2009 NBA Draft

[GoBobs]

We likely won't have a pick due to the deal that got us AA, but if we do somehow get a pick who do you want. There are several players that intrest me but the guys that stands out is T-Rex because he seems very underrated by nba people.

[dnbman]

We likely won't have a pick due to the deal that got us AA, but if we do somehow get a pick who do you want. There are several players that intrest me but the guys that stands out is T-Rex because he seems very underrated by nba people.

Actually, if we don't make the playoffs, I think we keep our pick. It's protected, with declining protection, for the next few seasons. If we don't make significant process, we'll still have a good pick.

[tamburello]

We will keep it for 2009 if we don't make playoffs, but please don't begin discussing next draft now. It's way too early, please.

[jpf_v2.0]

Wow. I haven't even started thinking about the NBA draft, I'm still getting started on the NFL draft.

[SWedd523]

I say we tank it like the Celtics did in (I think 2007) to get Oden. Oh wait....:rolleyes:


Just think, we can tank and get the first pick and get Blake Griffen (our savior) and have our missing piece!

And if that doesn't work, we can just implode the team and trade for 3 All Stars and win the Championship!



Either way, we're in a great position guys:biggrin:

[dnbman]

It's no doubt way to early to talk about the draft. However, I'd love to start hearing thoughts on NCAA bigs as the season goes on. I don't really watch NCAA basketball, but I do like to watch prospects. If there are any suggestions on PFs that might be promising (aside from Griffin) please pass them along.

[Keetch]

We won't need a PF by next year DNBman; remember we drafted him this year!

Okay nuther opposites post, crap I need to stop doing that.

[coordinator0]

Who knows what the Bobcats will look like by the end of this season. The only things that I am reasonably sure about are Augustine, Ajinca, Okafor, and Dudley will be there when the '09 draft rolls around. The others may or may not be there. I am really interested in how this whole thing plays out. With LB at the helm, anythings possible although its about 50/50 for better or worse.

[jdub28]

There's Hasheem Thabeet from UCONN who Im sure Meka has talked to, Olgivy from Vandy, Heytvelt (sp?) from Gonzaga, Dozier from Memphis, and then all the Internationals and Freshmen

I personally think we should do everything we can to get psycho T, 6-9 230 isnt great nba pf size, especially when Emeka is acroos the lane, but his effort reminds me so much of crash, he wont fizzle out like May, he can step out and stretch the floor for our slashers, if nothing else I think he will at least be a great NBA rebounder.

Brown forbid that we take Ellington, Lawson, or Green, but I think Hansboro would be perfect for us

[SWedd523]

There's Hasheem Thabeet from UCONN who Im sure Meka has talked to, Olgivy from Vandy, Heytvelt (sp?) from Gonzaga, Dozier from Memphis, and then all the Internationals and Freshmen

I personally think we should do everything we can to get psycho T, 6-9 230 isnt great nba pf size, especially when Emeka is acroos the lane, but his effort reminds me so much of crash, he wont fizzle out like May, he can step out and stretch the floor for our slashers, if nothing else I think he will at least be a great NBA rebounder.

Brown forbid that we take Ellington, Lawson, or Green, but I think Hansboro would be perfect for us

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Hansbrough has gotten this far mainly due to his effort and work ethic. But the NBA is a whole 'nother beast. He doesn't really have the natural skills that would make for a successful NBA player.

Its sad... The NBA needs more character/hard working guys like him to gain some respectability back in the eyes of the public

[swetooth9]

There's Hasheem Thabeet from UCONN who Im sure Meka has talked to, Olgivy from Vandy, Heytvelt (sp?) from Gonzaga, Dozier from Memphis, and then all the Internationals and Freshmen

I personally think we should do everything we can to get psycho T, 6-9 230 isnt great nba pf size, especially when Emeka is acroos the lane, but his effort reminds me so much of crash, he wont fizzle out like May, he can step out and stretch the floor for our slashers, if nothing else I think he will at least be a great NBA rebounder.

Brown forbid that we take Ellington, Lawson, or Green, but I think Hansboro would be perfect for us

i agree that he has the hustle and effort of crash, but he's missing one big thing that crash has: Athleticism

that's huge in the nba, so i'm gonna have to say no to the hansbrough idea (even though he's great in college and he's on my school's team)

[QCHeel]

Gotta go with a BJ Mullens or Blake Griffin type. We've got to have a lowpost guy who is LONG, and can put the ball in the basket and rebound.

We could honestly take 2 guys like that (one and then a Patrick Patterson). We desperately need guys who can rebound and score in traffic.

So yes, again we need two first rounders. An intriguing pick will be watching Stephen Curry develop as a PG this year. He's small, but if he can prove himself as having an NBA level handle, he'd be a great guy off the bench that can hit from anywhere on the court.

Pick and roll with Curry and Mullens. Very nice.

[docend24]

I would like not taking another UNC player until we make play offs. None of them paned out for us. Felton still can of course.

[Slam]

There has been some really impressive games by some guys already.

Thabeet had a 23/17 with 5 blocks game.
Griffin has back to back games of 24/18 and 20/19 and in one game had 6 steals
Harden had a game of 24/3/10 with 3 steals to kick things off
Evans is averaging 19/6/4 and 3 steals a game after 2
Curry has been out of his mind averaging 31/3/10 and 6 steals a game on out standing percentages and only 2.5 turn overs a game!!

[G-Force for MVP]

there is only one guy to get and his name is hasheem thabeet. I go to uconn i see him play all his games. the bobcats need him badly

[Slam]

there is only one guy to get and his name is hasheem thabeet. I go to uconn i see him play all his games. the bobcats need him badly
Blake Griffin is the guy - but if we were in a postion to draft Thabeet and had a taker for EO50's contract it would be worth looking into.

[SWedd523]

Blake Griffin is the guy - but if we were in a postion to draft Thabeet and had a taker for EO50's contract it would be worth looking into.

As far as I'm concerned, Blake Griffin is our savior. If we fall back into the lottery this year, I say we do everything possible to take Blake. He's just like Beasley but BIGGER.

Dude is a monster and has a terrific drive and great BBIQ. I WANT GRIFFIN.

Thabeet will be a tremendous Center too. If there is some way we can pull a Sonics and somehow draft both of them then we'll definitely be a contender for MANY years to come.

[SWedd523]

Steph Curry dropped 44 and my boy Blake went for 25 and 21

[Slam]

Did you watch the game Swedd? Griffin only had 4 shot attempts at the half and Curry missed the final 6 mins of the 1st half with foul trouble yet they both still lit it up!!

Griffin is a beast. I think that Beasley is better in the post (more finesse) but Griffin is a lot more powerful and athletic. They were saying last night he is a lot like Amare - which I can see. He doesn't have the mid range face up game like Amare, but he sure does have the power!!

[Muttley]

Did you watch the game Swedd? Griffin only had 4 shot attempts at the half and Curry missed the final 6 mins of the 1st half with foul trouble yet they both still lit it up!!

Griffin is a beast. I think that Beasley is better in the post (more finesse) but Griffin is a lot more powerful and athletic. They were saying last night he is a lot like Amare - which I can see. He doesn't have the mid range face up game like Amare, but he sure does have the power!!

Power, you say? That doesn't sound like anything the Bobcats could use... wait, nevermind.

[SWedd523]

Did you watch the game Swedd? Griffin only had 4 shot attempts at the half and Curry missed the final 6 mins of the 1st half with foul trouble yet they both still lit it up!!

Griffin is a beast. I think that Beasley is better in the post (more finesse) but Griffin is a lot more powerful and athletic. They were saying last night he is a lot like Amare - which I can see. He doesn't have the mid range face up game like Amare, but he sure does have the power!!

No, unfortunately.... everything I heard, that game was great!

Steph Curry is undoubtedly one of my favorite players now. He wasn't even recruited because he wasn't big enough to play. Now he's making them all look bad because he pushes himself so hard that he's turned into the best scorer in the country. I'd love for him to be on the 'cats but I don't see how he would fit in our team unless we completely rebuilt.

Blake Griffin is clearly the best player in the country. If we're in the lottery we better do anything and everything to get this guy.

As for that Amare comment, I remember when Amare was nothing but a freak athlete and didn't have a shot. But he had that micro-fracture surgery and did nothing but shoot jumpers the whole time and he eventually developed a solid mid range game. Griffin definitely has the drive to get better as he was training with Frank Matrisciano. He's really talented and can easily develop an outside game to go with his power game.

[dvdbumpus]

All I can do is pray that we get the #1 pick. If we get the #2 pick, we've got our other savior in Hasheem Thabeet. Just please give me one of them! PLEASE!

[ohara831]

All I can do is pray that we get the #1 pick. If we get the #2 pick, we've got our other savior in Hasheem Thabeet. Just please give me one of them! PLEASE!


I'd crap my britches if we took Thabeet over Blake Griffin. That would be horrible. Play Okafor as a smallish Center and have a powerful PF, much better than having Thabeet at Center and Okafor at PF.

[Dead_Real]

Does Griffin remind anyone else of Boozer during his Duke days? he'll be the first pick easily if his knees holds up

[SWedd523]

Does Griffin remind anyone else of Boozer during his Duke days? he'll be the first pick easily if his knees holds up

Kind of but not really. Boozer played in more of a team system so his stats weren't as gaudy and Griffin's will be this year. I also think Griffin is more athletic than Boozer was.

Nobody thought Boozer was going to be great when he went to the League. He sort of blew up once he got there and was a surprise to a lot of people. Imagine if he would've stayed in Cleveland with LeBron.....:hypo:

[Slam]

I'd crap my britches if we took Thabeet over Blake Griffin. That would be horrible. Play Okafor as a smallish Center and have a powerful PF, much better than having Thabeet at Center and Okafor at PF.
Draft Thabeet then trade EO50 by the all star break of next season if Thabeet is working out?

[Slam]

Does Griffin remind anyone else of Boozer during his Duke days? he'll be the first pick easily if his knees holds up
I never saw Boozer play at Duke but Blake reminds me more and more of Amare every time I see him. He has that raw power and athletic ability. If he can add a face up mid range J then, teamed with his handles and speed, he'll be down right dangerous.

Like Amare once was, Blake will never be a shot blocker (although Amare has improved out of site there) and Blake might never be the ft shooter Amare is.

All is all though, he looks like a stud.


Greg Monroe is another guy I can't wait to see. He sounds like something between Andray Blatche and Chris Bosh.

[SWedd523]

I never saw Boozer play at Duke but Blake reminds me more and more of Amare every time I see him. He has that raw power and athletic ability. If he can add a face up mid range J then, teamed with his handles and speed, he'll be down right dangerous.

Like Amare once was, Blake will never be a shot blocker (although Amare has improved out of site there) and Blake might never be the ft shooter Amare is.

All is all though, he looks like a stud.


Greg Monroe is another guy I can't wait to see. He sounds like something between Andray Blatche and Chris Bosh.

Last night, Griffin led OU in: points(35), rebounds(21), assists(5), and steals(3). He also added a block.



Monroe is the guy at Georgetown right? He was the #1 ranked high schooler for awhile, then kind of dropped off his senior year and dropped to 5th or something. I heard he was a man though.

[Slam]

Monroe is the guy at Georgetown right? He was the #1 ranked high schooler for awhile, then kind of dropped off his senior year and dropped to 5th or something. I heard he was a man though.
Ya, him. He's put on something like 40lbs since high school and measures in at a very respectful 6'11" and around 250lb. From what I've read he's a really smart player who can play the high post, has range on his J, can board, block and pass plus has some handles.

Sort of sounds like Lex if Lex was 50lbs heavier!!

Seems like just the sort of thing we need. Only problem is that from what I have read, he's not a "killer" and we really need a killer.

Either way, I really can't wait to see him play (hope to catch GT's game next Sat).

[SWedd523]

Ya, him. He's put on something like 40lbs since high school and measures in at a very respectful 6'11" and around 250lb. From what I've read he's a really smart player who can play the high post, has range on his J, can board, block and pass plus has some handles.

Sort of sounds like Lex if Lex was 50lbs heavier!!

Seems like just the sort of thing we need. Only problem is that from what I have read, he's not a "killer" and we really need a killer.

Either way, I really can't wait to see him play (hope to catch GT's game next Sat).

So basically a poor man's KG, but bigger? He has a pretty respectable 17/8 so far btw

[Slam]

So basically a poor man's KG, but bigger? He has a pretty respectable 17/8 so far btw
Maybe, but like I said, I've read that he not a killer - something that KG is for sure.

I'm watching James Harden at the moment from Arizona State. An impressive 2 man.

[SWedd523]

Maybe, but like I said, I've read that he not a killer - something that KG is for sure.

I'm watching James Harden at the moment from Arizona State. An impressive 2 man.
That kind of sucks. I heard he was talented, but if he doesn't have that same edge that Griffin does then he's not what I want.

Harden on the other hand really turned into a monster at the latter part of last year. If he can keep it up he'll be at the top of the draft

[Slam]

So over the past week I was questioning if Griffin had an offensive post game or if he was just all athlete and power.

I watched him play last night against UAB where he had a lazy 32/15/3 on 11-14 shooting from the floor.

Now of that 11-14, I saw some nice little post ups, some awesome quickly executed spin moves as well as the usual power and strength moves.

So, what I'm saying is, maybe I haven't been giving his back to the basket game the credit is deserves??

(BTW - he did have 6 turn overs as well, but what's a few turn overs here and there!!)

[SWedd523]

So over the past week I was questioning if Griffin had an offensive post game or if he was just all athlete and power.

I watched him play last night against UAB where he had a lazy 32/15/3 on 11-14 shooting from the floor.

Now of that 11-14, I saw some nice little post ups, some awesome quickly executed spin moves as well as the usual power and strength moves.

So, what I'm saying is, maybe I haven't been giving his back to the basket game the credit is deserves??

(BTW - he did have 6 turn overs as well, but what's a few turn overs here and there!!)

Griffin right now is by far the best college basketball player in the country. Glad you think higher of him now:cool:


How 'bout Psycho T dropping 34 on Notre Dame.... while he's at 75%:o

[Slam]

I've always been a fan of Griffin's. Have been for 3 years. I just didn't know how far along his post moves had progressed.

Of course, he was busting them out against a guy who was 3 inches shorter, but the moves were there none the less.

[Slam]

So I got to see Greg Monroe for the 1st time yesterday. Pretty impressive. He reminded me a lot of LMA when LMA was at Texas. Great size and awesome mobility and coordination for a kid his size.

I'm looking forward to seeing him more over the next 8 months.

[SWedd523]

So I got to see Greg Monroe for the 1st time yesterday. Pretty impressive. He reminded me a lot of LMA when LMA was at Texas. Great size and awesome mobility and coordination for a kid his size.

I'm looking forward to seeing him more over the next 8 months.
If only he was a few inches taller...

[Slam]

If only he was a few inches taller...
Greg Monroe? He's listed as 6'11" and around 250lb?

[SWedd523]

Greg Monroe? He's listed as 6'11" and around 250lb?
I know lol

If he was a legitimate 7 footer, then I would be more excited about him

[Slam]

He's only 18 or 19 and 1 inch off 7 foot. Give the kid a break!!

;)

Besides, Griffin is much shorter at 6'8"-6'10" and older.

[SWedd523]

He's only 18 or 19 and 1 inch off 7 foot. Give the kid a break!!

;)

Besides, Griffin is much shorter at 6'8"-6'10" and older.
But I really look at Griffin as a poor man's Amare, super athletic and out of control (in a good way)

From what I've seen of Monroe, he has a smooth, polished post game that he can extend if he needs to.. Maybe a poor man's Dream, or Andrew Bynum. That's why I'd be more comfortable if he was 7'1'' or 7'2''

Nitpicking.. I know;)

[SWedd523]

p.s. If I remember correctly, Blake Griffin already has three (3) 20 rebound games this season. Tim Duncan has the record with 5... ALL SEASON. Blake is averaging 19 rebounds so far. Safe to say he'll smash ole Timmy's record?:D

[ohara831]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54157/20080825/ous_griffin_cited_for_public_urination/

If he was involved in theft, beating his girlfriend, drugs, etc... I'd worry. But what guy amongst us has not had to pee outside in the bushes? I agree that it was stupid not to be aware there was a cop around, but this doesn't worry me as far as character issues.

[SWedd523]

if anything, it shows his GOOD character.


Griffin told the officer he was waiting for a friend and couldn't leave the area to find a bathroom.

Just being a good friend, no matter what!

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-081204

Here is some good insight from Chad Ford on who's doing well and who is regressing or not getting any better.

[dnbman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-081204

Here is some good insight from Chad Ford on who's doing well and who is regressing or not getting any better.

Yeah, that was article was very comforting just knowing there are some quality bigs available this year. I was afraid we were headed for a guard heavy draft.

[Slam]

Jordan Hill from Arizona will probably be in our drafting range.

He reminds me a lot of Chris Wilcox.

[SWedd523]

Jordan Hill from Arizona will probably be in our drafting range.

He reminds me a lot of Chris Wilcox.
I heard he was a little soft..

[x2pacalypse]

does anybody else like thabeet? the only thing is he wouldn't pair well at all with okafor since they have similar play style, crazy defense and other than that pretty raw

[SWedd523]

does anybody else like thabeet? the only thing is he wouldn't pair well at all with okafor since they have similar play style, crazy defense and other than that pretty raw
I LOVE Thabeet. Dude is 7'12'' and plenty athletic to guard the quicker guys. He doesn't have much of an offensive game but I'd look past it if he fell into our laps and Griffin wasn't on the board:cool:

[Slam]

does anybody else like thabeet? the only thing is he wouldn't pair well at all with okafor since they have similar play style, crazy defense and other than that pretty raw
He has the same basketball IQ as a house brick.

[swetooth9]

griffin is definitely the guy to get in this draft...inside scoring please!

if not, then i'd get james harden..he's the next manu ginobili...a GUARD at 6 foot 5 that shoots 58% is unheard of (besides tony parker and maybe nash)...he's so efficient..he has a jumper so it's not because he always drives (which isn't a bad thing)

dude takes like 5 3's a game and makes roughly half of them. scores points, gets rebounds, assists, everything...

if we can't land griffin, i'm hoping we can get harden

or we can just grab the best player available and try and trade for a better big man

[JamieMcNeill]

does anybody else like thabeet? the only thing is he wouldn't pair well at all with okafor since they have similar play style, crazy defense and other than that pretty raw

Thabeet is a taller Mek

Defense is amazing

offense.. ehhh not so much

though i do give mek his props for playing great Offense so far

[Slam]

griffin is definitely the guy to get in this draft...inside scoring please!

if not, then i'd get james harden..he's the next manu ginobili...a GUARD at 6 foot 5 that shoots 58% is unheard of (besides tony parker and maybe nash)...he's so efficient..he has a jumper so it's not because he always drives (which isn't a bad thing)

dude takes like 5 3's a game and makes roughly half of them. scores points, gets rebounds, assists, everything...

if we can't land griffin, i'm hoping we can get harden

or we can just grab the best player available and try and trade for a better big man
He reminds me a lot of Josh Howard.

[ALong13]

I think the Diaw trades changes how we draft, I think we look for a SG or SF now...

I think James Harden could be a good addition

[Muttley]

I think the Diaw trades changes how we draft, I think we look for a SG or SF now...

I think James Harden could be a good addition
Because of the more evenly rostered team we have now I'd say it's more of a reason to go BPA, and not focus on on position. Although, a game-changing SG or SF would definitely be nice to have.

[Slam]

I've watched Harden about 4 times and haven't been that impressed. I mean, he looked ok, but I wasn't blown away.

I watched Tyreke Evans for the 1st time yesterday and kind of liked him. He seemed more dynamic and more the NBA type player.

One thing is for sure, with recent events being what they have been I'll be keeping a closer eye on guys like Harden, Evans and DeRozen now more than ever because we seriously lack a scoring punch and someone dynamic at the 2 spot.

[SWedd523]

I've watched Harden about 4 times and haven't been that impressed. I mean, he looked ok, but I wasn't blown away.

I watched Tyreke Evans for the 1st time yesterday and kind of liked him. He seemed more dynamic and more the NBA type player.

One thing is for sure, with recent events being what they have been I'll be keeping a closer eye on guys like Harden, Evans and DeRozen now more than ever because we seriously lack a scoring punch and someone dynamic at the 2 spot.
James Harden IS averaging 26 points a game... I heard DeRozan hasn't looked anything like he was meant to. I remember he was supposed to be OJ Mayo but more athletic...

How about Steph Curry? I know he's tiny but dude is a hard worker and can make just about any shot in the book. My only problem with him is that if we did get him, he'd be paired with an undersized DJ.

[Slam]

Curry tends to chuck a little for my liking and I think his size is going to be a real problem at the NBA level. For a SG to be that undersized and a scorer, you have something else going for you - like blistering speed or freakish athletic ability for eg. He doesn't have either of those.

If he can really work on his PG skill and go into the draft as a PG rather than a SG, then it's a totally different story though.

DeRozen has been under impressive so far (I've only seen him twice but will watch him tomorrow night for the 3rd time) but he is very young. Don't know if he has ever been compared to OJ. The only time they are mentioned is that DeRozen was meant to fill the shoes left by Mayo at USC, but they are totally different players.

Harden is a funny one. He gets his for sure, but there is nothing jaw dropping about what he does. He's actually pretty sluggish on the court, isn't explosive, isn't high intensity, isn't at all dynamic.

He reminds be a little bit of a cross between Derrick Byars and Josh Howard but more Byars than Howard.

[SWedd523]

Sounds about right, Harden was actually a chubby dude in high school. They said he had all this potential but he was just not an athlete. Then he grew and turned out to be great. That could explain his lack of athleticism? He's definitely one of those guys who won't be explosive or whatever, but he seems to look a lot like Glen Rice to me. Kinda thick... but can put up some points. He DOES have size. But we have plenty of guys that don't have athleticism.

I think we're in agreement about Curry. It sucks he's undersized because this guy is pure points. I DO think his shot is quick enough to be able to get it off on the NBA level. I just don't want two liabilities on the defensive end

[JamieMcNeill]

Sounds about right, Harden was actually a chubby dude in high school. They said he had all this potential but he was just not an athlete. Then he grew and turned out to be great. That could explain his lack of athleticism? He's definitely one of those guys who won't be explosive or whatever, but he seems to look a lot like Glen Rice to me. Kinda thick... but can put up some points. He DOES have size. But we have plenty of guys that don't have athleticism.

I think we're in agreement about Curry. It sucks he's undersized because this guy is pure points. I DO think his shot is quick enough to be able to get it off on the NBA level. I just don't want two liabilities on the defensive end

Just way to risky to think about putting DJ and Curry in a backcourt.
that is the definition of smallball.
Augustin
Curry
Wallace
Diaw
Mek

[coordinator0]

I really, really like James Harden out of Arizona. There are numerous comparisons of him to Brandon Roy, and I can see why. He has the ability to defend multiple positions, can shoot from outside, and can create for other players. He is a little smaller than Roy (6'5 210ish) but that seems to be more of a SG than what Roy is, a SG/SF. He's likely to go top 5 if he comes out, so we may or may not have a chance at getting him. I would say that we have a good shot as of right now.

[Slam]

IMO Harden is slower and not nearly as dynamic as Roy. I mean, watching Roy as a Husky you could see how powerful and explosive he was. Harden is not the athlete Roy is and is a lot more deliberate when he plays. Not at all breath taking like Roy was.

High end Harden is more a Paul Pierce type than a Brandon Roy type. I think he'll end up being something like a Josh Howard type IMO.

Tyreke Evans is the guy I'm zeroing in on at the moment. I think he has some real potential and has a scorers mentality. I've only seen him the 1 time though. Need to see him a lot more.

He reminds me a LOT more of Roy than Harden does.

[G-Force for MVP]

do we even have a draft pick?

[Slam]

do we even have a draft pick?
We do if we stay in the lottery. If we make the playoffs, our 1st round pick does to the Nuggets.

We also have the Hornets 2nd round pick (I think)

[dnbman]

I think we definitely go BPA unless it's a point guard. We're finally in a position where we have some good options at all of the positions. (with the exception of possibly SG, but the situation is serviceable.)

I'm a lot more excited about this upcoming draft, assuming things stay the same. We won't have to reach for a big.

Although, MAN, we are due for a 1st pick!

[dnbman]

We do if we stay in the lottery. If we make the playoffs, our 1st round pick does to the Nuggets.

We also have the Hornets 2nd round pick (I think)

OR is it Oklahoma's? (Weaver trade.)

[JamieMcNeill]

IMO Harden is slower and not nearly as dynamic as Roy. I mean, watching Roy as a Husky you could see how powerful and explosive he was. Harden is not the athlete Roy is and is a lot more deliberate when he plays. Not at all breath taking like Roy was.

High end Harden is more a Paul Pierce type than a Brandon Roy type. I think he'll end up being something like a Josh Howard type IMO.

Tyreke Evans is the guy I'm zeroing in on at the moment. I think he has some real potential and has a scorers mentality. I've only seen him the 1 time though. Need to see him a lot more.

He reminds me a LOT more of Roy than Harden does.


Ok i just said on the Curry petition thread i thought i liked Evans.
scratch that. I know i like this kid. i just watched some vids of him and looked at his stats along with reading analysis of him.
seriously he has been the bright spot on an underachieving memphis team.
He hasnt been held to single digits yet this year and the only weakness ive seen so far is hes too willing to jack up a three in a bad situation. hence the 20% 3 shooting percentage. Not to mention his best game came against not one of the terrible teams memphis starts off with but the g-town hoyas. but forrealz 16 points 4 assists 6 rebounds and almost 3 steals. and heres the killer. so far hes still hovering around the 15th pick, making him well within our pick range :D

[ALong13]

I'm not a big fan of Curry as a NBA player IMO...I like Harden, but I like DeRozan from USC and I also like Chase Budinger from West Virignia...Budinger isn't a lottery pick right now, but I think he'll be a good Scorer as well as DeRozan...

I we go PF I really like Jordan Hill from Arizona...Good scorer, good rebounder, and good defender, 60% FG Shooter

[Dead_Real]

Tyreke Evans has a pro game that might translate better in the NBA than college ala Mayo if we aren't in a position to take B. Griffin I'd take Evans without thinking twice.

[JamieMcNeill]

Tyreke Evans has a pro game that might translate better in the NBA than college ala Mayo if we aren't in a position to take B. Griffin I'd take Evans without thinking twice.

Evans is more athletic than harden
shoots better than Derozan
and drives better than all

[Slam]

Tyreke Evans has a pro game that might translate better in the NBA than college ala Mayo if we aren't in a position to take B. Griffin I'd take Evans without thinking twice.
I've been thinking the same thing EB. In the one game I saw him play he looked pretty good, but I couldn't help but feel that with the way he can slice through the key using his power step and change of direction that the open lanes of the big show would suit him a lot more.

He's got to work on that 3pt shot though.

Might help if his shooting form didn't mirror like Ronnie Brewer!!

He's playing tonight, not sure if it is on TV or not though?

[Slam]

Check out the body on the kid!!

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/fullcourtpress;_ylt=AnrGgoDJwAXkUWPrF.edpWbevbYF

Super long arms, really good shape, pure muscle.

[JamieMcNeill]

Check out the body on the kid!!

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/fullcourtpress;_ylt=AnrGgoDJwAXkUWPrF.edpWbevbYF

Super long arms, really good shape, pure muscle.

only negative i see is that is a long release.

and i couldnt understand a word he said

[Dead_Real]

Check out the body on the kid!!

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/fullcourtpress;_ylt=AnrGgoDJwAXkUWPrF.edpWbevbYF

Super long arms, really good shape, pure muscle.

Yep I was watching another interview were he was saying although he's a good shooter he LOVES to attack the basket because he's not afraid of contact when he balls you know LB would love than mentality. I hope as the college season he'll work on his form & gaining more of a killer instinct.

To Jamie As I said before a 6"6 guard who can score + has a yoyo type of handle would be a welcomed change in Charlotte Swish was my favorite Cat but his game lacked the latter.

Just checked we'll be able to watch him again this Saturday on ESPN.

[JamieMcNeill]

Yep I was watching another interview were he was saying although he's a good shooter he LOVES to attack the basket because he's not afraid of contact when he balls you know LB would love than mentality. I hope as the college season he'll work on his form & gaining more of a killer instinct.

To Jamie As I said before a 6"6 guard who can score + has a yoyo type of handle would be a welcomed change in Charlotte Swish was my favorite Cat but his game lacked the latter.

Just checked we'll be able to watch him again this Saturday on ESPN.

yea. if he continues to progress he could be exactly what we need. and since memphis plays in conference usa he has played decent nonconference opponents and done pretty well. coach calipari said it best he can play point (the dribbling, dribble drive, and distribution skills) or the 2(pure shooter and scorer).

[docend24]

We do if we stay in the lottery. If we make the playoffs, our 1st round pick does to the Nuggets.

We also have the Hornets 2nd round pick (I think)http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7584
2nd from Hornets and 2nd from Nets

[Slam]

only negative i see is that is a long release.
Agreed. It seems pretty blockable because he shoots it from his shoulder - but he does shoot it with a high arc and release point so that might help?

Heck, if Chil and Matrix can get a shot off in the NBA theres still hope for this kid!

[coordinator0]

What does everybody think of Greg Monroe? From what I've seen this guy is a monster and would be a nice compliment to Ajinca/Okafor in the future. Thoughts?

[polarcat]

after watching a few duke games this year, gerald henderson keeps popping up. i don't know too much about him, but he had a pretty sweet game against unc-a the other night. i wonder if he's lottery material?

[JamieMcNeill]

after watching a few duke games this year, gerald henderson keeps popping up. i don't know too much about him, but he had a pretty sweet game against unc-a the other night. i wonder if he's lottery material?
constant underachiever as far as talent goes.
i really dont think hes lottery material

[Slam]

USC take on G-Tech tonight at 10:30pm - meaning DeRozen Vs Gani Lawai.

It's on TV. Not sure about you guys, but I'll be tuning in for sure.

[krazyrumpshaker]

after watching a few duke games this year, gerald henderson keeps popping up. i don't know too much about him, but he had a pretty sweet game against unc-a the other night. i wonder if he's lottery material?

I am a Duke fan, and apart from not wanting him to leave early, i really dont know that he has proved what kind of pro he will be. He plays good defense, get decent rebounds and blocks, but is absent on the offensive end way to often. he shows flashes of what he could be, but is not aggressive or consistent on O. I would not like him to be on the Bobcats, but would welcome him back for his Sr season at Duke.

[Slam]

I am a Duke fan, and apart from not wanting him to leave early, i really dont know that he has proved what kind of pro he will be. He plays good defense, get decent rebounds and blocks, but is absent on the offensive end way to often. he shows flashes of what he could be, but is not aggressive or consistent on O. I would not like him to be on the Bobcats, but would welcome him back for his Sr season at Duke.
I don't know him and haven't seen him play, but is he a bit like Maggette?

[coordinator0]

Greg Monroe from Georgetown has become my favorite prospect at this point. 6'11 250 and can also pass very well for a big man. Anybody else thinks he's good?

[krazyrumpshaker]

I don't know him and haven't seen him play, but is he a bit like Maggette?

I would say he is similar to Maggette, except Hendo plays better D and does not have as good a jumper. They both were slashers/dunkers in college, magette just developed a better shot in the pro's, he also developed an attitude(he kinda had one in college though)

[Slam]

Greg Monroe from Georgetown has become my favorite prospect at this point. 6'11 250 and can also pass very well for a big man. Anybody else thinks he's good?
I've watched him closely and like him a lot. He reminds me a LOT of LMA when LMA was at Texas. Not sure that he has the J like LMA, but he moves just like him.

Would he be redundant with Diaw on the roster now though?

[Slam]

I would say he is similar to Maggette, except Hendo plays better D and does not have as good a jumper. They both were slashers/dunkers in college, magette just developed a better shot in the pro's, he also developed an attitude(he kinda had one in college though)
Thanks KRS. I'll try and keep an eye out for him.

How do you think he would gel with Crash? Too alike with them both being slashers?

How's his handles?

[SWedd523]

Thanks KRS. I'll try and keep an eye out for him.

How do you think he would gel with Crash? Too alike with them both being slashers?

How's his handles?
I wouldn't compare him at all to Magette. Henderson is a much more defensive-minded player than Magette is. He goes out and does a little bit of everything (a la Crash) but doesn't exactly EXCEL at anything. He's a tough ass player that's for sure. I HATE DUKE and I hate Hendo the most. In other words, I think he's a pretty damn good player.

I just think he's underachieved a bit, but that could just be because of the team ball concept Coach K employs... If we get rid of Crash and Henderson is available later in the draft, I say we pick him up

[SWedd523]

I've been messing around with the 2009 Mock Draft on ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft) and 22/25 times it has us selecting DeMar DeRozan out of USC. Twice the PF Jordan Hill From Arizona and once Hasheem Thabeet from UCONN

He's a SG measured at 6'6'' 200lb. The report on him is as follows: "On paper, DeRozan has all of the specs of an elite NBA 2-Guard. He's an amazing athlete with an NBA body, and he's very skilled on the offensive end. But he seems to lack a killer instict and great basketball IQ, and is off to a slow start at USC."

But Chad Ford has this to add: "In terms of physical ability, no freshman in the country has the résumé that DeRozan does. Head coach Tim Floyd said DeRozan is the best athlete he's ever coached, in college or the NBA. But DeRozan's lack of a killer instinct combined with some outside shooting woes (he's 0-for-13 from 3 this season) have contributed to a disappointing start.

One scout who's close to the USC program told me that DeRozan has tried his best to be the anti-O.J. Mayo. He's tried to fit in and let the veterans jell. But because Floyd has been pushing for DeRozan to do more, he's beginning to step up. If he continues to improve as the season goes on (and starts hitting some deep J's), he'll be a top-five draft pick."



We seem to need an athletic scorer... DeRozan fits the bill. The lack of killer instinct seems to be because he's deferring to his older teammates as he doesn't want to follow in the footsteps of Mayo, so I'm not worried about that as he'll learn to assert himself.

The part that worries me is his lack of outside shot and seemingly low BBIQ. We all know Larry Brown hates low IQ players so that's a scare. I think his woeful shooting derives from his hesitation to assert himself. Much like Bell, he's questioning his shot and I expect him to work his way out of that. I remember looking at the Rivals 150 and seeing his name up there and going, "Wow.. this is a future NBA player, no doubt."


So the question is, how do you guys feel about DeRozan? Could we stay pat with what we have and try and pick up this dude in the draft? Has anyone seen him play?

[Slam]

So the question is, how do you guys feel about DeRozan? Could we stay pat with what we have and try and pick up this dude in the draft? Has anyone seen him play?
I've seen him 4 of 5 times and have yet to be impressed by him. Sure he has all the tools and is a super athlete, but if he doesn't know how to use it he's no better than Gerald Green.

Taj Gibson is the best thing on the USC roster at the moment (but I've liked him for a while now so I am biased).

Tyreke Evans, for all his faults, stands out a lot more to me than DeRozan does.

In saying all that, the season is only a 1/3 of the way through and DeRozan is starting (over the last 3 games) to put up some numbers so maybe he is still finding his groove and will improve in my eyes by next July?

I don't like that he hasn't got very good handles though and I don't like that he doesn't really seems to create his own shot.

Evans has both of those traits.

[SWedd523]

I've heard Evans is starting to show a bit of a downswing in his performance. It could be because they're getting into conference (tougher) play and that's messing with him a bit, but I'm a little worried about his less than stellar past. I was watching on E:60 that he was caught driving the car that his cousin used to shoot somebody. Sure, wrong place at the wrong time but still...

He's another guy that we could use. Gibson is wayy too undersized for my liking and seems to be a little bit of a Vincent when people play rough which I don't really like. Sad to say that our two best bets outside of Griffin are two question mark guys. Oh well!:rolleyes:

[TattoodCats4life]

I think after the Diaw/Bell trade we can see that we need to draft a starter 2 (which I'm 100% all in on Curry, even a tiny as he is) and in the 2nd round maybe a SF or a C to develop... If there is one thing larry is great at, its finding talent in the second round. I know that this year's second rounder was a bit of a bust, hence we traded him for a lower teams' 2nd which will probably be 31st pick, so almost like getting the celtic's first round pick, but he pushed the issue to get Sean Singletary and that kid is awesome, albeit in DJ's shadow. All that said, I'd love to see Griffin come, but I don't want to see us sell the farm for it either. I say we grab Curry and maybe see if there is something late 1st early second that is worth getting for a backup to wallace as I'd assume Juwan isn't going to hang out and play until he's grey.

[SWedd523]

I think after the Diaw/Bell trade we can see that we need to draft a starter 2 (which I'm 100% all in on Curry, even a tiny as he is) and in the 2nd round maybe a SF or a C to develop... If there is one thing larry is great at, its finding talent in the second round. I know that this year's second rounder was a bit of a bust, hence we traded him for a lower teams' 2nd which will probably be 31st pick, so almost like getting the celtic's first round pick, but he pushed the issue to get Sean Singletary and that kid is awesome, albeit in DJ's shadow. All that said, I'd love to see Griffin come, but I don't want to see us sell the farm for it either. I say we grab Curry and maybe see if there is something late 1st early second that is worth getting for a backup to wallace as I'd assume Juwan isn't going to hang out and play until he's grey.
DJ Augustin is a big defensive liability. Steph Curry is an even bigger liability. The NBA is moving in the direction of bigger, stronger guards and more athletic big men. We'd be killed all day with two small guards who can't... guard. I'f Curry was maybe 2 inches taller and a good 50 pounds stronger then I'd be in love with this dude. But we're starting to see teams in COLLEGE put some good defensive pressure on him by using strong, athletic guards.

Where will you find a LOT of strong athletic guards? the NBA. Stephen Curry has overcome a lot of adversity to get to where he is now, but he won't be successful at the next level, even though I'd love to see it happen.

[Slam]

I've heard Evans is starting to show a bit of a downswing in his performance. It could be because they're getting into conference (tougher) play and that's messing with him a bit, but I'm a little worried about his less than stellar past. I was watching on E:60 that he was caught driving the car that his cousin used to shoot somebody. Sure, wrong place at the wrong time but still...

He's another guy that we could use. Gibson is wayy too undersized for my liking and seems to be a little bit of a Vincent when people play rough which I don't really like. Sad to say that our two best bets outside of Griffin are two question mark guys. Oh well!:rolleyes:
Evans is playing tonight at 9:00pm. You should try and check it out if you can. I'll be watching Swedd. We can have a "post" about the game after it's done and what we think of him if you like?

[Slam]

Getting my first look at Dionte Christmas as Temple take on Nova. At half time Dionte had 8pts (3/7 - 2/3 - 0/0) 5 boards and 4 assists.

Runs off a lot of screens to get his shots, gets doubled often but doesn't really panic or force things and can usually find the open man when he attracts a lot of the defenses attention.

I'd like to see him attack the rim a little more. He has a pretty good 1st step and a nice cross over dribble.

He finished the game shooting the ball really poorly and ended up with 13pts (4/19 - 3/11 - 2/2) 6 boards and 6 assists.

I see a lot of Rip Hamilton in him.

Anyone else seen him and have an opinion of him?

[SWedd523]

Evans is playing tonight at 9:00pm. You should try and check it out if you can. I'll be watching Swedd. We can have a "post" about the game after it's done and what we think of him if you like?
I'd love to. What channel?

[SWedd523]

Getting my first look at Dionte Christmas as Temple take on Nova. At half time Dionte had 8pts (3/7 - 2/3 - 0/0) 5 boards and 4 assists.

Runs off a lot of screens to get his shots, gets doubled often but doesn't really panic or force things and can usually find the open man when he attracts a lot of the defenses attention.

I'd like to see him attack the rim a little more. He has a pretty good 1st step and a nice cross over dribble.

He finished the game shooting the ball really poorly and ended up with 13pts (4/19 - 3/11 - 2/2) 6 boards and 6 assists.

I see a lot of Rip Hamilton in him.

Anyone else seen him and have an opinion of him?

I actually got to see him in person at the preseason Charleston Classic tournament. All I have to say is dude is a beast. He quickly became my favorite player there aside from K.C. Rivers. I have some pretty sweet hookups through ESPN so I had media passes and got real close to him. He seems to have a lot of poise and a lot of his teammates look up to him. He played great in that tournament. I really couldn't find anything bad with his game to be honest. He probably won't be a big name first rounder, but he's definitely going to be a solid NBA prospect and would love to pick him up


He IS a little shot happy. Kind of like he doesn't want to deal with going through all the trouble of going to the hole. But he certainly has some dribbles and some size so I wouldn't think he'd have a tough time being successful doing that

[Slam]

I'd love to. What channel?
ESPN2 - just started now. You have vision?

[SWedd523]

ESPN2 - just started now. You have vision?
Nope basic cable:biggrin: I don't watch that much TV, but I did find the game. I'll post up what I think after the game


First Thoughts: He's big but doesn't really seem that strong. I'm not too confident in his shot as it seems to be slow and an odd release point, but I've only seen one offensive possession so we'll see

[Slam]

Sorry Swedd - I could have picked a better game for you to watch. This is worse than watching the Sam Vincent lead Bobcats so far!!

Both teams can't hit a shot to save their lives and the refs are whistle happy!!

(P.S. Yes, Evans has a funky looking shot. Shoots it almost from his shoulder)

[SWedd523]

Sorry Swedd - I could have picked a better game for you to watch. This is worse than watching the Sam Vincent lead Bobcats so far!!

Both teams can't hit a shot to save their lives and the refs are whistle happy!!

(P.S. Yes, Evans has a funky looking shot. Shoots it almost from his shoulder)
It's definitely ugly....:p Exactly, he brings it up high then releases a moonbeamer off his shoulder

[Slam]

What did you think Swedd? Lay it out in point form, 2 cats.


Things I like about Evans:
- I like his size. Looks like he could easily add muscle to his frame
- I like his length and his big hands
- I like his ability to drive and kick to the open shooter
- I like his D
- I like his handles (especially his cross over)
- I like that he wants to score
- I like that he can slice into the key at will

Things I don't like about Evans:
- I don't like that he forces his own shot at times
- I don't like that he has a funky looking (blockable?) jumper
- I don't like that he is a little out of control at times

I will say this - last night was the 1st time I have seen Cal play Evans full time at the point. I think he can play it, but like him a lot more at the 2. Cal has said that he is still working out where he should play Evans because he is the best point Memphis has but Cal would rather play him at the 2.

I also think that Evans style of game is much more suited to the NBA, where he can iso with space, take his guy off the dribble and create for himself and for others. I also think the clutter of the college key doesn't play to one of his biggest strengths - which is to use his quick 1st step, cross over and power hop to slice through the key. In the NBA with the key being left much more open I think that Evans will be really effective.

I'm not totally in love with the kid, but I have liked what I have seen during the 5 times I have watched him. I look forward to seeing him more over the next few months.

What did you think?

[SWedd523]

I mostly agree with what you're saying with just a few differences

The Good:
- I like the fact that he's 6'6''. He has plenty of size and won't get pushed around much at the next level
- He's doesn't suffer from SAS (short arm syndrome) so he could be a pretty good team defender
- To elaborate on the above post, Evans had 10 Rebounds and 3 steals last night, which is a great stat line for any guard
- I like his court vision, that he's usually as tall or taller than who guards him so if he needs to kick it out to an open teammate, he can
- He had 8 assists

The Bad:
- He seems slow to me. He's big, but I'm afraid his reflexes and instincts aren't quick enough for the next level
- I'm not sure he can add much more weight to his frame and still be successful, he already seems a little slow
- He passes out a lot of the time he drives and doesn't take it all the way to the hole
- I'm not too happy about his shot, he has a slow windup and an odd release point, not what you want from a scorer at the next level
- He had 7 turnovers last night and only shot 6-15

The Ugly:
- I was more impressed with Antonio Anderson last night, he seems to have more of a killer edge than Evans does
- If I wasn't looking to Evans last night and I didn't know anybody that played, I probably wouldn't have paid much attention to him. He seems to get his in the flow of the game (you may like that, but I want a dominant scorer)
- He wouldn't be anywhere near the lottery of last years draft, so is he worthy of us taking him with a high pick?



This is, of course, the only game I've seen of him. Last night was honestly a very ugly game so maybe he performed accordingly to the game (which is NOT what you want from your best player). He's clearly not a point guard and he won't be at that position in the NBA. He does seems to be more suited for the NBA but in a team oriented game (a la the Bobcats lol). I'd compare him to Rip Hamilton if his shot wasn't so slow. I'd love to see him start to take games over when the Tigers aren't scoring much

I like him enough to think he'd be a good player for the 'Cats, but I'm a little scared by his athleticism. DeRozan has him wayyyy blown out in that region. But he seems to be a solid, old school type guy that LB would enjoy having around. I'd put him just ahead of Steph Curry with a 7.5/10 (Curry at 7/10)


I still have to see DeRozan play!

[Slam]

I'd compare him to Rip Hamilton if his shot wasn't so slow.
Interesting. I compared your boy Christmas on the previous page to Rip. I don't really see the comparison of Evans to Rip myself - but each to their own.

I see a more aggressive scoring Ronnie Brewer with Evans at this stage.

At least it's shaping up like there will be options come draft time at the 2 spot. Evans, Christmas, DeRozan, Harden, Curry, Budinger just to name a few.

At the moment I have them:

Harden
Evans
Christmas
Budinger
DeRozan
Curry

on my board.

[SWedd523]

The comparison is mainly because he's a thin guy and not a tremendous athlete, but he seems to quietly "get his" throughout the course of the game without demanding the ball that much. But I've only seen him play once so it could've just been a product of the game.

Christmas is a solid prospect no doubt, but I wouldn't put him up at the top as the majority of Temple's offense is run through him. They really don't have any offensive options beyond him so his numbers are a little bloated. I wouldn't pick him with our first pick unless he was one of the last bets, but I'd love to bring him in and have him learn under LB.

Budinger has gone AWOL on me. I haven't heard a THING about him since last year's regular season. He should've came out last year. Jordan Hill seems to be the big man on campus for them now and I would take him ahead of Chase to fill up a PF spot.


Board
1. Harden
2a. Evans
2b. DeRozan
3. Curry
4. Christmas
5. Jodie Meeks (don't sleep on him)

[Slam]

Christmas is a solid prospect no doubt, but I wouldn't put him up at the top as the majority of Temple's offense is run through him. They really don't have any offensive options beyond him so his numbers are a little bloated.
Or, you could say that he gets the full attention of the D and still manages to get it done. I was really impressed with the way he handled the attention in doubles and triples and never panicked or really forced things.

Like you with Evans though, I have only seen him the one time.

[ohara831]

For our current needs, Harden seems to me to be the man we would want. But we'd have to have a Top 3 pick to get him. He, Blake Griffin and Rubio are likely the Top 3 if Rubio is good enough to have someone pay his buyout.

[SWedd523]

For our current needs, Harden seems to me to be the man we would want. But we'd have to have a Top 3 pick to get him. He, Blake Griffin and Rubio are likely the Top 3 if Rubio is good enough to have someone pay his buyout.
Rubio will be a top 2 pick barring injury. Him and Griffin are head and shoulders above the rest of the crop this year

[Slam]

I thought the Rubio buzz had died off over the last couple of months as he has been dissapointing this season?

[Beeves]

I would love to see a guy like Mullens get drafted by the Cats considering they dont trade for a center. I watched his foot work against the loss to WV and though they got away from him he looked quick for a 7 footer. I think he has sleeper potential and can really become an impact player in the NBA.

[SWedd523]

I thought the Rubio buzz had died off over the last couple of months as he has been dissapointing this season?
injured. not disappointing. His solid Olympic run as a teenager solidified his position as a top 3 pick

[SWedd523]

I would love to see a guy like Mullens get drafted by the Cats considering they dont trade for a center. I watched his foot work against the loss to WV and though they got away from him he looked quick for a 7 footer. I think he has sleeper potential and can really become an impact player in the NBA.
Coming out of high school he was regarded as the clear best talent in his class and the possible number 1 pick in the draft. To put it simply, he hasn't fulfilled those claims.


He's a solid guy and probably needs to stay in college another year to develop, unless he turns it up in the second part of the season

[Beeves]

Coming out of high school he was regarded as the clear best talent in his class and the possible number 1 pick in the draft. To put it simply, he hasn't fulfilled those claims.

I didnt realize he was that touted. I havent been big on rivals in the past but I am starting to get into it now.

[Slam]

I would love to see a guy like Mullens get drafted by the Cats considering they dont trade for a center. I watched his foot work against the loss to WV and though they got away from him he looked quick for a 7 footer. I think he has sleeper potential and can really become an impact player in the NBA.
Evan Turner is the only Buckeye that impresses me these days.

[Slam]

injured. not disappointing. His solid Olympic run as a teenager solidified his position as a top 3 pick
Really? I don't follow Euro ball at all so I had no idea he was hurt. I thought I had read a month ago that he wasn't playing very well?

He did look pretty good in Bejing. A little like Rondo (great D, scared to shoot, looks like he is out of control when he plays but really isn't)

[Slam]

P.S Swedd: Not that I saw the game, but I think that Ty Evans went off today!

[SWedd523]

Really? I don't follow Euro ball at all so I had no idea he was hurt. I thought I had read a month ago that he wasn't playing very well?

He did look pretty good in Bejing. A little like Rondo (great D, scared to shoot, looks like he is out of control when he plays but really isn't)
Me neither, I was just looking at the draft rankings or whatever on ESPN and it said he was hurt that's why he wasn't doing what everyone was expecting. From what I've seen, I'd honestly compare him to a mixture between Steve Nash and Pistol Pete. He's THAT good to me.


I'll check on Evans real quick
27pt., 2rb., 4as., 7st., 1bl. against NorthEASTern. He better put up good numbers lol

[Slam]

The Buckeyes and Evan Turner are playing at 12 noon on Sat. I'll be tuning in to watch Turner hock his wares and will report back during and after the game.

[JamieMcNeill]

Me neither, I was just looking at the draft rankings or whatever on ESPN and it said he was hurt that's why he wasn't doing what everyone was expecting. From what I've seen, I'd honestly compare him to a mixture between Steve Nash and Pistol Pete. He's THAT good to me.


I'll check on Evans real quick
27pt., 2rb., 4as., 7st., 1bl. against NorthEASTern. He better put up good numbers lol

Sorry but Rubio isnt known as a scorer so i dont understand the Pistol pete comparison. hes known for his defense and passing.

[SWedd523]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090102

Good summary of all the top prospects. Blake is, of course, far and above the rest of the pack.

JamieMcNeill: He's known for more than defense and passing. He's a teenager playing in the toughest league in Europe and still scores. Interesting quote from the above link: "Rubio's performance in the Olympics convinced NBA scouts (and Team USA) that the Pistol Pete look-alike from Spain was for real."

[SWedd523]

Other notable quotes from the above link:

Blake Griffin: Griffin has been dominant on both ends of the floor and is the consensus No. 1 pick in the draft right now.

Rubio: A wrist injury sidelined him early this season, but in the past few weeks, he has gotten back into form and looks like a lock for a Top 3 pick.

James Harden: He does virtually everything well and reminds many scouts of Brandon Roy. Harden looks like one of those players who will be able to contribute immediately in the NBA

Greg Monroe: Monroe has so many tools for a big man that the Chris Webber comparisons were inevitable. He can shoot, handle the ball, pass and get up and down the floor.

Jordan Hill: his dominant play for Arizona this season has bridged the gap between potential and production -- and he still hasn't reached his ceiling.

Steph Curry: some scouts were turned off by poor showings against Purdue and West Virginia, where Curry struggled against big, athletic defenders. Some scouts feel he'll be more of a role player in the NBA like his father Dell Curry.

Cole Aldrich: His combination of size, skill and solid athleticism have a lot of scouts keeping a close eye on him.

Willie Warren: Warren ranked in the Top 25 in June, but lately he's shown he may belong in the lottery alongside more touted freshmen. No freshman in the country has been more productive.

Jarvis Varnado: The best shot-blocker in the country, Varnado's combination of length, explosive leaping ability and hustle on the defensive end has a lot of scouts interested. Think Tyrus Thomas without the attitude concerns.

Evan Turner: Turner is blessed with athleticism and is a presence on both ends of the floor -- he can play three positions at either end. He could have a Brandon Rush type of rise if he continues to produce in the second half of the season.



Discuss

[Slam]

Blake Griffin: Started off just totally dominating putting up stupid 30/20 nights. Has cooled off a bit of late, but is still putting up super 20/10 numbers. Should be a lock for the #1 pick - even this far out from the draft.

Rubio: I can't comment too much because the only time I have seen him was at the Olympics. He looked pretty good, but not franchise PG type good IMO. Of course, he's only young though.

James Harden: Reminds me of Joe Johnson - and I love Joe Johnson! I also like the idea of drafting a guy who has been in school a little longer nad has the chance to mature/learn and can contribute straight away rather than waiting on a one and done to "get it"

Greg Monroe: I started watching this kid the moment he started playing at G-Town and have been really impressed. Best thing is that the offense that G-Town runs doesn't even allow Monroe to show how seriously good he is. The only guy who has a chance of knocking Griffin out of the #1 spot IMO.

Jordan Hill: I'm reading some people comparing him to Chris Bosh. I don't see it at all. I watched him a lot in the past (I liked Marcus Williams) and he reminds me more of Chris Wilcox.

Steph Curry: Unless it's in the 2nd round or very late in the 1st, I really don't want to draft Curry. I think his size will be a real liability in the NBA - as it has been for guys like Quincy Douby.

Cole Aldrich: Don't know him.

Willie Warren: Way too shot happy for my liking.

Jarvis Varnado: Don'y know him.

Evan Turner: Saw him for the 1st time yesterday. I liked some things I saw (his ability to shoot off the dribble, his handles, his mid range J and his awesome rebounding) but didn't like some other things (mainly his lack of ability to finish with contact and lack of athletic explosiveness). I need to see him more.

Can I add one more?

Tyreke Evans: I know that people have been questioning his shot selection and turn overs, but take a look at this:


Weaknesses: Is still somewhat undersized to play off the ball His first step is lacking in explosiveness and he does not have the greatest ability to turn the corner, as a result he rarely blows by defenders and is forced into shooting tough and contested shots too often ... Seems to settle for the outside shot because it is less demanding on his body Goes through shooting slumps too frequently He has decent court vision, but lacks a floor general's mentality, he strictly looks to create for himself and only gives the ball up as a last resort His somewhat selfish approach causes him to force the issue too much, and as he gets into trouble by over-dribbling and completely stagnating the offense ... Sometimes attacks the game 1-on-5 and forgets about the team game. Must get better at keeping everyone involved and running a team … Can be too enamored with shooting the three ball and going to the basket, his mid range game is solid but can improve … Some feel that his development has slowed to an extent towards the end of his high school career …

The above wasn't written about Evans. It was actually written about OJ Mayo.

I'm not suggesting that Evans is the next Mayo, I'm just saying...................

[SWedd523]

Slam the weird thing about that quote is pretty much EXACTLY how I feel about Tyreke. When I was reading through it, I was like hey that's basically what I said in the recap of the Cincinnati game.

[Slam]

I know Swedd. The similarities - or more so the knocks early on about their games - pretty much mirror each other.

The only real difference is that Mayo has that sweet stroke, something I'm not sure Evans has.

I find their paths to be very much the same though and like Mayo, I think the NBA game will really suite Evans skill set.

I'll be very surprised if Evans isn't putting up impressive numbers (and percentages) by the end of the NCAA season.

[SWedd523]

What I really thought was amazing is how Harden was compared to Roy. If he can turn into that kind of player then I won't complain one bit if we find some way to get him in the draft, we DO need a do it all 2guard...

[Slam]

What I really thought was amazing is how Harden was compared to Roy. If he can turn into that kind of player then I won't complain one bit if we find some way to get him in the draft, we DO need a do it all 2guard...
I can't stress enough that I don't think that Roy and Harden are anything alike. The only similarity might be the maturity with which they play the game, but other than that, I don't see any similarities at all - but if they are going to base the comparison on maturity alone, then Jared Dudley is like Brandon Roy too?

Don't get me wrong, I would be very happy if we walked away on draft night with Harden, but like I keep saying, I see him more as a (low end) John Salmons/(high end) Joe Johnson player than I do Brandon Roy.

[Slam]

So I watched DeRozan again today (for the 7th time) and I have to say, I just don't see it. There isn't even one particular thing that stands out to me about him. It's not like I watch him and think "wow, he has good handles" or "wow, he is a great rebounder" or "wow, he's unstoppable going to the rack" or "wow, he's a lock down defender" or "wow, his 3pt shot is money". In fact, I think he is very average in every aspect of the game.

There's isn't a single "wow" factor that I have seen.

I know that he is meant to be some sort of amazing athlete, but apart from one baseline dunk today, I haven't seen any sign of his athletic ability once in any of the 7 games I have seen him play.

At the moment, he is very low on my SG draft board. I actually hope that he stays in school another year and doesn't declare for this draft. I think he needs it.

On a brighter note, I'm in the process of watching Harden again as AState take on Cali.

He just drove down the lane for a powerful jam, something that I haven't really seen before...............and something I hope to see a lot more of!

[ohara831]

If we did not have Diaw at the 4 and Crash at the 3, I would love Greg Monroe. If Crash is traded, and Diaw moves to 3, Monroe would be my choice. Otherwise, I like Harden.

As for DeRozan, I have seen him 2x, and not been impressed at all. That kid needs to stay in school another year. But he will see his stock stay in the Lottery range merely because of "potential" and with all that money available, I bet he declares. Sad really, because if he is not ready and is not mentally tough, coming out early can destroy his NBA future.

[coordinator0]

I have to agree with the two posta above and say the DeRozan is very overrated. He might be an amazing athlete, but his basketball skills leave a lot to be desired. There are plenty of great athletes in the NBA that can't put it together, and at this point I'd say that's what DeRozan is going to end up as. Like ohara said Monroe would be my favorite if Wallace was traded, I can't see us drafting him and putting Wallace or Diaw on the Bench.

Could Wallace potentially play the 2? I know his outside shooting leaves a lot to be desired but I think he could do it, that would open up options for us in the draft/offseason.

[SWedd523]

It sucks hearing that about DeRozan. It just seemed like he would be a great fit next to DJ:mad:

Slam, I wouldn't necessarily compare Harden's skill set to Roy's, I just think they have the same effect for their teams though I can't really explain that.

I just love how smooth and effortless his game is. How he is deceptively quick and strong and can shoot. I wouldn't really say he has a weakness except for his less explosive athleticism. But he's so smooth that it really doesn't matter. I think he's a Larry Brown type of guy too and would mesh well with the team.

Top of the heap right now for us is Blake Griffin, James Harden, and Greg Monroe. If we can't get one of those three then I say we deal our pick along with a player in order to either move up or get a starter

[Slam]

Could Wallace potentially play the 2? I know his outside shooting leaves a lot to be desired but I think he could do it, that would open up options for us in the draft/offseason.
He probably could, but like Swedd, I want that "2 way do it all" off guard that I have been craving for years.

Bring a guy in like that it will make the improvement that Diaw has helped bring out in Crash and EO50 even better.

I prefer guys to play their natural positions (EO50 = 5, Diaw = 4, Crash = 3, DJ = 1) so I'd rather find the right guy to play the 2 than try and force Crash to play there.

[SWedd523]

He probably could, but like Swedd, I want that "2 way do it all" off guard that I have been craving for years.

Bring a guy in like that it will make the improvement that Diaw has helped bring out in Crash and EO50 even better.

I prefer guys to play their natural positions (EO50 = 5, Diaw = 4, Crash = 3, DJ = 1) so I'd rather find the right guy to play the 2 than try and force Crash to play there.
Exactly. Crash is a small forward, he doesn't fit well at the guard spot to me. We need a true two guard who can come in and do everything well. He doesn't have to be great, just as long as he does everything well

[TattoodCats4life]

Crash wouldn't really "play the 2" so much as guard a 2 and play the way he plays... He isn't the defining 3 even, and between this season and last i've seen him play every position from 1 to 4. He just plays his way, which is energy... I think having a pair of 3s wouldn't kill us, it'd change things and lead to wicked mismatches...

[JamieMcNeill]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090102

Good summary of all the top prospects. Blake is, of course, far and above the rest of the pack.

JamieMcNeill: He's known for more than defense and passing. He's a teenager playing in the toughest league in Europe and still scores. Interesting quote from the above link: "Rubio's performance in the Olympics convinced NBA scouts (and Team USA) that the Pistol Pete look-alike from Spain was for real."

A. Europe is bogus. the Olympics showed more.
B. He played well in the Olympics- getting steals and assists.
C. He looks like Pete not play like him. Pete averaged 40 something points in college..
D. Editing one more thing. I love Rubio i have nothing against him im just saying that he may look like Pete but hes not really a scorer. But hey, we can agree to disagree until he comes to the NBA and proves someone wrong. With his endless amount of potential probably me :D

[SWedd523]

A. Europe is bogus. the Olympics showed more.
B. He played well in the Olympics- getting steals and assists.
C. He looks like Pete not play like him. Pete averaged 40 something points in college..
D. Editing one more thing. I love Rubio i have nothing against him im just saying that he may look like Pete but hes not really a scorer. But hey, we can agree to disagree until he comes to the NBA and proves someone wrong. With his endless amount of potential probably me :D
No No! I get what you're saying about him not scoring as much as Pete. But I think that's really his job, know what I mean? Like Nash, he CAN go out and put up points but he focuses more on getting the dish and making the team work as a whole. So that has an effect on it.

Plus, he's 17 years old I believe. That's awfully young so he probably doesn't have the size and strength to handle grown men, but I have faith that it'll come with time

[JamieMcNeill]

No No! I get what you're saying about him not scoring as much as Pete. But I think that's really his job, know what I mean? Like Nash, he CAN go out and put up points but he focuses more on getting the dish and making the team work as a whole. So that has an effect on it.

Plus, he's 17 years old I believe. That's awfully young so he probably doesn't have the size and strength to handle grown men, but I have faith that it'll come with time

EXACTLY! thats what i meant. he not a scorer YET. and he CAN be a scorer if necessary but thats not his niche. I like the Nash comparison but hes got hands like CP3. You better have your A+ dribbling game against him or he will take it

[ziggy]

Closing up this thread so that we can use the player specific threads that Slam set up for us.