstanding citizen both on and off the court.

Weaknesses
At 6-3, Brown is certainly stuck between NBA positions. He has a shooting guard’s mentality, but has the size of many NBA point guards. His in-between game is underutilized, as he either explodes past his man on his way to the hoop or pulls up for a 3-pointer, but rarely utilizes the mid-range. He needs to work on creating space to operate offensively beyond just using his outstanding athleticism. Brown has been inconsistent throughout his college career, looking outstanding one night and then silent the next. He lacks the polish on both ends of the floor to truly utilize his excellent physical gifts on a nightly basis.

jpf_v2.0
08-06-2008, 01:09 PM
I think it means either the end of Weaver or that perhaps Carroll or someone is being packaged in a trade for a PF?

Not sure how I feel about it if it's the latter.

110oldeast
08-06-2008, 01:11 PM
I have a HARD time believing they are not strongly considering/TRYING to move at least 1 of:

Gerald Wallace or Raymond Felton

Either these guys are coming in as combo pg insurance or athletic swingman insurance. That or the Bobcats are making me even more retarded by trying to understand their plan.

110oldeast
08-06-2008, 01:13 PM
Some wing has got to be on their way out unless they are just in love with DJ to the point that they are shipping off Felton.

Either way, this NEEDS to be a move towards getting a BONAFIDE power forward.

spectre
08-06-2008, 01:14 PM
I have a HARD time believing they are not strongly considering/TRYING to move at least 1 of:

Gerald Wallace or Raymond Felton

Either these guys are coming in as combo pg insurance or athletic swingman insurance. That or the Bobcats are making me even more retarded by trying to understand their plan.

We have no defense at the 2 spot other than Felts and he's a PG (heck, if you get down to it other than Felts we're weak as hell defensively at both guard positions)...IMO it was a perogative to address that this season. Both Weaver and this guy are known for their defensive prowess on the perimeter.

Nate
08-06-2008, 01:31 PM
All this means is that there will be some competition in training camp. Weaver is a 2nd round pick so he has to earn his roster spot. Shannon Brown is just a little competition. They both are 12th man/just on the roster for depth type guys so I think it's just about making training camp competitive. All NBA teams do it. I just wish it would have been Julius Hodge instead because it would have been a great story (Hodge coming back to NC).

Muttley
08-06-2008, 01:33 PM
Don't you guys think this means the end of Weaver (or any of the other SG SL guys)? He has pretty much the same resume but is a better shooter.

History dictates that the Bobcats will sign Weaver tomorrow, because it would be the action by the FO that most goes against what people here at BCP think makes the most sense for the FO to do.

Probably, though, he's not getting a contract. Sounds kinda like we got a Weaver with experience in Shannon Brown.

amour217
08-06-2008, 01:33 PM
Either we have a deal in the works or the front office has NO idea what a Power Forward is

tamburello
08-06-2008, 01:38 PM
Although this signing looks meaningless, this may be a consideration only for training camp and will simply be released after it. The deal is minimum, and I think Weaver might not have impressed Larry.

But we still need a PF very badly.

spectre
08-06-2008, 01:46 PM
All this means is that there will be some competition in training camp. Weaver is a 2nd round pick so he has to earn his roster spot. Shannon Brown is just a little competition. They both are 12th man/just on the roster for depth type guys so I think it's just about making training camp competitive. All NBA teams do it. I just wish it would have been Julius Hodge instead because it would have been a great story (Hodge coming back to NC).

Welcome Nate!

There isn't anything in the initial release saying that it's a guaranteed deal (or does "signed" imply that?), so I guess he could just be more training camp fodder.

FWIW, a Cav's fan just came on RealGM and said he was a real disappointment...pretty much a black hole on offense.

MattD
08-06-2008, 01:52 PM
All this means is that there will be some competition in training camp. Weaver is a 2nd round pick so he has to earn his roster spot. Shannon Brown is just a little competition. They both are 12th man/just on the roster for depth type guys so I think it's just about making training camp competitive. All NBA teams do it. I just wish it would have been Julius Hodge instead because it would have been a great story (Hodge coming back to NC).

I love how yall just brush off weaver... he was the second round pick... he wasnt a hollins type end of the draft pick, he was a high second round pick, borderline kinda guy. second round picks shouldnt just be afterthoughts, CDR was available, Bill Walker was available but we went with this guy, so you all should not be looking at him this way

spectre
08-06-2008, 01:54 PM
I love how yall just brush off weaver... he was the second round pick... he wasnt a hollins type end of the draft pick, he was a high second round pick, borderline kinda guy. second round picks shouldnt just be afterthoughts, CDR was available, Bill Walker was available but we went with this guy, so you all should not be looking at him this way

I agree (and posted similar on another forum) it would be a waste to throw away a 2nd like that. IMO this "signing" would make a lot more sense if it wasn't guaranteed.

catsfan
08-06-2008, 02:05 PM
all the signing means to me that we have a 3rd string SG,and that IF we sign Weaver he will be the 3 PG,but both along with Hollins will be D-Leaugers

TheLegend
08-06-2008, 02:19 PM
I really don't know what he'll bring us. Heres a clip of him dunking on us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-X-OxMJz8

WAM9
08-06-2008, 02:20 PM
I love how yall just brush off weaver... he was the second round pick... he wasnt a hollins type end of the draft pick, he was a high second round pick, borderline kinda guy. second round picks shouldnt just be afterthoughts, CDR was available, Bill Walker was available but we went with this guy, so you all should not be looking at him this way


I agree as well. Weaver will be on the opening day roster for sure. Remember, he was regarded as a very good defender in his conference. 6'6'' Guards that can defend will probably have a spot in LB's system.

ohara831
08-06-2008, 02:33 PM
I believe Weaver showed several good signs in the Summer Games and he will make the team. His Defense is something we need badly. If anything, I think this may mean Felton being part of a deal for a PF. Brown can play both SG/PG so he may be the main guy to help DJ until DJ is fully ready to run the PG. I could totally be misreading things, but this is what my gut instinct tells me.

spectre
08-06-2008, 02:44 PM
I believe Weaver showed several good signs in the Summer Games and he will make the team. His Defense is something we need badly. If anything, I think this may mean Felton being part of a deal for a PF. Brown can play both SG/PG so he may be the main guy to help DJ until DJ is fully ready to run the PG. I could totally be misreading things, but this is what my gut instinct tells me.

Seriously O'hara...do you really think we'll go into the season with a rook who had a questionable SL from a PG standpoint, a 38th pick and a guy who was cut by the Bulls as our PG rotation?

ohara831
08-06-2008, 03:08 PM
Spectre: It all depends on the PF we get back. If he's solid and proven, then LB may feel a Rookie and Brown can handle the job. But if the PF is not of quality, then I agree with you.

spectre
08-06-2008, 03:25 PM
If Felts could net us Bosh then maybe LB would try going with that crappy of a PG rotation, but even then LB would have picked up a VETERAN PG in FA, not some "tweener" that's been cut. He sees the PG spot at the most important position and there's no way he'd go with this pitiful group.

Brown is a defensive two with "some" handles who can attack the basket. We don't have a player like that. It's a need, not a replacement.

Dead_Real
08-06-2008, 04:16 PM
With the drafting of Weaver over CDR and Walker and now with Brown both notable for there defensive I might add something tells me we'll be trading a guy on our team (bench player over a core guy more than likely) that might be a defensive liability for a PF like Charlie V, Williams or Frye.

spectre
08-06-2008, 04:23 PM
Hammer maybe?

Dead_Real
08-06-2008, 04:34 PM
Hammer maybe?
I really want to see what a second year Ammo will look like so I would not mind shopping Hammer along with Hollins maybe for a PF.

Dead_Real
08-06-2008, 05:03 PM
I watched him in college and he was a stud from what I remember still I find it strange he didn't pan out on that Cavs roster with that decent at best supporting cast. Some thrown together highlights below of his college, summer league and short pro career you can see he's VERY explosive and plays much bigger than his 6"3 height.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4qQtNoAL30

TheLegend
08-06-2008, 05:08 PM
Still, I really don't know why we need him...

fatlever
08-06-2008, 05:19 PM
man, you guys are reading waaaay too much into this signing. brown is nothing more than some competition for the guys in the 12-15 range. its a one year minimum deal and we dont even know if the deal is 100% guaranteed. at worst it gives us a true combo guard/defender. this is not a sign of some major deal to land a pf.

ammofan
08-06-2008, 05:24 PM
I dont think that GW or Felts will be traded but Hammer could be on his way out.
I think taht Brown likes Morrison because he has a high Basketball IQ and he can do what Carroll can do and more even though he is a 3 not 2.

In conclusion, I could see us trading for either Chris Wilcox from OKC or Charlie Vilanueva from Milwaukee.

ammofan
08-06-2008, 05:28 PM
man, you guys are reading waaaay too much into this signing. brown is nothing more than some competition for the guys in the 12-15 range. its a one year minimum deal and we dont even know if the deal is 100% guaranteed. at worst it gives us a true combo guard/defender. this is not a sign of some major deal to land a pf.

Well, You could be right and you could be wrong. I want us to trade for a PF really badly but knowing bobcats management your theory will be right and it will be a training camp competition.

tamburello
08-06-2008, 06:18 PM
The deal is officialized.


Bobcats Sign Shannon Brown
bobcats.com

August 6, 2008

Charlotte Bobcats General Manager Rod Higgins announced today that the team has signed free agent guard Shannon Brown. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

The 6-4, 211-pound Brown appeared in 21 games (four starts) split between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Chicago Bulls last season, averaging 5.4 points and 1.0 rebound in 11.4 minutes. In two stints in the D-League, Brown played in 10 games, six for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers (Cavaliers affiliate) and four for the Iowa Energy (Bulls affiliate) with averages of 24.9 points, 5.8 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 1.5 steals in 37.6 minutes. He also played one game for the Albuquerque Thunderbirds in 2006-07, tallying 14 points, six assists and four rebounds in 28 minutes.

An early-entry candidate in the 2006 NBA Draft, Brown was originally selected by the Cavaliers with the 25th overall selection. In two NBA seasons, Brown has appeared in 44 games with nine starts and has averaged 4.3 points, 0.9 rebounds and 0.6 assists.

Brown played three seasons at Michigan State and was named All-Big Ten Second Team by media and coaches and Big Ten All-Defensive Team by the league’s coaches as a junior.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/sign_shannon_brown_080806.html

DirtyU11
08-06-2008, 07:30 PM
now that we added brown to our already crowded wing/guard players here are two trade options to get us a better starting PF.

Carroll and May for Wilcox

Carroll for Frye and Sergio Rodriugez (to make slaray match)

the first one i think is fair for both teams i dont know how portland would feel about the second one but i couldnt find a better deal without involving players i know portland wouldnt want. i would be very happy if either of these trades went down but with MJ its very unlikely we try to get a starting PF. haha

dnbman
08-06-2008, 09:08 PM
man, you guys are reading waaaay too much into this signing. brown is nothing more than some competition for the guys in the 12-15 range. its a one year minimum deal and we dont even know if the deal is 100% guaranteed. at worst it gives us a true combo guard/defender. this is not a sign of some major deal to land a pf.

I agree. I think this sends more signals about what managment is going to do with who we have than the fact that they're trading for a big.

To put it another way, I don't think Brown is worth enough minutes to NOW justify a trade of another player.

My only concern is that we're using up the last of our roster spots.

TheBeagle
08-07-2008, 12:06 AM
If this puke takes Kyle's spot on the team, I'm going to pout like nobody's business :hissyfit:. A washed-out, no-account stooge that should be nothing more than an NBDL lifer or playing in Egypt shouldn't occupy the roster of any NBA team, plain and simple. My first impression on seeing this is that he's just training camp fodder, but some of you are scaring me into thinking he's actually going to enter a game in a Bobcats jersey on any given night....that's just frightening in a Jeff McInnis sorta way.

Kyle can outclass and outplay this moron any day of the week, and that will happen in training camp, but still, the signing is moronic and :confused:

Ghost Kat
08-07-2008, 12:12 AM
This is a very strange pick-up. WE already are overloaded on the wing and we add another. I've watched Brown play, He could be helpful, but he's not anywhere near the type of player this team needs. I'm curious as to why they haven't signed Weaver yet. Weaver is a good defender and ball hander. He fills a needs at SG,PG or SF. All he Bobcats swing plaers are pretty much the same prototype. Shannon Brown is like Dudley 2.0, There was no reasopn of this signing..unless

I hope the trade ideas for Wallace or Felton are false. We finally have a great core group and every year the FO tries to break them up.

catsfan
08-07-2008, 12:19 AM
it doesn't take kyles spot,15 roster spots we have 14 and 1 un-signed(which is Kyle),the only way Kyle isn't on the roster is if we sign Lindsey Hunter(or another vet PG),Who is an LB guy,to teach up Felts and DJ

Our DC


Felts/DJ/Weaver
J-Rich/Carroll/Brown
Wallace/Dudley/Morrision
May/Davidson/Alexis
Okafor/Nazr/Hollins


wich can be broken down into


Untouchables
Okafor
Alexis
DJ
J-Rich
Nazr(contract)
Carroll????
Maybe Dudley?


Big Trade Bait
Felton
Wallace
Carroll???


Small Trade Bait
May
Morrision

mabey Dudley?



Throw in players in Deals
Brown-Bird rights (1yr deal)
Hollins-bird rights(1 year deal)
Davidson-not likley to go
Weaver-gotta wait 3 months after he signs

Dead_Real
08-07-2008, 12:56 AM
This is a very strange pick-up. WE already are overloaded on the wing and we add another. I've watched Brown play, He could be helpful, but he's not anywhere near the type of player this team needs. I'm curious as to why they haven't signed Weaver yet. Weaver is a good defender and ball hander. He fills a needs at SG,PG or SF. All he Bobcats swing plaers are pretty much the same prototype. Shannon Brown is like Dudley 2.0, There was no reasopn of this signing..unless

I hope the trade ideas for Wallace or Felton are false. We finally have a great core group and every year the FO tries to break them up.
He plays nothing like Dudley I don't understand the comparison if he makes the team he'll be that combo guard that the front office has been trying to make Felts into.

To TheBeagle Dream Weaver will have a spot reguardless based off just his defense alone IMO.

Ghost Kat
08-07-2008, 01:02 AM
I was going to explain why i said that at first...but i'll stand by my statement. Shannon Brown is a good player but he doesn't do anything that someone else on the team doesn't already do.

Dead_Real
08-07-2008, 01:24 AM
I was going to explain why i said that at first...but i'll stand by my statement. Shannon Brown is a good player but he doesn't do anything that someone else on the team doesn't already do.
If your talking about our wing starters I'd agree but I think he could make our 2 guard rotation a bit stronger than J-Rich/Hammer because of his D and explosive athleticism (that should mesh well with how DJ likes to run the point). I'm for any move that keeps Felts from being a liability to the team by playing shooting guard. Who knows though Larry Brown maybe can help him reach his potential by giving him a legit playing time off the bench and having J-Swish taking him under his wing wouldn't be such a bad thing either.

dr aj
08-07-2008, 05:37 AM
If you're a Bobcat you may have seen this:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-X-OxMJz8&feature=related

It is Shannon Brown making a strong move against the Bobcats with a SICK finish. He was given playing time when LeBron was injured. How do i know? Because i'ma Cavs fan and i watched that game :)

Shannon Brown running the fast break:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYwsAPJ38Y


I also don't understand what the Bobcats want or need in Brown, but he is a good defender, he tends to get too over-confident and starts to think he is unstoppable so he starts jacking up shots that shouldn't be taken.

spectre
08-07-2008, 01:03 PM
I was going to explain why i said that at first...but i'll stand by my statement. Shannon Brown is a good player but he doesn't do anything that someone else on the team doesn't already do.

Really? Who do we have now that is a good defender at the 2 signed to a contract?

I think this is non-guaranteed. LB recognizes that we need a Derek Anderson type and I think he's brought Brown in to battle against Weaver & one of the SL guys in training camp for that 3rd SG slot.

Why would we want Brown AND Weaver? They're pretty much a duplication of talent. Like Fats said we're talking 12-15 in the rotation here.

If we don't decide to keep him I think we can terminate the contract before the beginning of our 1st game and it won't be a cap hit.

BIGCatBobcat
08-07-2008, 01:24 PM
Wow what a discussion about a roster spot filler. He is a 3rd PG/SG, we have a starter, back up and now we have 2 guys who can come in and either spark things up a bit or just hold the time without hurting anything. As long as he doesn't turn the ball over I don't have a problem at all.

Ghost Kat
08-07-2008, 01:33 PM
Signed to a Contract would be the key sentence to that statement. And of all the free agents we picked Shannon Brown? Has Shannon Brown proven he's a good NBA player yet? Hasn't he play'd for three different teams in three yrs? Maybe it's only two teams, But i know he didn't get alot of time in Cleveland and it's not like Lebron really had anyone on the bench he could turn to. If Shannon Brown can't Out play slow foot Wally for the starting job....Do we really need him? I've read what has been said about him being a good defender and that he likes to run on the break. Matt Carroll doesn't give us much on the defensive side, But i don't think adding another wing is what the team needs. We are going to end up like the Knicks, All Guards, No big men.

spectre
08-07-2008, 02:07 PM
Signed to a Contract would be the key sentence to that statement. And of all the free agents we picked Shannon Brown? Has Shannon Brown proven he's a good NBA player yet? Hasn't he play'd for three different teams in three yrs? Maybe it's only two teams, But i know he didn't get alot of time in Cleveland and it's not like Lebron really had anyone on the bench he could turn to. If Shannon Brown can't Out play slow foot Wally for the starting job....Do we really need him? I've read what has been said about him being a good defender and that he likes to run on the break. Matt Carroll doesn't give us much on the defensive side, But i don't think adding another wing is what the team needs. We are going to end up like the Knicks, All Guards, No big men.

A player can sign an UN-GUARANTEED contract, so IMO until it's specified we don't know whether this is a done deal or not. It might be, but if it is Weaver must have done something pretty bad to get management to sour on him so easily. I thought he did decent in SL, certainly not so bad that we'd bring in a marginal talent to take his slot.

I understand you don't think we need another "wing" (which makes me think you feel that the 2 & 3 are interchangable?) but I ask again...who on our roster can guard the opposing teams' athletic 2 guards? Crash can cover ONE player, but who can come in and stop the other?

How many remember seeing McInnis on Vince Carter (Crash was on Jefferson)? Felts on JJ or Josh Childress?

If you can remember that, then you'd know why we need another "wing".

Larry Brown is known as a DEFENSIVE minded coach. You have to think he sees these deficiences in the lineup just like some of us do.

Ghost Kat
08-07-2008, 02:20 PM
I agree i thought Weaver did ok in Summer League. He was who i was pluging in on Defense. I made a whole post a while back with our offensive and Defensive rotations. Adding Shannon Brown throws that off a little bit. I have no idea what Weaver could have done already to get on Larry's bad side and maybe Shannon doesn't make the team. But they made him a offer, Which takes money away from signing a post player. Unless Jordan and Bob Johnson don't care about the salary cap. Yes i thought our wings were pretty interchangable.

Richardson-Starter
Carroll-Offense
Weaver-Defense

Now you throw Shannon Brown in there and it truely makes me think someone might get traded in a package deal. Can't trade Felton, Who's DJ's backup?
Can't trade Wallace, Who starts? Morrison? Move J-Rich to SF?
I just don't understand, We needed one thing for sure a PF, We got a SG. He's a vet. Defensive player .... but it's still another guard and we haven't addressed our real needs yet. I'm sure Larry Brown knows better then me what this team needs. If you see him tell him to call me so I can stop trashing Shannon Brown.

davcbow
08-07-2008, 02:34 PM
I agree i thought Weaver did ok in Summer League. He was who i was pluging in on Defense. I made a whole post a while back with our offensive and Defensive rotations. Adding Shannon Brown throws that off a little bit. I have no idea what Weaver could have done already to get on Larry's bad side and maybe Shannon doesn't make the team. But they made him a offer, Which takes money away from signing a post player. Unless Jordan and Bob Johnson don't care about the salary cap. Yes i thought our wings were pretty interchangable.

Richardson-Starter
Carroll-Offense
Weaver-Defense

Now you throw Shannon Brown in there and it truely makes me think someone might get traded in a package deal. Can't trade Felton, Who's DJ's backup?
Can't trade Wallace, Who starts? Morrison? Move J-Rich to SF?
I just don't understand, We needed one thing for sure a PF, We got a SG. He's a vet. Defensive player .... but it's still another guard and we haven't addressed our real needs yet. I'm sure Larry Brown knows better then me what this team needs. If you see him tell him to call me so I can stop trashing Shannon Brown.

Have faith guys, I trust in LB and think they are doing the best thing for the team. Maybe there will be a trade of some kind and maybe there wont, but I still have faith in LB that he knows whats going on and steering those that aren't quite sure in the correct direction.... Lets give it time to happen, this is only August and a lot can happen between now and this years trade deadline....:cool:

MattD
08-07-2008, 02:43 PM
i love how everyone is giving larry brown the credit for this move too... um rod higgins and mj also call some shots here guys

lets not forget how theyve done so far... and this is too hyped. hes a bench rider who can help us out when were injured and stuff. athletic. nothing to exciting

Proudiddy
08-07-2008, 03:15 PM
I love the move. Great signing, great value. The guy can play D, and can score and attack the basket. He'll be a great sub/role playing guy... May eventually be a better version of Flip Murray.

spectre
08-07-2008, 03:37 PM
Can't trade Felton, Who's DJ's backup?

That was good! :p

I missed where you did the offense/defense thing...I'm with you on that one.

Matt...I have to think LB is dictating this roster (and honestly I can't argue with it...not like the other two have shown great skill in that so far), but no doubt they're all discussing it.

And I do agree, we're talking 12-15 depth guys...but we have nothing else to talk about! You can only say so much about the schedule!

Over on Charlotte.com one poster told me the Bobcats were sending an email out to season ticket holders, which doesn't sound like something you'd do for an un-guaranteed guy. If I were Weaver I'd be worried.

Keetch
08-07-2008, 04:52 PM
If someone sneezes the Bobcats send an email out to tell the season ticket holders, so I wouldn't give that much cred.

I'm very very surprised , but not unhappy at all with Shannon Brown, I think he's potentially a good role player, with an excitement factor to boot; but totally agree that he's redundant with Weaver. We'll see how it goes; I'm not going to worry about it. Let the better player win the job. I like that Weaver is like 6-6 though; but so's my brother.

I don't think this portends any major trades at all, not at all. That doesn't mean the Cats aren't working on something, but who fricking knows?

dr aj
08-07-2008, 06:36 PM
Signed to a Contract would be the key sentence to that statement. And of all the free agents we picked Shannon Brown? Has Shannon Brown proven he's a good NBA player yet? Hasn't he play'd for three different teams in three yrs? Maybe it's only two teams, But i know he didn't get alot of time in Cleveland and it's not like Lebron really had anyone on the bench he could turn to. If Shannon Brown can't Out play slow foot Wally for the starting job....Do we really need him? I've read what has been said about him being a good defender and that he likes to run on the break. Matt Carroll doesn't give us much on the defensive side, But i don't think adding another wing is what the team needs. We are going to end up like the Knicks, All Guards, No big men.

You only need one look at his stat page and you will see where he has played and for how long.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shannon_brown/career_stats.html

He played with Cleveland for one years. And slow foot Wally wasn't on the Cavs team when Brown was there. Brown was apart of the 3 team trade that sent him to Chicago.

He has been back and forth in the D-League and hasn't even been on an NBA team for even half a season. He played with Iowa and apparently averaged 25 ppg, it must've been easy there, but when he came to the NBA he saw little minutes.

I definately don't want the Bobcats to be like the Knicks with guards left right and center, Foward/Centers should be our main concern.
But remember, Brown was only signed to a league minimum or something, so he may not be of a big issue, but then again, why sign him?

Because he can do this:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-X-OxMJz8

Ghost Kat
08-07-2008, 08:43 PM
You had me on your side till you said D-league. Anytime you go from the NBA to the D-league something has gone wrong. And your right i didn't look at his stat page before i started my rant. Bad prep on my part. But if he is a 12-15 player, Doesn't he play the same role as Weaver basically? Shannon maybe more athletic then Weaver. But Weaver's Taller, Might be a better on ball defender, Younger. Plus He can play the one, two or three for the Bobcats. If he is a "just in case" player, I'm happy to have him. But i hope he only gets used at the end of the year when we need to rest our starters for the play offs

TheBeagle
08-08-2008, 12:17 AM
If someone sneezes the Bobcats send an email out to tell the season ticket holders, so I wouldn't give that much cred.

LOL!!!!!!! That was damn funny, el Keetcho. I actually did LOL on that one.

As far as the email...I got one today and all it mentioned was the released schedule, Mek re-signing, and that DJ Augustin jerseys are for sale. Though there might have been something in there about Buzz Peterson hiccuping after breakfast on July 30th...;)

dvdbumpus
08-08-2008, 12:27 AM
Thing is, he was injured for the first season with Cleveland, then went to the d-league to get some reps in. Also, with Chicago there was no need for him to play as they had such a glut of guards.

Eric Snow was also one of Mike Brown's "guys", to go along Larry Hughes and Sasha Pavolovic and Daniel Gibson.

Brown is roster filler space and is more for injury space. They will probably send alexis and Weaver to the d-league and let Brown be the filler as the 3rd PG/SG, since they're looking to develop their draft picks. That's probably a big reason for the pickup - to send Weaver to the d-league as there are some doubts about him and he needs seasoning.

Here's Brown's d-league stats:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=shannon_brown