Sarah Palin

[ziggy]

I'm an Obama supporter, so there was no chance that McCain was going to get my vote anyway, but it amazes me how the Republican party can support this train wreck of a vice presidential nominee. Its hard to believe that they are willing to put her one 72 year old heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.
What the Hell??

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[dnbman]

Its hard to believe that they are willing to put her one 72 year old heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.

Why does this surprise you? We ELECTED the latest Bush with no heartbeats keeping away from leading the free world.

I'm going to vote and believe in public discourse. However, the last 16 years of public politics has been one giant reality TV show that offered little in the way of substance.

We might as well just nominate Ted Nugent and Angelina Jolie for presidential nominees, throwing in Tom Cruise as the dark horse third party member. Bono could moderate.

Really, let's just take this to the logical conclusion.

[SWedd523]

It looks like he's going for the Hillary votes. Trying to pick up the ladies that want a woman in the office so badly. She's also young like Obama so he may be trying to get the "hip, young vote"

He said he knew about Palin's daughter's pregnancy and decided to pick her anyway which shows a sense of compassion so he'll get some sympathy votes.

I think he picked her to get himself in office and didn't consider the possible ramifications his death and her subsequent position as president would have. I for one don't want some old guy that has a better chance of contracting Alzheimer's than he does leading this country, and I damn sure don't want some bad parent woman with relatively no political experience leading this country who runs the risk of being on her period and hitting "the little red button"

ObamaCATS FTW!:biggrin:

[Muttley]

Yeah, Palin kinda seems gimmicky, if you ask me. Hopefully it was the one last desperate grasp at votes from the McCain side.

[ziggy]

Why does this surprise you? We ELECTED the latest Bush with no heartbeats keeping away from leading the free world.

dnbman, your 1000% right, this shouldn't surprise me... but despite seeing it year after year and decade after decade, I'm repeatedly amazed at the bizarre decisions that the people in power make time and time again.

[tamburello]

Pardon me for being involved in this topic as a non-American, however I have to say something.

In my point of view, US Presidential Elections are nothing but ridiculous. I mean, I have never seen such a thing like "donating x thousand dollars for y's campaign". What is this? Does "a person" win an election, or "how much money he/she spends" win? Do you elect a person for his/her qualities and things he/she offers, or how flashy his/her campaign is? Do you care about politics or advertisements?

I get very excited when conservative people get into trouble just because of their stance. You see Palin, she's strongly against abortion, so probably sexual intercourse before marriage. But look at her daughter's pregnancy. Man, this is so fucking funny.

Obama will win anyway, but I'm not interested in who wins. I'm interested in war in Iraq, how new president would clean the mess that Bush created there. Hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqi people are dying every day. Hopefully there are not any people here who still supports American occupation in Iraq.

[x2pacalypse]

sarah palin - VPILF

but seriously, the republican party just destroyed any remaining chance they had at winning...i honestly don't think half the country is stupid enough to vote for mccain...then again, they voted for bush...so who knows

[spectre]

I do NOT mix Bobcats and politics. However...I do moderate a totally dead political board that could use some new members and discussion. The main thing (and why it's dead now) is that like BCP posters must respect each other; no flame wars. Both sides of the equation are welcome.

Cuckooznest (http://bb.bbboy.net/cuckooznest)

Apologies to Zig if this is inappropriate.

[ziggy]

I do NOT mix Bobcats and politics. However...I do moderate a totally dead political board that could use some new members and discussion. The main thing (and why it's dead now) is that like BCP posters must respect each other; no flame wars. Both sides of the equation are welcome.

Cuckooznest (http://bb.bbboy.net/cuckooznest)

Apologies to Zig if this is inappropriate.
No problems Spectre ,
You've earned the right to drop a few links here and there :)

[Ghost Kat]

I am also a Obama support and someone that donated X dollars to Y's campaign. We should all be interested in this election. I've only voted twice and was under the idea that my vote never really mattered. Then Bush stole the election, took us to war,people i went to high school with come home in a box. They tap our phones, pass laws the reduce our american rights and then let thousands of people die on purpose after Hurricane Katrina. Bush should have been impeached long ago!! But people still feel like their voice doesn't matter. We go on with our daily life like the people in Washington and the shit they get this country into is on the other side of the world.

We started a war with Iraq on lies and not for freedom, It was for oil and now we pay $4 a gallon for that freedom. There is no earthy reason why Obama shouldnt win, But i watch TV. There are some greedy, ignorant racist people out there. U have to wonder what your kids life might be like in 10 or 20 yrs if McCain gets elected. Now they trying t say Sara the MILF Palin is more ready to be Prez then Obama cuz she was the mayor of a town of 9,000 people. There are high schools in New York with more people then that. Oh plus she was the Governor of a state thats 47th in population. We really need to wake up in this country........

[dnbman]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-palin-religion_06sep06,0,3371419.story

This article scares me a little bit. I don't mind the President having faith, but being a person who takes a literal interpretation of the Bible scares me greatly. If you believe that Armageddon is right around the corner and what really matters is the after life, it seems you could make some pretty horrific choices. I appreciate her desire to rid government of corruption, but replacing it with theocracy isn't exactly the way to go.

Obviously, the writer of this article may be way off base. However, there's a clip of Palin speaking at an Assembly of God church where she says some things that back this article up rather plainly.

Again, I don't mind a person of faith. However, I don't want a president who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old and has a nuclear arsenal to fight against the Beast.

[Keetch]

with ya 100% there Dnbman.

I live in a neighborhood that has a lot of McCain signs out in the yards; so we went and bought 2 Obama signs (for $10 each). As we figured...they've been stolen. It took one week. McCain signs are still out there though.

At least for now.

[Muttley]

with ya 100% there Dnbman.

I live in a neighborhood that has a lot of McCain signs out in the yards; so we went and bought 2 Obama signs (for $10 each). As we figured...they've been stolen. It took one week. McCain signs are still out there though.

That's pretty lame. I'm sorry that happened.

[Keetch]

Its probably not good to mix politics and sports Zig...and heres why...

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Sorry there was no way I was going to post what I just wrote.....

[dnbman]

Its probably not good to mix politics and sports Zig...and heres why...

<edited for vileness>

Sorry there was no way I was going to post what I just wrote.....

Yeah, I kind of felt awkward after posting here about Palin, but I'm a sucker for posting when I think something needs to be said. I probably won't mention politics again.

[Keetch]

I went to Obama headquarters here to inquire about new yard signs and mentioned mine had been stolen. The guy there said that it might have been Obama people, because the demand for the signs is huge.

I said I doubted it since they left the wire things in the ground.

I'm leaving those out there though as a reminder to all my McCain neighbors that they've got thieves amongst them...not that they'll get the point.

Now I'm watching Palin and McCain on MSNBC talking about "change" very strongly. A nice old repub Rovian tactic. Take the others point and fill you own vacuum by owning it for yourself. After all its just talk. These people are repulsive.

Signing off of politics now too.

[TheBeagle]

I am also a Obama support and someone that donated X dollars to Y's campaign. We should all be interested in this election. I've only voted twice and was under the idea that my vote never really mattered. Then Bush stole the election, took us to war,people i went to high school with come home in a box. They tap our phones, pass laws the reduce our american rights and then let thousands of people die on purpose after Hurricane Katrina. Bush should have been impeached long ago!! But people still feel like their voice doesn't matter. We go on with our daily life like the people in Washington and the shit they get this country into is on the other side of the world.

We started a war with Iraq on lies and not for freedom, It was for oil and now we pay $4 a gallon for that freedom. There is no earthy reason why Obama shouldnt win, But i watch TV. There are some greedy, ignorant racist people out there. U have to wonder what your kids life might be like in 10 or 20 yrs if McCain gets elected. Now they trying t say Sara the MILF Palin is more ready to be Prez then Obama cuz she was the mayor of a town of 9,000 people. There are high schools in New York with more people then that. Oh plus she was the Governor of a state thats 47th in population. We really need to wake up in this country........
CKat, I love your passion and your belief that this country still has a chance to resemble what it once did!

The problem is, no change will happen without revolution, plain and simple. Washington will continue to be a den of theives and the politicians there will continue to make Caligula blush with their actions. Because of the military's blind obedience to the governing body, there is no chance at a true revolution, as they would mow us down with automatic rifles and such, and drop bombs in the places we gather.

After the last election when Bush defeated Kerry rather easily, any sort of faith in this country, its leaders, its constituents, the common man, etc., died. Bipartisan politics have split this country up so much, Repulicans would vote for Lucifer if he ran on their ticket just to spite the Dems, and vice versa. I dislike, or rather, have zero confidence in either of the individuals who call themselves candidates in the upcoming election. The fact that these two are the best they could cull from their respective parties in such an important election, like CKat says, indicates how futile believing in politics and the United States government is.

To show my displeasure, and to make a symbolic statement, I'll be voting for Queen Elizabeth II as a write-in. We tried colonial independence; it worked for a while; no one heeded Lincoln's warning about corporations and their destructive influence on this country; "we, the people" re-elect George W. Bush president; take us back under your wings, sweet Albion!!!!

Thank God for sports....

[CMc$]

I had no idea the body of bobcatsplanet was so disillusioned and downtrodden. Here's to all of you finding some hope and a candidate you can root for one day.

While the country has been suck-land for awhile, I'm still thankful I'm here as opposed to 80 to 90% of the planet's land mass.

[Muttley]

I had no idea the body of bobcatsplanet was so disillusioned and downtrodden. Here's to all of you finding some hope and a candidate you can root for one day.

While the country has been suck-land for awhile, I'm still thankful I'm here as opposed to 80 to 90% of the planet's land mass.

I'm sorry, but you'll have to help me out here. Where was it that people said they hated America? I've mostly read from people that just want improvement. If we didn't try to improve ourselves all the time, then we would quickly lose our status as the best nation on Earth because there are other countries that are improving themselves. I may be misinterpreting you. Please correct me if that's the case.

While a revolution would easily be the quickest way to change things for the better, I don't feel it's necessary. The country has improved gradually over the centuries and will continue to do so. Maybe these last 8 years were the wake-up call that we needed to realize that the people we elect can make a difference for better or worse.

[CMc$]

I'm sorry, but you'll have to help me out here. Where was it that people said they hated America? I've mostly read from people that just want improvement. If we didn't try to improve ourselves all the time, then we would quickly lose our status as the best nation on Earth because there are other countries that are improving themselves. I may be misinterpreting you. Please correct me if that's the case.

While a revolution would easily be the quickest way to change things for the better, I don't feel it's necessary. The country has improved gradually over the centuries and will continue to do so. Maybe these last 8 years were the wake-up call that we needed to realize that the people we elect can make a difference for better or worse.

It was intended to be a positive post on my part, but might have come off wrong. Sorry if so, I was just a little suprised at the dire tone of the thread. Politics are a drag.

[Muttley]

It was intended to be a positive post on my part, but might have come off wrong. Sorry if so, I was just a little suprised at the dire tone of the thread. Politics are a drag.

Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, talking politics usually ends bad, unless you're discussing it with people that you mostly agree with.

[dnbman]

Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, talking politics usually ends bad, unless you're discussing it with people that you mostly agree with.

Back to your earlier point:

I love America. I'm just not overly impressed with our options for President.

I'm hoping that somehow people's ability to spread information on the internet eventually makes people more savvy about their decisions, forcing politicians to have real ideas.

But, who knows. Considering the number of "VPILF" jokes going around, things could be going in the opposite direction.

[Muttley]

Back to your earlier point:

I love America. I'm just not overly impressed with our options for President.

I'm hoping that somehow people's ability to spread information on the internet eventually makes people more savvy about their decisions, forcing politicians to have real ideas.

But, who knows. Considering the number of "VPILF" jokes going around, things could be going in the opposite direction.

Yeah, I hear ya. Teaching college students, it's hard to tell whether they care at all about the future or anything for that matter. Many would probably watch "The Hills" than consider the state of things on Capitol Hill. There are certainly a few bright ones out there though.

[SWedd523]

Yeah, I hear ya. Teaching college students, it's hard to tell whether they care at all about the future or anything for that matter. Many would probably watch "The Hills" than consider the state of things on Capitol Hill. There are certainly a few bright ones out there though.

I'm only in high school but I consider my self very savvy when it comes to the real world and politics. I will definitely agree that the majority of people in my generation could care less about their future and more about going to parties and getting messed up. Sure that's fun. (sike)

Really though, I learned at a young age to keep myself in the Honors Lane. I'll be graduating school with at least a 4.3 and I've scored a 1300 on the SAT (and I'm a three sport athlete so I'm not a COMPLETE nerd:biggrin:), so its not like every person in my generation is completely naive and jaded.

I can hold my own with most of the "grown ups" when it comes to politics and political debates actually aren't too rare in my classes.

Don't lose all faith in us, remember I'll be one of the ones paying your social security! (If the Government doesn't change that decision in a few years, you damn baby boomers)

[BIGCatBobcat]

I'm only in high school but I consider my self very savvy when it comes to the real world and politics. I will definitely agree that the majority of people in my generation could care less about their future and more about going to parties and getting messed up. Sure that's fun. (sike)

Really though, I learned at a young age to keep myself in the Honors Lane. I'll be graduating school with at least a 4.3 and I've scored a 1300 on the SAT (and I'm a three sport athlete so I'm not a COMPLETE nerd:biggrin:), so its not like every person in my generation is completely naive and jaded.

I can hold my own with most of the "grown ups" when it comes to politics and political debates actually aren't too rare in my classes.

Don't lose all faith in us, remember I'll be one of the ones paying your social security! (If the Government doesn't change that decision in a few years, you damn baby boomers)

I'm just glad young people are saying sike again.

[superb1]

This thread started out talking about Palin. I will be as nice as possible when talking about her. But what was McCain thinking when choosing her for VP is what I first thought. Thinking about her inexperience and her being a women trying to go after the Hillary voters. But after my wife kept reading news and "dirt" about her. She is the typical politician. She reminds me of the good ole boys I encountered while employed in Florida inder Jeb Bush's rule. She will be trouble if the are elected IMO. I'm sorry, I'm almost scared, scared the same way that some republicans are if Obama is elected. I think I may move to Canada if McCain/Palin is elected. lol.

In short, I'm scared, even of Obama to a point. reasons I wont discuss now.


But I say to everyone, GET OUT AND VOTE no matter who it is for.

[DirtyU11]

I am also a Obama support and someone that donated X dollars to Y's campaign. We should all be interested in this election. I've only voted twice and was under the idea that my vote never really mattered. Then Bush stole the election, took us to war,people i went to high school with come home in a box. They tap our phones, pass laws the reduce our american rights and then let thousands of people die on purpose after Hurricane Katrina. Bush should have been impeached long ago!! But people still feel like their voice doesn't matter. We go on with our daily life like the people in Washington and the shit they get this country into is on the other side of the world.

We started a war with Iraq on lies and not for freedom, It was for oil and now we pay $4 a gallon for that freedom. There is no earthy reason why Obama shouldnt win, But i watch TV. There are some greedy, ignorant racist people out there. U have to wonder what your kids life might be like in 10 or 20 yrs if McCain gets elected. Now they trying t say Sara the MILF Palin is more ready to be Prez then Obama cuz she was the mayor of a town of 9,000 people. There are high schools in New York with more people then that. Oh plus she was the Governor of a state thats 47th in population. We really need to wake up in this country........

Im so tired of people blaming the Bush administration for the results of Katrina. Last time i checked it is FEMA's job to deal with these issues not the president of the United States. He spent the next three days figuring out why FEMA failed during Katrina, not locked in a room trying to let people die. By reading everyones responses i can guess that most of you are democrats. All of you trying to support Obama by bashing Palin for her being in a real leadership position and not just a city organizer cant really think he is better suited. Sure he is a great speaker but i want an experienced president that can make a decision(McCain). You want us to pull out of Iraq??? What do you think is going to happen over there? When we pull out Iraq will be taken over by the military there and they will continue to plot against us. Do you honestly think they will just stop hating us and not try to kill us anymore? The lame arguement that Palin isnt quailfied because she runs a small town is ridiculous. She may run a state thats 47th in population but 90% of the people there love how she runs the state which is an astronomicle number. She knows how to spend money and her plan isnt to tax the shit out of us like Obama, she wants to cut out the luxary things the government has and doesnt need which is how it should be. Please tell me why you dont like her. I cant understand why people want to be overtaxed and pull out of a war that even if it was started over false information was going to happen regardless, but it is still protecting our safety here at home. Im expecting a flood of dissagreement :) but please have some evidence to back up your opinions and please state what the hell your plans are after we pull out of Iraq and forfeit all the progress made with the government there. Thanks.

[superb1]

You want us to pull out of Iraq What do you think is going to happen over there? When we pull out Iraq will be taken over by the military there and they will continue to plot against us. Do you honestly think they will just stop hating us and not try to kill us anymore?

Frankly I don't care about Iraq when we are struggling here. We all know Iraq was about oil but why the hell is gas so high. So it did not help in that aspect. As I remember, it was not Iraq or Saddam who bombed us, it was bin Laden. And to try to quote Obama, McCain said he would follow bin Laden to the gates of hells, but he won't follow him to the cave where he lives. The reason why the majority of Americans are fed up because lied about this war. So I can care less about Iraq. We had no reason to be there.

And on Palin, you may want to stop watching Fox and research some real data about her views.

[Keetch]

First off; I'm not a democrat; but an independant. I hadn't voted democratic during the 80's or 90's right up until Kerry and only voted for him out of desperation to remove Bush.

But I will vote for Obama for other reasons. He is intelligent. He is eloquent. He is humble. He is compassionate. He is reasonable. He is not dogmatic. He seems to have strong family values. He is not from Yale (skull & bones); yet is highly educated cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School. He is for unity and good work, instead of constant partisan politicking. His experience extends from the street (community) to business (law), education (taught constitutional law at U. of Chicago Law School); state government and national government. He has been vetted by years in the national spotlight; especially the last two.

He is also a "brown" man of a white mother and a black father. Now that bridges some serious bias and takes incredible courage. Really.

I am not an Obama homer nor a flaming democrat; but I hope I know sincerity when I see it.

I am sure Sarah Palin is a remarkable woman. The problem is no one knew who she was until about 2 weeks ago; and to see her introduction as a self-proclaimed "pit bull" attacking Obama with cheap talking points was distressing to say the least. Palin seems to be the device the RNC has chosen to help deliver mud for this campaign. Discrediting "community organizers" is an example of that. How absurd. A lot of American's are tired of the politics of personal destruction; yet to me its completely unremarkable that the RNC would spin a core honor, community service; into a point of shame. Shame on them.

Now we learn that she is a fundamentalist/creationist christian who tried to remove library books? That shows poor judgement in my mind; and disqualifies her from the national stage. Clearly, she was chosen to bring in the evangelical votes primarily and female votes second. I am sure she will succeed in that; I can see it happening around me. Perhaps that finds agreement with some folks reading the Planet; if so then I bow to your wisdom, shake hands and go on my way. You may please go yours.

Katrina. Agreed it wasn't GW's fault. It was an act of nature. But it is well documented that the federal response was horrifically slow and incompetent. As people were seriously, seriously suffering and crying for help, Mr. Bush flew to Mississippi, met with Haley Barbour and Michael Brown and proclaimed "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." Well, that insulted a few people it really did. It was the ultimate slap in the face from an administration known for the incompetence and corruption of cronyism. That is cronyism for huge personal gain at the expense of the nations taxpayers. In my mind; that's treasonous.

As Mr. Cheney so eloquently stated recently..."So?"

I don't know if Obama or McCain will win this election; but if its McCain I sure hope he remains healthy during his term in office. I really don't trust his replacement at this point in time.

[Ghost Kat]

DirtyU11

You can't be serious...

To say that Bush was not to blame for the totel fuck up in the aftermath of Katrina is being past dishonest. He put the Mike Brown in charge of FEMA. A man that in his previous job was a judge at a horse shoe!! They knew is was going to be the worse strom to hit that area in 100yrs. All the news people said it. If CNN can have a camera crew down there,Why can't the government bring help?? Then it took 3-4 days for anyone to show up with even a damn bottle of water. America watched it live on TV, meaning Bush knew what was happening too. He is the president, He said himself he takes "total" blame. For what thats worth So Yes, Hell Yes , he is responsible and needs to be impeached.

Palin....The town right next to me Fayettville,NC has more people in it then the town of Wasillia. Palin supports tax cuts for extremely rich people. Shes with the trickle down crowd think that money falls down to everyone else. Regan started it and our economy isn't seeing that boost they promised. Obama's plan has been proven to drop taxes on middle class under 250,000yr.
Palin has lied about seliing the plane on Ebay for a profit.
1. she put it up for bid 3 times no one ever bought it
2."The State" sold the plane for less then it was worth.
3.She lied about not supporting the bridge to no where, She did
4.Doesn't support birth control, Now her daughter pregnant.
5.She said in a statement to her chruch the iraq war "was a mission from god"
She has asked for millions in wasteful earmarks now says shes a fighter against wasteful spending. Lies....lies...lies
She has been a Governor for two yrs, a state very low in population. She has NO foreign experience. Now if McCains old cancer racked ass dies in office, Are you seriously happy with her as President?

[Ghost Kat]

Only in America could the stories of the two men running for president happen, Thats why i love his country. But not everyone gets that chance. This society isn't balanced. Since the first ships landed here the rich and powerful have ruled the working class. They feed us lies and distract us from what really important. If you listen, I mean actually listen to the things McCain/Palin & Obama/Biden say and still can't make up your mind, theres no hope. Two different paths for america, our country. U may not agree on every issue but I know there's something like War with a country that didn't attack you a big deal. We went to war for oil no other reason. People asking"what will happen when we leave" ...What will happen is they will stop fucking shooting at us. U would shoot too if a country invaded to get rid of your asshole leader then decided to stay. Plus they view their land as holy land, They don't even want us there, That half the reason more terrorist are made ever day. It's not cuz they hate our freedom. Come on really, Wake Up...We have been lied to over and over again. The only way we break this chain is by actively watching what they say and choosing what best for the whole country....



Obama/Biden "08"

[spectre]

Michael Jordan: “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” :cool:

[Dunk]

You want us to pull out of Iraq??? What do you think is going to happen over there? When we pull out Iraq will be taken over by the military there and they will continue to plot against us. Do you honestly think they will just stop hating us and not try to kill us anymore?


That's not true.


There has never been and never was a connection with al Qaeda and Iraq. The hijackers from 9/11 were predominately from Saudi Arabia. Sadam Hussein had to rule Iraq with an iron hand because that was the only way to get the Sunni and Shia to fall in line under one guy. Any sort of terrorist group or whatever would completely undermine and overthrow him.

Anyway, here is a list of the hijackers if you need further evidence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11_attacks

And here's King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia taking a nice stroll holding hands with our esteemed leader a couple years back. Cute couple. :)
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/radio/show05/bushlies2.jpg

The hypocrisy of this administration is amazing.



She knows how to spend money and her plan isnt to tax the shit out of us like Obama, she wants to cut out the luxary things the government has and doesnt need which is how it should be

You do realize with this adminstration that we have a record federal deficit, have spent a huge amount on what many feel is a misguided war, bailed out a number of financial institutions, seen a spike in inflation, and watched unemployment jump to 6.1%...I'm just sayin' that maybe the GOP doesn't really have a good handle on this sort of thing. With the exception of the Carter adminstration, a Democratic president usually does a better job with the economy.

[Ghost Kat]

Michael Jordan: “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” :cool:


They are the only one's that can afford his shoes at this point.

[ziggy]

Comedic GOLD from Tina Fey and company from Saturday Night Live

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6r7w2_snl-palin-clinton-show-intro_news

[dnbman]

Comedic GOLD from Tina Fey and company from Saturday Night Live

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6r7w2_snl-palin-clinton-show-intro_news

stitches. :)

[Ghost Kat]

Tina Fey has agreed to come back and play the role again.....

[ziggy]

I'm watching this VP debate, and the thought of Sarah Palin being a 72 year old former cancer patient's heartbeat away from the presidency is making me physically ill.

[Muttley]

I'm watching this VP debate, and the thought of Sarah Palin being a 72 year old former cancer patient's heartbeat away from the presidency is making me physically ill.

Say what you will about agreeing with or disagreeing with the other people involved in the presidential race, but her presence in it is insulting.

[ziggy]

Say what you will about agreeing with or disagreeing with the other people involved in the presidential race, but her presence in it is insulting.
Muttley, Truer words have never been spoken.

[dnbman]

Muttley, Truer words have never been spoken.

But she's gee darn cute and mavericky.

[ziggy]

But she's gee darn cute and mavericky.
and a "hockey mom" gosh darnit :banghead:

[Mustachio]

you guys do know that no matter who is elected nothing will change right?

just saying. don't get your hopes up. the next 4 years will be tough no matter who is president. nothing will change until we elect someone outside of the two party system. and neither of these candidates really represent change.


McCain says he will bring change, but he votes with Bush and the republican party a ton.
Obama says he will bring change, but I haven't heard a single new, non-democratic policy idea from him yet.

Its all the same shit, different year. Tamb is right.... its nothing more than two gigantic marketing campaigns that promise stuff to buy your vote and never fulfill.


sorry to be a pessimist but, my advice. Just make sure you are taking care of your business at home... because its gonna be another 4 years of the same ol thing in Washington.

[Mustachio]

That's not true.


There has never been and never was a connection with al Qaeda and Iraq. The hijackers from 9/11 were predominately from Saudi Arabia. Sadam Hussein had to rule Iraq with an iron hand because that was the only way to get the Sunni and Shia to fall in line under one guy. Any sort of terrorist group or whatever would completely undermine and overthrow him.

Anyway, here is a list of the hijackers if you need further evidence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11_attacks

And here's King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia taking a nice stroll holding hands with our esteemed leader a couple years back. Cute couple. :)
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/radio/show05/bushlies2.jpg

The hypocrisy of this administration is amazing.




You do realize with this adminstration that we have a record federal deficit, have spent a huge amount on what many feel is a misguided war, bailed out a number of financial institutions, seen a spike in inflation, and watched unemployment jump to 6.1%...I'm just sayin' that maybe the GOP doesn't really have a good handle on this sort of thing. With the exception of the Carter adminstration, a Democratic president usually does a better job with the economy.


ps. posting a picture of an Arab leader with a head dress walking with the president and calling him a hypocrite because we are at war with Iraq could be a little bit racist.

The president isnt allowed to walk with the president of a peaceful, developed Arab nation while fighting a war with a country that was once governed by a known genocidal maniac?

I could care less if you bash Bush... he brings it on himself and I'm not defending him by any means. But him walking with a peaceful Arab leader doesnt make him a hypocrite and has nothing to do with any decent honest political discussion.


and as far as Democratic presidents having better economic skills. thats just not true. If you ask me, Bill Clinton and the democratic congress mandating that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extend more than 50% of their mortgage buys to the low income market put us in this whole bad credit situation.

I am all for helping lower income citizens get a home. But Clinton made this possible by forcing a government lending institution to allow people who couldnt previously afford homes, buy them. Instead of working hard, sacrificing some things, and saving money to buy a home.... people were then just able to buy one up no matter what their financial situation. Its both the governments fault and the people who bought homes. But blaming this on the republican party just because it all came down during their reign is lazy, and ignorant.


In my opinion... for whatever thats worth... the main problem is personal responsibility. Everyone wants to blame the OTHER party instead of being honest and saying we have all jumped in over our heads and greed got the best of all of us. Blame Bush all you want.... but until people stop looking to politicians and government to save them and start saving themselves... its never gonna change.

Hypocrisy is blaming government for your problems and then looking to government to fix your problems.

[SWedd523]

ps. posting a picture of an Arab leader with a head dress walking with the president and calling him a hypocrite because we are at war with Iraq could be a little bit racist.

The president isnt allowed to walk with the president of a peaceful, developed Arab nation while fighting a war with a country that was once governed by a known genocidal maniac?

Hypocrisy is blaming government for your problems and then looking to government to fix your problems.

Most of the 9/11 terrorists were citizens of Saudi Arabia. You would imagine that our relationship with them wouldn't be so peaceful, no? He is the President of the country that put forth most of the hijackers that day. I would consider it VERY hypocritical on Bush's part to see him walking around holding hands with the man that was in charge (knowingly or not) of the country that caused all of that destruction.


Its hypocritical for Bush to say we're not going to rest until we hold the people responsible for 9/11 accountable... then turn around and walk around with him holding hands.

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It's a little more complicated than that. The royal family and the terrorists hate each other, and from our POV they're the only thing standing between the whackjobs taking over the country.

I'm no fan of the Saud (or of Bush for that matter), but this is a case of "it could be MUCH worse". Both the Left and the Right suppot the royal family.

[Dunk]

ps. posting a picture of an Arab leader with a head dress walking with the president and calling him a hypocrite because we are at war with Iraq could be a little bit racist.

The president isnt allowed to walk with the president of a peaceful, developed Arab nation while fighting a war with a country that was once governed by a known genocidal maniac?

I could care less if you bash Bush... he brings it on himself and I'm not defending him by any means. But him walking with a peaceful Arab leader doesnt make him a hypocrite and has nothing to do with any decent honest political discussion.


You need to look at what defines 'racist'. I called Bush a hypocrite. And he is because these guys came predominately from Saudi Arabia and not Iraq. Look it up.

Saudia Arabia is a monarchy with a justice system determined by Sharia (aka Islamic religious law). Under Sharia, for example, women aren't allowed out unescorted or even to drive. Blood killings for offenses are permitted. I would hardly call that 'peaceful'. I assume you are being sarcastic.





and as far as Democratic presidents having better economic skills. thats just not true. If you ask me, Bill Clinton and the democratic congress mandating that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extend more than 50% of their mortgage buys to the low income market put us in this whole bad credit situation.

I am all for helping lower income citizens get a home. But Clinton made this possible by forcing a government lending institution to allow people who couldnt previously afford homes, buy them. Instead of working hard, sacrificing some things, and saving money to buy a home.... people were then just able to buy one up no matter what their financial situation. Its both the governments fault and the people who bought homes. But blaming this on the republican party just because it all came down during their reign is lazy, and ignorant.


In my opinion... for whatever thats worth... the main problem is personal responsibility. Everyone wants to blame the OTHER party instead of being honest and saying we have all jumped in over our heads and greed got the best of all of us. Blame Bush all you want.... but until people stop looking to politicians and government to save them and start saving themselves... its never gonna change.

Hypocrisy is blaming government for your problems and then looking to government to fix your problems.


Dude, Bill Clinton's presidency was eight years ago. And he had a Republican congress for both terms, BTW.

Here's an article comparing Democrat vs Republican economies in the modern era.
http://currencythoughts.com/2008/08/19/how-the-us-economy-performed-under-democrat-and-republican-presidents/

It is true. Demand side economic policies work better. I'm not saying we don't need personal responsibility but letting the market decide, which is what this administration has done which has helped to facilitate a lot of the current situation we are in now, doesn't work. We need laws, regulation, and some degree of protection.

[SWedd523]

It's a little more complicated than that. The royal family and the terrorists hate each other, and from our POV they're the only thing standing between the whackjobs taking over the country.

I'm no fan of the Saud (or of Bush for that matter), but this is a case of "it could be MUCH worse". Both the Left and the Right suppot the royal family.

That doesn't give them an excuse. If we had some extremist military sect or something that decided to go "terrorize" a foreign country, are you saying that they WOULDN'T hold Bush accountable?

It doesn't matter if the Royal Family and the terrorists hate each other, those terrorists are a direct representation of their home country. And if the Royal Family can't control those terrorists then they don't need to be in power anyway. What good is a leader if he doesn't have any control?

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And if the Royal Family can't control those terrorists then they don't need to be in power anyway. What good is a leader if he doesn't have any control?

If the royal family is kicked out then the fundamentalists...those who fuel the terrorists...would be in control (and it's not like the royals don't have some limited control). With all the oil money they rake in it'd be like Iran on steroids.

I'm not ignoring it, but if we had invaded Saudi Arabia we'd have had to fight pretty much every muslim in the Middle East. Foreign policy is almost never a simple black and white issue.

[SWedd523]

If the royal family is kicked out then the fundamentalists...those who fuel the terrorists...would be in control (and it's not like the royals don't have some limited control). With all the oil money they rake in it'd be like Iran on steroids.

I'm not ignoring it, but if we had invaded Saudi Arabia we'd have had to fight pretty much every muslim in the Middle East. Foreign policy is almost never a simple black and white issue.

They should still be held responsible. What good are they if they can't keep their people from killing americans? Why does he get a free pass?

Bush is held responsible for the good and the bad things that happen in our country, the same should be said of the leaders of other countries as well.

[Ghost Kat]

I guess now would be a good time to toss in this link for Loose Change if you haven't see the video yet.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598

I want to send a message to anyone linked to the page and all Bobcatsplanet readers. These past 8 yrs with a president who stole an election have been horrible. If you voted for Bush I truely hope you are happy with the role you play'd in destroying this country. He has ignored the laws, revoked our rights to privacy and civil liberty. He is resposible for the deaths of thousands over seas in a war with people that did NOTHING to us. And for all of u that like Palin and McCain and want four more yrs, Let me put you on to something. On the news today they said Al-quadia loves John McCain. He is great for there anti america hate recruitment. His plans to keep us in iraq only weakens us and takes more money out the US account till we are a broken and debt riddled country. McCain/Palin for the last couple weeks have come about two inches from being racist. The crowds yelling "Kill Obama" prove that.U people that say believe Obama is a terrorist or he has terrorist friends should be ashamed of your self. I call you a racist and say you aren't brave enough to say it for what it really is. You try to cherry pick other things out and say thats why you disagree with him.

To the ones saying nothing will change..How do you know? First Black president, Somethings got to change. Ending a pointless war... somethings got to change. Giving tax breaks back to middle class people like in the Bill Clinton yrs.. somethings got to change. Not having to pay $4 for gas and using my plug in electric car ( which were first made 15 yrs ago ) or hybrid... somethings got to change. If you don't believe it will change, then whats the point of voting right? whats the point of trying? Thats why for the last 30 yrs atleast, if not more this country has shitted on poor people, sick people, uneducated people, people of any dark skin tone,different relgious belief, Gay Folk, everyone that wasnt rich, wasn't well connected. We choose tax cuts for rich people instead of investing into schools for our kids...That shows a disconnect and when you say nothing will change of course it wont as long as you keep saying it wont.

Obama "08"