Trade with the warriors [Archive]

Mustachio

10-17-2008, 01:03 AM

YES we will take it. anything to get that awful dreadful Adam Morrison off this team.

I mean we gave him a whole rookie season to become a superstar, and he failed us. We will actually just give you Adam Morrison for a ham sandwich and Baron Davis' head band back.

sorry warrior that sarcasm isnt directed at you...

but as to your trade seriously. absolutely not.

the last thing we need to do is trade for 3 more SG/SF types. like seriously the very last thing we would need to do. so no. Not to mention that would put 2 rookie point guards under Larry Brown (who still needs to prove he isnt a crazy rookie hater) and ruin the one good thing we got going: a good locker room with that crazy head case Jackson.

but how about Adam Morrison, Jermario Davidson and a second round pick for Biedrins

WAM9

10-17-2008, 01:11 AM

Ah...No.

I can't put it any more simple than that. Marco is kind of interesting but not nearly enough to give up Felton for. Much less Felton AND Morrison.

I have no use for Jackson. He has always been known to have a attitude and we don't need someone like him on our team.

CJ Who?

Just kidding. Isn't Watson a NBDL player? I know he finished the year with you guys last year but I don't really remember ever seeing him play. Either way, this trade would put him as our backup point...no thanks.

By the way, how are GS fans thinking of the Richardson -Wright trade in retrospect? I know is was a money saving deal in the first place but you guys can't be happy. I read Wright is already behind the rookie on the depth chart. Do you guys think Wright will end up developing into a really good player or not?

WAM9

10-17-2008, 01:12 AM

but how about Adam Morrison, Jermario Davidson and a second round pick for Biedrins

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Warrior 4 Life85

10-17-2008, 01:24 AM

yeah that didn't make sense to me in the article which is why I'm here trying to figure out the scoop, why would they (u) give up Felton?

you have two good point guards right now. both are pretty descent. why would you give up either?

From ESPN.com Preseason Trades article
Raymond Felton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2753), Bobcats

The Bobcats surprised a lot of people when they drafted point guard D.J. Augustin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3415) in the lottery. But the Bobcats had been quietly shopping Felton ever since Larry Brown took over as coach.
While neither Augustin nor Felton has taken over this preseason, the word out of Charlotte is that Augustin, sooner or later, is going to be the point guard in Charlotte. With Felton heading into restricted free agency next summer, look for the Bobcats to get something in return while they can. Felton may never be a superstar, but he's a starting point guard, and those aren't always easy to come by.

What do you guys think of this article? is it accurate? they've fvcked up things about the warriors before, so I suppose they can do it to you guys too.

lancer

10-17-2008, 02:24 AM

how about Ginobilli and Matt Booner for Jason..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1018~1996~272&teams=24~30~30&te=&cash=

Alex

10-17-2008, 02:29 AM

Why the hell would we trade away J-Rich? He's younger and better than Ginobili. Ginobili has just been lucky to land on an amazing team. He's a great player but I don't think he can be the number one option for an NBA team.

as for the original thread proposal, no freakin' way. We have way too many 3s already.

dav7z

10-17-2008, 07:12 AM

Welcome Worriers fan , You guys all ways have class . Im not cuting down any trade ideas you guys come up with. With that said our need is at p/f and im going to catch it for this one . As well a bunch of Worrier's fans won't like this.
In= Harrington and M Williams
Out= Felton and Morrison
This might need a small filler.
But you guys have three p/fs Randolph, Wright , Harrington. and with Monta suspended for thirty games you guys need a point in a big way.
We need a P/F in a big way , I just dont know. It could work
Augustine,M. Williams
Rich, Carroll, S, Brown
Wallace, Dudley
Harrington, May, Davidson, Alexas to the NDBL
OK5o, Nazz, Davidson ,
I would all so like to sign Jake V. hear just to be a back up red neck . Thats 15 players
It balances our roster out,
Damn i would hate to loose Felton but for team good i would do it.

Dead_Real

10-17-2008, 04:10 PM

Any trade between us and the Warriors would have to be sending Randolph or Wright to Charlotte.

Mustachio

10-17-2008, 04:55 PM

Any trade between us and the Warriors would have to be sending Randolph or Wright to Charlotte.

How does that get us any closer to a championship though. We have enough project bigs... we dont need to go losing peices to switch project big for project big.

Dead_Real

10-17-2008, 05:17 PM

How does that get us any closer to a championship though. We have enough project bigs... we dont need to go losing peices to switch project big for project big.
Right now I honestly believe those two are better than any big on our roster not named Okafor especially AR who I see being a top 5 player from last years draft.

dav7z

10-17-2008, 05:34 PM

Any trade between us and the Warriors would have to be sending Randolph or Wright to Charlotte.

Why not Harrington , and M Williams.
Harrington a experianced vetran can easly drain the eighteen footers . Big and quick enough to guard most NBA P/Fs . Has a decent post game , And is a starting caliber P/F
Williams is the 6.3 point Brown covets

T he nice large point and a starting p/f . This make sence for both teams . They get a starting point they need badly.
Felton and Morrison for Harrington and Williams. Personaly i like it

Muttley

10-17-2008, 05:36 PM

For entertainment purposes only (I'm not 100% of what if anything we should do right now):

Thought 1 (CHA/LAL):

CHA out
Felton
May
Mohammed

CHA in
Farmar
Odom

Thought 2(CHA/GSW):

CHA out
Felton
Morrison-or-Carroll

CHA in
Harrington
Watson

So, the more I think about these, the less I like them. The first one I think we give up a lot in both Felton and Mohammed. That'd leave us with one center. Is Odom gonna get us to the playoffs? Maybe not, but it's a huge expiring which could give us the opportunity to go after Boozer next summer.

The second one, I'm just unsure about. Obviously we'd lose quality depth at PG, and I'm honestly not sure whether Harrington's a guy we'd want. I'm not totally familiar with his game, but it seems like it should make sense.

Anyways, I hope this post at least stokes the discussion fire while we wait for the season to start.

Muttley

10-17-2008, 05:36 PM

HA! I like your style, dav7z.

Dead_Real

10-17-2008, 05:56 PM

Why not Harrington , and M Williams.
Harrington a experianced vetran can easly drain the eighteen footers . Big and quick enough to guard most NBA P/Fs . Has a decent post game , And is a starting caliber P/F
Williams is the 6.3 point Brown covets

T he nice large point and a starting p/f . This make sence for both teams . They get a starting point they need badly.
Felton and Morrison for Harrington and Williams. Personaly i like it
I'm not a huge fan of Marcus Williams but Al Harrington would be a good pick up I guess. His attitude could be a problem but Nelson has seemed to calm him down a bit I don't think it would be a issue for Coach Brown either.

Odom is so underrated would love to have him in Charlotte dude would be a beast next to Mek like he was with Bynum last year.

spectre

10-17-2008, 06:20 PM

I'm with you Muttley about wanting to keep Nazr...just look what's lined up behind him! I like the idea of May/Felton for Odom/Farmar, but you need another contract in the 6-7 range and that's only either Nazr or Crash.

If only Ammo or Hammer made about 2-3 million more. I'd throw one of those guys in and run with it.

Not a fan at all of the 2nd trade. I like CJ Watson, but he's no pure PG and I think LB would hate him. Ditto with Marcus Williams. The times I've seen him play he didn't seem much of a passer (and that's with VC & Dickhead) and he also seemed real tentative.

Harrington? Eh...he's always been considered a lazy defender, and defense is a lot of what we need out of a PF.

Muttley

10-17-2008, 06:28 PM

I'm with you Muttley about wanting to keep Nazr...just look what's lined up behind him! I like the idea of May/Felton for Odom/Farmar, but you need another contract in the 6-7 range and that's only either Nazr or Crash.

If only Ammo or Hammer made about 2-3 million more. I'd throw one of those guys in and run with it.

Not a fan at all of the 2nd trade. I like CJ Watson, but he's no pure PG and I think LB would hate him. Harrington? Eh...he's always been considered a lazy defender, and defense is a lot of what we need out of a PF.

I tried another trade with Morrison, May and Carroll out for Odom straight up. No idea why LA would consider it, but it does pass the trade checker.

Another one: May/Felton/Carroll/Davidson<---->Odom/Farmar.
Presumably they'd cut Davidson and possibly May. Still, would they want Felton that badly?

TheBeagle

10-17-2008, 11:12 PM

I agree; that trade doesn't help us out with our 4 problem at all, so it's a waste of Ammo and Raymond. The talent that would be coming in is pretty damn good, but we just don't need them with our roster like it is.

Also, just wanted to say how refreshing it is to have a courteous, polite "outsider" fan stop by the boards. As far as I'm concerned all GSW fans are welcome here any time, as they've all been respectful, as opposed to the numbnuts Cavs and Rockets fans that have stopped by somewhat recently.

Slam

10-19-2008, 07:53 PM

Not a fan at all of the 2nd trade. I like CJ Watson, but he's no pure PG and I think LB would hate him. Ditto with Marcus Williams. The times I've seen him play he didn't seem much of a passer (and that's with VC & Dickhead) and he also seemed real tentative.
I watched Williams a lot at UConn and he is actually a very good, creative passer. If anything, the biggest knock on him was his J and his conditioning...................and the fact he stole some laptops!! I was impressed with his PG play at UConn though.

If we thought that DJ was able to start the season as our #1 PG (and that is probably doubtful?) and the GSW's really wanted a starting PG and were willing, I would make this deal:

Felts
for
Randolph and Williams

and would consider switching Randolph out with Wright.

DJ - Williams
Swish - Hammer - Brown
Crash - Dude - Ammo
Randolph - Davidson - Lex
EO50 - Nazzy - Williams

Of course having two rookies in the starting line up would have me nervous.

MattD

10-19-2008, 10:45 PM

I watched Williams a lot at UConn and he is actually a very good, creative passer. If anything, the biggest knock on him was his J and his conditioning...................and the fact he stole some laptops!! I was impressed with his PG play at UConn though.

If we thought that DJ was able to start the season as our #1 PG (and that is probably doubtful?) and the GSW's really wanted a starting PG and were willing, I would make this deal:

Felts
for
Randolph and Williams

and would consider switching Randolph out with Wright.

DJ - Williams
Swish - Hammer - Brown
Crash - Dude - Ammo
Randolph - Davidson - Lex
EO50 - Nazzy - Williams

Of course having two rookies in the starting line up would have me nervous.

bigslam, im disappointed, thats a terrible trade and wouldnt happen. What good does an unproven pf who is a bean pole do for us. Weve already got three on the roster (hollins, davidson, ajinca)... sure he lit it up in summer league, but so did bellineli or whatevs last year. Many can. He would have terrible foul trouble. He is inexperienced. Hed be shoved in the low post and get few rebounds. Not what we really need at all, and whether gs would give him up, that is debatable.

Slam

10-19-2008, 11:15 PM

SWedd523

10-19-2008, 11:29 PM

MattD: Not sure if you got to see any of Randolph's SL games, but he looked wonderful. He plays like a point forward, has excellent handles and passing, crashes the boards and blocks shots. He has range on his J and is quick and mobile.

He's the exact thing we need at the 4.

With his length and IQ he could guard the Bosh's/LMA's/Jamisons and Lewis's that continually give us fits.
While he has the potential to fill that role, it's still potential at this point. Its common knowledge that the SL doesn't mean anything. He wasn't playing the Bosh's/LMA's/Jamisons and Lewis's. And he would certainly NOT put up the same numbers against those guys.

He's got awesome potential, but he's still a project. We're chock full of projects, I don't see any point in bringing him in unless its straight up for one of our other projects and other minor pieces. I wouldn't give up a starter for a project.

We need an established PF that we KNOW can be depended on to score and board. Granted, there aren't many of those possible out there--but we're still better off with a veteran presence and not a rookie in the 4

Slam

10-20-2008, 08:57 AM

Swedd: Randolph is on a totally different level to Lex, Davidson and Twiggy. While he is still a project, and you are right, he is, you can't put him in the same class as those other guys.

I would happily trade all three of our projects for Randolph.

Fact is, we aren't going to get the established 4 that we all want. It's just not going to happen and I don't want a Reggie Evans/Nick Collison type. We dont have the tools (players or cap room) to land a high end PF so we are going to have to take a chance on an unproven one coming good because the chances that we have taken (Davidson in particular) hasn't paid off.

I honestly took the stance months ago that we should just sit pat and see what we have in our own back yard before trading what we have to bring someone in, but from reading what most people are saying, McMay is still a bum, Davidson has taken a step back and Twiggy, well, he's just Twiggy.

To address our "problem" area, we are going to have to give something of value up and have a whole lot of luck with what comes back.

At least with my trade idea, the thing that we would have to give up (Felts) "might" be able to be covered (DJ is also a project afterall) and we would get back a back up PG with size and would hopefully finally get lucky with a project big.

spectre

10-20-2008, 09:32 AM

I'll pile on! :biggrin:

Didn't watch Marcus at UCONN, but I've seen enough of him in NJ to know right now that he's not a starting PG in the NBA. He's tentative in his passing/driving and he still makes head scratching decisions. His shot did seem to be better than you're describing in college, but what I remember most was his open look midrange shots being pretty deadly.

Maybe he was so intimidated backing up Kidd and playing with VC and maybe he can bust out of it with GSW...but there are enough questions in my mind about him where I'd loathe to depend on him too much, esp. considering the learning curve DJ will have before he could take over.

And there's no way I'd trade Felton for Williams and Wright. Wright lacks aggression and anything offensively outside of 5 feet. We have too much of that already.

Slam

10-20-2008, 10:34 AM

I wouldn't expect Marcus to start for us. He'd be used as a back up PG and has the size (6'3" and 210lbs) to play some off guard if need be (although his D is said to be suspect). Maybe you are right, maybe he was intimidated playing behind Kidd - to his own admission he was a HUGE fan of Kidd growing up. In saying that, he should have been able to learn a lot under Kidd. They have very similar games.

Also, if you believe what is written on the Nets boards, Frank used Williams about as well as BB and the Idiot used Felts. They were sad to see him traded, but happy because getting away from Frank, in their opinion, would allow Williams to blossom into the PG they think he can be.

Maybe he was badly misused in Jersey?

And ya, I'd really only be about Randolph in the trade. Wright is too limited offensively for what we need. I said I would consider switching out Randolph for Wright, but in all honesty I probably wouldn't.

The deal is all about Randolph.

spectre

10-20-2008, 10:58 AM

Good point about his coach and about the fan bases' thoughts. You could be right about him.

Randolph...if you'll remember I followed absolutely no college this past season, so I'll have to take your word (and that's rock solid from my POV). I have read on the GSW board at RGM that they're very high on him.

I'd probably do your initial trade as well (course I'd study up a LOT more on him first!), but if their management is as high on him as their fans are I doubt they would.

dav7z

10-20-2008, 11:26 AM

The reason i posted Harrington and M Willians . As i think its to much love for Randolph and Wright .Even though Harrington is the starter .
I could live with a
Felton , M Williams , S Brown
Swish , Carroll , S Brown
Wallace , Dudley, Carroll
Harrington, May , Davidson, AA. With A.A to the D league for playng time and experiance.
OKEO . Nazz, , Hollins.
With Williams or A. Brown playing in that number 15 slot.
This roster is much more balanced than what we have. And it puts Crash
way down on the debth charts as a /p/f

Look for big things out of this J Williams kid hes a keeper.

Slam

10-20-2008, 11:48 AM

Spectre: I didn't get to see him at all at LSU so he was an unknown to me going into the draft but I did see his 4 SL games but was really impressed with his IQ and his inside/outside ability. Plus, watching a 6'10" bring the ball up the court, set up and execute a teams offense is pretty dam impressive!!

I tend to agree with you and Dav though - I doubt the GSW's would give him up..........although they are jonesing for a starting PG!!

Dav: I don't like Harrington. He's a chucker and plays no D.

Agreed with

Warrior 4 Life85

10-20-2008, 04:40 PM

hey cats fans, how does this look?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190~308~3410~2753~3016&teams=30~30~9~9~9&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190%7E308%7E3410%7E2753%7E301 6&teams=30%7E30%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=)

Al Harrington
and
Marco Belinelli or if we have to C.J. Watson

for

Raymond Felton
and
Adam Morrison
and
Alexis Ajinca

you guys really need a legit PF, and we really need a legit PG. trade made in heaven. Marco Belinelli is young but played 5 years professionally in Italy before being drafted last year.
Morrison has talent but no speed (probably esp with the injury). it's a risky move for us, b/c we are such a quick Run and Gun offense, but then again, it's only a one year contract, and he kind of has to be in the trade for it to work financially: Harrington is 9M, Felton is 4M. NBA rules stipulate that your incoming salaries can not be more than 125% of your outgoing salaries (+/- $100,000). Nobody want's Carroll's big contract for five years at 5M anually. there's really no one else appealing on your squad for the price of around 3-6M besides morrison.

People we can't/won't trade (so don't even try):
-can't trade Marcus Williams yet (3 month Trade restriction after signing)
-Wright - sorry you had your chance. He looks good in preseason and we are psyched to have him.
-Randolph - He is our future, after Jackson and Maggette are done, no way were giving him up.
-Azubuike - just resigned him, not losing him anytime soon.
------------------
so you guys get Marco, who can also play point, but is a better shooting guard. Don Nelson does not believe in playing rookies, so don't think that he sucks just because you didn't see him

SWedd523

10-20-2008, 05:27 PM

Warrior 4 Life85

10-20-2008, 05:36 PM

First Off, Thanks for the love/acceptance Bobcat Planet. yeah we are rooting for different teams, but we don't have to be a*&holes to each other and I'm glad thats not the case. As long as you guys are polite I'd welcome your thoughts on www.GoldenstWarriors.com. my username over there is "First Off" if you care to chat. oh btw, Steve Smith is my favorite reciever!

anywho...

A couple things to tack on, Cat's fans:

Last year, we had a great starting 5, but almost no depth to speak of (well we had rookies, but like I said Nelly loves experience on the floor). Monta Ellis, Baron Davis, and Stephen Jackson were ALL leading the league in minutes per game. Now that we have considerably more depth (turiaf, Wright, Randolph, Azubuike w/ more xp) we should be a much more dangerous. we do thrive off of controlling the turnover difference. last couple years we were in the top of the league in take aways ratio (last year we were #1). And while I'm happy to have Corey Maggette, he is very TO prone. so a good PG is essential to success in my eyes.

I realize now that Stephen Jackson isn't going to be worth it to sell. He's a good leader for us and under-rated for some one that puts up 20ppg and stays healthy year round. so let's talk about Mr. Harrington.

I feel Al Harrington didn't get a fair chance to shine last year.

If you recall, the last couple years, we've been known as the midgets, munchkins, etc. he was one of 2 players we had over 6'9" that was in the rotation.

Here's a 6'9" and fairly bulky, although he's no Sean May, and he also looks a lot leaner this preseason (appereantly he was doing mixed martial arts over the summer, so I wouldn't F with him) - power forward who plays like a big 3 guard. Instead of playing a small 4 or 3, he, at times, started at center, and was always Andris Biedrins backup. That should not be his role, and it takes a lot out of him, so he can't give much on the offensive end. For instance, he guarded Dwight Howard (well btw) when we played the magic. yeah he's not going to grab a ton of steals or block a ton of shots, but he usually guards someone bigger than him, and I never find myself thinking "oh crud, Al's in the game he can't defend a chair." I'm convinced if he didn't have to play back-up center, he would have still had the ups to knock down threes in the second half of the season.

I'm sure if you guys put him at the 3 or a true 4 he could destroy a few lanky SFs with his combo of post game and range. It's just we have Jackson and Maggette cloging up the 3, and we need quickness over talent at those wing positions.

Why exactly does everyone say (and you guys seem) you want Felton gone?

Warrior 4 Life85

10-20-2008, 05:41 PM

110oldeast

10-20-2008, 05:53 PM

Anthony Randolph is who we should have drafted in the first place as a PF was this team's greatest and most glaring need. Why this franchise keeps trying to get FILL-INs for the 1A or 1B most franchise player on the floor role I don't know. Until they overcome this brain freeze, we will struggle.

ammofan

10-20-2008, 06:58 PM

MattD

10-20-2008, 07:19 PM

no way i trade alexis ajinca either then

Slam

10-20-2008, 08:17 PM

Slam I think we agree but in different ways lol. I would take Randolph over any of our three projects. But I wouldn't want to give up someone who has established themselves as an at least solid starter.

He can certainly be EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. But the key word is CAN, not IS. To me, DJ hasn't proven himself enough to show that he can take over for Felts and not be much of a drop off.

I would be willing to trade May, or pretty much anybody not in the starting lineup, but I'm usually against trading a solid piece for a RELATIVELY unknown player.
I guess the biggest difference is that I don't think that Felts has established himself as a solid starter so if we had to give him up in order to have a chance to improve our team, then I would do it.

It's the same theory as when we kicked around the idea of trading Crash for Boozer. No one really wanted to, but most of it would because big picture, it would be better for our team.

Slam

10-20-2008, 08:19 PM

oh yeah fyi...

Anthony Randolph apparently grew up as a point guard, and then he had a huge growth spurt in high school. that's why he looks so comfortable with the ball for a guy his size. he does have a long way to go though. very raw and only 19! There is absolutely no way were trading him. sorry.
I don't blame you, but you have to understand something:

There is absolutely no way were trading Felts for Harrington. sorry.

Harrington is a bum. Not only is he a bum, but he is also an UFA at the end of this season, which makes his value even lower.

SWedd523

10-20-2008, 10:21 PM

I guess the biggest difference is that I don't think that Felts has established himself as a solid starter so if we had to give him up in order to have a chance to improve our team, then I would do it.

It's the same theory as when we kicked around the idea of trading Crash for Boozer. No one really wanted to, but most of it would because big picture, it would be better for our team.

lol I was actually going to say it seems like we hold Felts in opposite esteems. I guess it would depend on how the front office feels about him. The only thing holding me back is DJ. If he can prove during the first part of the season that he's capable of taking the starting gig, then by all means trade Felts. But I don't want us to finally trade away our PG strength as soon as we get some. Again though, if DJ shows he's at least on par with Felts-then pull the trigger and trade Ray away for Randolph.

Let's be fair though, swiss army knife borderline allstar for Olympian is a huge difference from Felts and Randolph

SWedd523

10-20-2008, 10:26 PM

I don't blame you, but you have to understand something:

There is absolutely no way were trading Felts for Harrington. sorry.

Harrington is a bum. Not only is he a bum, but he is also an UFA at the end of this season, which makes his value even lower.

I can finally unequivocally agree with Slam on something!

No offense Warrior, but do you really think we'd be willing to trade our starting point guard for a guy that only averages 13 PPG, 5 RPG, and 2 APG?

....in a fast paced, uptempo offense. :rolleyes:

Marvel

10-20-2008, 11:59 PM

I'm thinking Morrison,Ajinca plus a draft pick for Biedrins.
Then trade Felton,May for Brandan Wright/Randolph

Marvel

10-21-2008, 12:01 AM

And no Felton for Harrington won't happen,Harrington doesn't address any of the Bobcats weaknesses especially rebounding which he sucks at.

Warrior 4 Life85

10-21-2008, 12:18 AM

OK lets deal with these things one at a time.

1) Harrington isn't done with his contract at the end of the year, he has a player option (meaning he can extend his contract one more year if he chooses) and he definitely is going to use it. so it's actually a two year contract.

2) He was averaging 18ppg, ~7rpg, 3apg in Atlanta (2 seasons ago). a team more similar to yours. I explain above how he's playing 2 positions away (Center) from his natural (small forward) one. The big advantage of Al Harrington can't be found in the stats. He's versatile. he may not be able to dominate at the Center but he still posted Okay numbers. Crash goes down (as he inevitably will) - he can step right in to the 3 no problem. I'm fairly confident you'll see his numbers go up slightly this year while he is still with us, since we have so much more depth and we lost a ball hog at PG.

3) Forgot to talk about the timing of this trade. it is not immediate. First we have to see how Marcus Williams does at the starting roll (not looking good thus far). Second we have to make sure your Morrison still has two legs that work. Third, you guys have to be comfortable with DJ Augustin as your starting PG (which I think he can). if all these things go the right way, which it seems they are leaning, then we initiate the trade. Don Nelson has been trying to turn Monta Ellis into a point guard, but they probably will abandon that idea soon since this was the year to fig it out.

4) You guys he Mek. why are you so concerned about rebounds? you need points. we lead the league in points last year. we had points coming out of our ass last year. Harrington was our fourth option on offense (Baron, Monta, Jax, then Al). give him a team with less offensive studs, and I believe he'll shine even more.

5) Despite what you fans think or say, the word is out: you guys are looking to trade Felton. Chad Ford, Steve Hollinger, the announcers in the last warriors preseason game have all mentioned it. Harrington has expressed (a little) that he is unhappy with his role on the Warriors. right after B. Davis left, the first thing people (including journalist) thought was lets lose Harrington for a PG. so this trade may happen whether you like it or not.

6) Harrington might be a little overpriced, but he's what you guys are need: a PF that can help your team NOW. You guys gotta agree too, Morrison is overpriced at 4.2 Million. Let's be real here.

SWedd523

10-21-2008, 12:42 AM

First, you really think he's trying to stay in Charlotte? I doubt he'd keep his option here and would look elsewhere for more money.

Second, it doesn't matter what he averaged one year in Atlanta. He's a 10 year vet and averages 13 points and 5 rebounds a game. I think 10 years is a pretty good measuring stick for a players development and skill level.

Third, I thought our problem was too MANY wings and too FEW bigs, why bring in another SF when we clearly have plenty of midsize guys.

Last, we're not going to spend money and trade away our starting PG for a 4th option. Sorry. Our team is undersized as it is, Harrington would clearly NOT help. He provides nothing but 13 points a game by doing nothing but launching three's and not playing defense. We need a REAL power foward, not Harrington. I would rather have Zack Randolph and would MUCH rather have Anthony Randolph.

GoBobs

10-21-2008, 08:57 AM

Big Lex is untouchable

Not to be the wrong way but there is nobody on the warriors that would help us

Here is the trade we should be trying to make

Carroll, Dudley and Davidson for Marcus Camby and the draft pick we owe the clips
or
Nazr, Dudley and Davidson for Marcus Camby and the pick back

I would love to do Felton, Carroll, Nzar, Dudley, plus a pick for Camby and Baron Davis but the salries won't work

Slam

10-21-2008, 09:00 AM

You make Harrington so good, you must be CRAZY for trying to pimp him to us.

You should just keep him because he is so wonderful................even though we all know he is a bum.

spectre

10-21-2008, 06:02 PM

Williams falls out of coach Nelson's favor (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/21/SPGG13L4BJ.DTL)

If the rise of DeMarcus Nelson is the Warriors' biggest surprise of training camp, then the fall of Marcus Williams is their biggest disappointment.

Williams was assumed to be the front-runner for starting point-guard duties once Monta Ellis was injured, but his slow grasp of the Warriors' offense - coupled with his lack of defense and speed - has him buried on the depth chart.
"I expected more, and we haven't seen it yet, and it's getting late," coach Don Nelson said Monday.

But Williams has had trouble learning the offense and spacing, and his conditioning is still not up to par. It hasn't helped that he is a liability on defense, where Nelson has made his mark.

"The offense is a lot more different than I thought it was going to be," said Williams, a former first-round pick. "From what I thought, it's a lot more complicated, and in order for stuff to work, the guard has to be vocal, get everyone in order.

LB would kill this guy.

Warrior 4 Life85

10-30-2008, 09:23 PM

changed up a tad, you cats get more in this new deal. Note that Al Harrington and Marcus Williams don't fit in our system well, doesn't mean they are bad players. the following is what I posted on a warriors fan site (aka I'm not talking to bobcats fans).
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just realized we can trade Williams, just can't trade him back to the nets. dealing a true PG like MW would help this trade come through

note this is for after Monta comes back and the coaches realize that he isn't going to make it as a PG. also gives time for Morrison to prove his leg isn't completely busted and he can still produce.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190~308~3039~3410~2753~3016&teams=30~30~30~9~9~9&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190%7E308%7E3039%7E3410%7E275 3%7E3016&teams=30%7E30%7E30%7E9%7E9%7E9&te=&cash=)

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3931.jpg Raymond Felton

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/4131.jpg Adam Morrison he cut his hair!
maybe (if we can get him)
-Alexis Ajinca

for

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3268.jpg Al Harrington

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates_impact/2007/10/medium_marcus.jpg Marcus Williams

Next Years First Round Draft Pick
and/or
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/4296.jpg Marco Belinelli and/or Richard Hendrix

new line up:
PG: Raymond Felton/CJ Watson/DeMarcus Nelson
SG: Monta Ellis/Kelenna Azubuike/Marco Belinelli/Anthony Morrow
SF: Corey Maggette or Stephen Jackson/Adam Morrison
PF: Brandan Wright/Anthony Randolph/Richard Hendrix
C: Andris Biedrins/Ronnie Turiaf/Alexis Ajinça (maybe)

If though, if crash gets injured maybe we could deal jackson to you cats fans? just put up 26pts and 5 ast on his opening night.

reason for the move:
- losing Al and gaining Felton would drop our avg age to 22. we don't need any more projects / Rookies! I'd give up both our 1st and 2nd round draft picks to force this deal.
- Baron's gone. Felton is a great PG. not as good as Baron for sure, but better than Monta I'm sure. any one care to disagree?
- Chad Ford of espn.com wrote:
Raymond Felton, Bobcats
The Bobcats surprised a lot of people when they drafted point guard D.J. Augustin in the lottery. But the Bobcats had been quietly shopping Felton ever since Larry Brown took over as coach.

While neither Augustin nor Felton has taken over this preseason, the word out of Charlotte is that Augustin, sooner or later, is going to be the point guard in Charlotte. With Felton heading into restricted free agency next summer, look for the Bobcats to get something in return while they can. Felton may never be a superstar, but he's a starting point guard, and those aren't always easy to come by.

BRNC

10-30-2008, 10:32 PM

Warrior 4 Life85

10-31-2008, 12:42 AM

Neither team will make that trade...as in I doubt that the Warriors will give that trade to the Bobcats...and I have doubt that the Bobcats would make the trade since Harringtons' agent is pushing him to get traded to opt out of the final year...what would be the motivation to rent him for a year (not saying he is bad but definitely not the rebounder we need at the 4).

- listened to your game tonight. sucks about the loss. we lost one too if it makes you guys feel any better

- lets compare starting PFs:
*Al Harrington had, what most fans thought, was a bad night - 7 boards, 13 points, 3 steals and 3 assists
*Sean May - 2 points, 3 boards, 0 assist, 0 Steals

hmm......

- If anything your argument should be "we don't want him because he's overpaid." why would he opt out of another 10Mill year in 09-10 if he's worth way-less on the free market? he's not going to opt out no matter where he is at the end of this season.

- I'm convinced you'll see his numbers move up as the season progresses. It's not just me saying this, even our coach admitted Al's talent was wasted last year.

- Harrington will be gone after the 09-10 season. the summer of 2010 you can take his fat salary off the books and put it towards an all-star.

- you guys have been trying to ship Felton for a PF, we have been trying to ship Harrington for a PG we desperately need. Felton isn't the greatest PG in the world, and Harrington is far from the best PF in the league. it might happen man.

- lastly like I said before - Harrington and Marcus are good players. they just don't fit in our lineup. Richard Hendrix is our 2nd round draft pick, he's not a huge scorer but is physically ready NBA-ready body.

dav7z

10-31-2008, 08:39 AM

I really think Portland and Charlotte need to work toghter to try and iron out a deal.
Felton would fit your system perfect in the run and gun. Hes not at his best when the game slows down. We need a p/f in the worst way.As you need a point.
I don't know whitch team is holding up talks. Both teams have despret needs at respected positions.

BRNC

10-31-2008, 11:49 AM

According to two reports I read yesterday Fegan is pushing Harrington for a trade since he fears playing time might effect Harringtons numbers this year....Fegan wants his numbers up so Harrington can opt out of his contract for more money...that is what the reports said so again...what is the motivation for the Bobcats to rent Harrington for one year?

A one year rental also weakens us at the PG position with a rookie (that is not as good as Ray at this point) having to start...

This is a link to the SI article that was pretty clear on why Harrington wants a trade...I don't think a one year rental is worth Ray at this point...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/marty_burns/10/30/harrington.warriors/?eref=sircrc