Zach Randolph???

[wil]

Will you consider trading for Zach to solidify our PF spot for Ray, Hollins, Davidson and Morrison? It's been obvious all summer that the knicks are looking for cap relief to extend D. Lee and still have a shot at LBJ nxt season. And us looking for a PF ever since i can remember.

Yes Here.

C- Okafor
PF-Zach
SF-Wallace
SG-Richardson
PG-DJ

[amour217]

Unfortunately no...while Randolph puts up big numbers, he's absolutely useless on defense and completely selfish on offense. If the ball doesn't go through him, he gets pissed.

[docend24]

no fricking way (fricking because there must be at least ten letters in a post)

[Slam]

no fricking way (fricking because there must be at least ten letters in a post)
Best post ever (and I agree)

[Chef]

Hell No 8 9 10

[davcbow]

Hell No 8 9 10

No no no no no :cool:

[SWedd523]

No no no no no :cool:

nooooooooo!;)

[Muttley]

not a chance

[tamburello]

Hahaha, I had never seen such a consensus before in this forum.

My answer is... hell nooooooo

[ammofan]

i will take him actually....I honestly think we need an "attitude" on this team to get us fired up a little.....LB has had attitudes on alot of his teams ala Sheed and AI

Just as long as we dont trade Adam

[Ghost Kat]

Now a word from Sarah Palin:


Zack...Thanks but no thanks, your a bridge to nowhere

[WAM9]

No.


I agree, I haven't ever seen everyone agree on something like this for a while:)

[Mustachio]

negative ghost rider... the pattern is full.

[ziggy]

Zach Randolph, hmmm let me think about it.


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No.

[BRNC]

not even if the Knicks could pay his contract and give us a 1st would I want this guy....under no circumstances at all ever...

[Mustachio]

hahaha how many ways can one fan base say no in at least 10 letters. hilarious

[SWedd523]

hahaha how many ways can one fan base say no in at least 10 letters. hilarious

Haha yeah we kinda stopped with the 10 letters thing, Nooooooooo was about as creative as I could get:(

Mr. Randolph is most definitely NOT the type of person I want on my team

[ohara831]

At this time, he'd make this team 3X better than we are currently playing. I'd line up several soon to be expirings which NY wants to make room for King James (who they wont get) and plug Zach in at the PF. I know many feel it is heresy,,but if Chris Carter and Randy Moss can change venues and then change attitudes to the positive, I'll give it a try. It's tons better than anything we are possibly looking at right now! Besides, they would likely give up their 2009 1st along with it, so the deal could be made sweet.

[tamburello]

I'd line up several soon to be expirings which NY wants to make room for King James (who they wont get)
We don't have enough expirings or soon to be expirings to faciliate such a deal. Please understand that we CANNOT make our team better with trades since we have very very untradable contracts. The tradable contracts have very little value in the market (except Gerald Wallace, would you like to deal him?). We're stuck. WE'RE STUCK.

Also, NYK has 15 players with guaranteed contracts + Ewing Jr. whom they want to keep. They would not want 3 for 1 deal, take my word.


Besides, they would likely give up their 2009 1st along with it, so the deal could be made sweet.
If Donnie Walsh wanted to give up a 1st rounder, Randolph would be playing for LAC now, not Marcus Camby. Even while LAC was willing to absorb Randolph's whole contract without sending anything back, Walsh didn't want to put a first rounder in the deal. Walsh is not likely to give up anything. Forget this.


I respect everybody's opinion but I'd like to say this again. You will never believe that DJ Augustin pick was irrelevant and far away from addressing our needs, so be it. We have 2 "great" PG's and no real PF besides Sean "bumped knee" May. We have to consider about this a few months ago, not 1 week to the start of the season.

[ALong13]

I honestly would rather have him. He'd add a much better offensive game to the team, and we'd be much better than we are now...Not sure how we could package him up, but I think he'd be a better addition to the team then given credit for, plus he'd be able to fire the team up

[Slam]

He is a hack, a locker room cancer, a black hole, a potential off court distraction and has a KILLER contract.

I couldn't think of anyone worse to add to our team.

[Chef]

Tam, you are right on about this. I am retarded with the trade machine, but yesterday I was trying to get maxiel from detroit and realized we have no trade-able contracts. How about this...

If NYK want to get rid of him so badly they are willing to take an unfair pick of sorts. What about Randolf for Carrol. I know Matt has a bad contract 5mil/5yrs but the knicks could definitely deal him in feb to a playoff team needing a marksmen for some expirings. I was thinking, Randolf and 2010 #1 for matt, cash and our 2010 #2. However, like I said I am not good with trade particulars.

I HATE HATE HATE Randolf as he could potentially destroy our team, but we do have Larry to manage the ego's and get the team together. I just don't see us as getting anymore than 35 wins without a serious threat at 4. As our lineup is now, we don't have an offensive threat in the front court.

[tamburello]

Chef, we're no longer under salary cap and apparently won't be for a very long time. So we have no capability of making trades without salary balance. Knicks would not want Carroll either, even if they do, this is not possible because of unbalanced contracts. We would need to add some fillers such as Morrison, May etc.

On a sidenote, Randolph's contract is 100 times more tradable than Carroll's, believe me.

[ohara831]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3199~2753~2776~3016~1017&teams=18~18~18~18~30&te=&cash=

See, it can be done. And NY has the ability and assets to "eat" a few of those contracts to get down to 15. And we sign a respectable backup PG to support DJ and a couple bench players. There is no way on God's green Earth you can say with a straight face that a lineup of DJ, J-RICH, CRASH, RANDOLPH and OKAFOR is not 3x better than anything we currently have on the floor. Grab DICKOU as Backup PG, with DUDLEY, AJINCA, CARROLL, NAZR and a couple FA'S to fill out the team, and we can compete in our Division.

People have to give LB a chance to work with Zach b/c I think he has the ability to work with talented players, even when they have prima donna egos. But as great a Coach as he is, if you give him stinky sub-par players, not even he can make them winners.

[Slam]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3199~2753~2776~3016~1017&teams=18~18~18~18~30&te=&cash=

There is no way on God's green Earth you can say with a straight face that a lineup of DJ, J-RICH, CRASH, RANDOLPH and OKAFOR is not 3x better than anything we currently have on the floor.
Yes, I can. Quite easliy actually - especially considering the "throw in's" in your trade idea as posted above.

All of these "the sky is falling" posts that we have had to endure over the past 3 weeks just SMACK of hyperbole and knee jerk reaction.

Everyone was kissing the players and coaches arses 4 weeks ago and now a lot want to throw a match on the whole thing or, even worse, make crazy and negative trades that would have lasting negative effects on the team.

Guys need to chill out and give it at LEAST until X-Mas.

[Chef]

the only thing I don't like about that trade is morrison. i think he is going to be better than his rookie year led us to believe. I also think he will be more valuable in feb if we do want to trade him to a playoff contender. we would be trading him when his value is lowest if we deal him now. call me crazy but I think he will eventually be a 17-20 ppg player.

[tamburello]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3199~2753~2776~3016~1017&teams=18~18~18~18~30&te=&cash=

See, it can be done. And NY has the ability and assets to "eat" a few of those contracts to get down to 15. And we sign a respectable backup PG to support DJ and a couple bench players. There is no way on God's green Earth you can say with a straight face that a lineup of DJ, J-RICH, CRASH, RANDOLPH and OKAFOR is not 3x better than anything we currently have on the floor. Grab DICKOU as Backup PG, with DUDLEY, AJINCA, CARROLL, NAZR and a couple FA'S to fill out the team, and we can compete in our Division.

People have to give LB a chance to work with Zach b/c I think he has the ability to work with talented players, even when they have prima donna egos. But as great a Coach as he is, if you give him stinky sub-par players, not even he can make them winners.

Of course they can, why not after waiving 2 or 3 players' contracts? And why not after we decide to give the half of the team, 4 rotation players, all the rookie contracts? I didn't say this can't be done, I said this requires a lot of procedures and I don't see a reason why they should do.

In any team, Randolph would be a 17-9 player, but he doesn't make any team better because he always compansates his all production on the defensive end by doing nothing. He is nothing but a fantasy league player.

[spectre]

Yes, I can. Quite easliy actually - especially considering the "throw in's" in your trade idea as posted above.

All of these "the sky is falling" posts that we have had to endure over the past 3 weeks just SMACK of hyperbole and knee jerk reaction.

Everyone was kissing the players and coaches arses 4 weeks ago and now a lot want to throw a match on the whole thing or, even worse, make crazy and negative trades that would have lasting negative effects on the team.

Guys need to chill out and give it at LEAST until X-Mas.

:rock:

Looking at the play by play (didn't catch the game last night) it looks like we started the 4th with DJ, Duds, Nazr, Brown & Ammo and had a 1 pt lead. LB then subbed in Lex for Brown at about the 8 minute mark, then Williams for Nazr at the 7:27 mark. Hammer for Ammo at the 6:15 mark (we're now down by 9 points). Twiggy for Williams at 4:27 (down 10) and then Felton for DJ at 4:12 (down 9). That lineup played til the end and we lost by 4.

If Larry Brown is more concerned with seeing the end of the bench than winning a preseason game then why in the hell are people jumping off the ledge because of the W/L record up til now?

Lord.

[spectre]

And no way should we even THINK about bringing that piece of crap Randolph anywhere near Charlotte except for when we play the unlucky team that has him and his pathetic contract.

[ohara831]

That crap gives you 20 pts and 10 reb.
May is shot and isn't fit to even make a team.
Ammo is a 15 min/game bench player who on a good night gets you 12 pts but on avg will get you 6-8; plus we dont know how the knee will fully heal. You can find them anywhere in the NBA
Davidson will be a 10 min/game guy for Defensive fouling like hack-a-shaq; 4 pts/game would be a luxury from him.
Ray is a PG who is already being outplayed by a Rookie. He will not be with us long term as he won't want to be DJ's backup and we sure aren't going to be paying him $7 mil/yr to back up DJ.; so use him for trade value now.
We can find serviceable backup PG'S without paying Felton type $; we can find LB type players to fill the voids from the other players in the trade.


Guys, look at our team! We are 0-7 and dont look like a team with the most remote chance of conteding. Something must be done.

[spectre]

Ray is a PG who is already being outplayed by a Rookie. He will not be with us long term as he won't want to be DJ's backup and we sure aren't going to be paying him $7 mil/yr to back up DJ.; so use him for trade value now.
We can find serviceable backup PG'S without paying Felton type $; we can find LB type players to fill the voids from the other players in the trade.Oh really? It didn't appear that DJ outplayed Felton last night (or does Farmar normally torch the opposing PG for 12 pts in a quarter?) nor did he outplay him game before last. Felton did have a terrible game vs. the Suns, but in that same game DJ chucked a shot up almost every time he got the ball on the offensive side with a terrible %.

And that piece of crap was the same guy that Brandon Roy went to management about in POR and asked for him to be traded! He has a bad work ethic and he's a major issue off the court. He's the guy NOBODY wants...yet you think he'll be our savior?

You keep bringing up the 0 and 7 start...don't you think that if it meant that damn much then Larry Brown would have played Mek, Crash and Swish more than ZERO minutes in the 4th last night? Do you expect Lex, Twiggy and Williams to close out all the games in the regular season?

Who's the "cheaper" PG you think we can bring in to back up DJ (who I contend is NOT ready to take over the team)? Dickau? The guy who Nelson cut over M. Williams who Nelson also called out in the paper yesterday? If there was a halfway decent PG out there Miami would have snapped them up already.

And how do you know what Felton will or will not do in regards to not starting? Also IF that's the case he won't be making 7 million per, but more like 4-5 million.

Both PGs are trying to learn a very difficult system. Let them learn it without constantly bitching about every turnover or missed shot that one (or the other) might make. We finally have depth at the PG slot...can't we at least keep that for one frigging season?

[davcbow]

That crap gives you 20 pts and 10 reb.
May is shot and isn't fit to even make a team.
Ammo is a 15 min/game bench player who on a good night gets you 12 pts but on avg will get you 6-8; plus we dont know how the knee will fully heal. You can find them anywhere in the NBA
Davidson will be a 10 min/game guy for Defensive fouling like hack-a-shaq; 4 pts/game would be a luxury from him.
Ray is a PG who is already being outplayed by a Rookie. He will not be with us long term as he won't want to be DJ's backup and we sure aren't going to be paying him $7 mil/yr to back up DJ.; so use him for trade value now.
We can find serviceable backup PG'S without paying Felton type $; we can find LB type players to fill the voids from the other players in the trade.


Guys, look at our team! We are 0-7 and dont look like a team with the most remote chance of conteding. Something must be done.

I agree about May, maybe Davidson, and yes I agree about Ray and yes something needs to be done. I'm thinking that maybe no one wants anyone off our team and maybe that's why we haven't had a trade as to date... We could be stuck with what we got....:cool:

[ohara831]

For those who are content with what we have and feel the 0-7 start means nothing, you will likely get your wish. Honestly, I don't see mgmnt doing anything. But when we are 1/3 of the way thru the season, and complaining about being near the bottom of the league again rather than contending for a Playoff spot, don't be hypocritical and start yelling for mgmnt to make a move to improve the team. This is the team you want.

[WAM9]

Oh really? It didn't appear that DJ outplayed Felton last night (or does Farmar normally torch the opposing PG for 12 pts in a quarter?) nor did he outplay him game before last. Felton did have a terrible game vs. the Suns, but in that same game DJ chucked a shot up almost every time he got the ball on the offensive side with a terrible %.

And that piece of crap was the same guy that Brandon Roy went to management about in POR and asked for him to be traded! He has a bad work ethic and he's a major issue off the court. He's the guy NOBODY wants...yet you think he'll be our savior?

You keep bringing up the 0 and 7 start...don't you think that if it meant that damn much then Larry Brown would have played Mek, Crash and Swish more than ZERO minutes in the 4th last night? Do you expect Lex, Twiggy and Williams to close out all the games in the regular season?

Who's the "cheaper" PG you think we can bring in to back up DJ (who I contend is NOT ready to take over the team)? Dickau? The guy who Nelson cut over M. Williams who Nelson also called out in the paper yesterday? If there was a halfway decent PG out there Miami would have snapped them up already.

And how do you know what Felton will or will not do in regards to not starting? Also IF that's the case he won't be making 7 million per, but more like 4-5 million.

Both PGs are trying to learn a very difficult system. Let them learn it without constantly bitching about every turnover or missed shot that one (or the other) might make. We finally have depth at the PG slot...can't we at least keep that for one frigging season?

I was behind on this thread so I just read a lot of posts...Spectre seems to sum up my thoughts pretty good though and saved me some typing time.

As someone said earlier, the sky is not falling. We have a new coach with very intricate game plans. Most of our guys haven't been truly "coahed" in a while. Don't jump off the bandwagon just because of preseason games. Remember, every team is still 0-0 for the season. If we were 0-7 to start the regular season I would be saying something different. The preseason means very little, especially in our specific situation. Remember, patience is a virtue.

[tamburello]

Guys, look at our team! We are 0-7 and dont look like a team with the most remote chance of contending. Something must be done.

I see your points. But I think our mediocrity is independent of our pre-season record. I've been saying for a long time that I don't think we'll make playoffs. And I'd say this if we had made 5-2 for example.

We're so deep in this mediocrity mud that have very little ability to make any kind of manouver. What I say is Randolph would not be an upgrade and our trade ability is not much, trades like your proposed trade are very very unlikely to happen currently.

[spectre]

For those who are content with what we have and feel the 0-7 start means nothing, you will likely get your wish. Honestly, I don't see mgmnt doing anything. But when we are 1/3 of the way thru the season, and complaining about being near the bottom of the league again rather than contending for a Playoff spot, don't be hypocritical and start yelling for mgmnt to make a move to improve the team. This is the team you want.

Uh...no.

I'm saying IT'S TOO EARLY to panic now...not that "this is the team I want". I want this team if they all pick up on what LB is bringing to the table, but after a couple of months it might be evident that some on the team just can't do it.

And by coincidence, about that time the trade deadline will be approaching...and like us other teams just might be willing to make a move as well.

Make no mistake; I'm firmly in the camp of "what Larry Brown wants then Larry Brown gets". IF he wanted to bring in the flat slob in NY (that'd be either Randolph or Curry)...I'd bitch but I'd still support it. If he wants to trade Felton for Marbury...I'd bitch but I'd still support it.

After the first 4 seasons I've come to realize just how much a great coach/teacher of the game means. In my mind Larry Brown is the "untouchable", and what he says goes.

Right now his lineups in the 4th quarter are telling me wins/losses don't matter as much to him as it does to analyze the bench. To that I say "if that's what Larry Brown wants...".

[spectre]

We have a new coach with very intricate game plans. Most of our guys haven't been truly "coached" in a while.

The crux of the situation, and why all the guys deserve some time to learn LB's system.

[Chef]

how about this trade. keeping in mind ny is trying to cut cap space, they can trade carroll or d'antoni can use him to bomb three's. of course the reason for the trade is david lee, but we can always use a fat guy on the roster and since may is outbound it could work.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211~2753~2776~990~2772&teams=18~18~18~30~30&te=&cash=

[tamburello]

how about this trade. keeping in mind ny is trying to cut cap space, they can trade carroll or d'antoni can use him to bomb three's. of course the reason for the trade is david lee, but we can always use a fat guy on the roster and since may is outbound it could work.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2211~2753~2776~990~2772&teams=18~18~18~30~30&te=&cash=

I don't think they're desperately looking for a shooter, it looks like Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson will flourish as D'Antoni type shooters. Eddy Curry also is as problematic as Randolph, his body and fitness are always concerning.

[ohara831]

Specrte: I think I understand better now from where you are coming. But I still see this team as woefully inadequate as currently constituted.

Chef: I am a big fan of Lee and would love to have him as a Bobcat. Curry worries me with his health concerns. I'd rather substitute someone else.

[dav7z]

Chef , basicly it's Felton for David Lee With Curry added in as a dump .
May has shown nothing so far. Carroll being just a filler. Im sure N Y. Would rather have a shorter contract in Morroson. I agree with Tamb , we don't have many tradable pieces
But not much is lost with the lynth of the contracts. Im a big Felton fan but if Brown wanted too make that trade i would be like Spectre and back him. I can all so feel where you coming from too .Ohara i feel my self wanting to blow up the whole team and start over . Making tons of moves and for draft picks . In just two short years Portland got the best young basketball team in the NBA. Making smart moves. Boston blew up its team and in one season they win a ring. Im ready for the Bobcats to start taking some chances and making some moves to put this team in the right direction.
I don't care whitch of our players it involves. Wallace Swish who ever. Im not even convinced signing Mek to a big contract was a good move.
Its going to take wins to get me out of this bad frame of mind. And yes im still backing our team . I m just pissed at our team. A nd no i have no real idea as to what will fix the problem . I hope L B rown is a step in that direction.

[dav7z]

I was thinking if N.Y wants to get rid of Curry as badly as they seem . I would offer and take a chance on somthing like this . Only reason N Y does this is to get rid of Curry.
This is somthing i would jump all over in a flat second.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55007/20081022/dantoni_benches_out_of_shape_curry/


Players out, Morrison, Nazr, May,
Players in , Curry, D,Lee

We keep both our point guards. We pick up a starting p/f in Lee , Curry has the tools to start and could easly back up Mek even push his playing time or take it depending on if he bought into Browns system. Down side puting up with Curry in the locor room.


Reason for N Y to do it , Get rid of Curry, Get a team playing center in return, A have a chance to have a quility starter in either May or Morrison or just add debth.
tradable contracts all so.

[Marvel]

i will take him actually....I honestly think we need an "attitude" on this team to get us fired up a little.....LB has had attitudes on alot of his teams ala Sheed and AI

Just as long as we dont trade Adam


Good point,and yes i do think we need a player with attitude but i don't think Zach Randolph's attitude inspires his team mates in fact it doesn't.I love KG's attitude and Sheed sure knows how to fire up his team which makes them play more aggressively.No i don't like the idea of trading for Randolph what about the other Randolph though,Anthony.

[Chef]

those were my thoughts about the trade exactly. the goal is lee and if curry turns out even 1 good year great if not we have a 9 mil expiring next year. again, i tried to avoid losing ammo as i think he deserves one more year as far as proving himself. we could even try to swap 2010 draft picks too.

as far as i understand the trading system and salary cap (i don't), we can stand to take on a 2 year deal like curry this year because we can trade the expiring contract in the 2009-2010 season. right now we don't have any big tradeable players for the future.

either way we need to figure something out to get pf who can score. i don't see the point in waiting until we are struggling in early Dec to try and make a move.

[BRNC]

The major reason the Knicks are in and have been in the mess is overpaying mediocre players, taking crappy contracts from other teams, and bringing in problem children no one else wants....so why would we want our team to start doing what the Knicks have successfully shown every other team in the league not to do? I would take David Lee from them and that's about it...but they will not trade Lee without some other team taking a crappy contract/problem child with him...so let them keep him and we need to find a trade that actually works for both teams...any trade with the Knicks at this point will only remove their garbage and bring it to the team they trade with...my opinion

[dav7z]

The major reason the Knicks are in and have been in the mess is overpaying mediocre players, taking crappy contracts from other teams, and bringing in problem children no one else wants....so why would we want our team to start doing what the Knicks have successfully shown every other team in the league not to do? I would take David Lee from them and that's about it...but they will not trade Lee without some other team taking a crappy contract/problem child with him...so let them keep him and we need to find a trade that actually works for both teams...any trade with the Knicks at this point will only remove their garbage and bring it to the team they trade with...my opinion
In the trade i proposed . We not giving up anything of value except Nazr
Morrison has no value and May has very little.
The basics of that trade would be D Lee for Nazr
To me we get the better player in Lee
As far as Curry . His contract is better than Nazr contract. As far as his ability . He has more than MEK . If Brown could get it out of him . W orst case we trading Lee for Nazz
We give up three back up players for a starter and a back up . Its no way May is better than Lee.

Better yet the core stays toghter . W e don't have to give up nothing but junk. All so it allows room for A. Brown , Williams, and S Brown,

[ohara831]

Dav7z: That is an interesting idea you propose. Certainly if NY bit, I'd be fine with it.

[BRNC]

Dav...I'm not trying to war with you....and the guys you were proposing from our side are just that...bench players and back ups....but Curry has a contract almost twice that of Nazr for the same time frame...a 6mil contract is a heck of a lot easier to trade than an 11mil contract....Also, if any other team in the league thought Curry would be anything other than the non-force he is they would have jumped to trade with the Knicks.

Secondly, Lee has only been a back up himself...he does not have a great or even good face up game which we need from the 4 position....he is an adequate defender as a back up but I'm not sold that he's a starter...do I think he's better than what we have...yes...but that in itself is a risk and taking that bloated contract of Currys' really makes it a risk I would never take....I'll take the 6mil of Nazr any year over the 10-11 of Currys'....

The sad thing is we all know we need a 4...better than we have on the roster and for me it is frustrating that this front office either can't see that or is incapable of making a trade that does not fleece our team...

[wil]

NY vs Bobcats Nov. 6 2008
Zach Randolph - 25 pts (10-15fgs) 13 rebs. 1 ast. 2 stls.


Anyone still thinks he can't help the bobcats front court?


I say we make this move since ny is clearly shopping him.

Carrol/adam/ray n Nazr for Zach!!! Trade!

[ohara831]

If LB felt he could coach and work w/ Zach, I'd be fine w/ Zach. I am not a Zach hater, but many here are deadly opposed to him. But if you give up Ray, you have to have an experienced PG to help DJ. There wouldn't be one coming back in that trade, and dont think there is much out there in FA market. Had we made a move a couple months ago when NY was begging someone to take him, we might have gotten him for less. But they wont want Nazr or Carroll anyway as they only want players whose Contracts will be up by 2010 so they can make a run at King James. And now that people know how weak we are at the PF spot, they wont be letting anyone go cheap. The FO screwed up putting all their eggs in the Sean May basket as Ajinca wont be ready for prime time for 2-3 years at least. If we are basically looking at another Lottery year and can only hope that we get a high enough pick to get a big time PF, that wont help b/c we are counting on Ajinca in 2-3 years. We need to land help via trade at the PF position that might only be around a few years without mortgaging the future. Bad dilemma we are in thanks to bad decision making by the FO. Long term Contracts have us hamstrung and we still need to make a decision on Ray soon as he will come up for Contract renewal soon. We are almost resigned to just having to accept losing for the next several years or making some serious trades of some of our core players to shake things up as well as free us of some Contactual excessive weight. Between a rock and a hard place is where we find ourselves. The only one of our "core" players who is truly deserving of NO TRADE status is J-Rich IMO, no one else. Everyone else would be available IF the deal was right.

[Chef]

i would add crash to that list. his numbers are pretty impressive and he is really starting to look good in LB's system.

[ohara831]

i would add crash to that list. his numbers are pretty impressive and he is really starting to look good in LB's system.

I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT HIS CONCUSSION ISSUE IS SLIGHTLY AN ISSUE. MAN PLAYS HIS BUTT OFF AND IS SO ENERGETIC. HE'LL NEVER STOP PLAYING THAT WAY, WHICH KINDA SCARES ME A BIT. KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST ONE MORE SERIOUS CONCUSSION AND IT COULD BE A CAREER - SO I THINK I'D ALLOW FOR HIM TO GO IF THE PRICE WAS RIGHT. IT JUST KINDA MAKES EVERYONE NERVOUS EVERY GAME GAME HE HITS THE FLOOR HARD - AND THAT DOES SEEM TO HAPPEN EVERY GAME. BUT FOR THAT, I WOULD LIKELY PUT HIM W/ J-RICH ON MY NO TRADE LIST.

[Marvel]

I seriously think we should trade for ................................wait for it................................................ .................................................. ..........................
Dah Dah, Jason Thompson.

[docend24]

NY vs Bobcats Nov. 6 2008
Zach Randolph - 25 pts (10-15fgs) 13 rebs. 1 ast. 2 stls.


Anyone still thinks he can't help the bobcats front court?


I say we make this move since ny is clearly shopping him.

Carrol/adam/ray n Nazr for Zach!!! Trade!
Wait a minute. He reached these numbers against us. You can't take them seriously.

[lancer]

"GAMBLE" IS THE WORD THAT NOT IN THE VOCABULARY OF BOBCATS FO. IN NBA HISTORY, so far many gamble wins. Ray Allen,Paul Pierce and KG gamble wins rings. Chicago sign Dennis Rodman resulted 3 rings. Pistons get R. Wallace get rings also. walt frazier earl monroe gamble got a ring but hakeem, charles, scottie pippen gamble is a mess.But seeing Hornets gamble on Posey work right now i love the word "gamble".

if LB put gamble in the bobcats FO vocabulary for Edd Cury is ok with me.

cya in the casinos..

[BRNC]

I seriously think we should trade for ................................wait for it................................................ .................................................. ..........................
Dah Dah, Jason Thompson.
No way the Kings will trade him...they might trade M. Moore...but not sure that I want him unless they want Matt since we're not really playing him...and he is the only one I'd trade for Moore...

[TheBeagle]

The only one of our "core" players who is truly deserving of NO TRADE status is J-Rich IMO, no one else. Everyone else would be available IF the deal was right. Even though I cut out the majority of it, good post, ohara! You're right, a trade is the only realistic option at getting a 4, and since I'm seeing big things for Lexy, like you say, the theoretical 4 we need to acquire should have 2 years left on his contract...3 at most.

Now, if the RIGHT deal came along, I'm of the opinion that NO ONE is untouchable. JR has been a great citizen and a lot of fun to watch, but it's obvious our Ws and Ls haven't changed since he arrived, so he's not THAT important to the wellfare of the team. Because he's overlooked by most of the league, I don't think anybody would take him anyway because of his contract, and what they would have to give up in order for us to trade him, but still, IF the deal was right, I'd include him also.

Still, from a fans perspective neither he nor GW go ANYWHERE!!!

[Mustachio]

I actually think Mek is the only untouchable on the roster. Trade him away for a PF and then we have a need at C... which is probably even harder to find.

[wil]

Wait a minute. He reached these numbers against us. You can't take them seriously.

Nov. 9, 2008
NY vs UTH

Zach Randolph - 25 pts 14 rebs 1 stl


Another NY victory

[wil]

I've been telling you guys from day 1, He is the real deal, the post presence we desperately need. Lets hope we can still get him, but now its a long shot, a halfcourt shot! before, ny was literally begging to get rid of his contract, but no, most guys here put him down especially GW die hards.. Now, were stuck with GW n zach is playing great. and most of all, NY is 4-2 and winning!!!

[SWedd523]

Nov. 9, 2008
NY vs UTH

Zach Randolph - 25 pts 14 rebs 1 stl


Another NY victory

Thank the lord I decided to pick him up for my Fantasy Team last night:biggrin:

[lancer]

they are not gamble on zach..period. Results no low post threat.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Another fat guy with a bad attitude thread? Jeeze guys, just because he's played like 3 good game in his career, up near 7' tall and on a crap team doesn't mean we want him. Get it out! Get it out!!!!