Crash on his way out?

[amour217]

According to realgm, a Gerald Wallace trade might be imminent. http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55289/20081107/gerald_wallace_to_be_traded/.

This is kinda difficult to read, in all honesty. I have to say that I absolutely love Gerald Wallace and I love what he's meant to this community and this team. This is also very scary in that there's a possibility he could be dealt for someone like Eddy Curry...ugh. But at the same time, there might be a deal in the works we don't know about that will make this team much better not just in the short-term, but in the long-term. Gerald has played pretty well this season, so this might be a good instance of selling fairly high. Let me be the first to say, however, that if he's dealt I will miss him greatly and I'll continue to cheer for him wherever he plays. Whether you stay or go, thanks for being a class act, Crash!

[Muttley]

Ooo, I'd hate to see Crash go. Really hope the FO knows what its doing if they're gonna go and trade away a guy like that. Eddy Curry? I hope it would be something better than that.

[GoBobs]

It is never a good idea to get rid of your best player and Gerald Wallace is pretty much tied with j-rich as our best player. If anyone needs to go in a trade to shake things up it is mek. Oak is keeping us from being a running team. He is an undersized center that doesn't run the floor well. How much better would our team be if we had Amare or KG instead of Oak. Watching the knicks game mek was a terrible on offense getting stripped over and over.

Gerald wallace is a great player but when the game becomes a sloppy running game he becomes one of the best players in the leauge because he is so fast in the open court.

[Muttley]

I don't think we can trade Mek at this point. He just signed a contract and that makes it impossible/tough to trade. Actually, I'm not sure, but isn't there a restriction on trading Mek before Dec 15th?


How much better would our team be if we had Amare or KG instead of Oak.

-or-

CP3 instead of Felton?
Kobe instead of JRich?
LeBron instead of Crash?
Anyone instead of the nothing we have at PF?

Yes, all of these would make the team better, but it's seems rather unreasonable to try and compare.

[Chef]

we should hold the blazers hostage with darius miles. we should call them and tell them that we want a pf and we want to give up nazr and/or carroll in the deal (maybe even mek). they can work out a fair deal, if not we sign a play darius miles for 10 games (whether he is gimpy or not) and crush their cap room and free agency maneuverability. of course i am semi kidding but it could be a tatic for a desperate team.

[bozzy]

we should hold the blazers hostage with darius miles. we should call them and tell them that we want a pf and we want to give up nazr and/or carroll in the deal (maybe even mek). they can work out a fair deal, if not we sign a play darius miles for 10 games (whether he is gimpy or not) and crush their cap room and free agency maneuverability. of course i am semi kidding but it could be a tatic for a desperate team.

I think Carroll is staying. This is probably the reason Ammo has been playing so much to start the season. They are just trying to audition Ammo for trade bait.

[Mustachio]

nothing in that article makes sense. Adam Morrison has played above expectations so far. Raymond hasn't been completely terrible and Gerald Wallace has grown in favor with Pounds.

just someone trying to stir some stuff up i think... but several sources confirmed it so it must be true.


That said ... trading Wallace to GS for Harrington would give us an unbelievable amount of wiggle room in this offseason. Crash and Harrington would free up about 20 million in cap room at the end of this season. Can Dude handle the starting SF spot though? I think he could and Adam would be there for offense.

Ray/DJ
Jrich/Brown/MC
Dude/Ammo
Harrington/Lex/May
Okafor/Nazr

at least thats a little more balanced roster.



and for the record. Mek is hardly holding this team back. I'm so sick of people bashing Okafor. HE WILL NEVER BE DWIGHT HOWARD... get over it.!!!

[Mustachio]

I think Carroll is staying. This is probably the reason Ammo has been playing so much to start the season. They are just trying to audition Ammo for trade bait.


I don't think so. I don't think Matt Carroll not playing has anything to do with Ammo being shopped.

I think Matt Carroll isnt playing because we have a coach who knows NBA talent. and IMO Matt Carroll is an NBDL All-Star with an NBA contract and I think Larry agrees.

[dav7z]

This sounds like we ready to change the whole make up of the team . I hope its Portland instead of New York . They are geting ready for some big contracts and we might pick up some fair deals thair . Im not oposed to Curry but don't want to give up much for him. May would have to be part of any thing for him, No Wallace or Felton.
Harrington and pieces , Curry and pieces, Wallace , Felton, Morrison, Then Portland,
It could be hudge.
Felton has to be going to Golden State, We don't want Harrington hes going to NY. Wallace more than likely going to Portland, I expect Outlaw, Frye and others leave Portland .
Morrison and his expiring going to portland. Some one besides Curry leaves NY, Lee Crawford? This could get real interesting. M Williams more than likely involved too.

I could live with this coming out of it with , Frye , Outlaw, Curry, M Williams
That would about work foe Felton , Wallace, Morrison

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I don't think so. I don't think Matt Carroll not playing has anything to do with Ammo being shopped.

I think Matt Carroll isnt playing because we have a coach who knows NBA talent. and IMO Matt Carroll is an NBDL All-Star with an NBA contract and I think Larry agrees.

couldn't agree more with you...as I've said before, he's a pretty limited player and can't create plays on his own.

[amour217]

I wonder if Wallace could be included in a deal to Portland for Frye and Sergio Rodriguez, who reportedly wants out of Portland badly.

[SWedd523]

trading gerald for harrington would make our team much worse. I've seen some GSW games since the Bobcats never come on tv and have NOT been impressed with Harrington at ALL. I would much rather have Crash:rolleyes:

[dav7z]

Somthing big is going down soon. It looks like a four team trade.


http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix075915990nov07,0,1638561.story



http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55294/20081107/rodriguez_wants_out_of_portland/#


Ever thing is pointing to a four team trade.

[dnbman]

Somthing big is going down soon. It looks like a four team trade.


http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix075915990nov07,0,1638561.story

I'm not sure that article offered anything we didn't already know, other than linking all of the stories together.

Let's not go crazy until something starts to take shape. We don't know anything other than rumors that first started as ideas by forum posters. A lot of these ideas aren't adding up in the slightest since:

* Most of those guys aren't Brown type guys.
* Brown's planning for the future in Ajinca, so we probably won't mortgage our future for mediocre guys who might be team cancers.
* They'd have a public relations nightmare if they traded our most electric player for mediocre talent and little else that helped us in the future (like first round picks).

I'm just not envisioning this thing having teeth, unless it does involve Portland and possibly draft picks.

[G-Force for MVP]

It is never a good idea to get rid of your best player and Gerald Wallace is pretty much tied with j-rich as our best player. If anyone needs to go in a trade to shake things up it is mek. Oak is keeping us from being a running team. He is an undersized center that doesn't run the floor well. How much better would our team be if we had Amare or KG instead of Oak. Watching the knicks game mek was a terrible on offense getting stripped over and over.

Gerald wallace is a great player but when the game becomes a sloppy running game he becomes one of the best players in the leauge because he is so fast in the open court.

oak is a powerforward not a center

[dav7z]

dnbman , I have never heard so much wid spread trade talk just four games into the season. We all know Harrington is on the block, We all so know Curry is on the block. To day we read Rodiguez wants out of Portland . We all so read Charlotte wanting to make many moves Felton , Morrison and even Wallace. I don't think its any secret we going to make some moves with Larry Brown coaching. Its all so no secret NY wants Curry out badly .All this adds up to somthing this early in the season. Is the Bobcats involved or not i don't know.

But i do like the thought of Portland players and draft picks.

[ALong13]

I'm not going to lie, if Crash is traded, I'm going to be pissed and very upset. He's my favorite player on this team and I don't think he's the one that needs to go. I know we need a better PF, but I think if Crash is traded it'll be a mistake unless we get a huge deal...If we traded with Portland I'd want Sergio and Outlaw tho and have the starting line-up like this...

PG: Raymond Felton
SG: Sergio Rodriguez
SF: JRich
PF: Outlaw
C: Okafor...

But I'd still prefer not to trade Crash if we can keep him...and wherever he goes that would become my second favorite team...

[dnbman]

dnbman , I have never heard so much wid spread trade talk just four games into the season. ... All this adds up to somthing this early in the season. Is the Bobcats involved or not i don't know.

These types of discussions happen every season with various players and various teams. There are always some disgruntled players that don't like the situation they find themselves in and there are always teams who have needs they have to fill. Fans and columnists speculate on trades, 99.9% of which never happen.

All I'm saying is, the trades don't make sense for us. The speculation is based on ideas that we've seen for a few weeks now (The Knicks looking to trade Curry; Harrington unhappy with the situation; Portland wanting to trade youth for stronger veterans; Tinsley needing a new home, etc.). A trade may be brewing, but until I hear a deal that actually makes sense for all teams involved, I'm calling this internet fodder designed get people checking news sites and blogs.

Again, it may happen, or have already happened and it hasn't been reported! I just don't think because somebody connects that all of these teams have needs that all of a sudden they create a giant swap-- presto, chango-- and everybody's happy. This is especially true with multi-team deals, since so many numbers come into play based on complex expectations of the CBA.

[Wallace15]

I think we all know that trading Crash could potentially bring us a quality 4, but if we end up trading him for a Al Harrington or an Eddy Curry, then I'll be extremely pissed.

Gerald has always been my favorite player and I agree with ALong13, Crash isn't the one that needs to go.

[drunkbum]

http://njmg.typepad.com/knickknacks/2008/11/a-three-way.html


Al Harrington to the Knicks, Eddy Curry to Charlotte and Gerald Wallace to Golden State?????

[krazyrumpshaker]

I have thought since Brown came here that he was eventually going to blow this team apart. Having said that, i thought that Wallace would have been one of the players that would have been safe. He is a scorer and defender and rebounder. Bringing in someone like Curry will not replace everything that Wallace does. If he is gone i hope we bring in several pieces that will help our team.

[dav7z]

I think we all know that trading Crash could potentially bring us a quality 4, but if we end up trading him for a Al Harrington or an Eddy Curry, then I'll be extremely pissed.

Gerald has always been my favorite player and I agree with ALong13, Crash isn't the one that needs to go.


We all love Crash more than likely the most liked on the team. And to me has a value contract . I could be over valueing him due to me likeing him so much.
But if we be smart we could walk out of this with a solid team.
Ridriguez, Outlaw, Frye, Curry, all coming in
Walllace, Felton, Morrison, , all going out .Thats about 20 milion going out and 20 milion coming in

Positives in this1st Curry, He averaged 13 points per game for Brown and he has somthing to prove now.
2ND We get so much bigger up frunt., Frye at 6.11 to go along with Mek and Curry.
3rd Outlaw is a poor mans version of Crash , He will score you 15ppg starting at the three. And is a good defender.
4th Ridriguez, Solid at point and has a pure shot . Might be a defencive liability don't know.

[Mustachio]

I don't like anything about any of this.


Bah Humbug.

[amour217]

We all love Crash more than likely the most liked on the team. And to me has a value contract . I could be over valueing him due to me likeing him so much.
But if we be smart we could walk out of this with a solid team.
Ridriguez, Outlaw, Frye, Curry, all coming in
Walllace, Felton, Morrison, , all going out .Thats about 20 milion going out and 20 milion coming in

Positives in this1st Curry, He averaged 13 points per game for Brown and he has somthing to prove now.
2ND We get so much bigger up frunt., Frye at 6.11 to go along with Mek and Curry.
3rd Outlaw is a poor mans version of Crash , He will score you 15ppg starting at the three. And is a good defender.
4th Ridriguez, Solid at point and has a pure shot . Might be a defencive liability don't know.

I'm not so sure we can do that big of a re-vamp of this team. I mean our current team's been together for awhile now with our new coach and is still struggling to learn his system. If you bring in a whole new bunch of players as opposed to 1 or 2, imagine the mess we'll have while they try to pick it up

[ohara831]

I know there are many here who dont like any of this trade talk. I admit I've been very vocal about us needing major changes. But we were all of one accord that LB is a Hall Of Fame Coach who understands talent and how to use it. If he likes the team as currently constituted, then all this talk is bluster and nothing happens. If major changes occur, you have to know LB is behind it. You know MJ trusts Larry to build the team with which he feels he can best coach and win. If changes occur or not, it is likely what LB wants. I'll be cranky if nothing happens, others will be pissed if anything happens, and many others are somewhere in between. I just look at it and say whatever happens or doesn't, and how this team plays this year, we can all sleep soundly knowing that LB and the front office are to take the credit or blame. Let's just see what happens.

[ammofan]

wwow.....this is crazy.
i still want zach randolph...

[ohara831]

wwow.....this is crazy.
i still want zach randolph...

Me too. But we are a very small minority. Just depends if LB is in agreement.

[Dead_Real]

I wonder who is behind this Brown or MJ either way if true I have a bad feeling were going to get screwed in this deal.

[amour217]

I wonder who is behind this Brown or MJ either way if true I have a bad feeling were going to get screwed in this deal.


I'm with you on that one...unless there's a team being tight-lipped out there about being trade partners with us, the options don't look too good and I think we'll get hosed big time.

[coordinator0]

Let me say this, if Crash goes I may be on my way out also. There are very few players that I would like to see come in if he was traded. Zach Randolph, Outlaw wouldn't be bad, and that's just about it (for realistic trades). If the FO makes a really dumb move, like trading Wallace and getting Curry or Harrington back in return, you might not see me on this forum anymore.

[ohara831]

Interesting that there is nothing at all on ESPN.com NBA site about this talk or rumor. Just completely missing. JA Adande has a Chat at 3:00. I wonder if he'll have any news on it?

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Interesting that there is nothing at all on ESPN.com NBA site about this talk or rumor. Just completely missing. JA Adande has a Chat at 3:00. I wonder if he'll have any news on it?

Here's the same rummor...but no mention of the Bobcats

""Knicks president Donnie Walsh continues to pursue Golden State forward Al Harrington (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3268/), but may need a third team to make a trade happen. Harrington's contract matches the salary of Eddy Curry (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3514/), who fell out of Mike D'Antoni's rotation even before suffering a knee injury. He is expected to be sidelined for two weeks. The Knicks are willing to trade Curry, but the Warriors don't appear to have much interest in the former Bulls center. One other possibility would be for the Knicks to trade Malik Rose (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3134/) and David Lee (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3956/) to Golden State for Harrington. Otherwise, Walsh will have to find a third party. One such team could be the San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/), who have a history of making trades with the Knicks and desperately need additional scoring. The feeling is that by playing alongside Tim Duncan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3173/) and Tony Parker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3527/), Curry could resurrect his career under Spurs coach Greg Popovich. One major stumbling block is that the Spurs may not have enough assets to satisfy the Warriors in a three-way move."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Suicide-lines-Al-for-Curry-Odom-off-the-bench-?urn=nba,120441

[ammofan]

Interesting that there is nothing at all on ESPN.com NBA site about this talk or rumor. Just completely missing. JA Adande has a Chat at 3:00. I wonder if he'll have any news on it?
I asked him :D

[dnbman]

I asked him :D

and.... ?

I'm not seeing anything else. Now, the Spurs have come into the mix too.

[ohara831]

He ignored the question, and I am sure there were many in NY and GS asking the same question. Must be he didn't have any news on it so ignored it.

[ohara831]

On RGM, a Warriors fan came over to post this info. Bob Fitzgerald w/ Warriors TV came on and said the deal being discussed is:
GS gets Crash
NY gets Harrington
Char gets Curry and Lee

[ohara831]

If we were getting Curry and Lee, that would kinda lead me to believe that another deal was coming w/ Okafor going. Why BOTH Curry and Lee?

[DanielWheeler]

If we were getting Curry and Lee, that would kinda lead me to believe that another deal was coming w/ Okafor going. Why BOTH Curry and Lee?

Because to be honest we need post depth. May is a f'n mess.

[SWedd523]

I'm kinda iffy on the incoming Curry and Lee for Crash. I mean it could be a solid deal but I would love it if it was Randolph instead of curry. I doubt salaries would work out with that but hey...

Curry+Lee>Crash?

Maybe by a little bit.. would we at least save some cap space?

[ohara831]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=308~1026~990~2772&teams=18~9~30~30&te=&cash=

For what it's worth, it passes the Trade Checker

[TheBeagle]

I think we all know that trading Crash could potentially bring us a quality 4, but if we end up trading him for a Al Harrington or an Eddy Curry, then I'll be extremely pissed.

Gerald has always been my favorite player and I agree with ALong13, Crash isn't the one that needs to go. :yeahthat:

Yeah, if we trade our most fan-friendly, most versatile player for those scrubs...and that's it...well let's just say, remember how angry I got about trading Kyle Weaver?

**********

Like I said in anther thread, I'm not against trading anyone on our roster, but for the RIGHT deal, and a one for one trade for either Harrington or Curry is FAR FAR from RIGHT.

[Ampsportsduo]

First problem: Curry and Okafor on the floor at the same time? Curry has 3 years left on his contract (and approx. $30 million).

Second problem: Lee's a restricted free agent after this season. He's the intriguing part of this trade, because the Cats so badly need a 4, but if he's just a rental, it hardly seems worth it.

Third Problem: Will this team be better off with Ammo and Dudley trying to lock down the SF position? I love Dudley's effort and what he brings, but I don't see him as a long-term starter.

And a general issue...
Fourth Problem: The front office. Does anyone think if Crash gets traded, our front office is going to get the best of any trade?

[ohara831]

I'd be conflicted over this deal IF it goes like this. But if we got Curry, Lee AND Knicks #1 in '09, then it would be a bargain, cause they are surely a Lottery team next yr.

[DanielWheeler]

First problem: Curry and Okafor on the floor at the same time? Curry has 3 years left on his contract (and approx. $30 million).

Second problem: Lee's a restricted free agent after this season. He's the intriguing part of this trade, because the Cats so badly need a 4, but if he's just a rental, it hardly seems worth it.

Third Problem: Will this team be better off with Ammo and Dudley trying to lock down the SF position? I love Dudley's effort and what he brings, but I don't see him as a long-term starter.

And a general issue...
Fourth Problem: The front office. Does anyone think if Crash gets traded, our front office is going to get the best of any trade?

1st problem: Curry has 2 years left and he's a solid backup for the time being.

2nd problem: I'm sure the Bobcats would immediately sign Lee long term if they got him. That's why you take on a contract like Curry.

3rd problem: Apparently, LB loves Dudley as I do. He's a great player for a team minded scheme.

4th problem: I don't think so, but hey that's what happens when you're desperate to deal someone.

[ohara831]

First problem: Curry and Okafor on the floor at the same time? Curry has 3 years left on his contract (and approx. $30 million).

Second problem: Lee's a restricted free agent after this season. He's the intriguing part of this trade, because the Cats so badly need a 4, but if he's just a rental, it hardly seems worth it.

Third Problem: Will this team be better off with Ammo and Dudley trying to lock down the SF position? I love Dudley's effort and what he brings, but I don't see him as a long-term starter.

And a general issue...
Fourth Problem: The front office. Does anyone think if Crash gets traded, our front office is going to get the best of any trade?


___________________________________________

Trade Checker says 2 yr for Curry and 1 for Lee. I would honestly think they would do this w/ the idea of extending Lee. It would not make sense for a 1 yr rental b/c Ajinca wont be ready next yr, or likely even the next one.

[ohara831]

DanielWheeler: Nice job of being quicker to the pen than I! We were both thinking the same thing!

[amour217]

Curry and May on the same team? Good Lord, there's not enough restaurants in the city! Quick...alert the Farmers Market!

[Ampsportsduo]

1st problem: Curry has 2 years left and he's a solid backup for the time being.

2nd problem: I'm sure the Bobcats would immediately sign Lee long term if they got him. That's why you take on a contract like Curry.

3rd problem: Apparently, LB loves Dudley as I do. He's a great player for a team minded scheme.

4th problem: I don't think so, but hey that's what happens when you're desperate to deal someone.

1. You're right, with the season being so young I was including this year (incorrectly).

2. The Cats probably wouldn't be able to sign Lee immediately, since he's a restricted free agent, and would be sought after by several teams. It would suit Lee better to wait for a shot at the market. If they can lock him up, the deal is more appealing.

3. I love Dudley too, but he and Ammo cannot hold down the 3 position for an entire year.

[Dead_Real]

On RGM, a Warriors fan came over to post this info. Bob Fitzgerald w/ Warriors TV came on and said the deal being discussed is:
GS gets Crash
NY gets Harrington
Char gets Curry and Lee

I pray that this is false why not just go after Boozer or Odom? atleast the talent exchange would be equal.

[DirtyU11]

Wallace shouldn't be going anywhere. Any trade that involves him we are going get nothing of equal value in return just because were the bobcats and people think they can rip us off. After raymonds good game against the Knicks we should look to trade him to Portland for Aldridge. It works in the checker but i dont know if that is enough to get LMA. Maybe throw in a 2nd rounder. Thoughts?

[polarcat]

crash is my favorite player on the 'cats but if his leaving improves this team by adding a young 4, then ok. as much as i love crash, i'm quickly becoming a jared dudley fan. he was acc player of the year one time at bc and is a young 3 with what looks like a lot of upside/b-ball i.q. if decreasing a little bit at the 3 with dudley and increasing the 4 with a new player, then count me in. throw in wallace's concussion history and the fact that he is probably a third option on most nba teams, and it makes the loss of him a little easier. the only thing is i hope we get equal value. eddie curry or al harrington... not. david lee locked up plus something minor.... ok, though i wonder how athletic our front court would be with lee and oak holding it down sans crash at sf. a move or three has to be made this season to improve this team and i hope the front office knows which pieces to shuffle around. with trades they've made in the past, i'm very wary.

[ohara831]

Wallace shouldn't be going anywhere. Any trade that involves him we are going get nothing of equal value in return just because were the bobcats and people think they can rip us off. After raymonds good game against the Knicks we should look to trade him to Portland for Aldridge. It works in the checker but i dont know if that is enough to get LMA. Maybe throw in a 2nd rounder. Thoughts?

It would take a whole lot more than Ray and a 2nd for LMA. A WHOLE LOT more.

[Proudiddy]

Wallace shouldn't be going anywhere. Any trade that involves him we are going get nothing of equal value in return just because were the bobcats and people think they can rip us off. After raymonds good game against the Knicks we should look to trade him to Portland for Aldridge. It works in the checker but i dont know if that is enough to get LMA. Maybe throw in a 2nd rounder. Thoughts?

Don't know if you've watched lately, but there is no way we are getting Aldridge. The guy is blowing up, and Oden hasn't proven he could stay healthy. Aldridge is killing it on the inside and even has stepped out and is shooting threes now... No way they trade him. Frye maybe, but not Aldridge.

BTW, why aren't we trying to get rid of our salary albatrosses, Carroll and Nazr? It's clear they're out of favor with LB, so why not throw them in a trade somewhere? At least one of them. And I will be extremely disappointed if all we got for Crash was Curry and Lee. This to me, would be detrimental to the franchise, the fans, and everyone else involved with long-term implications.

[DirtyU11]

Nazr and May work in the checker for Curry. Thats about all Curry is worth to me and New York gets to drop 2mil in mays contract after the season.

[davcbow]

We will not get better by letting anyone rip us off in talent on a trade. I wouldn't trade no one until we get exactly what we want and not until then. :cool:

[Ampsportsduo]

Wallace shouldn't be going anywhere. Any trade that involves him we are going get nothing of equal value in return just because were the bobcats and people think they can rip us off. After raymonds good game against the Knicks we should look to trade him to Portland for Aldridge. It works in the checker but i dont know if that is enough to get LMA. Maybe throw in a 2nd rounder. Thoughts?

From PBN.com (the same people reporting Crash is out):

the Portland Trail Blazers have been seeking out teams for a blockbuster move as well, with no one outside of Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy considered untouchable.

[DirtyU11]

It would take a whole lot more than Ray and a 2nd for LMA. A WHOLE LOT more.

How about Wallace and Felton for Frye, Outlaw, and Webster (Trade works)

[Ampsportsduo]

After raymonds good game against the Knicks we should look to trade him to Portland for Aldridge. It works in the checker but i dont know if that is enough to get LMA. Maybe throw in a 2nd rounder. Thoughts?

From PBN.com (the same people that said Crash was on his way out):
"the Portland Trail Blazers have been seeking out teams for a blockbuster move as well, with no one outside of Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy considered untouchable."

[Ampsportsduo]

How about Wallace and Felton for Frye, Outlaw, and Webster (Trade works)

The Blazers have a surplus of PGs, Webster and Outlaw are cheaper versions of Crash, but Frye might be doable.

[ammofan]

sobody on RealGM metioned Vince carter....

I think he said....
Charlotte Gets: Carter, D. harris, and Area 51
NJ Gets: Morrison(NO!), Wallace, Felton, and other stuff

[kjk2241]

I am a fan of Crash, but I am a bigger fan of the Bobcats. If, and this is a big if, we do trade Wallace and get a PF we will not get equal value in our eyes because that is what happens when you trade a SF for a big. Bigs are worth more and for our team a PF will make us better because we are very week inside.

Now, reality: LMA, Boozer, Odom all pipe dreams in my opinion. LMA is a young star who's playing great and we have nothing to offer them. Boozer is an all-star. Yes he wants out but we are not going to get him for Crash and if we do I will nut myself. Odom would be great but i don't see LA doing it because they were so close last yr and this year they get back Bynum.

Small Possibilities in my eyes: Make one of the Harrington - Lee - Curry trades. I dont see us getting both Lee and Curry without giving up more than Wallace. I dont want to give up on Ammo and Felton yet either.

Ammo has been playing above my expectations and Felton is the best point we have right now and I stress right now.

I would give up Carroll or Nazr but who would take them? Their contracts are not attractive and the only way we can hope about giving them up is if we trade Crash and one of them for something less than Crash.

But thats just my opinion.

[ammofan]

I can see us getting lee and curry......I actually wouldn't mind that. If LB does it you have to trust taht he likes those guys and thinks they can do more than what Gerald is doing because he wouldn't trade for two guys he coached and ruined his rep with......

[ohara831]

I can see us getting lee and curry......I actually wouldn't mind that. If LB does it you have to trust taht he likes those guys and thinks they can do more than what Gerald is doing because he wouldn't trade for two guys he coached and ruined his rep with......

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Exactly!

[ammofan]

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Exactly!



yeah i mean....Obviously there is something about Gerald that is hidden from us. No other team would trade a potential 20-10 guy UNLESS there was something management does not like

[BobcatsAllDay]

yeah i mean....Obviously there is something about Gerald that is hidden from us. No other team would trade a potential 20-10 guy UNLESS there was something management does not like

He is not a threat on the perimeter. He's a great slasher but everybody can't be a slasher because once teams pick-up on that everybody we face will pack it in and dare us to shoot (see last year). I think Larry's looking for a slasher w/ range. Who knows.......

[Muttley]

The GSW-NYK-CHA trade works if you replace Gerald with Carroll and Nazr. Not sure if any of the other teams would do it, but it would be cool with me.

[Dead_Real]

I must only be me but I fail to see how trading a core/borderline all star player for an unmotivated Sean May clone and another big who's D is questionable and is limited offensively makes us better. With the f*cked up Bobcats TV situation and possible moves like this it wouldn't surprise me if Seattle gets their replacement team in the near future the Seattle Bobcats.

Word is Lee lost his starting job to Wilson Chandler.

[Alex]

Noooooooo don't trade Crash!

[DirtyU11]

Heres my trade idea to get us where we need to be.

Sean May and Nazr for Eddy Curry

then trade Felton for Channing Frye and Sergio Rodriguez

Portland gets out of paying Frye big money after the season and get a starting quality point to pair with Roy in the backcourt. we end up looking like this

DJ/Rodriguez/S.Brown
Jrich/S.Brown/Carroll
Wallace/Dudley/Morrison
Oakafor/Ajinca/A.Brown
Frye/Curry/Hollins

thats a solid team to me

I also like Felton, Wallace, Morrison, and May for Vince Carter, Williams, and Harris

that gives us an aging but still explosive scorer, a tall rebounding shot blocking big, and a legit pg in return. thats a fair trade both ways.

[mrtarheel]

With the Knicks wanting to dump salaries for Harrington and GSW not having a backup Center if we were to give up Wallace we would have to get Randolph from GSW. They would have no use for him. He would be buried on the bench behind Wallace, Maggette and sometimes Jackson. The only way a deal with wallace gets done it has to be with either Nazr or Carroll. That frees us some cap space and gives us some wiggle room.

[G-Force for MVP]

i dont want vince carter at all

[dav7z]

After being at the game tonight ive decided we look as good or better with the Hammer playing in Wallaces place. Last year we looked better when Wallace was hurt and Hammer started. Tonight Wallace and Swish -22 Hammer and Morrison +27 . A Wallace trade might be in ordor because Hammer and Morrison more than heald thair own???????

[Bobcat Matt]

it would make ZERO since to trade wallace...period.

[Bobcat Matt]

guess im too jazzed after tonites win ---- i meant zero SENSE ----- i think im losing my voice too - great game, great loud crowd

[G-Force for MVP]

i thought more people would be in the crowd tonight. There were a lot of empty seats

[BRNC]

I think all the speculation goes back to the fact that we have too many wings...and if you are really trying to improve your team you have to give to get...I've had the feeling that the FO is willing to trade Crash but is not willing to trade him without getting value that helps the team in return...if my speculation is correct I finally applaud them...Reality is who else can we trade that will give us value in return and not destroy the season (no one IMO)...

I would hate to see Gerald go but if it is the only way we can get better so be it...but we'd better get better if we do trade him is all I ask...

[bozzy]

i thought more people would be in the crowd tonight. There were a lot of empty seats

Given the slow start and the fact that they aren't on TV for most people, I suspect it is going to be like that all year unless they start winning more.

[Bobcat Matt]

bonnel posted an article just now - about GW in a 3 team deal - where we get fat slob curry---dont we already have 1 fat slob in may? WHY would we take on a lazy ass like curry??? and his salary?? he would be a TERRIBLE fit here...he goes against everything our team stands for...I honestly will be VERY upset if GW gets traded, ESPECIALLY if its for Curry...I think we need to hang on to the core of j rich gw and mek at all costs....i just dont see the need for curry...I HOPE the rumors are just that, RUMORS....GW means a lot to this franchise

[dav7z]

i thought more people would be in the crowd tonight. There were a lot of empty seats

My wife and i was talking about how many we thought was thair . We was guessing at about 10,000 to 12, 000. But in the fourth it sounded like the house was packed.

[Muttley]

bonnel posted an article just now - about GW in a 3 team deal - where we get fat slob curry---dont we already have 1 fat slob in may? WHY would we take on a lazy ass like curry??? and his salary?? he would be a TERRIBLE fit here...he goes against everything our team stands for...I honestly will be VERY upset if GW gets traded, ESPECIALLY if its for Curry...I think we need to hang on to the core of j rich gw and mek at all costs....i just dont see the need for curry...I HOPE the rumors are just that, RUMORS....GW means a lot to this franchise
Replacing Crash with Curry would seem absurd to me. I know we could use another big man, but can't even see how we're breaking even in that trade.

[countryboi]

no way the bobcats trade wallace for curry....curry is out of shape if not more so than may...what are we going to do with the only person in the league more out of shape that may?

[dav7z]

It must be somthing to it CRASH don't seem to like it to good. Bonnell all so brought up Feltons name. Im not wild about it either a straight up Curry for Crash , We would have to at least have to get a couple first in the deal too.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/423/story/306493.html

[coordinator0]

no way the bobcats trade wallace for curry....curry is out of shape if not more so than may...what are we going to do with the only person in the league more out of shape that may?

Enter them both in the World Hot Dog Eating Contest. Either one of them would beat out Chestnut or the Japanese guy. :)

[Ghost Kat]

I promise i will start a revolt if they trade Crash for Curry. I don't want any of the bigs on NY's roster. Curry has never play'd good ... anywhere. If we bring him in it will just stamp lame duck on the FO. I try not to hate on the FO to much but this would break it for me. Wallace is a fan fav. for his hustle. He comes to play every night, sometimes hurt. I would hate to see him go since he alone fills so many holes we have but if it betters the team so be it. But Eddie Curry? Eddie Fucking Curry? I promise you today, right now, i will start a middle ages pitch fork and torches style revolt if they trade Crash for any below average players.
:mad:

[TheBeagle]

My wife and i was talking about how many we thought was thair . We was guessing at about 10,000 to 12, 000. But in the fourth it sounded like the house was packed. The official numbers are 13,500, but the number of people that showed up is more like 12,250. And yes, when the Cats are getting it done, the noise and energy is there no matter if it's a capacity crowd.

And once more, just say "no" to Curry! Honestly, nobody in their right mind even wants this guy unless it was a league minimum. He's got a bum leg as it is and doesn't even dress out; he's overweight; he's got an unfriendly contract. Brook Lopez is a better fit with Mek than the trainwreck that is Eddy Curry. I'm confident this deal won't go down, especially after tonight's game: no way could Curry handle David West like GW did tonight. They'll be lucky to get a 2nd rounder straight up for Eddy Curry....seriously. Who the hell wants this guy?

[ohara831]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081108-09

Looks like the Cats are interested in Curry, but GS not in Crash.

[MattD]

wow i really dont want curry here. mm

[coordinator0]

I promise i will start a revolt if they trade Crash for Curry. I don't want any of the bigs on NY's roster. Curry has never play'd good ... anywhere. If we bring him in it will just stamp lame duck on the FO. I try not to hate on the FO to much but this would break it for me. Wallace is a fan fav. for his hustle. He comes to play every night, sometimes hurt. I would hate to see him go since he alone fills so many holes we have but if it betters the team so be it. But Eddie Curry? Eddie Fucking Curry? I promise you today, right now, i will start a middle ages pitch fork and torches style revolt if they trade Crash for any below average players.
:mad:

I will build a couple of catapults and raise an army of rogue knights. Then my army and I will travel down to Charlotte on horseback and meet up with your revolt where we will then proceed to drive the FO out of North Carolina letting the people with real basketball IQ take over, the people on this board!:)

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Interesting tidbit. The Denver Nuggets bought out Antonio McDyesses contract and this may be an option for at least this season. McDyess won't be in the league for long so a long term locked down contract is not a concern for a guy as old as he is. Still McDyess is aware of LB's system and might help the Bobcats. He can post up and is a solid defender with rebounding skills. My only concern where McDyess is concerned is whether he can log starters minutes. Still, if we could sign him and not have to make some dumb ass trade, that would be nice. We could cut a marginal player to make room under the salary cap.

[dav7z]

The artical read NY dont want him either because of 2010 free agency. This might turn out good for us as we don't want Curry any way. And it seems as if the only other player is Portland and at worst we get decent players in return if we trade with them.


http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=849858


Portlands thoughts instresting

[ammofan]

something will be done.....I can just feel it.
After reading Geralds comments about the trade in the paper today it seems like he was kinda ticked off about it.

[DanielWheeler]

What about this deal?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990~2772~1711~1981~2754~454~27 53~3016~1026&teams=22~30~30~30~4~18~22~22~4&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990%7E2772%7E1711%7E1981%7E275 4%7E454%7E2753%7E3016%7E1026&teams=22%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E4%7E18%7E22%7E22%7E4&te=&cash=)

Chicago Trades: Drew Gooden and Kirk Hinrich
Chicago Receives: Gerald Wallace and Channing Frye

Good deal for Chicago because they essentially trade out Hinrich's salary in a position they have talent at already with another piece to help out Derrick Rose. This deal makes a ton of sense to Chicago if they feel that they cannot retain Ben Gordon (which sounds like it won't happen). Channing Frye is a good young body to make up for Gooden leaving.

Charlotte Trades: Adam Morrison, Raymond Felton, and Gerald Wallace
Charlotte Receives: Drew Gooden, Kirk Hinrich, and David Lee

Good deal for Charlotte because they have a pressing need at Big man depth. Okafor and Mohammed are the only legit threats they got with May trying to get healthy and Ajinca being a work in progress. Gooden provides an excellent body at PF for the Bobcats that complements Okafor real good. Lee has the versatility to be a SF, but the size to not be torn up at PF when needed. Hinrich actually makes the Bobcats a better team at PG for the short term, but Charlotte has to move Felton before they lose him for nothing.

New York Trades: Eddy Curry and David Lee
New York Receives: Raef LaFrentz

Good deal for New York because they are clearly trying to get under the cap. LaFrentz gives them 12-13 million dollars off the books after this season. The combination of Marbury and LaFrentz's salaries coming off saves them a ton of money after this season. New York needs to find a way to get someone to take over Curry's salary and to find a team that will be able to sign David Lee.

Portland Trades: Raef LaFrentz and Channing Frye
Portland Receives: Adam Morrison, Eddy Curry, and Raymond Felton

Good deal for Portland because they get three things out of this deal: an excellent shooter that fits well in Portland and is a local boy, so maybe he'll be more comfortable being back near home, A big man who has good potential under the right coaching, and a very good young PG that works well with the talent around Portland. Giving up some big expiring contracts hurt, but they get three players who can help them out immediately and in the future.

[Superman]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2458/bobcattradecv4.jpg

[dav7z]

For Wallace Morrison , Felton
for Godden, Hindrich, Lee , If we do that we get cleaned ,
Hindrich contract no way we take on that. Hes no better than Felton
We would be giving up way to much for such little return
1st Wallace should net us Frye,Outlaw and Rodriguz with Portland
2nd Nazz and May should net us Curry with NY.
If we went that way we look like
1 Felton, Augustin, Rodriguz
2 Rich, Carroll, S.Brown
3 Outlaw, Morrison, Johnson
4 Frye, ,A Brown, Alexas
5 Mek, Curry, Hollins
We deep we big and most of our core stays intact,
Most Portland fans love the deal. And it gives them a very good small foward and gives them one of the best starting fives in basketball.
Portland board

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=849858


NY does this to get rid of Curry and get a big in return. All so they get a expiring to help in the king James stakes. Curry played well for Brown and i would expect him to do so again.
We become very big and very balanced. And Wallace is the only part of our core hurt badly.
We giving up nothing in May and not much in Nazz contract wize. Curry out of shape is much better than Nazz, And Curry will exeal in Browns system.

[SWedd523]

I like the May+Nazr for Curry
and Wallace for Frye+Outlaw/Rodriguez etc.


Thats just about the only deal I've approved of lately. I really HATE to get rid of Wallace but thats a solid 3 for 3 deal that would make us better in the end. Plus, Curry's salary coming off the books would open some cap space for the star-studded 2010 class if I believe correctly?


Can some of the salary gurus let me know if the salaries match up with those deals?

[DanielWheeler]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776~568~990&teams=18~18~30&te=&cash=

Good and...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1026~2754~2015~3025&teams=22~30~30~30&te=&cash=

Good.

Both deals work by the Salary cap

[99problems]

I would do the Portland deal, love Outlaw. We would have to cut two people though right?

I don't want anything to do with Curry. He's just horrible.

[SWedd523]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2776~568~990&teams=18~18~30&te=&cash=

Good and...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1026~2754~2015~3025&teams=22~30~30~30&te=&cash=

Good.

Both deals work by the Salary cap

LOL! Look at Eddy Curry's picture in that first link:biggrin::D:p

[BobCatsFanInTx]

What about this deal?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990~2772~1711~1981~2754~454~27 53~3016~1026&teams=22~30~30~30~4~18~22~22~4&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990%7E2772%7E1711%7E1981%7E275 4%7E454%7E2753%7E3016%7E1026&teams=22%7E30%7E30%7E30%7E4%7E18%7E22%7E22%7E4&te=&cash=)

Chicago Trades: Drew Gooden and Kirk Hinrich
Chicago Receives: Gerald Wallace and Channing Frye

Good deal for Chicago because they essentially trade out Hinrich's salary in a position they have talent at already with another piece to help out Derrick Rose. This deal makes a ton of sense to Chicago if they feel that they cannot retain Ben Gordon (which sounds like it won't happen). Channing Frye is a good young body to make up for Gooden leaving.

Charlotte Trades: Adam Morrison, Raymond Felton, and Gerald Wallace
Charlotte Receives: Drew Gooden, Kirk Hinrich, and David Lee

Good deal for Charlotte because they have a pressing need at Big man depth. Okafor and Mohammed are the only legit threats they got with May trying to get healthy and Ajinca being a work in progress. Gooden provides an excellent body at PF for the Bobcats that complements Okafor real good. Lee has the versatility to be a SF, but the size to not be torn up at PF when needed. Hinrich actually makes the Bobcats a better team at PG for the short term, but Charlotte has to move Felton before they lose him for nothing.

New York Trades: Eddy Curry and David Lee
New York Receives: Raef LaFrentz

Good deal for New York because they are clearly trying to get under the cap. LaFrentz gives them 12-13 million dollars off the books after this season. The combination of Marbury and LaFrentz's salaries coming off saves them a ton of money after this season. New York needs to find a way to get someone to take over Curry's salary and to find a team that will be able to sign David Lee.

Portland Trades: Raef LaFrentz and Channing Frye
Portland Receives: Adam Morrison, Eddy Curry, and Raymond Felton

Good deal for Portland because they get three things out of this deal: an excellent shooter that fits well in Portland and is a local boy, so maybe he'll be more comfortable being back near home, A big man who has good potential under the right coaching, and a very good young PG that works well with the talent around Portland. Giving up some big expiring contracts hurt, but they get three players who can help them out immediately and in the future.I personally like your trade scenarios. Heinrich is not far removed from being a pretty good pg. I think he will rebound somewhere down the line and could be a solid compliment to some other team in the NBA. I could see Heinrich being a good fit for us playing under Larry Brown. With that said the Bobcats are still growing as a team under Larry Brown and the only player that has any real value on the team that could land us the coveted starting PF we desperately need is Crash. Our point guards are going to grow in my opinion under the tutelage of Larry Brown. We should at least wait til the end of November before we uproot a possible position of strength.

[SWedd523]

I would do the Portland deal, love Outlaw. We would have to cut two people though right?

I don't want anything to do with Curry. He's just horrible.

I'd be willing to trade Sean May and Nazr for him though.


He actually played okay under LB when he was the coach in NY.
Sean May is a bust, and is a useless piece of cancer that needs to be cut from our team.
I love Nazr, but he's old and his contract blows, so if we can move him then okay.
I believe Curry is making about $10mil a year so him coming off the books for the '09/'10 offseason is okay by me.

[G-Force for MVP]

sean may is a slob get him off the team please

[Marvel]

If Wallace does leave i will support him just as much as i did with him playing in a Bobcats jersey.And i am getting excited about this shake up about time,it was inevitable that this team needed a change,i just hope we get some worthy players in exchange.Enough of this Linton Johnson,Justin Williams no names signings gotdamn.

[polarcat]

personally, i hope we deal with portland. of all the teams mentioned, that team looks like the best match for potential trades. curry doesn't fit, lee is possible, but he'd have to be locked up into a deal, and gs doesn't need what we want to offer. outlaw is a younger version of wallace and frye is the 4 we need. personally, i'd rather have a banger like boozer down low, but what team is letting going to let go of that kind of pf? frye compliments oak and i would think that outlaw could play a little of the 4 as well if needed. this team needs a shake up and like marvel said.... something above nbdl fringe players please!

[99problems]

Sean May isn't costing us much so I would like to keep him because I think he can help this team. Curry is making $12 mill a year I believe, it's just not worth it.

I don't really see the need to bring in another PG, either, because I think Augustin would end up sitting too much to help him develop.

I think we need a true center ready to come in and make an impact....Josh Boone and Charlie V are out there, not sure if the Nets or Bucks would be interested though.

I still like the Portland deal, but not sure if Outlaw/Frye/Okafor is a better lineup than Wallace/Dudley/Okafor....probably is though.

[ELEVATION]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2754~2015~308~2753~1026&teams=30~30~9~30~9~22&te=&cash=

what about this one?

POR sends: Rodriguez, Frye, Outlaw
gets: Gerald Wallace

CHA sends: Gerald Wallace, Raymond Felton
gets: RODRIGUEZ, Channing Frye, Al Harrington

GSW send: Al Harrington
GSW get: Travis Outlaw, Raymond Felton

Seems like a winner on all sides to me. :confused:

[spectre]

That's not bad, but the Observer said we weren't interested in Harrington as he's a 3/4 vs. a 4. I also doubt LB would run with just DJ & Rodriguez as his PGs.

There's a similar deal of Outlaw/Frye/Rodriquez (or Blake) for Crash running around on the trade boards. I think I'd prefer that over this one as Outlaw is similar to a poor man's Crash.

Wasn't it last year we played them in POR and Outlaw was their go to guy in the 4th? Dude was sinking shot after shot from midrange. I'd rather him over Harrington.

Course I'd rather just keep Crash.

[x2pacalypse]

ill send one of sean may's stomach's and amm0's leftover dip cans to portland for outlaw and frye, i think they still come out ahead cuz may's stomach is known to pack balls (of sausage)

[TheLegend]

Curry for Wallace? If that happen I'll shoot myself.

[BRNC]

No Curry period...we're not playing Nazr so why trade for a gut making twice as much not to play him? No to Lee...I'm not sold on him at all...he has not looked good this year in any of the games I've watched the Knicks play...Curry and Lee will not make us a better team IMO...

I'm all for most of the Portland trade scenarios (hate to loose Gerald though) because I think they have a better chance of making the team better...

[coordinator0]

Sean May isn't costing us much so I would like to keep him because I think he can help this team. Curry is making $12 mill a year I believe, it's just not worth it.

I don't really see the need to bring in another PG, either, because I think Augustin would end up sitting too much to help him develop.

I think we need a true center ready to come in and make an impact....Josh Boone and Charlie V are out there, not sure if the Nets or Bucks would be interested though.

I still like the Portland deal, but not sure if Outlaw/Frye/Okafor is a better lineup than Wallace/Dudley/Okafor....probably is though.

Charlie V is not a true center, he's more of a 3/4 like Harrington. I als believe that he is in the last year of his contract so it may be a one-and-done type of thing if we got him. Josh Boone wouldn't be a bad pick-up, but I'd rather have Sean Williams beause I one of the people that believe Okafor is a center, not a power forard.

[SWedd523]

I think we need a true center ready to come in and make an impact....Josh Boone and Charlie V are out there, not sure if the Nets or Bucks would be interested though.

If we wanted a true center we would've drafted Brook Lopez and not have to give anything up. Okafor is our Center.

We need a PF at this point, which is why I don't understand these trades for Curry

[millst2]

I would rather hold on a may trade, and see what he does when he gets in shape.

Also I agree with the majority of the people here, why the hell would we trade one of if not the most dynamic player we have? getting rid of wallace is a bad move.

I think we try and shop ok50's weak @#$. He plays with no heart, he got his paycheck and I see this yr he does enough to skate by and holding his NBA title of the most shots blocked per attempt.

And why the hell would you trade Ammo. He has been one of our better scorers and is really playing to win, unlike mek!

Send Mek and carroll to golden state or somewhere and keep wallace, may , ammo, felton.


A lot of teams think we are idiots apparently. They think since we are struggling we are going to give up cheap contracts for expensive longer term contracts. So what we have had a slow start, so has San An but you do not see Pop or the front office trying to disect their whole team in the 1st 5 games.

[MattD]

I think we try and shop ok50's weak @#$. He plays with no heart


i might have said the same thing last year, but have you watched him this year? I strongly disagree

[SWedd523]

I would rather hold on a may trade, and see what he does when he gets in shape.

Also I agree with the majority of the people here, why the hell would we trade one of if not the most dynamic player we have? getting rid of wallace is a bad move.

I think we try and shop ok50's weak @#$. He plays with no heart, he got his paycheck and I see this yr he does enough to skate by and holding his NBA title of the most shots blocked per attempt.

And why the hell would you trade Ammo. He has been one of our better scorers and is really playing to win, unlike mek!

Send Mek and carroll to golden state or somewhere and keep wallace, may , ammo, felton.


A lot of teams think we are idiots apparently. They think since we are struggling we are going to give up cheap contracts for expensive longer term contracts. So what we have had a slow start, so has San An but you do not see Pop or the front office trying to disect their whole team in the 1st 5 games.


If we trade away Mek, why don't we just implode our entire team and start brand new?:rolleyes:


Have you guys been keeping up with our team? we're 2-3 and it's looking like we have a good shot of being .500 by the end of today. This is with Mek playing just about the ENTIRE game.

If we didn't have him then we'd be nowhere near where we are now. He's a solid guy and one of the only to average 10/10 for the past while. Unless we can get an IMPACT big man, I would not trade him for anything.

The fact that you would rather keep the cancer that is May and trade away our most consistent player is mind boggling

[Chef]

mek is terrible and has been for the past 2 seasons. anytime he plays someone his own size he can't do anything offensively. he can't catch and really hasn't been blocking any shots this year. in my opinion, anyone who is 6'10" or taller and can't average 10/10 is pretty sad, so don't say he averages a double/double. he is getting paid to average 20/10.

[Muttley]

Trading Emeka would be dumb. I feel he's got lots of heart, he just doesn't wear it on his sleeves like some other people. I don't understand STILL wanting to hang on to May (what is this, chance #4 or something?), but wanting to get rid of Okafor. Dude was sick and still played today.

[ziggy]

Whenever people talk about trading Emeka, I always ask who can we trade him for that would get us 13pts, be a top 10 rebounder (11rpg), block 1.5 shots a game and shot 60% from the field?

People with that skillset don't get traded.

[ammofan]

order to trade out players and why:
1. Wallace(We need a big....he gets destroyed down low and I feel comfortable with adam and Dude at the 3 judging by their play so far)
2. Mek(No heart. he doesn't seem like he wants to win-he is non-existent even if he does get 13-11)
3. DJ(Yes he is a rookie BUT Felton is looking good and maybe we just need a veteran point to back up ray)

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Thank God for this fact...

Notes & quotes: As the Knicks continue to shop Eddy Curry, some interest is starting to develop. The Bobcats are one potential suitor, but according to ESPN.com, they are looking to swap swingman Gerald Wallace, who has a four-year, $37.9-million contract that doesn't fit in the Knicks' plans to have salary-cap room in 2010.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix095919867nov09,0,6684844.story

[BobCatsFanInTx]

order to trade out players and why:
1. Wallace(We need a big....he gets destroyed down low and I feel comfortable with adam and Dude at the 3 judging by their play so far)
2. Mek(No heart. he doesn't seem like he wants to win-he is non-existent even if he does get 13-11)
3. DJ(Yes he is a rookie BUT Felton is looking good and maybe we just need a veteran point to back up ray)I feel DJ's upside is to big to get rid of him. I would rather keep DJ. Mek is non existent for long stretches and I doubt he will ever be an all star type of C/PF. With that said he is still an important contributor for what he does give us and unless we could get an all star type to replace him I in no way would want to trade him. I don't think we will ever get any real value for him. Crash or JRich are the only two players on our team that have any trade value and the way it looks, nobody wants Crash and JRich is out of the question to trade. I mean Crash for Curry is a trade where we would get screwed in the deal.

The fact that the Bobcats FO wants to make that trade with the NYK is disgusting.

As far as trading Felton or DJ, I would have to pass. Having solid depth at the pg spot is too valuable. I can't think of any veterans available aside from Kurt Heinrich that would be anywhere near what we have now from either of our pg's.

[millst2]

The thing with May is we know he has an upside, Mek is at his pinnacle and still plays when he feels the need to. I agree with several others here, mek is weak and inconsistent. Who cares if he plays sick, he gets paid big bucks to play.

Funny guys can call may a cancer then are blind to the fact that mek is a bigger one. He goes to the rim weak, he gets manhandled by other bigs and plays with no heart. Period.

Sean May may be out of shape, but can you tell me someone who wouldn't be after a yr and half with no running? Didnt think so. The fact that we are even having a discussion about the lack of heart and the crappy play of mek is odd. I have been to a lot of games, and almost every game i attend the one thing i can count on is Mek getting his shot blocked or going up to the rim weak as hell.

I am not saying Mek is a bad guy, hell I was in the ariport in charlotte , sat beside the guy waiting on a plane, he gave me his autograph and we chatted a few mins. But he still does not go to the rim with intensity.

I am not front office, but i would keep our roster the way it is and look for a fair swap for OK50. If May can't get in shape and log some productive minutes, can his ass too, but to say he is a cancer because being injured for 18 months with no running and extensive training, well we have all seen the guy play live, and make some nice points, boards etc. It is a mistake to trade him as we know he can bring the bobcats some good points, KEEP AMMO, CRASH, Swish Felts, and look to get rid of OK 50 would be the plan. The Cats knew nobody was going to pick his ass up, cause the rest of the league knows he has no gumption.

[Marvel]

I feel Okafor does play with no heart you can see it when he's on the court.I also feel that in Okafor's situation he should be grabbing 10rpg i mean who else is going to grab those boards Dudley?Shit i'm sure Andre Brown could average 10rpg if he gets the amount of playing time Okafor does.He hasn't improved either but i'll accept that,so we need a big with heart and passion and who is determined to win win win.

[ziggy]

I repeat...

Emeka is tied for 5th in the league in rebounding and he is currently 5th in the league in FG%

I wish he would dunk on people's head every now and then, but there is nobody that we could get in a trade that can replace his numbers.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

[coordinator0]

I repeat...

Emeka is tied for 5th in the league in rebounding and he is currently 5th in the league in FG%

I wish he would dunk on people's head every now and then, but there is nobody that we could get in a trade that can replace his numbers.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Yes! I completly agree with you. There are too many fans today that want highlight reel plays from their higher paid players. There isn't a reason that they shouldn't, but when a guy is putting up numbers as CONSISTENTLY as Okafor, he is well worth the money. Look at Tim Duncan. I'm not at all trying to compare these two, but he is one of the best that has ever played the game and he has never really put up highlights. He also isn't a player who wears his emotions on his sleeves to get his team fired up. Not everybody can be KG. The league isn't all about dunking or huge blocks. I believe in Emeka and I am extremely happy that he is undr contract for the next 4 or 5 years.

[Marvel]

Ziggy there are a handful of players out there that can get you double-doubles Okafor style on a nightly basis,Chandler,Kaman,Horford,Brad Miller,Big Z.We're not saying we want highlight reels from Okafor either you misunderstand our point of view here.What we are saying is Okafor doesn't play with heart or passion that a prominent big should play with,and he gets abused against the other elite bigs in the league,thing is when push comes to shove Okafor doesn't push or shove back.

[millst2]

Well I repeat , repeat!!

OK50 plays weak. Nobody here said that he cant play, but he is weak! The thread in this same forum talks about how much he gets his shots swatted. We can not do a trade for mek because nobody wants him.

I realize people pull for certain team members and sees issues with others, but I didnt say he sucked, I said he plays weak. he is a big enough guy to go strong to the rim, instead of a weak shot attempt. He holds out for a bigger contract and then he still goes weak to the rim. A lot of people here have given up on May, which is fine, but benching May is not going to get him in game shape. hell play him the closing 3-4 mins of the quarter or half. But that still which was part of this conversation has nothing to do with Mek's desire or determination to quit being a pansy. We have our little guys on the team out rebounding him.

he played 26 minutes tonight and went 3-8 shooting, 6 boards. That is in no way killing it or being consistent. But i am sure next game he will want to come out and play hard and he may score 15 pts so he can bring his average up a little. Against the hornets he played 40 mins for 10pts and 10 boards. I guess he likes to shine on the road in a bigger market as in the knicks game where he played 40 mins with 15 boards and 16 points.

Against the pistons he played 38 mins 11 pts and 5 boards. How do you guys figure he is solid and consistent??

Again I repeat all i am saying is he got his fat paycheck now, and we still see no change in his motivation or an increase in desire to win. Timmy D, all he wants to do is win, I realize you stated not a fair comparison, but it is all about winning for tim duncan. The man comes out to play day in and day out, takes a paycut to make his team better. If OK50 could have a tenth of that desire we would be winning more games.

[x2pacalypse]

lets start an official bid for paul millsap...at least we can use his rebounding hah

[SWedd523]

Well I repeat , repeat!!

OK50 plays weak. Nobody here said that he cant play, but he is weak!

at least Okafor PLAYS?

We drafted Sean May in 2005! He hasn't produced anything but flatulence and knee problems since he's been here. I don't understand how in the world you can defend Sean May. You say Mek has no heart. If Sean May had anywhere near the amount of heart that Okafor had, he would be out on the court playing and not out partying and pissing excellence.

He's played a total of what? 60 games? In this is his 4th year. I have no idea how anyone could say they'd rather have Sean May, Mr. McNugget on their team over Emeka Okafor.

Maybe Mek disappears on the court because he has no help? There is not a single other big man presence on the court besides him. He's one of the only guys we have that will battle for 40 minutes for some rebounds and put backs.


I ask you, envision a season where we have Sean May all season, performing as he has his entire career.. instead of Emeka Okafor. THEN let's see how many games this team wins:rolleyes:

[BRNC]

Well...I have not been back from the Raptors game that long (I have a long drive) but IMO EO50 is not the problem...-not having a big, athletic, intelligent 4 that can help defensively is a real problem...the team played a good game but fell apart the last 5-7 mins...

As far as EO50 having heart...he came to camp in shape...obviously worked on his free throw shooting...and seems to me that he shows up to play...I think he is what he is (a lot better than McMay will ever be) but we need another big, as I described, and until we get one we have this team...sometimes they will surprise and sometimes fall apart...this is still a fairly young team learning how to win consistently...I was pleased with the way the bench played today...they looked good...

[millst2]

Well for one i did not say sean may was the answer to mek50s pisspoor desire to win. I didn't say that May was the be all end all to our problems or the cure for okafors weak tendencies around the basket.

I said May had not played in 18 months, only been running on his legs for 6 weeks or so. So how the hell does that mean he is worthless?? I never said anything about May going to be the cure for this team, but when he is healthy he plays well.

Okafor on the other hand, plays like he is pumping Zoloft into his veins by IV. He has no heart. You can't possibly think that OK50 is giving his all game in and game out. he doesn't! He plays for a check, does what he can to get by, and hopes he can get traded to a bigger market for more money. We give him more cash and he plays WEAK. he does not have to be a KG or Timmy D, he just needs to be a fraction of that desire wise. He has no desire to win.

Some of you guys hoisting him up as the best player on the team or the piece we can not live without were the same people bashing him last year when he was sucking. The same people saying get rid of him when he was demanding more money.

I honestly would rather have a healthy May on my team than i would a weak ass OK50. May even with his limited injury prone career has averaged 10pts and 6 boards in 21 mins a game. When he played. .. Where as Okafor last season played every game and was a 39 mins per game for 12 pts 11 boards. Close to double the mins that May would have gotten for 2 pts and 5 boards.

Again just because I think that May will be solid, has a good basketball IQ and think once healthy he will improve our team does not mean I think he is the bobcats savior.

And I am sorry when someone or a few of us bring up the fact that Okafor plays with no heart or determination, goes to the rim weak seems to hurt your feelings.

[dnbman]

I was at the Heat and Hornets games and have watched a good chunk of the other games online.

Suffice to say, I'm pretty happy with what Okafor has done for us. He plays pretty solid D and gets a ton of big rebounds. I think the problems with Okafor are:

1. He's not aggressive enough on the offensive end in attacking the rim. He tries layups far too many times when he needs to power the ball down, hopefully getting a foul in the process. He's certainly capable, as he's dunked quite a few times this season. However, he still tries to play a finesse game too much when he's close to the rim.

2. We have very few people boxing out or able to get rebounds. Consequently, it's usually Okafor sandwiched between two other bigs trying to get a rebound. Our wings do a pretty good job of rebounding, but that's by being quick to track down longer rebounds, not battling underneath. Okafor is usually in there alone, with few of our guys ever boxing out our opponents.

I'm not sure what will solve the first problem. Maybe Okafor just needs to play more angry. He plays with heart in every other aspect of the game, so I don't think he lacks desire. The second problem will only be solved by acquiring or developing a legitimate power forward to play with Okafor.

One play where you could really see the lack of another inside presence was today when Okafor was covering a hot shooting Bargnani, but they had Bosh basically open underneath. Okafor knew Bosh would beat his man that close to the basket but also knew Barnani was draining outside shots. He was caught in the middle, with Bosh finally scoring down low anyway. If Okafor had a reliable big beside him, I don't think he would have been as concerned about trying to cover both guys.

[BRNC]

I agree 100%

[millst2]

I was at the Heat and Hornets games and have watched a good chunk of the other games online.

Suffice to say, I'm pretty happy with what Okafor has done for us. He plays pretty solid D and gets a ton of big rebounds. I think the problems with Okafor are:

1. He's not aggressive enough on the offensive end in attacking the rim. He tries layups far too many times when he needs to power the ball down, hopefully getting a foul in the process. He's certainly capable, as he's dunked quite a few times this season. However, he still tries to play a finesse game too much when he's close to the rim.

2. We have very few people boxing out or able to get rebounds. Consequently, it's usually Okafor sandwiched between two other bigs trying to get a rebound. Our wings do a pretty good job of rebounding, but that's by being quick to track down longer rebounds, not battling underneath. Okafor is usually in there alone, with few of our guys ever boxing out our opponents.

I'm not sure what will solve the first problem. Maybe Okafor just needs to play more angry. He plays with heart in every other aspect of the game, so I don't think he lacks desire. The second problem will only be solved by acquiring or developing a legitimate power forward to play with Okafor.

One play where you could really see the lack of another inside presence was today when Okafor was covering a hot shooting Bargnani, but they had Bosh basically open underneath. Okafor knew Bosh would beat his man that close to the basket but also knew Barnani was draining outside shots. He was caught in the middle, with Bosh finally scoring down low anyway. If Okafor had a reliable big beside him, I don't think he would have been as concerned about trying to cover both guys.

Agree, he just needs to get agressive. As I stated in my last post the issue is weak to the rim. maybe your right, maybe he does need to get angry and play. I do not doubt the lack of May or another PF on the floor would help but the topic is just that Okafor needs to go strong, draw more fouls or force himself to be double teamed.

Right now other teams know they do not have to worry about double teaming our squad. But if Okafor can get angry and more agressive and go to the basket hard instead of weak, the other teams may take notice and try to slap a double team on him freeing up someone else around the top of the key. May is our missing piece at the moment. But as I stated before preseason here on BP, we all knew he was not going to be in game condition. It takes a lot more than training camp and practice to get in shape, you need to get out and play against an opposing team and trying to match their intensity. But I also said after 20 games played for May if he can not get it right, trade his ass. So i am not a diehard may fan. but we know he has talent and can score.

But okafor needs to quit going so weak to the rim, play more agressive hence the word desire was thrown up. How does a reporter ask a player about how many times they get their shot blocked and you say " I didnt know I was getting that many stuffed". Players know their stats, thats like saying a financial advisor or day trader not knowing what his win ratio on picks is.

[dnbman]

But okafor needs to quit going so weak to the rim, play more agressive hence the word desire was thrown up. How does a reporter ask a player about how many times they get their shot blocked and you say " I didnt know I was getting that many stuffed". Players know their stats, thats like saying a financial advisor or day trader not knowing what his win ratio on picks is.

I completely agree about dunking, as I mentioned earlier.

I just don't evaluate Okafor's contributions based on that factor. Yeah, Okafor would be a lot better if he dunked strong and drew a double team often. However, there are only a few guys in the league who are great interior defenders, great rebounders, and great interior scorers. It would be nice to have one of them, but I'm content to have a C on our team who is great overall and not costing us over $20 million per year.

[BRNC]

...and with an athletic 4 to help offensively and defensively EO50 will be better...

[lancer]

simple look a PF free agent. IS van Horn, P.J. Brown, Michael Sweetney, Juwan Howard can help Okafor? I think he can Okafor.

[Slam]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990~308~3455~3039~1703~2807~27 53~568~1026&teams=26~18~30~30~30~9~9~26~9&te=&cash=

Charlotte Out:
Crash
Felts
Nazzy

Charlotte In:
Boozer
A. Randolph
M.Williams

GSW Out:
Harrington
A.Randolph
M.Williams

GSW In:
Felts
Crash
Price

Jazz Out:
Boozer
Price

Jazz In:
Curry
Nazzy

Knicks Out:
Curry

Knicks In:
Harrington

Just spitballing ideas!!

[SWedd523]

It doesn't hurt my feelings, I just think it's amazing how you can put faith in Sean May and try and give him the benefit of the doubt when he's had 4 years to prove himself and hasn't done shit.


How can you say HE has any type of desire to play? If I had anywhere near his talent you best believe I wouldn't be sitting on my ass eating cheetos. Kenyon Martin didn't come back out of shape after having micro-fracture surgery on BOTH of his knees. Amare came back EARLY and wasn't out of shape.

I'm tired of the excuses for May. He had 2 years before to lose weight and play like he deserves it. He could've lifted weights during the summer to get stronger, he could've ran cardio to work himself back in, there's plenty of options for him. He flat out DOESN'T CARE.

When he was "healthy", all he could give us was 10/6. I'll take Mek's 15/10/2 over May's 10/6/.5 anyday

[x2pacalypse]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=990~308~3455~3039~1703~2807~27 53~568~1026&teams=26~18~30~30~30~9~9~26~9&te=&cash=

Charlotte Out:
Crash
Felts
Nazzy

Charlotte In:
Boozer
A. Randolph
M.Williams

GSW Out:
Harrington
A.Randolph
M.Williams

GSW In:
Felts
Crash
Price

Jazz Out:
Boozer
Price

Jazz In:
Curry
Nazzy

Knicks Out:
Curry

Knicks In:
Harrington

Just spitballing ideas!!

lol the jazz get uber fucked in that one and the knicks make out like bandits

[millst2]

It doesn't hurt my feelings, I just think it's amazing how you can put faith in Sean May and try and give him the benefit of the doubt when he's had 4 years to prove himself and hasn't done shit.

He could've lifted weights during the summer to get stronger, he could've ran cardio to work himself back in, there's plenty of options for him. He flat out DOESN'T CARE.

He did lift weights, and how the hell you going to run cardio on crutches?? wtf

When he was "healthy", all he could give us was 10/6. I'll take Mek's 15/10/2 over May's 10/6/.5 anyday

Yeah I guess mek is worth 40 mins a game and 15/10 and an assload of blocked shots. Instead of having may healthy for a fraction of the cost that can produce just as much if you consider minutes played per point/board. I think you have it in your head OK50 is a superstar. You act like I am a May Cheerleader, I simply said that he hasnt played in 18 months, unlike Amare! And needs to actually log minutes to get in game shape. Okafor is overpaid and is weak is the point being made. A few of us agree okafor is lacking heart and weak ( you know the same you feel about May ), it is my opinion, but made evident every game I pay money to watch. The whole thread was about trading crash, therefore I said it would be idiotic and if we need to make a trade, get rid of O-they blocked my shot -again kafor.))

[Slam]

lol the jazz get uber fucked in that one and the knicks make out like bandits
So here's part of the thinking:

The Jazz make the move because they are looking at maybe losing Boozer for nothing at the end of the season. They are also competing for a spot in the NBA finals, so they don't want to take a step back. Check out their roster. You know who their back up C is? Collins!! Jarron freaking Collins!! That's a SERIOUS lack of depth. They make this move to move Okur to the 4 and play Curry at the 5. Okur has range, Curry has post scoring. Sloan runs a very deliberate half court offense which would suit Curry and having a guy like D.Will getting him the ball would make him shine. Nazzy is a very serviceable back up 5 - and a WHOLE lot better than Jarron freaking Collins!!

D.Will - BK
Brewer - Miles
AK47 - Korver
Okur - Milsap
Curry - Nazzy

Harrington's trade value is VERY low right now, he can also opt out at the end of the season (like Boozer) so the Knicks risk losing him for nothing at the end of the season - so I don't think they make out like bandits.

[TheBeagle]

The whole thread was about trading crash, therefore I said it would be idiotic and if we need to make a trade, get rid of O-they blocked my shot -again kafor.)):biggrin: That was pretty damn funny!

My only thoughts on this debate are:

1. It would help if Mek would get angry attacking the rim

2. It would do him wonders, statistically as well as emotionally, probably, to get a legit 4 to work alongside him.

3. Mek has plenty of heart. I remember last season, when he was so frustrated about what Hammy was doing with him and how he confided in Bonnell of all people, among others: this guy wants to win!

4. It honestly wouldn't make much sense to trade him. Has he been worn out by any teams' center yet this year? Haslem and Sheed knocked down some perimeter shots, but nobody has pushed him around on the blocks on their offensive end; what he did to Chandler Friday night was highly impressive and isn't represented in stats. Of course, Dwight wears him out, but Dwight wears out the league, so that's a wash.

5. ANYBODY on our roster is tradeable, ONLY if we're getting equal value in return.

[SWedd523]

Yeah I guess mek is worth 40 mins a game and 15/10 and an assload of blocked shots. Instead of having may healthy for a fraction of the cost that can produce just as much if you consider minutes played per point/board. I think you have it in your head OK50 is a superstar. You act like I am a May Cheerleader, I simply said that he hasnt played in 18 months, unlike Amare! And needs to actually log minutes to get in game shape. Okafor is overpaid and is weak is the point being made. A few of us agree okafor is lacking heart and weak ( you know the same you feel about May ), it is my opinion, but made evident every game I pay money to watch. The whole thread was about trading crash, therefore I said it would be idiotic and if we need to make a trade, get rid of O-they blocked my shot -again kafor.))

coulda woulda shoulda. You keep talking about what May could do, what May can do, what May would do.

May doesn't do shit. If you give Ajinca the same amount of minutes as Mek then he's going to average somewhere around 20 rebounds a game.:rolleyes:

I'm tired of hearing about Sean May's potential. He's a scrub, plain and simple. I'll gladly take Okafor over McMay any day of the week and I'll leave it at that. I'm clearly NOT calling him a superstar or top talent in the league. What I AM saying is that he's better than anything May ever was and ever will be, period.


There's no disputing the fact that Sean "Are you gonna eat dat?" May is a scrub and nothing more.

[Marvel]

I think O-i-didn't-know-how-many-times-i-get-my-shots-blocked-kafor needs a quicker more athletic 4 to help him out that's all,and Sean 'screw you guys i'm eating instead of training' May needs to vacate.Now why can't Felton work the pick n roll like Chris Paul and Chandler do.Gotdamn i didn't watch the game today but i just seen the highlights and the arena was *echoes* empty empty empty empty empty empty empty.Not looking good for the Bobcats future.

[Chef]

nobody seems to be talking about the fact that mek has absolutely zero offensive skills. can't shoot, can't post, inconsistent with the baby hook, can't catch in traffic, can't defend true centers. we can't replace his numbers with a vet, but could work a trade for a suitable backup center or athletic pf and a few draft picks. what can we lose? we take a chance on getting lucky in the lottery and land the kid from oklahoma or another talented prospect. with oak at center we are never better than a 1st round playoff team and we can't do anything with free agency for years. at least crash is productive. again, i ask, what player 6'10" getting paid like oak couldn't put up a weak double double playing 30 or minutes a game?

[Slam]

again, i ask, what player 6'10" getting paid like oak couldn't put up a weak double double playing 30 or minutes a game?
Eddy Eurry
Sam Dalembert
Darius Miles
Reaf LaFrentz
Ben Wallace
Mark Blount
Tyson Chandler
Mehmet Okur

to name a few?

[Chef]

to be fair, everyone on that list with the exception of chandler and mehmet are known by their terribly overpriced contracts. i will accept that dalember, chandler and okur are excellent examples (although okur is cheaper than mek and can extend a defense beyond three feet from the hoop). maybe I was a little harsh on mek being terrible, statistically he is quite good, but i still don't see us being any better than a 1st round playoff team with him. and he still is pretty bad offensively.

[BRNC]

At this point why would "becoming a first round" playoff team be a bad thing? I don't think the team will really grow until we reach that step in the process of becoming a good team year end and year out...

[Chef]

only because with the roster locked up as it is, we would be at our full potential.

[BRNC]

We have players on the team that can be traded but I continue to advocate for "smart trades" that make the team better. Trading for Curry would handicap the team as far as the cap goes...trades like the one for Nazr did not help so why should we continue to dig that hole? I'm not saying we have the best talent in the league (far from it) but teams are in the same position we are...it is the way the league is at this point. Smarter drafts would help and making solid trades will help...we now have to find playes that enhance what we have which will make all the pieces better...

The thread started as is/when Crash going to be traded...I do not know if what I'm reading on line today is true or not...and that is the interest from other teams in Crash is coming from our FO...since I'm convinced that the interest other teams have in Curry (including ours) is the fevered fantasies of the NY writers I'm somewhat inclined to believe that it is our FO leaking "supposed interest"...I have serious doubts about making "trades" this way ie. through media...I'd rather have the FO concentrate/ contract Western clubs (Portland, Memphis, Kings, Thunder, LAC, Houston) and actually work to pull a trade together with 1-3 teams what ever it takes just so they all feel like a "good trade" has taken place...and that trade means that those teams were actually helped including our team...

[Chef]

couldn't agree more with that!

[BRNC]

Chef...my point with the post (sorry I ramble at times) all teams face the cap and all teams are capable of trading players they have...good teams trade smart...for us to trade smart at this point in time will take our FO being creative and working with more than one team...I just hope they are up to the task!

[spectre]

Smart trades...that's exactly what I'm worried about!

The only "smart" trade Jordan's done so far is Swish/Davidson for the 8th pick...and even then he should have gotten more (like their 1st). They were in dire straits financially and we let 'em off easy.

We took on McInnis for nothing when the Nets were paying him to stay away.

We traded Fabio/Primoz...both expirings...for Nazr, when all thru the summer before the Piston fans were figuring they'd have to give up a 1st just to move him.

Sorry, no confidence in "smart" trades here.

[BRNC]

I hear ya' spectre and that is my concern...the thing is all these happened before LB was here...I liked the fact he stopped Crash from being traded before the season...I have some hope that we may not get the max but at least we get a solid as in the Richardson trade...although I'd prefer the max LOL...

[amour217]

So now the raptors are supposedly in on this? http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55337/20081110/raptors_talk_trade_with_warriors_and_bobcats/ This is gettin silly!

[Muttley]

So now the raptors are supposedly in on this? http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55337/20081110/raptors_talk_trade_with_warriors_and_bobcats/ This is gettin silly!
I really think that this is almost complete conjecture.

The article says that we are trying to get rid of Wallace, which is ridiculous. This only started because of the trade talk this summer, but now Larry's got a leash on MJ so that he'll make a good move if any move at all. If we do end up trading Crash, I'm sure that LB will be sure that the trade is a prudent one and will, in fact, make the team better.

Anyone think we've talked to McDyess' agent yet? I hope we've at least called him, even if Antonio flat-out refuses to sign with us.

[coordinator0]

So now the raptors are supposedly in on this? http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55337/20081110/raptors_talk_trade_with_warriors_and_bobcats/ This is gettin silly!

I don't know. Bargnani wouldn't be a bad pick-up IMO, but we would need more than that to equal out the value for Crash.

[Hormel]

Well I know we are going to wind up doing something with Crash or Felts so hopefully someone finally makes a good decision

[ammofan]

I want Bargnani......i think maybe a deal like Wallace/2nd for Bargs would work. Maybe we give up a little more like a Hollins but definatley Bargnani is my favorite player to be brought up in all this

[Marvel]

I want Bargnani......i think maybe a deal like Wallace/2nd for Bargs would work. Maybe we give up a little more like a Hollins but definatley Bargnani is my favorite player to be brought up in all this


Bargnani for Wallace/2nd:confused: sounds like a rip off to me in fact that's stupid why would we want to trade Wallace/2nd for Bargs straight up.If anything it should be Bargs and 2 other players for Wallace.

[ammofan]

i meant to say thats what the Raptors fans say.....I dont agree with that either. i want Bargnani and parker for Walace

[Superman]

For some reason we want curry but ny doesn't want to pick up Crashes big Long contract. So why not trade him to the Cavs and have Wally go to NY? Sean May is just money through-in to make it work.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9868/nychacletradefq0.jpg

[Slam]

Bargs would be horrible for us.

[coordinator0]

I did a trade between GS, TOR, and CHA. This is one of the scenarios that worked:


This Trade Succeeded! Go back (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine?teams=9~28~30&players=3039~308~2987~2753~635~2010~1026&sendto=30~28~30~9~30~9~28&from=9~9~28~30~28~28~30&te=na~na~na~na~na~na~na) to adjust your trade or start over (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine).

Golden State Warriors

Incoming Players

Raymond Felton
Salary: $4,148,715 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 11.8 REB: 2.5 AST: 4.8 PER: 15.15

Jason Kapono
Salary: $5,784,480 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.8 REB: 2.7 AST: 1.5 PER: 10.93

Outgoing Players: Marcus Williams, Al Harrington

Toronto Raptors

Incoming Players

Al Harrington
Salary: $9,226,250 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 12.4 REB: 5.6 AST: 2.0 PER: 10.03

Gerald Wallace
Salary: $9,500,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 15.3 REB: 8.7 AST: 2.0 PER: 18.29

Outgoing Players: Andrea Bargnani, Anthony Parker, Jason Kapono

Charlotte Bobcats

Incoming Players

Marcus Williams
Salary: $1,262,520 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 0.0 REB: 0.0 AST: 3.5 PER: 6.47

Andrea Bargnani
Salary: $5,176,440 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.7 REB: 4.5 AST: 0.7 PER: 17.61

Anthony Parker
Salary: $4,550,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.8 REB: 2.5 AST: 2.7 PER: 11.35

Outgoing Players: Raymond Felton, Gerald Wallace

I know that we don't need Parker, but he needed to be in there because of money issues. He's also in his last year of his deal. What do you think?

[SWedd523]

I know that we don't need Parker, but he needed to be in there because of money issues. He's also in his last year of his deal. What do you think?

I think Parker is one of the premier perimeter defenders in the league. I would be more than happy to take him back if we had to give up Wallace.

[ammofan]

I would love that trade. I prefer Bargnani over wallace believe it or not.

[ammofan]

Bargs would be horrible for us.

HOW?
He is a young scoring 7 footer with a bright future....

[coordinator0]

I would love that trade. I prefer Bargnani over wallace believe it or not.

I feel like I should agree with you. When he was a starter in Toronto, Bargnani was expected to be a true big to go along with Bosh. That's not his game, I think he is a scoring 4. He's also added a new dimension to his game this year, a post game. I believe he is almost averaging 2 blocks, while still shooting around .500 from three. I believe that this could be a realistic trade, all sides would benefit. Come on FO, make it happen!

[BIGCatBobcat]

Let's play a new game on BCP. Every team we play you have to pick 2 players or 3 players or 2 players and a draft pick to trade for Gerald Wallace. Next up: Denver. Let the fun begin!!!

[Slam]

HOW?
He is a young scoring 7 footer with a bright future....
At the risk of repeating myself to some......

Bargs is a terrible compliment to Okafor!! Kid is worse on the boards than Ammo - and is 4 inches taller!! What we need from the 4 spot is post scoring and help on the boards - two things that Bargs sucks at. He's got no back to the basket moves at all and is all face up - which is fine when they are going down, but aren't an easy way to get baskets. LB has continually said we have too many jump shooters, adding Bargs would just be adding another.

He has two moves:

1. Wait at the arc in a stationary position and then shoot the 3 ball as soon as the ball hits your hands

2. Catch the ball at the top of the key, ball fake, take two gigantic steps forward and try and layup/dunk.

He's not what we need. I think he has talent, but not for us.

[coordinator0]

Let's play a new game on BCP. Every team we play you have to pick 2 players or 3 players or 2 players and a draft pick to trade for Gerald Wallace. Next up: Denver. Let the fun begin!!!

I do believe that draft picks would be involved, but I don't know any of the team's draft pick situations so I didn't include them. As for Denver I would say we go for Linas Kleiza. :)

[SWedd523]

Let's play a new game on BCP. Every team we play you have to pick 2 players or 3 players or 2 players and a draft pick to trade for Gerald Wallace. Next up: Denver. Let the fun begin!!!

Well I do believe Steven Hunter plays for the Nuggets. I say we do anything and everything necessary to pick him up. He's great. He's our answer at the 4spot. Just ask Slam about him:biggrin:

[Slam]

Well I do believe Steven Hunter plays for the Nuggets. I say we do anything and everything necessary to pick him up. He's great. He's our answer at the 4spot. Just ask Slam about him:biggrin:
Funny thing is Swedd that I wanted to sign him as an UFA about 4 years ago when his contract was up with the Suns. I thought he would have been really good value for us at the time.

[SWedd523]

Funny thing is Swedd that I wanted to sign him as an UFA about 4 years ago when his contract was up with the Suns. I thought he would have been really good value for us at the time.

That's one of the things you don't admit in a public forum;)

I don't really know anything about him but at 7 feet I can see why a person would like his size and potential. But he's now 27 and STILL hasn't produced anything. What held HIM back?

[Slam]

That's one of the things you don't admit in a public forum;)

I don't really know anything about him but at 7 feet I can see why a person would like his size and potential. But he's now 27 and STILL hasn't produced anything. What held HIM back?
4 years ago he would have been a steal. He's always been stuck behind better bigs and has had a knee issue holding him down. But when ever he got starters mins - with the Suns, and the Sixers mainly, he put up good numbers.

[BobcatsAllDay]

I see this thing really has legs...It was a good run Crash

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/pgStory?contentId=8776850&MSNHPHMA#sport=NBA&photo=8774000

[BIGCatBobcat]

I see this thing really has legs...It was a good run Crash

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/pgStory?contentId=8776850&MSNHPHMA#sport=NBA&photo=8774000

Is that just a list or a ranking of likelyhood? I do not think he's the #1 most likely player to be traded. He has a nice contract for what he does, I really think Gerald Wallace is more value to the Bobcats than we would recieve in a trade.

[TheBeagle]

Let's play a new game on BCP. Every team we play you have to pick 2 players or 3 players or 2 players and a draft pick to trade for Gerald Wallace. Next up: Denver. Let the fun begin!!! Not even a contest: Nene!!! I picked him off the scrapheap for my BCP fantasy team and he's putting up 17, 11, 2 blocks a night so far! He's got a nice little jumper also and is athletic as hell!

Mek and Nene as our frontline is a thing of beauty.......too bad this is pure fantasy. Oh well, I appreciate the humor in this new game you've proposed, BIGCat, as this thread has become a satire of itself and deserves to be made fun of ;)

[ammofan]

It wouldn't surprise me if Gerald was traded today.....

[ziggy]

It wouldn't surprise me if Gerald was traded today.....
Just curious, Why today?

[ammofan]

I dont know I just have a feeling ;)

[BRNC]

I doubt today or tomorrow...I just posted a new thread about a speculated trade between us and NJ...I think LB has final say on quality of incoming vs. outgoing player(s) and we are not being offered that back for Gerald...the thread I posted makes the most sense of any speculation lately I've seen...

[ammofan]

I doubt today or tomorrow...I just posted a new thread about a speculated trade between us and NJ...I think LB has final say on quality of incoming vs. outgoing player(s) and we are not being offered that back for Gerald...the thread I posted makes the most sense of any speculation lately I've seen...
Yeah i saw that post

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I really hate to see Gerald Wallace go...He brings intensity and hard play to our team..He was also thought of as one of the leaders in this team..If we lose him though, I trust that they will make a good decision and bring some quality players.

From what I remember, last year when Wallace was out we put a winning streak together...with an influx of new/better players and the current ones, hopefully we can do well without him again.

[Slam]

I think the trade hasn't happened yet because D.Will has been out with an ankle and the Jazz can't afford to be without Will and Boozer at the same time.

It was going to happen this week when D.Will started the season, but now Okur has had to go back to Turkey for a family matter, the Crash/Boozer trade probably wont happen until early/mid next week.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I read on another website why the Wallace trade made sense..

* He has the most trade value in our team
* LB/Jordan are counting that Morrison/Dudley can fill in the void for him

[BRNC]

He has a lot more value than any other wing I've seen in trade speculation...problem is it sounds like other teams don't want to give equal value in return...if that's the case then I applaud the FO or LB or whomever is responsible for not taking a bad trade...I'd rather see the team stand pat than make another bad trade!:cool:

[ammofan]

I read on another website why the Wallace trade made sense..

* He has the most trade value in our team
* LB/Jordan are counting that Morrison/Dudley can fill in the void for him
I think I said that lol

[BRNC]

...and I agreed with what you said...

[ammofan]

...and I agreed with what you said...

....okay....

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

I think I said that lol

ha! i'm thought i read it on some website related to NBA trades.. well since i didn't write it as my own, then at least i won't be getting sued for plagiarism

[ammofan]

lol......I am gonna sue you!!!!

[bing!]

Why not try and ease up on all this trade speculation, if anything happens, I'm sure all of us will be duly noted, and then we can rip this message board asunder with (y)our incessant posting.

[SWedd523]

Why not try and ease up on all this trade speculation, if anything happens, I'm sure all of us will be duly noted, and then we can rip this message board asunder with (y)our incessant posting.

Then whats the point of this forum?.....:confused:







;)

[ohara831]

Got this via post from CarolinaCash at RGM. I also listen to "The Herd", but did not catch this one. Colin was talking w/ Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribune. Said that a deal discussed, not yet agreed upon or dead, was an offer by Chicago:
Hinrich (now injured) and Noah for Ray Felton and Matt Carroll
Said the Cats counter offered : Ray and Crash for Deng and Noah

I never heard this one discussed at all. This post was on the 11th so it may have been disspelled or it may just be on the quiet. Anyone else heard that this was an option discussed by the Bulls and Cats?

[coordinator0]

Got this via post from CarolinaCash at RGM. I also listen to "The Herd", but did not catch this one. Colin was talking w/ Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribune. Said that a deal discussed, not yet agreed upon or dead, was an offer by Chicago:
Hinrich (now injured) and Noah for Ray Felton and Matt Carroll
Said the Cats counter offered : Ray and Crash for Deng and Noah

I never heard this one discussed at all. This post was on the 11th so it may have been disspelled or it may just be on the quiet. Anyone else heard that this was an option discussed by the Bulls and Cats?

Wow, I've never heard of this one at all. It might not be too bad of a trade though. Noah might not be putting up the big numbers, but they aree trying to play him a center.We'd have to give someone elese up though, we'd be taking in too much money. It works with Sean May! Hinrich would provide a veteran presence for Augustin, although he has a terrible contract, and Noah would be our PF and we'd have a good 1-2 combo with him and AA in the future. I like it.

[spectre]

Got this via post from CarolinaCash at RGM. I also listen to "The Herd", but did not catch this one. Colin was talking w/ Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribune. Said that a deal discussed, not yet agreed upon or dead, was an offer by Chicago:
Hinrich (now injured) and Noah for Ray Felton and Matt Carroll
Said the Cats counter offered : Ray and Crash for Deng and Noah

I never heard this one discussed at all. This post was on the 11th so it may have been disspelled or it may just be on the quiet. Anyone else heard that this was an option discussed by the Bulls and Cats?

Deng is both BYC and PPP so most likely it's BS.

Hinrich's deal is flat out terrible...the guy is due 10 million this year (on a 4 year deal) and he pretty close to Felton now. Some of you were saying we should trade Felton to because he'd want a big contract...this is worse.

I don't think Noah is near to being worth that.

[Slam]

Deng is both BYC and PPP so most likely it's BS.

Hinrich's deal is flat out terrible...the guy is due 10 million this year (on a 4 year deal) and he pretty close to Felton now. Some of you were saying we should trade Felton to because he'd want a big contract...this is worse.

I don't think Noah is near to being worth that.
Add to all that that CC is not known as being the most reliable source when it comes to information and I call bs too.

[coordinator0]

I've changed my mind. I have always hated Hinrich and him coming to the Bobcats would infuriate me. Noah hasn't shown that he can score or rebound consistently, he's just an energy player which we don't need. I should stop posting after I just wake up, it distorts my mind. :)