Harrington asks to be traded

[dnbman]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55128/20081028/report_harrington_asks_for_trade/

He doesn't want to play for Long Don Nelson.



Hmmmm.....

[ammofan]

I want him!!!!

[ALong13]

I'd love to see Harrington come to Charlotte, but Not sure who or what we'd give up...they'd probably like Felton, but would we want DJ starting right away under Coach Brown...that be tough to ask of him...Or would we have to trade co-captain Wallace? Wallace would be missed and I would honestly be crushed...

So not sure how we could get him, but would love to have him...

[dnbman]

So not sure how we could get him, but would love to have him...

I agree. I'm not sure we could get him either. However, I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Felton go for Harrington. Ideally a third team would be involved that would net us a mediocre veteran pg.

[TheLegend]

I will pray to God for the Bobcats to do anything to get this guy!

[polarcat]

well, there's the power forward we covet, yet what do we have to give up? i'd looooove for harrington to come here and bolster our front court. i doubt any of our scraps would get him. i wonder if morrison or carrol + filler would do it. golden state has no leverage now that al's gone public with his desire to be traded.

[ohara831]

That would change my outlook on this season, very favorably!!!!

[Mustachio]

If hes having trouble getting along with Don Nelson, how is he gonna get along with Larry Brown on a team that doesn't look as promising going into the season?

but yes I would love to have him here. Im not as worried about DJ starting right away. I think we would obviously have to sign a vet PG to play behind him immediately, but him and Felton were not too far apart skill wise in pre-season ( I laugh at myself for taking any stock in preseason games). And besides, Felton and DJ are basically in the same court right now both relearning the game under new coaches. All im saying is that if Felton is the peice they want... Id work with that.

[dnbman]

Nelson might be the perfect coach for Felton also. I could see him excelling with all of the gunners they have on that squad.

Might be a win-win.

[ReesieNCPantherCatfan1]

I like Harrington, I just don't know if he is really a 4. Perhaps he could play it, but that isn't really his natural postion, as he is really more of a 3, and we all know that we have WAY to many 3's. I am not saying he wouldn't be a significant upgrade, but I think we need a tough rebounding banger type instead of a converted 3 playing the 4 spot. I would like a more traditional 4 like David Lee, or Paul Milsap, a lunchpail type of player. I think I would do Felton for Lee straight up (and cross my fingers that DJ is the real deal)

[bing!]

A guy that launched 408, that's four hundred and eight, 3PT attempts last year with the Warriors is definitely the frontcourt boost the Bobcats need, cause hey, one can never have enough shooters on one's team, especially the one run by Larry, oh wait...

[polarcat]

i'm getting excited about this. i know it's early, but it makes a whole lotta sense. if they do want to play monta at the 2, then they are in dire need of a pg and we are in a dire need of a pf. we have history with them between last year's trade and higgins, plus this comes out public the same time we cut davidson with speculation of a trade on the horizon. also, the end of the article says, "that a few teams have already posed tentative deals." mustachio brings up a great point about both felton and dj having to learn new systems and their current play. agreed that we would need a vet pg though, but other than that it would help our season immensely. additionally, it would take pressure of ajinca with his development and rushing him along. with harrington here, ajinca could take a little longer to mature if need be.

[TheLegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvRBGPj0fGo

Michael Thompson you must tell your boss about setting up a trade to get this guy!

[dnbman]

A guy that launched 408, that's four hundred and eight, 3PT attempts last year with the Warriors is definitely the frontcourt boost the Bobcats need, cause hey, one can never have enough shooters on one's team, especially the one run by Larry, oh wait...

That's four times more than twice the number he had taken in any previous season. All those shots were more Nelson's tactics than Harrington's instincts.

While Harrington isn't the double digit rebounder we'd love to have, he is still a pretty good rebounder. The fact that he can step outside and hit shots would really help us spread the floor for guys like Wallace and Richardson to penetrate. Plus, he's plenty quick to guard the new athletic PFs in the league.

He's not the perfect answer for us. However, he'd be a great addition. I'm just not sure I want to trade Felton for him.

[Slam]

He'd be horrible.

[davcbow]

Im with some of the other guys on this, we need a true 4 not any more converted 3's or 5's ... although he would be a nice pickup we should work towards a true 4 first...:cool:

[bing!]

@dnbman... yes, I have noticed a sudden increase in 3PT attempts in 07-08 season, but why do I get the feeling that Al has found himself in a nice warm shooter's niche after the last season (nearly half his FG attempts were from behind the 3PT line) ?? With him playing the starting PF, the Bobcats will have four guys threatening the basket from behind the arc thus stretching the D, leaving only poor Omeka to figure out what to do with an abrupt lack of density in the paint and, as a consequence of of having a 4:1 ratio in favour of shooters, the lack of orange sphere thingy in his hands, cause let's face it, the team will return to its shot-happy policy, nevermind Larry and his focus on 'draw that foul' game.

[dnbman]

@dnbman... yes, I have noticed a sudden increase in 3PT attempts in 07-08 season, but why do I get the feeling that Al has found himself in a nice warm shooter's niche after the last season (nearly half his FG attempts were from behind the 3PT line) ?? With him playing the starting PF, the Bobcats will have four guys threatening the basket from behind the arc thus stretching the D, leaving only poor Omeka to figure out what to do with an abrupt lack of density in the paint and, as a consequence of of having a 4:1 ratio in favour of shooters, the lack of orange sphere thingy in his hands, cause let's face it, the team will return to its shot-happy policy, nevermind Larry and his focus on 'draw that foul' game.

Who will be taking 3s outside of Richardson and the pg? Wallace never was a three point shooter and Brown isn't going to continue to let Wallace shoot 3s. Harrington may have taken a ton of 3s, but he can play inside as well. If we have Harrington, a guy who can hit from outside, that would allow us to post up Wallace more too. With a three like Wallace, we don't have to have a traditional PF, although it would be nice.

I don't know what Harrington's personality is like. Maybe he wouldn't work with Brown. However, I like that we'd have another athletic big with actual skills who can rebound and spread the floor. If we can't get a Boozer type player, I'd love to have an Al Harrington type player.

[ohara831]

6-9, 250 lbs 13.6 pts 5.4 reb listed as starting PF ahead of Wright

Compare that to any output we'd get from May, Hollins or Ajinca. (or the new guy they say may play some PF) He'd make us much better. At least it's worth exploring. Standing as we are, we are last in our Division.

[spectre]

It'd be hard to imagine Harrington being LB's type of player. He's weak on D and he has been a chucker from outside ever since he played in ATL.

He'd probably help offensively and in rebounding though. Most likely they'd want Crash for him.

[Slam]

It'd be hard to imagine Harrington being LB's type of player. He's weak on D and he has been a chucker from outside ever since he played in ATL.

He'd probably help offensively and in rebounding though. Most likely they'd want Crash for him.
????

He averaged only 5.4 boards a game last year.............and that is in a system where there are MANY boards to be had because they jack up so many shots, so early in the clock. Most he has ever averaged in a season is 7 a game.

He's like a poor, poor mans Jamison - who doesn't really rebound that well and isn't very smart (at least Jamison is smart)

[bing!]

@dnbman... sure, still I think the 180° change in approach won't sit well with most of the players. We've witnessed a steady increase in Gerald's 3PT attempts over the last three seasons and I'm thinkin' he just might be the first of the above mentioned players having words with the coach. I never said Al wouldn't be a welcome asset, I'm just saying the managment should opt for a traditional PF to help with the messy part of basketball, one that can help with Inside&Inside-only scoring and one that is not inclined to launch long range shots. A coach can mold a player to his liking, but he can't change the nature of one once one has tried the sweet drug that is Jump&Shoot, and we all know that forcing a player never amounts up to anything productive.

But hey, if there's one coach who can do a successful u-turn with a team (and its players), it's Larry. <-- kinda steppin' on what I said about Larry in my previous post, what can I say, I'm flakey.

[Mustachio]

I don't think this guy makes us championship contenders or anything but I think it would be a positive move for us. I think hes plenty big enough and has enough offensive firepower to make a real difference. Mek is never gonna be a go to guy, and we have to have an offensive presence down low to be at all successful. The only way i see this team getting a dominant PF anytime soon is through the draft. Harrington is far from dominant, but he is 2 steps above anything we have at PF right now. That might be the best we can do.

I haven't given up on this current team yet, so not acquiring him won't hurt my feelings. But if the front office happens to grow a set and bring him in... I would be more than ok with it.

[spectre]

????

He averaged only 5.4 boards a game last year.............and that is in a system where there are MANY boards to be had because they jack up so many shots, so early in the clock. Most he has ever averaged in a season is 7 a game.

He's like a poor, poor mans Jamison - who doesn't really rebound that well and isn't very smart (at least Jamison is smart)

Oh my bad...coulda swore I saw someone post his stats with like 9 rebounds per.

Then there's no way LB brings in a tweener chucker...and I"d be pissed if we gave up Crash for him.

[polarcat]

considering that there aren't many traditional low post banger/scoring threats like boozer out there to be had, i would be comfortable with harrington. harrington has his flaws, but he improves a lineup that is in need of some offensive output in the frontcourt. we've heard names like landry, sean williams and ike diogu kicked around as helping us and harrington would be much more welcomed to this team than those including our current roster of pf's. he's 29 with a year left after this season which means worst case, he's an expiring to use as trade bait next season. i would rather keep jrich, wallace and okafor intact and if it means felts....ok. if dj plays up to his expectations and draft position, we're going to have to eventually trade one of them because both i can't see either wanting to be the backup.

[spectre]

It'd have to either be Crash straight up or Felton/Ammo. They wouldn't take Nazr's deal nor would they take Hammer...remember their owner is concerned with the bottom line (Swish says hello).

Regardless of whether DJ can take over right now (and IMO he can't...he sucks defensively), who are we going to get for a backup? Strawberry?

[Slam]

Felton, Hammer and McMay
for
Williams, Randolph and Harrington

Of course, there is no way they would do that - and I am not even sure I would!!

[ohara831]

Over on RGM, Felton for Prez brought up the fact that he thinks Harrington's agent is the same as Varajau. He owes us for helping him out w/ the Cleveland deal, remember? If so, by the trade checker, we could get him for Carroll and May. Gives them an outside presence in Carroll and the "possibility" of a May who "might" by a miracle get in shape and stay somewhat healthy. I would not trade Crash for him, but if it is a couple of bench players and the agent can get it done, then this deal could happen and not cost us as much as first thought. Much more appealing, even for the skeptics.

[dnbman]

Over on RGM, Felton for Prez brought up the fact that he thinks Harrington's agent is the same as Varajau. He owes us for helping him out w/ the Cleveland deal, remember? If so, by the trade checker, we could get him for Carroll and May. Gives them an outside presence in Carroll and the "possibility" of a May who "might" by a miracle get in shape and stay somewhat healthy.

They've already got outside shooters. They need a pg desperately. I can almost guarantee that whoever gets Harrington sends a pg to GS.

Unfortunately, that would mean either Felton or Augustine, leaving us thin at pg.

[TheBeagle]

I'd have to pass on this trade unless they gave him to us for say Carroll and May, which ohara proposes.

He'd have to realize sacrificing his body on defense and rebounding comes before scoring though, and I don't know if he'd accept those terms. In actuality, I don't know much about the guy except Antonio Davis was his mentor his first couple years in Indiana, but he seems (and his stats back it up) to be a tweener forward who looks to score moreso than the blue-collar work ethic we need. Still, upgrade over what is at 4 now? Of course!

[tamburello]

Larry Brown is a man who sends Jermareo away and fills the team with Andre Brown, Linton Johnson type guys. I simply cannot imagine him wanting Al Harrington.

Actually it didn't make sense to me that Harrington didn't want to play for Don Nelson since Nelson system is a paradise for Harrington type tweeners, soft, but shooter. I really don't know if Harrington has a low-post game, if he had I'd want him regardless of his rebounding flaws. In Atlanta and Indiana, he didn't take so much 3 pointers. But Larry Brown wouldn't want him. Period. And what we lack (reliable traditional post scorer) is really the most difficult type to find. Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, there are very few of them and we have to solve these situation with alternative options. And nobody here will be completely happy about it, including myself.

Anyway, Harrington and Nelson denied these rumors http://48minutes.net/2008/10/28/harrington-nelson-deny-trade-story/

[amour217]

I don't think Harrington is necessarily the answer to our problems at the PF position, but it also couldn't hurt. His jacking up a ton of threes is indicative of Nelson's system...I think if LB can work down-on-the-block plays for him, he can be a help...he's definitely skilled offensively. On the rebounding side, I think positioning him down low more consistently may lead to more boards...it might...I mean he isn't tiny. As the NBA continues to evolve, it's obvious the down-low banger PF is getting harder to find. The modern PF is a lighter, quicker player that has more of an outside shot than the hard-nosed, bruising, rebounders of the past. I agree with some posters that the true answer to our front-line issues is found in the draft...but you know the issues with this team and drafting smart. But I'll still have faith in them...even later picks sometimes turn out surprising where you can find a Leon Powe or a Ryan Gomes...both undersized PFs who play VERY hard and can cause a lot of damage out there. I still can't believe the rebounding numbers Gomes would put up in some games for Boston.

This is from his profile on Draftexpress:


Often asked to guard back to the basket power forwards and centers, which he seems to have little patience for. Gets posted up at will, lacking the height or strength to contest. Fundamentals appear to be lacking, doesn’t put very much effort in on the perimeter. Gets beat way too easily. Conditioning is average, appears to have lost a step athletically for that reason. Doesn’t rebound well at all for his position.

[dav7z]

With more smoke it must ne a fire some where.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55128/20081028/report_harrington_asks_for_trade/



Two sorces now saying it now. It all so said Wright and Bennilli might all so be involved in the proposed trade. It said a couple teams had all ready proposed offers.

So i checked Harington , Bennilli, Wright on the trade checker for Felton and Wallace it works,

Augustine, Rich, Harrington, Wright , Mek. . If we did that we would have to trade a wing or two for a point, We do get bigger Wright at 6.10 and Harrington at 6.9

As far as the plus minus for the trade it came out even

[Felton for Prez]

I bet he ends up on the Bulls. The Warriors are going to want a PG and I don't see us offering up Felton. LB openly pined for Kevin Ollie (amazing) as a 3rd guard, so he's not going to want to put us in a position with only one PG (and a rookie at that).

The only way we get involved is a 3 or 4 way deal. I agree with Big Slam on this, he's not the answer. However, at the risk of agreeing with Simmons, our parts don't fit together. He would fit better than some of the pieces that are currently in place. If we can get him without giving up Wallace or Felton, then I am in. Otherwise, I think I pass.

With all the trade talk, I keep going back to one that I hated early in the LB era and that's Rasheed. I watched the games against the Hawks and Lakers and we have no attitude, other than whining about foul calls. Andre Brown has a chip on his shoulder and GW, but that's about it. I am not a fan of Rasheed, but he is the exact player that we need. I think at this stage I'd be willing to rent him for the year and hope that LB and MJ can convince him to stay next year.

[Mustachio]

unbelievably... i agree that Rasheed Wallace would do wonders for this team. I don't know how we could get him but he would be perfect i think. plus a change of pace for him might not be terrible.

somebody make this happen.

[polarcat]

So i checked Harington , Bennilli, Wright on the trade checker for Felton and Wallace it works,

Augustine, Rich, Harrington, Wright , Mek. . If we did that we would have to trade a wing or two for a point, We do get bigger Wright at 6.10 and Harrington at 6.9

As far as the plus minus for the trade it came out even

i would be so onboard for this deal! with belinelli in the fold, we could trade either morrison or carroll for a pg.... maybe crittenton or lowry in memphis or a more established veteran. i hope it happens..... but most bobcat deals that seem too perfect, never happen. so, i guess we will all have to be happy with linton johnson as our big splash.

[Slam]

Over on RGM, Felton for Prez brought up the fact that he thinks Harrington's agent is the same as Varajau. He owes us for helping him out w/ the Cleveland deal, remember?
He doesn't owe us shit.

We didn't sign AV to an offer sheet to help his agent, the Cavs or anyone else. We signed him to help ourselves.

[polarcat]

just to echo slam's statement..... what difference does it make with the agent. i thought the team needs to be compensated properly in the trade rather than the agent. it's not like if al is going to be traded to the heat for dwayne wade, and the bobcats are offering felton, that the agent would make the deal go to charlotte b/c of the past. obviously wade compensates the warriors better than felton for losing harrington.

[WAM9]

unbelievably... i agree that Rasheed Wallace would do wonders for this team. I don't know how we could get him but he would be perfect i think. plus a change of pace for him might not be terrible.

somebody make this happen.

I can't believe it either but I too agree that Wallace would be a great fit for us. Other than the Boozer deal, I haven't heard any other realistic deal that I think would be better for us than Rasheed.

[dav7z]

This conferms he wants to be traded,

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55145/20081029/harrington_ive_been_wanting_trade_since_last_seaso n/#

[mrtarheel]

Here is my thing, we need a pf and some want to bash this man. Al Harrington would fit perfect into this system. Rasheed did the same thing with 3's when he was under LB in Det. Mek has limited scoring ability downlow and this would open up the opportunity for Crash to play a slasher and scorer and be a monster on the boards. Okafor must become a beast on the boards. Al can go down low also with the right matchups. So I go with a trade off

Charlotte out Ammo and Nazr

Memphis out Crittenton

Golden State out Harrington, Bellini, and Wright

Charlotte in Harrington and Wright then cutting Hollins and Brown for Strawberry and a big center to back up Okafor

Memphis in Bellini and Nazr who would backup there starters and Nazr takes the younger Gasol under his wings

Golden State gets Ammo and Crittenton, the pg they want and Ammo a contract they can let go in a year or two to sign their young talent.

I think this works for all parties. We then have an abundance of players at the 4, still have wings and pg depth but alittle shakey at the 5 unless we could score an old vet backup on the cheap.

[lancer]

i suggest to trade to Mark Madsen. ..he is young antonio davis

[amour217]

Here is my thing, we need a pf and some want to bash this man. Al Harrington would fit perfect into this system. Rasheed did the same thing with 3's when he was under LB in Det. Mek has limited scoring ability downlow and this would open up the opportunity for Crash to play a slasher and scorer and be a monster on the boards. Okafor must become a beast on the boards. Al can go down low also with the right matchups. So I go with a trade off

Charlotte out Ammo and Nazr

Memphis out Crittenton

Golden State out Harrington, Bellini, and Wright

Charlotte in Harrington and Wright then cutting Hollins and Brown for Strawberry and a big center to back up Okafor

Memphis in Bellini and Nazr who would backup there starters and Nazr takes the younger Gasol under his wings

Golden State gets Ammo and Crittenton, the pg they want and Ammo a contract they can let go in a year or two to sign their young talent.

I think this works for all parties. We then have an abundance of players at the 4, still have wings and pg depth but alittle shakey at the 5 unless we could score an old vet backup on the cheap.

Interesting, but it would be nice if we could hang on to Nazr in any deal. My rationale for this is that during the open practice I noticed that Nazr was often helping Ajinca a lot out there on the court: talking to him on the sideline, calling out to him where to go during plays...it was kinda nice. Then I thought back to that Nazr video on the Bobcats' site where they mentioned that he was a veteran of LB's system...so in that respect he's fairly valuable to our team, especially when it comes to helping Ajinca along, who is admittedly a project for our team

[mrtarheel]

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Oct 30, 2008 1:00 PM EST
In a potential swap of players who do not figure in their current teams' plans, the Knicks and Warriors have reportedly had discussions about a trade involving Eddy Curry and Al Harrington.

The Warriors are more interested in a package including David Lee.

The better offers for Harrington are coming from Western Conference clubs, but the Warriors would prefer to ship Harrington to the Eastern Conference.

Via ESPN.com

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If they are willing to take Curry, why wouldn't the be interested in Nazr who is more mobile player than Curry and is willing to teach Biedrins stuff. I think my trade idea will work.