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GoBobs
10-24-2008, 09:07 AM
This team is good on D but our offense is terrible. Nobody looks like they have any confidence. The only player with much moxy is Morrison it is clear this team needs minutes from him. We need some plan to get the ball to players in the right places and it can't be everybody stands around and one player runs through the middle around some screens so he can recieve a pass on the perrimiter. Gerald Wallace and Jason Richardson should not be inicating the offense from the perimiter unless it is an clearout type issolation play where they have room to work and see the whole court. Morrison needs to be moving around at all times to be a distraction if nothing else. Felton DJ and Morrison are the only ones that need to be dribbling around trying to create. Gerald Wallace and Jason Richardson need to recieve the ball on cuts to the basket and on post up and backdoor plays. We need to have more confidence in our shooting ability and not be walking on egg shells just because LB doesn't like quick jumpers. If we can't hit those jumpers we can't space the floor for the backdoor cuts for Wallace and Richardson. Oak needs to take more than three shots. May needs to take more than two and we need to try to go through him on the block some. May and Morrison need to be on the court at the same time with Matt Carroll. Guys need to relax and play and continue to shoot and space the floor better. Sombody needs to step up.

Slam
10-24-2008, 11:07 AM
I agree. Ammo is the answer. He is the truth. We need 8 more Ammo's.

I also think that a line up that includes Hammer, Ammo and McMay would be sweet.

Be even better if we could get Primoz back to play the 5 and maybe Burleson at the point?

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
10-24-2008, 11:11 AM
i got another post out there following Ammos number..

I like what I've seen so far from him...I really think he will be key for us as he begins to feel more comfortable.

my only criticism is that I don't feel comfortable with his ball handling, he made some poor passing decisions yesterday, and I haven't seen any intensity from him.

Still though, I think he is a keeper.

WAM9
10-24-2008, 10:49 PM
I agree. Ammo is the answer. He is the truth. We need 8 more Ammo's.

I also think that a line up that includes Hammer, Ammo and McMay would be sweet.

Be even better if we could get Primoz back to play the 5 and maybe Burleson at the point?

I think McInnis would be much better than Burleson...Come on Big Slam:)

Keetch
10-24-2008, 11:01 PM
There is no doubt that Adam Morrison should play more for the Bobcats. If this preseason hasn't completely proven his value, I don't know what will.

Giving AMMO more minutes means we don't have to play Wallace as much, thus saving him for the playoffs or better yet available to trade for a PF.

We don't really need to play Dudley at all which is probably for the best considering his poor athleticism.

I trust LB. I expect AMMO's defense will improve exponentially as his knee gets stronger.

ohara831
10-25-2008, 07:47 AM
You know, word is that MJ was wanting Brook Lopez but LB talked him out of it and into DJ. DJ may turn out good, but MJ has caught a lot of crap for his Drafts. Reading up, it appears Brook Lopez is starting to prove himself a hell of a catch by the Nets. If history proves Lopez to be as good as he seems to be playing, and DJ stays Ray's backup, that UNC bond b/t MJ and LB will be tested. The success or failure of this draft will continue to be a part of MJ's legacy. And right now, Brook Lopez would look pretty good on that front line with Okafor scoring, grabbing rebounds and playing defense. We will have to watch and compare DJ and Lopez as the season progresses.

spectre
10-25-2008, 08:24 AM
You know why I think MJ wanted Lopez? He was planning on moving Mek. After the draft (I think it was after) MJ was asked about negotiations with Mek, and he sounded like he was kind of pissed that Mek wouldn't agree to a deal the previous summer.

Funny, I just read this linked off another board:

Time to trade a jump-shooter? - Bonnell (http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/10/time-to-trae-a.html?cid=134666941#comment-134666941)

Notice Rick's comment a few posts down:



So you're saying they didn't need another point guard? It's that much harder to find a point than it is to find a power forward. For all the lather about taking Augustin over Brook Lopez, plenty of scouts (not Bobcats scouts, scouts around the league) told me Lopez and Okafor would have struggled to play together because neither can guard an athletic power forward out along the perimeter.

Just my guess o'course on MJ's intentions.

ammofan
10-25-2008, 09:09 AM
This is a happy day for an Ammo-fan lol
Everybody jumping on his bandwagon all of a sudden......at least I am not the only one anymore!!!!!

ohara831
10-25-2008, 10:04 AM
You know Spectre, you may be right about that re: Okafor. I hadn't thought of that. But it would also have allowed them to experiment w/ Lopez at C and Okafor playing that odd PF/C combo. Anyway, didn't happen.

MattD
10-25-2008, 11:44 AM
There is no doubt that Adam Morrison should play more for the Bobcats. If this preseason hasn't completely proven his value, I don't know what will.

Giving AMMO more minutes means we don't have to play Wallace as much, thus saving him for the playoffs or better yet available to trade for a PF.

We don't really need to play Dudley at all which is probably for the best considering his poor athleticism.

I trust LB. I expect AMMO's defense will improve exponentially as his knee gets stronger.

joking right? his defense was and still is terrible before and after knee problems. Further, he is probably the slowest guy in the nba under 7 ft and he also is one of the wiryiest. We played him this preseason to try and prove he has some decent value when we ship him out (so I continue to pray).

I dont understand how people can think he is good. Sure he can make shots (occasionally) but there are many more facets to basketball then shooting floaters and threes

SWedd523
10-25-2008, 01:33 PM
Anyway.......

We shouldn't worry about the offense so much. Methinks it'll come around. We're averaging almost 90ppg so far this post season (including the shitty game against Orlando)

WITH

Shitty percentages. Swish is too good of an offensive player to not average atleast 20 himself. Crash, May, Mek, Ammo, Felts.. all these guys will get it.. don't worry about the offense. It'll come around guys

bing!
10-25-2008, 02:46 PM
^ ahh the complacency. I believe it's the opponent's ppg Bobcats need to worry about the most, then come the shooting woes. As for Adam, two-three weeks into the season, the 'kid' will aggravate his knee condition and sit through most of the season (on Bobcats' bench). Don't mind the gloomy forecast, I'm usually wrong.

jpf_v2.0
10-25-2008, 02:52 PM
I expect AMMO's defense will improve exponentially as his knee gets stronger.

May I ask what that expectation is based on? It certainly can't be past performance.

spectre
10-25-2008, 04:19 PM
^ ahh the complacency. I believe it's the opponent's ppg Bobcats need to worry about the most, then come the shooting woes. As for Adam, two-three weeks into the season, the 'kid' will aggravate his knee condition and sit through most of the season (on Bobcats' bench). Don't mind the gloomy forecast, I'm usually wrong.

Defense should be the first to improve, and from seeing the last game against LAL I think it already has. Offense on the other hand will probably take a while.

SWedd523
10-25-2008, 04:31 PM
^ ahh the complacency. I believe it's the opponent's ppg Bobcats need to worry about the most, then come the shooting woes. As for Adam, two-three weeks into the season, the 'kid' will aggravate his knee condition and sit through most of the season (on Bobcats' bench). Don't mind the gloomy forecast, I'm usually wrong.

Our defense has improved. The backups have played a LOT more minutes than they normally would and our defense is actually better now than at this same point last season. With our starters like Crash and Mek getting more playing time, our defense will get even better. LB is a defensive-minded coach.

Our offense will come around also, we shouldn't worry about that either guys. (at least not now...)

dav7z
10-25-2008, 04:39 PM
^ ahh the complacency. I believe it's the opponent's ppg Bobcats need to worry about the most, then come the shooting woes. As for Adam, two-three weeks into the season, the 'kid' will aggravate his knee condition and sit through most of the season (on Bobcats' bench). Don't mind the gloomy forecast, I'm usually wrong.





Welcome to Bobcatsplanet . Agreeded defence is what we are and should address first. As far as Ammo i hope your prediction is wrong. Though with ACLs you are more than likely right. Im hoping he can give a solid 20 mins a game coming off the beanch or becomes a nice piece of trade bait . Giving us a nice player in return . Either way im hoping he stays healthy .


Spectre i agree compleatly with your assesment about the team . How long do you think it takes be for we should start to see a improvment in our offence?

BRNC
10-25-2008, 05:34 PM
I think by games 12-15 ( from watching LB teams over the years) we'll have a good idea of who "gets" the offense and who is still lost...I'm hoping they all get it and would like to chip in that the defense looks a lot better to me...

spectre
10-25-2008, 05:59 PM
Dav that's a hard guess. BRNC's guess above of 12 to 15 probably isn't out the question...hell it could take more.

We have smart players I think, strength at the PG slot which LB requires, and I've already seen just a slight little bit more "ass" in Mek's game. IMO something's got to give with Swish. His game seems the most mucked up trying to adjust to "The Right Way". Let him take the 3s. Think about driving but take the shot if he has it.

When he becomes the threat like he was last year the opposition won't pack the paint, Crash can drive, Mek's more open and the guards have more open lanes.

I wish it'll be in 3 or 5 games...but I'm doubting it. They just have too much to figure out and get right. What I do feel very good about however is LB upping all our players value, and for the first time in our history we can make an actual REAL assessment of who's going to work for us.

Then we can talk trade if need be.

Keetch
10-25-2008, 06:48 PM
With sincerest apologies to Ammofan; other than "I trust in LB", that was a totally "opposites" post for me....therefore a joke yes. I want AMMO to succeed, but I'm way too old to not be real about this. Likewise, I've tried to remain quiet (against some strong reflexes sometimes) concerning AMMO out of respect for at least 2 strong BCP'ers who I know think the world of him. Again...apologies! :)

From the short preseason, Adam really does seem to have his mojo back and that's A JOY to see. If nothing else, and I mean NOTHING ELSE (can't shout that loud enough lol there you go), the guy DOES have a knack for scoring the damn ball. But with Crash and Dudley at SF, I'll be surprised if LB can find much PT for him. Don't really know what the plan is though; can't wait for opening night to see what the rotation is, that is....

unless Larry Brown goes all-Knicks on us and doesn't settle on a rotation until 2010. He does that when he dislikes his pieces I think, and he sure didn't like his pieces in NY. I'm not suggesting in the least that this environment is remotely similar, heaven forbid; but I wonder if based on talent alone, Brown's coaching behavior won't be "erratic" (to coin a neo-political term) for the forseeable future.

Honestly I hope not. That would pretty much suck to watch.

GoBobs
10-25-2008, 07:09 PM
when the lakers put Gasol at the PF and Bynum at C we need to be playing some combination of Oak and Naz or Oak and Hollins. Those are the only three guys that can guard centers or banger typer power forwards. There is no reason Oak can't guard a player like Pau you want him to shoot form outside and he isn't going to take oak off the dribble.

dav7z
10-25-2008, 08:02 PM
Spectre , I kinda feel we just wasted eight preseason games trying to force feed May a starting position . I think after reading that espn artical Mays starting days are over til he gets into shape. I think after after watching preseason games . In all of them we got killed at the very begining with May in the game. By starting by commitee or another player our offence should inprove from the first game. We have been playing four on five starting ever game of preseason.
With that said i still feel like we puting a bandaid on a big wound. Starting say Nazz one game Dudley the next and Carroll the next depending on match ups. But by at least atempting to solve the problem is a step in the right direction.
By removing May by its self our offence should inprove within the first five games. If not by game one. I feel like we have more talent with out May than we had last year. Adding Augustine and Morrison. I agree Swish needs to just do his thing on offence by puting up the threes . Remember Carroll said he would take the three in regular season rather than pass. Wallace is more produvtive playing the four and attacking the basket. In preseason he shot less than ten shots per game . In regular season i feel like he goes back to shooting 15 to 18 shots per game, Mek has only been shooting about 6 shots a game all so . I feel like that will all so increase. Felton knowing he has five healthy guys on the floor should help his game. You know hes been trying to help cover up for his frind and ex college room mate May.

We may not be playing playoff basketball but this team should improve quickly with May out of the starting line up. With in five games we all should see inproved play.

BRNC
10-25-2008, 08:33 PM
Not only five healthy guys but five guys to help defend instead of four and a foul machine....!