Any interest in Wright?

[ohara831]

http://www.examiner.com/x-441-Golden-State-Warriors-Examiner~y2008m10d7-Don-Nelson-says-that-Anthony-Randolph-is-ahead-of-Brandan-Wright-in-Warriors-rotation

I brought this up a few months ago about us trying to grab Wright from the Warriors. It looks like he is behind Anthony Randolph now, so he may be expendable. Would anyone be interested in trying to grab him from Golden State? Not sure we'd have to give up too much at this time. Just an idea.

[dav7z]

A Larry Brown type four . Interesting they give up Swish to get him . I wonder what it would take to get him back . I wouldn't consider giving up to much . I just don't know what a fair trade would be. I might do a Dudley and a second for Wright.

[Slam]

It would all depend on what we had to give up to get him ohara. For eg - if we could trade them Ammo for Wright and fillers (to make the $$$$ work) then I would be down, but outside of that, I think I would pass.

I would rather give the burn to Lex, who I think suits more of what we need at the 4 next to EO50.

[WAM9]

I'd have to look at it if a specific deal was available but I agree with everyone else so far that I wouldn't want to give up much.

I like Ammo and think he is going to have a solid year but I would have to consider him for Wright. Believe it or not, I'm not as sold on Dudley and a 2nd for him. Dudley is much more ready to produce this year and I just think that on Larry Brown's team, we will really see Dudley excel. Wright still seems like a project and he might not even be better than Davidson at this point.

[ammofan]

Morrison for Wright? You gotta be kidding.

[WAM9]

Morrison for Wright? You gotta be kidding.

Nope. I'm not saying it is the right thing to do, just that I would have to certainly consider it. They would have to also throw something else in the mix to make to salaries work.

We have a log jam at the 3 spot. Morrison's defense is, and probably will always be, a negative that has to be worked around. If Wallace is our starting 3, and we are planning on playing Dudley at his natural position, then, barring injuries, we will constantly be looking for minutes each of the guys.

Both guys offer different things altogether. Morrison should be a much better scorer but he has to have plays specifically run for him to score. Dudley is better at basically all other facets of the game including basketball IQ and defense and he scores in the flow of the game without having plays run for him. That creates more shot opportunities for J-Rich, the post players and really the whole team in general. I just love players who score without being the focal point of the designed play.

While there is no guarantee that Wright will develop into his draft potential, it might just be better to have a young guy that may end up being very, very good at our weakest position, not one of our strongest areas.

I'm definitely not hating on Morrison, as I stated earlier, I think he will be a big contributor this year. We are probably a better team this year with Morrison but long term, I think we would be better with Wright.

[Muttley]

If we did get Wright, we would have to nickname him BRB, (which of course stands for "B. Wright Back").

I'd rather have Morrison personally. I'd probably send them May, if they'd have him. Then again, I really don't have a good idea about where either of these two are at physically.

[WAM9]

My problem with sending them May is that if May can get healthy, I think he is a legitimate starter in the NBA. I truly don't see Morrison, even best case scenerio, being better than a 6th man off the bench. Again, not to hammer the point but, his defense and foot speed are just not where they need to be to not be exploited.

[SWedd523]

My problem with sending them May is that if May can get healthy, I think he is a legitimate starter in the NBA. I truly don't see Morrison, even best case scenerio, being better than a 6th man off the bench. Again, not to hammer the point but, his defense and foot speed are just not where they need to be to not be exploited.

I agree. Ammo is now not much more than a 6th man. His athleticism wasn't elite in the past, and it most certainly has diminished since his injury. We have plenty of wings and not enough big guys. I wouldn't mind getting rid of some excess and adding some depth.

My problem with Wright, he's just about like Davidson and Lex. We already have TWO project athletic PF's to work on, so why add another and cut back on their minutes?

I think our only real viable trade options at this point are to get a name brand big man like Boozer.

[ohara831]

I think this game tonight showed us that we need someone else at the PF. We got limited scoring and even less Defense from the PF spot. Ajinca and Jermareo are not ready for major minutes, and I was not impressed with May's defense either. At least the athleticism of Wright can help.

I'd go Ammo for Wright, with whatever thrown in to make the $ work. Gotta do something, because May, Jermaeo and Ajinca will not cut it this season at the PF spot. And given the importance of the position, that is going to kill us if we dont act now.

[Dead_Real]

Not sure they would even bite on Ammo for Wright.

[ohara831]

Well, given that they were both a Top 8 pick, and Nellie likes outside jump shooters, I was just kinda hoping.

[SWedd523]

I really doubt they'd bite on Ammo for Wright+some. No way, no how

[Dead_Real]

Well, given that they were both a Top 8 pick, and Nellie likes outside jump shooters, I was just kinda hoping.
I'm going to try some deals for him on the trade checker to see if anything works.

[MattD]

Morrison for Wright? You gotta be kidding.

morrison sucks... face it. I love hollins but i realize he is never going to be amare

we dont need 6 wings, we do need a pf who is in shape, definitely worth considering, but then again I think anytime ammo is mentioned in a trade you veto it so whatever.

oh yeah, and it would never happen because morrison has close to 0 value

[WAM9]

I agree. Ammo is now not much more than a 6th man. His athleticism wasn't elite in the past, and it most certainly has diminished since his injury. We have plenty of wings and not enough big guys. I wouldn't mind getting rid of some excess and adding some depth.

My problem with Wright, he's just about like Davidson and Lex. We already have TWO project athletic PF's to work on, so why add another and cut back on their minutes?

I think our only real viable trade options at this point are to get a name brand big man like Boozer.

I tend to agree with you 100%. My assumption is that he would be more ready than either Davidson or Lex. After watching the game last night, I am actually more hopeful for Lex than I though I would be after 1 game. He didn't do anything all that great but I certainly can see the potential in him. I hope he develops fast enough to pass Davidson in the rotation at PF.

I also think that Boozer would be the best option. I would love him on the team, just not for half a season though. Since he is a free agent at the season's end, I would have to expect to sign him long term.

[dav7z]

I think this game tonight showed us that we need someone else at the PF. We got limited scoring and even less Defense from the PF spot. Ajinca and Jermareo are not ready for major minutes, and I was not impressed with May's defense either. At least the athleticism of Wright can help.

I'd go Ammo for Wright, with whatever thrown in to make the $ work. Gotta do something, because May, Jermaeo and Ajinca will not cut it this season at the PF spot. And given the importance of the position, that is going to kill us if we dont act now.


Agreeded we suck at P/F . We know it so does ever other team in the NBA.
What do we have to get a P/F like Wright or Frye
Ammo = No value and neither would have use for him . Up side ezpiring contract
May = Hate to say it but he is the only thing we have close to a P/F . Neither team would trade down value for May.
Davidson = Just bad a move resigning him . He would be lucky to start on a NDBL team.

Hollins = could help as a filler for a team not a main piece
Dudley = A nice trading piece for us at a crouded wings . Him and ,might swing a trade
Carroll = and Morrison or filler might be possable or Carroll for Wright and a bad contract might work.
Felton could be a nice trade piece . He has good value and contract . Though point is a cercern too. Any trade hear would have to include a back up point too.
As far as im cercerned Wallace and Rich is not on the block. And Mek is over valued to trade.
Augustine for Wright if it could be done could work for both teams.
But i would consider any and all those options to get a P/F/


It's no way Davidsons could ever be a starter and AA is at least a year away . This problem should been addressed in the off season. Has any one ever thought Randolph over DJ.

[WAM9]

While I would be for us aquiring a solid, established PF option (like Boozer), I am not for trading DJ for a project like Wright. I would love to acquire Wright. Just not for a guy like Augustine.

[docend24]

Agreeded we suck at P/F . We know it so does ever other team in the NBA.
What do we have to get a P/F like Wright or Frye
Ammo = No value and neither would have use for him . Up side ezpiring contract
May = Hate to say it but he is the only thing we have close to a P/F . Neither team would trade down value for May.
Davidson = Just bad a move resigning him . He would be lucky to start on a NDBL team.

Hollins = could help as a filler for a team not a main piece
Dudley = A nice trading piece for us at a crouded wings . Him and ,might swing a trade
Carroll = and Morrison or filler might be possable or Carroll for Wright and a bad contract might work.
Felton could be a nice trade piece . He has good value and contract . Though point is a cercern too. Any trade hear would have to include a back up point too.
As far as im cercerned Wallace and Rich is not on the block. And Mek is over valued to trade.
Augustine for Wright if it could be done could work for both teams.
But i would consider any and all those options to get a P/F/


It's no way Davidsons could ever be a starter and AA is at least a year away . This problem should been addressed in the off season. Has any one ever thought Randolph over DJ.
If we trade and gonna overpay or at least not gonna steal I would rather major upgrade and longer solution. Preferably not based on potential.
I'm not sold on Brandan Wright to be any solution at all right now (but he can develop into a nice player I just don't want to have 4 underweight big man projects on roster (Wright, Davidson, Ajinça, Hollins), it is way too much). I think Frye could be a part time solution for a couple of years (and maybe more which we could find out during these years) until we could hopefully solve it by bigger move (like Boozer or such) - salary cap would be major issue, so "hopefully" is the key word.

Ammo - I'm still giving him a chance but I'm not so confident, I wouldn't cry if we lost him in a reasonable trade. I don't want to write him off as an only expiring contract when May got four years to prove.
May - I'm getting scared that the worst possible scenario can occur - May somehow will be healthy almost for the whole season, but he would play quite poorly, but our front office franticly happy he is actually healthy and can play will re-sign him. And he goes down even before the next season.
Davidson - Wait a minute! He is actually the probable player to have the biggest number of starts at PF (as a starter) in the upcoming season. Ba default. I always felt like he is developing faster than Hollins and that he have stronger fundamentals. And then he actually played quite well in this year summer league and showed some motivation. I think he is a player to work with. And until B.Wright break out JerMareo is a bargain. We basically trade Wright for him and get a nice filler along the way - Jason Richardson.
Hollins is actually another story. The good is that he is not afraid to dunk, has lenght and can jump. And that's it. Not much (oh and I forget - fatlever's wife like him so he actually have some fans).:D
Dudley - I like him. I wouldn't trade him for B.Wright straight up. Most importatnly I think he would be undervalued by other teams in trades so we wouldn't get a fair value back. But in a league where Clippers can steal Camby suh a way you'll never know. I know SF position depth is quite easy to fill but without Dudley we are Wallace's another injury and Ammo's fail from a very thin SF rotation.
Carroll - I think he is an important part of the team and already knowing basics of Brown's system I would rather keep him. Especially if coaches are working on Augustin-Carroll connection to strenghten the second unit. Do Warriors need a shooter? Really?

I would never trade DJ Augustin for unproven PF like Wright or Randolph. i could imagine a small for big trade for a proven commodity (which DJ will be too by the time) someday in the future but trading him now makes zero sense for me.
Core players like Crash, J-Rich and Emeka are out of question. I would maybe even trade Felton before Augustin but I really don't see a trade in which we should do that.

[dav7z]

To get somthing you have to give up somthing .
I would do a Wright for Augustin straight up . We should have addressed this by drafting Randolph. Values are close and works on the trade checker.
I don't like this one but it all so works on the trade checker all so.
Felton for Wright and M. Williams
If we want a P/F we going to have to give up somthing.
It's no way any one takes Morrison or even May at fair value . So we can all but forget that.

Carroll for Frye is interesting . But i don't know if it would work on the trade checker.
Either we give up somthing or stay with what we have.
May might surprize , AA might turn into a star with time. But Davidson would be cut on most teams .

[docend24]

I think first to cut (ecluding racovering Morrison and May) is Hollins.

I t is all about whether we really need this something. I'm really convinced we do. I'm pretty sold on what we have now. Of course we have a hole at PF, it would be sweet if Rockets didn't match, but I think we should stay pat rather than rush a bad trade.

[Mustachio]

To get somthing you have to give up somthing .
I would do a Wright for Augustin straight up . We should have addressed this by drafting Randolph. Values are close and works on the trade checker.
I don't like this one but it all so works on the trade checker all so.
Felton for Wright and M. Williams
If we want a P/F we going to have to give up somthing.
It's no way any one takes Morrison or even May at fair value . So we can all but forget that.

Carroll for Frye is interesting . But i don't know if it would work on the trade checker.
Either we give up somthing or stay with what we have.
May might surprize , AA might turn into a star with time. But Davidson would be cut on most teams .



dav you boys are freaking out way too early my man.

Davidson played one game. Personally, Ive seen both Davidson and Wright play and I would rather have Davidson. Wright is nothing. He will never be anything in the NBA. He is too frail, and has zero skill. He can leap and he is tall. but if we need that we always have Hollins.

I just see Wright as a lateral move instead of getting better... we just stay the same or worse talent wise and we get yet another TarHole on this team.

Lets play the first quarter season and then freak out. Because I would like to see what Coach can do with this current crop of guys. Then we can make a run for someone in Free Agency next year... aka Boozer. IF we still feel like we need a starting PF. (i still think Boozer/Okafor with May/Ajinca behind them is a dream lineup)


and in my opinion the poor showing against Orlando had more to do with Felton being god awful terrible AND STILL taking shots he shouldnt take. But also no one moved with out the ball at all and that made Felton look worse because he had zero options.

[SWedd523]

Davidson played one game. Personally, Ive seen both Davidson and Wright play and I would rather have Davidson. Wright is nothing. He will never be anything in the NBA. He is too frail, and has zero skill. He can leap and he is tall. but if we need that we always have Hollins.

I just see Wright as a lateral move instead of getting better... we just stay the same or worse talent wise and we get yet another TarHole on this team.

While I am also happy with Davidson as our project, I wouldn't go anywhere NEAR as far as to say B Wright isn't skilled at all. He's every bit as gifted as DAvidson, he just hasn't been able to show it in a crowded lineup. (I'll also pretend the "tarhole" thing wasn't said because it makes you seem like a bitter rival, sooo.....)

Boozer, to me, should be our main target. The Jazz have to be concerned that he's going to leave at the end of the year, so they might try and make a move before then to get something out of the deal.

I don't want to give up Augustin to get him, we finally got some depth at the point and I'm not ready to lose it. I also don't want to just "rent" Boozer like WAM said.

Best case scenario, sign and trade Boozer for may or one of our project bigs and whatever other pieces they need to match it up contract wise, I'd be willing to part with anyone outside of our main 5 or 6.

I feel like it's way easier to find a backup wing than to find a dominant 4 like Boozer. So if we do some addition by subtraction then hell yeah.

[spectre]

and in my opinion the poor showing against Orlando had more to do with Felton being god awful terrible AND STILL taking shots he shouldnt take. But also no one moved with out the ball at all and that made Felton look worse because he had zero options.

He took FOUR shots and only one was from outside!

You can argue on whether he should have passed or took the shot on the drives (and I might even agree with you), but as you said spacing was crap and it could be argued that a pass thru traffic to Mek would have easily been a TO.

That being said I'd rather him do that then try and attack Howard one on one (and I bet LB would too), but regardless...LB wants people to drive. For the most part only Crash & Felton were doing that.

I just don't see where Felton was so bad over everyone else; other than Crash, Duds and to some extent May and Ammo I think they all looked equally bad. He did get 5 assists in 20 minutes when no one could throw it in the ocean.

[dav7z]

dav you boys are freaking out way too early my man.

Davidson played one game. Personally, Ive seen both Davidson and Wright play and I would rather have Davidson. Wright is nothing. He will never be anything in the NBA. He is too frail, and has zero skill. He can leap and he is tall. but if we need that we always have Hollins.

I just see Wright as a lateral move instead of getting better... we just stay the same or worse talent wise and we get yet another TarHole on this team.

Lets play the first quarter season and then freak out. Because I would like to see what Coach can do with this current crop of guys. Then we can make a run for someone in Free Agency next year... aka Boozer. IF we still feel like we need a starting PF. (i still think Boozer/Okafor with May/Ajinca behind them is a dream lineup)


and in my opinion the poor showing against Orlando had more to do with Felton being god awful terrible AND STILL taking shots he shouldnt take. But also no one moved with out the ball at all and that made Felton look worse because he had zero options.

Mustashio good to have you back to disagree with.
It comes down to this either we give up a decent player to get Wright or we stay pat .
Davidson hes not even in the running. We made a mistake signing him period. So what do we do . If we don't trade, we give AA on the job experiance and hope May gets his wind and actually plays a season. Or we go back to starting Wallace at P/F. Thats about all of our choices. Davidson is NOT a choice . He plays no defence and don't set the world on fire on offence. If we don' make a trade and May don't come through then we a lotery team again this year . Its that simple. Landry was a good try but i think we getting low on options.

Mustashio you saying our poor showing, had more to do with FELTON and him taking too many shots. I can't belive that statment .
Lets look at both point guards stats. Both sucked
Felton 0 for 4 with five assist playing 20 mins
Augustine 0 FOR 5 with three assist. and 21 mins .Both with 2 turnovers.
In my openion we had much more problems with lack of defence at the P/F position
With May not willing to guard out on the wing, All so Morrisons poor showing trying to guard any one . He has NO foot speed . I hope he gets at least some of that back be for season starts, He did shoot the ball well . We can use that .
What about Mek forgeting to guard Howard . It took a team effort to come out looking like that . Belive me not no one player could make us look that bad.

[spectre]

For the record I'm not high on Wright. After watching Mek and his cerebral self for 4 seasons now I only want to trade for a big who has some aggression.

[dav7z]

dav you boys are freaking out way too early my man.

Davidson played one game. Personally, Ive seen both Davidson and Wright play and I would rather have Davidson. Wright is nothing. He will never be anything in the NBA. He is too frail, and has zero skill. He can leap and he is tall. but if we need that we always have Hollins.

I just see Wright as a lateral move instead of getting better... we just stay the same or worse talent wise and we get yet another TarHole on this team.

Lets play the first quarter season and then freak out. Because I would like to see what Coach can do with this current crop of guys. Then we can make a run for someone in Free Agency next year... aka Boozer. IF we still feel like we need a starting PF. (i still think Boozer/Okafor with May/Ajinca behind them is a dream lineup)


and in my opinion the poor showing against Orlando had more to do with Felton being god awful terrible AND STILL taking shots he shouldnt take. But also no one moved with out the ball at all and that made Felton look worse because he had zero options.

Mustashio good to have you back to disagree with.
It comes down to this either we give up a decent player to get Wright or we stay pat .
Davidson hes not even in the running. We made a mistake signing him period. So what do we do . If we don't trade, we give AA on the job experiance and hope May gets his wind and actually plays a season. Or we go back to starting Wallace at P/F. Thats about all of our choices. Davidson is NOT a choice . He plays no defence and don't set the world on fire on offence. If we don' make a trade and May don't come through then we a lotery team again this year . Its that simple. Landry was a good try but i think we getting low on options.

Mustashio you saying our poor showing, had more to do with FELTON and him taking too many shots. I can't belive that statment .
Lets look at both point guards stats. Both sucked
Felton 0 for 4 with five assist playing 20 mins
Augustine 0 FOR 5 with three assist. and 21 mins .Both with 2 turnovers.
In my openion we had much more problems with lack of defence at the P/F position
With May not willing to guard out on the wing, All so Morrisons poor showing trying to guard any one . He has NO foot speed . I hope he gets at least some of that back be for season starts, He did shoot the ball well . We can use that .
What about Mek forgeting to guard Howard . It took a team effort to come out looking like that . Belive me not no one player could make us look that bad.

[ohara831]

I'm not trying to cause a big stink or anything. I just want this team to be competitive, like everyone here wants for them. I just dont think we can be that way with a huge ugly hole at the PF position. I love our PG depth, solid at the SG and SF, and I'm happy with Okafor and Nazr. But I dont see May, Ajica or Davidson being that starting PF. Sure, Boozer would be a great addition at PF, but I dont see giving up DJ or Dudley or our main starting 4. Now May, Ammo or Ajinca - sure! But Utah wont buy a deal of any of those 3 for Boozer. My hole point about Brandon Wright was because Nellie is putting him behind the Rookie, so he might very well be expendable now. And although I am one of those who is skeptical of the entire "UNC players to Charlotte" thing, I wont pass on someone good just because of his college. Wright has a ton of talent and I dont see him as nearly as big a risk as some here do. *If we got him for a bench player or two, then you can say we got J Rich, Wright and Davidson for a bench player. And that would be the biggest steal since the Lakers stole Gasol from Memphis.

[Mustachio]

I should have worded it better i guess. I didnt really mean to put all the blame on Ray. I just meant his bad game (and it was a bad game) made everyone else look a little worse. It seemed to me everytime he tried to drive he ended up in someones chest and passing out like he was scared to move sideways or something. I love Ray Felton. I just thought he looked terrible yesterday. but that really is to be blamed on the poor spacing and poor off the ball movement. all things i feel like we can fix. Im not saying trade Felton... i was just saying.. worst game i've ever seen from him to date thats all. Itll get better.

as far as Davidson goes... He does need to work on his defense like crazy.. but so does Wright. My point wasnt that Davidson was the best PF in the league... my point was that Wright isn't worth trading for. Boozer in a sign and trade with anyone but Mek, Felton Rich and Augustine would be fine by me. We need to play better at PF for sure and Mek needs more help D down low. But bringing in someone skinnier and less aggressive than any player we have on this team... is the furthest thing from what we need to do.

In my opinion what we need is this: Sean May to get healthy, get back to what we know he can do, and then for him to start a fight. Sean May is gonna have to be our bad ass. He showed some intensity in college and I personally think this team is devoid of intensity. Ziggy i think brought this up a long time ago. We dont have a Charles Oakley or a tough gritty bad ass to keep the intensity up. Sean May needs to prove he can play both O and D at a high level, and show he can bring some toughness... or else he should be gone at the end of the year. If that happens, we would be tough to handle for sure.

[dav7z]

Mustachio , I hate to ,but i have to agree with most of what you said . lol , I even miss Jake right about now . He had a little toughness but not much ability. Most might disagree but we should have drafted Randolph or another big in D.Js place.
A decent back up point would have been easy to find.
Wright is much better than we give cradit for . Agreed on that too.
Ever one knows we need a p/f . But handling that problem is a tougher job than we think . If we as basketball fans can't agree on any trades for a p/f . It must be that much tougher on the frunt office as to what to do.
Any one have any ideas thets a realistic win win for the Bobcats with this problem .

[docend24]

Come on guys, stop arguing who took one shot more than someone else. Numbers are nice sometimes but they don't tell you whole story. We can argue that DJ played with second unit and scrubs so it is obvious he didn't score as much assist as Ray did and not having much offensive options he shut more. It reminds me bashing Augustin for scoring only one assist in SL game by some "experts" stating he is not living up the hype of being great ball distributor.

I didn't see much of Felton against Magic (found a streaming video in about half of second quarter) because he had foul trouble. So I don't want to make any notes from the small glimpse. But I really liked DJ distribution of ball, loved he took a charge, simply he was watchable even in such a wash.

Other than that I liked Crash and Jared hustling fighting for rebounds and I hated the subtle foul from help defense negating some good defense of one on one defender (Emeka blocking Howard and such). I really hope Davidson will step up next game because he was invisible against Magic. I'm not expecting wonders but I hope for decent play of him because we need him.

[docend24]

as far as Davidson goes... He does need to work on his defense like crazy.. but so does Wright. My point wasnt that Davidson was the best PF in the league... my point was that Wright isn't worth trading for. Boozer in a sign and trade with anyone but Mek, Felton Rich and Augustine would be fine by me. We need to play better at PF for sure and Mek needs more help D down low. But bringing in someone skinnier and less aggressive than any player we have on this team... is the furthest thing from what we need to do.

That's pretty much sums up my point of view. i agree.