What's the hold up????????

[mrtarheel]

The bucks, cavs and okc agree to a six player trade. How come we are just sitting around twiddling our thumbs. There were parts in that trade that we could have used to our advantage seeing that they had to add players to make the trade work. I'm not a gm or coach or anything but does anyone think the way Joe Smith played in the playoffs that he could have work with our offense. I read in hoopsworld where we have at least 8 mill. still out there that can be used on multiple players if we chose to. Sure Joe Smith is old but he at least gives us a backup at a position we need badly. I ran a trade thru the trade machine in which we gave up Carrol and Ammo and got back CV and Sasha Pavolivic with those same teams and could have squeezed in DJ White also. The FO has to creative and make something happen at the pf position fast. Time waits for no one and neither does any of these teams which will have there teams set already working out rotations.

[ammofan]

This is ridiculous. the FO made me mad already by trading Dream Weaver for NJ's 2nd rounder. Now a huge trade is pulled off and the Bobcats find out about it on ESPN.

And another thing is that the Cavs only gave up damon Jones and Joe Smith and scored a pretty darn good Point guard. That means that Sean may must be able to be traded for Boozer straight up!

[ohara831]

If Boozer was offered for May straight up, I bet our FO would likely pass on it thinking something funny was going on. Please guys, do something to address our PF position. We cannot rely on May, and Crash will get another concussion if he tries the spot. And our man A.A. is not yet ready for prime time.

[TheBeagle]

I was thinking a lot of the same things when I saw the trade on ESPN bottomline. Joe Smith is still a very effective player when given the PT, and he could start early in the season to give Jermareo and Sean time to see who will assume the role by mid December/early January or so, and even then, be a great piece off the bench...he lit us up last January in Charlotte doing just that!

The problem is, there's just no creativity here with the FO. The fact that the only people acquired during the off season are DJ (really good selection, I'll give them that, but still a rookie PG), Alexis, and "CG" Brown, indicates the "aptitude" of the people in charge.

It really is disheartening to see a good amount of teams making moves to enhance their team's performance next season, and all we get are a Brown signing and a Weaver trade for a 2nd rounder. Oh well, maybe the coach will, as he likes to say ad nauseum, "coach 'em up" and the players can win in spite of the uninspired FO.

[amour217]

Wow, even Joe Smith would've been an upgrade for us. He's no superstar, but he DEFINITELY would've solidified our PF spot. Our front office was caught with their pants down on this one.

[tamburello]

There 6 players in the trade and 4 of them have expiring contracts. OKC wanted to empty cap space and decrease the logjam at PG after Westbrook's arrival. Bucks wanted to get rid of Williams' huge contract and settled for Ridnour's 2 year left contract. Cavs wanted to win now, so took a huge risk by Williams' hefty contract as I said and threw 2 expirings. Tell me, who could we put in this deal as expiring contracts? What would be the role of Bobcats in such a trade?

Why you people are so harsh on FO, I really really don't understand it. You somehow find a way to blame them. A totally irrelevant trade happens and you blame them. Take it easy, guys :)

[jpf_v2.0]

What kills me is that people act like we have an abundance of pieces that another team might want. Anything we have that they might want is a core piece (Felton, Emeka, Crash, J-Rich) that we'd be hard-pressed to replace should we part with (I'm not saying they're untouchable, anyone can be had for the right price but realistically..).

Beyond them, we have nothing to really offer up.

We don't have cap room to absorb a contract that a team wants to get rid of, whether it be a player we actually want or a situation where a team is willing to give up enough to make us interested just because they really want to get rid of the contract.

We don't have expiring contracts to part with. The closest we have are the team options that Morrison and Dudley have next year, or May & Felton being RFA's next year.

Hell, we don't even have a first round pick to part with because most teams aren't going to take one from us knowing we already owe Denver one.

I'm not trying to bash what we do have, but if you're a team looking for a trade partner, what exactly do we have that we would realistically part with that would get you to pick up the phone and call us?

[TheBeagle]

The point of this particular FO criticism of ours is they need to be creative here. No one said it would be easy to get a legit 4 for us, but these guys are getting paid to do little else but find ways to improve the team, and with some creativity and imagination, something could be done to acquire someone at least in the mold of a Joe Smith. What could they do? I don't know; I'm not an amateur GM, but these guys (MJ, Higgins, coach) are pros, so I'd expect some sort of inspired thinking.

Also, if you want to take the argument that they don't have the pieces to realistically make a move to get any better talent, then, consequently, they deserve the blame there because it's their job to acquire talent in the first place. We wouldn't have a roster of "non-desireables" outside of our core if we had a competent FO.

Maybe some of us are being too harsh on the FO, but I think others are too forgiving.

[tamburello]

The point of this particular FO criticism of ours is they need to be creative here. No one said it would be easy to get a legit 4 for us, but these guys are getting paid to do little else but find ways to improve the team, and with some creativity and imagination, something could be done to acquire someone at least in the mold of a Joe Smith. What could they do? I don't know; I'm not an amateur GM, but these guys (MJ, Higgins, coach) are pros, so I'd expect some sort of inspired thinking.

Also, if you want to take the argument that they don't have the pieces to realistically make a move to get any better talent, then, consequently, they deserve the blame there because it's their job to acquire talent in the first place. We wouldn't have a roster of "non-desireables" outside of our core if we had a competent FO.

Maybe some of us are being too harsh on the FO, but I think others are too forgiving.
You may be right to some extent about lack of talent and people responsible about this, but this is not the point. We're talking about this particular question. I'm not forgiving towards FO, actually I'm still pissed about DJ Augustin selection and will be, but being so critical over them is somehow unfair. They have done many wrong things, so let's criticize them about these specific issues, not for the things that they have nothing to do.

[jpf_v2.0]

No one is saying to forgive them for past blunders, and I see what you're saying about hoping they get creative and find a way, but getting creative only works if you find a partner that likes it.

[dav7z]

There 6 players in the trade and 4 of them have expiring contracts. OKC wanted to empty cap space and decrease the logjam at PG after Westbrook's arrival. Bucks wanted to get rid of Williams' huge contract and settled for Ridnour's 2 year left contract. Cavs wanted to win now, so took a huge risk by Williams' hefty contract as I said and threw 2 expirings. Tell me, who could we put in this deal as expiring contracts? What would be the role of Bobcats in such a trade?

Why you people are so harsh on FO, I really really don't understand it. You somehow find a way to blame them. A totally irrelevant trade happens and you blame them. Take it easy, guys :)


Agreeded , you people think a hasty bad move is better than taking your time and making a good move. Another thing we don't have that many tradable pieces. Morrison , May , Dudley , I bet you when we do end up trading Morrison or Dudley most of you will get pissed about that. Damn give L.Brown at least one season .

What has MJ done thets so bad ?,But get you guys J.Rich . resigned Wallace , Mek. All bad moves ha. Eighty percent of Bobcats planet wanted Morrison , on draft day around hear. Yes Carrolls contract might have been a little larger than should have. Vincent told M.J he needed a center so MJ got him one Nazz, and I didn't consider that a bad deal either. We didn't lose nothing on Weaver we got a second for him . If he could play, Brown would have not cut him. And all you hear is how stupid the frunt office is because of cuting a damn second round draft pick. What is this board coming too blame the Bobcats at ever move ever team makes in the NBA . And blame the frunt office for everthing.
Personaly i think we have made more good moves in the last two years than bad. M J hasn't done that bad of job. List your pros and cons on MJ . In my mind it's a hell of a lot more pros . Vincent being his worst con and he corected that fast in Lary Brown.

[davcbow]

Agreeded , you people think a hasty bad move is better than taking your time and making a good move. Another thing we don't have that many tradable pieces. Morrison , May , Dudley , I bet you when we do end up trading Morrison or Dudley most of you will get pissed about that. Damn give L.Brown at least one season .

What has MJ done thets so bad ?,But get you guys J.Rich . resigned Wallace , Mek. All bad moves ha. Eighty percent of Bobcats planet wanted Morrison , on draft day around hear. Yes Carrolls contract might have been a little larger than should have. Vincent told M.J he needed a center so MJ got him one Nazz, and I didn't consider that a bad deal either. We didn't lose nothing on Weaver we got a second for him . If he could play, Brown would have not cut him. And all you hear is how stupid the frunt office is because of cuting a damn second round draft pick. What is this board coming too blame the Bobcats at ever move ever team makes in the NBA . And blame the frunt office for everthing.
Personaly i think we have made more good moves in the last two years than bad. M J hasn't done that bad of job. List your pros and cons on MJ . In my mind it's a hell of a lot more pros . Vincent being his worst con and he corected that fast in Lary Brown.


I couldnt have said it better myself.....:cool:

[mrtarheel]

The bucks need someone behind Jefferson or Redd. You tell me that they wouldn't take a chance on Ammo being a back up instead of Damon Jones which is owed more than Morrison? Who do you see that can hit the 3 on okc's team better than Carroll and they took Desmond Mason? Far as saying we have no trading pieces those two options there are better for those teams than the ones they got. Oh and Joe Smith will play pf behind Green, Wilcox and who else? Heck if thats the case we could have gave up one and took Wilcox and still had a roster spot open just in case. Look at Portland, Roy had surgery out 4 to 6 weeks they need a backup just in case for him but they have Outlaw whom they don't like and are talking of using Webster at the 3. Give them a homecoming with Morrison going back out west, Ajinca who they can send packing and picks. Sure it sounds onesided but just maybe not if you try it. That's what is missing TRYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jpf_v2.0]

The bucks need someone behind Jefferson or Redd. You tell me that they wouldn't take a chance on Ammo being a back up instead of Damon Jones which is owed more than Morrison?

Wow, a whole 300K more than Morrison this year then his contract expires.


Who do you see that can hit the 3 on okc's team better than Carroll and they took Desmond Mason?

Desmond Mason's contract also expires after this year whereas Carroll's has 4 years left on it.


Far as saying we have no trading pieces those two options there are better for those teams than the ones they got.

Perhaps in your opinion, but perhaps not for what those teams were trying to accomplish cap-wise, experience-wise, or other wise.



Oh and Joe Smith will play pf behind Green, Wilcox and who else? Heck if thats the case we could have gave up one and took Wilcox and still had a roster spot open just in case.

And then who starts at PF for them? Green they use at SF and Joe Smith at this point in his career is more a reserve than a starter.



Look at Portland, Roy had surgery out 4 to 6 weeks they need a backup just in case for him but they have Outlaw whom they don't like and are talking of using Webster at the 3. Give them a homecoming with Morrison going back out west, Ajinca who they can send packing and picks.

And what do we get from them for that? And just what picks do we have that they'd want? We already owe Denver a first rounder, so slim odds they'd take a 1st rounder that they could possibly not get until 2020.



Sure it sounds onesided but just maybe not if you try it. That's what is missing TRYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you know the front office isn't trying and just haven't been able to work out any deals without giving up way too much?

And God help us if/when they do work out a deal and you feel like they got robbed. :rolleyes:

[spectre]

The Bucks have newly drafted Alexander to back up Dickhead and they're now loaded at the 1 (4 players) as well as Charlie Bell and Damon Jones to back up Redd. What they need is a 4 as they only have Charlie V and the newly signed Elson (their fans are all shocked they got Jones instead of Smith).

Right now most aren't going to take on Hammer's contract as it's long and frontloaded. OKC seems to be all about rookie deals and expirings. They took Mason because 1) He's a local and they expected it'd help with the fanbase and 2) he's an expiring.

OKC might take Ammo for Smith (it'd work straight up) and that can still happen...but do we really want to do that? Thing is Smith is only good for 20-25 minutes per game...age is starting to tell on him. I don't hold a lot of hope for Ammo, but this move would pretty much equal a salary dump.

I doubt we could get Wilcox with Ammo and or Hammer. Ammo alone won't work salarywise, they won't like Hammer's contract, I don't want to include Duds or Davidson, we can't include Hollins and I doubt we would give up May and Ammo for him (if Wilcox wasn't an expiring I probably would).

It's just not as easy as some of you guys are making it out to be. There's a few teams that need a 4 and the 2 or 3 teams that have a decent one available aren't going to just give them away.

[spectre]

Dag JPF...if only I'd waited a few minutes you'd have saved me a load of typing! :p

Honestly, I'm not too confident the FO can even get a deal done that doesn't totally screw us over. I haven't forgotten that Crash for TJ thing yet and I doubt I will for a while. They might just do something just to do it and we end up being in a lot worse shape.

[TheBeagle]

Agreeded , you people think a hasty bad move is better than taking your time and making a good move. Another thing we don't have that many tradable pieces. Morrison , May , Dudley , I bet you when we do end up trading Morrison or Dudley most of you will get pissed about that. Damn give L.Brown at least one season .

What has MJ done thets so bad ?,But get you guys J.Rich . resigned Wallace , Mek. All bad moves ha. Eighty percent of Bobcats planet wanted Morrison , on draft day around hear. Yes Carrolls contract might have been a little larger than should have. Vincent told M.J he needed a center so MJ got him one Nazz, and I didn't consider that a bad deal either. We didn't lose nothing on Weaver we got a second for him . If he could play, Brown would have not cut him. And all you hear is how stupid the frunt office is because of cuting a damn second round draft pick. What is this board coming too blame the Bobcats at ever move ever team makes in the NBA . And blame the frunt office for everthing.
Personaly i think we have made more good moves in the last two years than bad. M J hasn't done that bad of job. List your pros and cons on MJ . In my mind it's a hell of a lot more pros . Vincent being his worst con and he corected that fast in Lary Brown.
First, I don't think any hasty move is adviseable, the Nazr trade for example smacked of hasty and the team lost 2 expirings and took on an albatross of a contract. If good, productive talent was returned for anyone outside of GW, JR or Mek, I wouldn't wine about anyone other than those 3 being traded.

As for the Ammo pick, I wasn't a BCP member then, but I can say I was disappointed with it (Gay was my choice) but learned to be okay with it.

Have to strongly disagree with your assessment of how the Weaver situation was handled. As I've said and will continue to say everywhere and at anytime someone says something like, "Weaver just didn't cut it at practice or SL so Brown cut him," that's horseshit logic. Kyle was never ever given a chance to make the team. The SL means nothing insofar as assessing talent is concerned. How else can you explain Alexis still being on the roster? Either the pick itself was stupid, or the handling of the pick was stupid; in any case, it makes the coach and the FO by extension like stupid. No one has convinced me otherwise.

Otherwise, I agree that MJ has done more good than bad. Vincent hiring speaks for itself. The Ammo pick could turn out to be a disaster. The Nazr trade was a kneejerk reaction, but at least he was productive. Outside of firing Vincent, and re-signig GW and Mek, MJ's best move was not picking up Othella's 3rd year option...then again, why'd he sign him in the first place?

Basically, it appears that all your hopes rest on what the current coach can do. We'll have the exact basic team that had a sad campaign last season, only with the additions of DJ and CG. I hope you're right about this, and I'm wrong, but I just don't have much faith in Larry Brown's decision-making skills in terms of talent evaluation. I think he can "coach 'em up" to a certain point, but what is his vision for the team? Will it work? Let's hope so.

[dav7z]

Beagle i agree with some of your assessments and disagree with others.
The Weaver thing . First i didn't like the pick i wanted CDR bad when he was still on the board but figured it must have been a reason [lock down defender and could play three positions] But it had to be Brown who made the decision to get rid of him . Somthing inturnal . Brown even made a commit about no one gets a free ride . We all thought it was Hollins . Then we offered Hollins a contract. Shortly after Weaver gets traded . Brown ment what he said and Weaver was a example. That being done just to show everone whos boss. And or the two just couldn't mesh toghter.
Bernie i think signed Harrington the year befor M J . Seems like i remember Bernie saying he wanted some experiance at P/F. We have had a P/F problem ever sence we signed May as hes never had a healthy season. We will address that be for season starts this year . As most ive read we adding a P/F.
Im thinking it's coming down to thease three players.
Offering either Bass and or Landrey a contract with our MLE. Or the team is trading Morrison for Frye . The trade being the Bobcats first option . Of corse fillers would have to be added hear to make this go down. Trading would keep Bob out of the big money . So im thinking thats why we trying to go that way first. But either way a P/F will be hear at the begining of this season . We can't afford to take a chance on May being healthy again.
Next you can't say Nazz is a bust but i agree it was hasty deal because MJ was trying to give Biscuit the fire power he wanted. With that being said Nazz will be a good player to come off the beanch and back up MEK hes not much of a drop off and seems very relieable. Its other players with his role being a big making much more.
Morrison was by far the fans and and most popular pick . Morrison a proven scorer in college . How could MJ make a bad pick hear. Morrison being compared to Bird [Go back and read some old threads] Gay was considered to have up side but Morrison was a sure thing. So i can see why MJ picked Morrison with all the fan pressure and trying to fill the arena. That being said Morrison could come back and be a productive player.
Next Larry Brown and knowing talent. You have to know your talent if you can win a NCAA Championship and a NBA Championship. You don't just walk in and win both Championships with out knowing talant. Its hard to belive you can question a coaching carrer with all of his Championships. Its no way this guy doesn't know talent. How many other coaches can say they have won both Championships.

Last my hopes are about inproved coaching. Picking up a nice back up point guard and hoping our other first rounder can contribute befor seasons end.And Picking up a power foward . Taking our time doing it so we don't end up with another Harrington.
Ever one has to addmit this team has a solid core . We have just had sorry coaching and a hell of a lot of health issues.

[jpf_v2.0]

I wasn't a member here at the time, did the majority really want Morrison in the draft?

[gklanier]

Why didnt the Cats take a chance on PF Josh Powell? He could be on the verge of becoming a full time starter and would be at least as good if not better than ant PF the Cats have on the roster now.

[jpf_v2.0]

It always kills me to hear people say "how come we didn't try for this player". We don't know that the front office didn't try to sign him and that the Lakers just offered more $$$.

And if the money was the same or even close to equal with us offering slightly more, who would you rather play for...the Lakers alongside Kobe & Odom on a legitimate contender in the 'glamor city', or the Bobcats who most people outside of Charlotte see as a franchise just trying to get their above water?

[dav7z]

I wasn't a member here at the time, did the majority really want Morrison in the draft?


I think a few wanted Gay like Big Slam if im corect but most wanted Morrison like Mustachio. Its beeen a while so im not exactly sure who wanted who. We all so had a lot of different people back then like Captin Crunch, Tar Heel . Wallace15 to name a few.


To respound to us not going after Powell .
Like i said in a early post im thinking we going after a stronger P/F
Landrey might be for the picking sence Artest just signed for the Rockets?
Bass has not signed yet as far as i know .
Im still thinking we are trying to work out a deal for Frye as the Blazers have no need for him this year but they not going to give him away either .

I think three years at 4 milion a year gets Landrey. Though i would rather us lock him for about five years at around twenty milion. That would be a premium price for a starting P/F and not over kill for a rotation solid back up.

[davcbow]

I think a few wanted Gay like Big Slam if im corect but most wanted Morrison like Mustachio. Its beeen a while so im not exactly sure who wanted who. We all so had a lot of different people back then like Captin Crunch, Tar Heel . Wallace15 to name a few.


To respound to us not going after Powell .
Like i said in a early post im thinking we going after a stronger P/F
Landrey might be for the picking sence Artest just signed for the Rockets?
Bass has not signed yet as far as i know .
Im still thinking we are trying to work out a deal for Frye as the Blazers have no need for him this year but they not going to give him away either .

I think three years at 4 milion a year gets Landrey. Though i would rather us lock him for about five years at around twenty milion. That would be a premium price for a starting P/F and not over kill for a rotation solid back up.

We are already over the salary cap are we able to sign any one else?
with signing Mek to his new contract we are around $62,182,262.00 and the luxury Tax Limit is $71.150.000. Can anyone clear this up for me?:cool:

[jpf_v2.0]

I think a few wanted Gay like Big Slam if im corect but most wanted Morrison like Mustachio. Its beeen a while so im not exactly sure who wanted who. We all so had a lot of different people back then like Captin Crunch, Tar Heel . Wallace15 to name a few.


I didn't know this place existed then or I'd have been over here.

At the time of that draft I was posting on a Panthers board that had a Bobcats sub-forum. Most there wanted either Roy (myself included) or Gay. There were a few that wanted Morrison, but they were the extreme minority.

[jpf_v2.0]

We are already over the salary cap are we able to sign any one else?
with signing Mek to his new contract we are around $62,182,262.00 and the luxury Tax Limit is $71.150.000. Can anyone clear this up for me?:cool:

We still have exceptions we can use to sign players (mid level & biannual), and we can still sign players for the league minimum.

[dav7z]

We are already over the salary cap are we able to sign any one else?
with signing Mek to his new contract we are around $62,182,262.00 and the luxury Tax Limit is $71.150.000. Can anyone clear this up for me?:cool:
We still have the MLE whitch is around 5 milion and the biannual at around 2 milion. Like you stating we still around nine milion under the luxury tax.
So signing Landery could be done . The Rockets wouldn't want to match a decent offer because they all ready in the luxery tax . And if they matched the 4 molion offer it would cost them eight million. Thats why i say Landery is very realistic.
With the expirings next year we should stay out of luxery tax truble depending a lot on how OK50s contract is layed out.

[tamburello]

Bass has not signed yet as far as i know .

Dave, Brandon Bass is signed to a non-guaranteed contract at the moment, however Mavs will not waive him until October 1, thus he will not be a free agent and remain with Mavs one more year.

If Landry would fill our needs, he can be considered. But, I'm not sure what kind of a PF he is. Is he an undersized banger PF, who scores most of his points after offensive rebounds with putbacks etc, or a real low post scorer with a variety of weapons down low? I don't think he might be the latter, because it's very difficult to find these kind of players. So I'm not sure a fighter would solve our problems.

And as said, we're still armed with all of exceptions.

[TheBeagle]

Beagle i agree with some of your assessments and disagree with others.
The Weaver thing . First i didn't like the pick i wanted CDR bad when he was still on the board but figured it must have been a reason [lock down defender and could play three positions] But it had to be Brown who made the decision to get rid of him . Somthing inturnal . Brown even made a commit about no one gets a free ride . We all thought it was Hollins . Then we offered Hollins a contract. Shortly after Weaver gets traded . Brown ment what he said and Weaver was a example. That being done just to show everone whos boss. And or the two just couldn't mesh toghter.
Bernie i think signed Harrington the year befor M J . Seems like i remember Bernie saying he wanted some experiance at P/F. We have had a P/F problem ever sence we signed May as hes never had a healthy season. We will address that be for season starts this year . As most ive read we adding a P/F.
Im thinking it's coming down to thease three players.
Offering either Bass and or Landrey a contract with our MLE. Or the team is trading Morrison for Frye . The trade being the Bobcats first option . Of corse fillers would have to be added hear to make this go down. Trading would keep Bob out of the big money . So im thinking thats why we trying to go that way first. But either way a P/F will be hear at the begining of this season . We can't afford to take a chance on May being healthy again.
Next you can't say Nazz is a bust but i agree it was hasty deal because MJ was trying to give Biscuit the fire power he wanted. With that being said Nazz will be a good player to come off the beanch and back up MEK hes not much of a drop off and seems very relieable. Its other players with his role being a big making much more.
Morrison was by far the fans and and most popular pick . Morrison a proven scorer in college . How could MJ make a bad pick hear. Morrison being compared to Bird [Go back and read some old threads] Gay was considered to have up side but Morrison was a sure thing. So i can see why MJ picked Morrison with all the fan pressure and trying to fill the arena. That being said Morrison could come back and be a productive player.
Next Larry Brown and knowing talent. You have to know your talent if you can win a NCAA Championship and a NBA Championship. You don't just walk in and win both Championships with out knowing talant. Its hard to belive you can question a coaching carrer with all of his Championships. Its no way this guy doesn't know talent. How many other coaches can say they have won both Championships.

Last my hopes are about inproved coaching. Picking up a nice back up point guard and hoping our other first rounder can contribute befor seasons end.And Picking up a power foward . Taking our time doing it so we don't end up with another Harrington.
Ever one has to addmit this team has a solid core . We have just had sorry coaching and a hell of a lot of health issues. Understood. And we definitely agree on more subjects than not, for what it's worth. I'll just comment on a couple things:

1. I'm about 90% sure that Harrington was an MJ signing; in fact, it was a big deal at the time because it was his first FA signing as a Bobcat member.

2. I never said that Nazr was a bust; I just pointed out it was a hasty move and kneejerk reaction that lost us two expiring contracts. The fact that Nazr produced and is a really good team player keeps it from being anything close to disastrous.

3. On the Ammo thing: I pretty much agree 100%, but I see it more like how could MJ make a good pick here? If he goes with Roy or Gay, there's going to be some sort of racial backlash about not drafting the "Great white hope". Conversely, going with Ammo brought lots of criticism then and now, as many thought 3 was too high for him. Of all the years to be able to pick 3rd, it was just the Bobcats luck it was 2006; not the year before or after.

4. I hope you're right about getting a 4. But I see it like jpf; it's going to have to be a trade because no significant FA is going to come to Charlotte of his own volition; it really is viewed as the armpit of the league by players and media, unfortunately :(

5. As for Larry Brown: he's won ONE NBA championship and ONE NCAA championship. That is an impressive feat, but it's not like he's won multiple championships, so there is no "all of his championships." Now, the talent was already in place in Detroit; give all credit to Dumars in the talent-assessing department there. Brown came in and "coached 'em up", which he excels at, but he had nothing to do with the talent. Why do you think he wore out his welcome in Detroit?

Also, he was a pretty good recruiter at Kansas, but his key signee, Danny Manning only wound up at the school because Brown promised Manning's dad that he would be an assistant if Manning came to Kansas.

Like I said, I have no doubt he can "coach 'em up", but I have my misgivings about what sort of roster he's going to have in place however long he is here. His first draft, and the fallout from it, have me a little shaky, but you're right, we do have a good core, and thankfully they have remained untouched. If things go the way we want them, I won't waste any time saying how much of an idiot I was to question him; I promise all of y'all that!!

[jpf_v2.0]

Jordan was here when the FO signed Harrington. Harrington was signed in July of 06, about a month after Jordan officially became a co-owner.

[dav7z]

Jordan was here when the FO signed Harrington. Harrington was signed in July of 06, about a month after Jordan officially became a co-owner.


It must have been a MJ. signing. All i remembered was Bernie wanting a power foward with experiance. I don't think Bernie ment compleatly washed up. lol
Agreeded MJ has made some mistakes . But if it wasn't for MJ i don't think we would have got Jswish, resigned OK50 and Wallace . MJ has tryed to let his coaches have what they wanted, Example trading away a first round pick to get AA. because thats the player Brown wanted good or bad move only time will tell . Im still hoping it's a great move just hoping. Another thing it's no way MJ. trades away Dream Weaver unless L.B tells him to . It just would not make sence at all any other way . So any Deram Weaver cuts needs to be addresed to LB and i for one respect LB s moves til he proves to me different . And as far as im concerned if we give Biscuit a year LB deserves at least that much time.