Larry Brown's lineups

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

This is really killing me...

But both in the NO and the Toronto game LB went for this line up: Augustin, Felton, Richardson, Wallace, Okafor.

Why have Felton in the SG ?

1) Felton is not a SG. He is not a shooter and he has never played SG on a consistent basis for the last six years. In college he was a pass first, shoot second PG. Why put him in a position he is not used to?

2) This lineup has not been successful. We struggled against Toronto with this lineup (this is when Toronto went ahead and sealed the win in the 4th quarter) and I remember in the NO our offense output dropped

I think Larry Brown is being really stubborn for some reason and continues to pursue this line up even though it is not bringing us any apparent benefit. I can't really figure out the purpose other than proving that we need a big guy or that we can do away with Felton.

[dav7z]

I think Brown is showing how much he thinks we need a big . He all so seems to be wanting to give Augustin all the playing time he can. Though Augustin hasn't hurt the team at all being a rookie. I have a feeling the torch will be passed be for the trade deadline from Felton to Augustin.
Another thing if you notice Brown only trys that small line up if he thinks it wont kill us match up wize. It worked some what in the Hornets game but not at all in the game yesterday.
Or Larrys just experminting on what works and what don't. Larry stated about two weeks ago a rotation is all most impossable with his lack of size.

[spectre]

I think in the last couple of games LB brought Felton in for shooting as Swish has been off big time. If he was "on" I doubt we'd be seeing the two PGs as much as we have.

[countryboi]

felton has been shooting lights out the pass few days and thats why he has been getting the pt at SG...also Augustin has been playing well plus LB has been trying to get him PT....so there you have a two pg line up....where else did u want LB to go carroll has been off...jrich was off...at least felton could hit a open jumper

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Adam and Matt need more PT together. They work well together.

[Mustachio]

Matt Carroll needs more minutes.




in the NBDL.

[bozzy]

Matt Carroll needs more minutes.




in the NBDL.

Carroll is a good player on a good team. He is a terrible player on a bad team. If you put him on a good team where his only role is to come in and make threes, then he will perform well.

[SWedd523]

I trust Larry and everythng he means to our team. I don't think we should worry about who he puts out there because I'm sure he has a reason for it. ILBIT

[Keetch]

I think LB is simply putting his best 5 players on the court. Unlike last year when one of those 5 was Jeff McInnis; this year its DJ.

He's been pretty selective with the 2 PG offense; so I've had no problem with it for now.

Any combo including Matt, DJ, Ray or Ammo in lieu of JRich is risky IMO. I've always thought they need to emphasize JRich and assure he was integral to every game. As for rotations....ILBIT. I've really liked the players usage so far.

[spectre]

I trust Larry and everythng he means to our team. I don't think we should worry about who he puts out there because I'm sure he has a reason for it. ILBIT

Ditto!

ILBIT

[ohara831]

I'm trying real hard to keep the faith in LB w/ Swedd and Spectre. He's doing the best he can w/ what he's got to work with - which sadly aint all that super.

[spectre]

I'm trying real hard to keep the faith in LB w/ Swedd and Spectre. He's doing the best he can w/ what he's got to work with - which sadly aint all that super.

If the Idiot was at the helm Friday night against NOLA we'd have lost that game at the end.

Like Keetch just mentioned in the game thread we're moving a LOT better on both offense and defense compared to our previous years, and I can just "see" Felton's stock moving upward. Give LB some time and I think he'll make all our players better...or else they'll be playing elsewhere.

You're right tho; give him a legit 4 and I think everyone will be on board.

[Muttley]

If the Idiot was at the helm Friday night against NOLA we'd have lost that game at the end.

Also, we'd be playing with Ford instead of Crash. Let's not forget that LB has already done that for our team.

[SWedd523]

Thinking of LB's value to our team.. Many people talked about how Larry's presence alone would increase our win total, we obviously saw that come to fruition in the NOLA game as without him, we wouldn't have won. We're already +1 from the LB Factor!:biggrin:

[Ghost Kat]

I can just "see" Felton's stock moving upward. .

So why is his stock low in the first place? Seasons not close to over yet but i haven't seen much improvement out of Felton. By the comments made in other posts i doubt many do. What do we know about Felton so far? He's great in the open court,he is a good ball handler, good 6 or 7 assist a game PG. He's not a strong on ball defender,makes bad shot choices and as a PG he never really controls the game like Chris Paul. But Feltons not Paul and LB isn't going to change him into anything more then he is now.

[Dead_Real]

More burn for Shannon and Ammo is my only complaint I knew Felts would still be used as a combo from their offseason comments about him.

[spectre]

So why is his stock low in the first place? Seasons not close to over yet but i haven't seen much improvement out of Felton. By the comments made in other posts i doubt many do. What do we know about Felton so far? He's great in the open court,he is a good ball handler, good 6 or 7 assist a game PG. He's not a strong on ball defender,makes bad shot choices and as a PG he never really controls the game like Chris Paul. But Feltons not Paul and LB isn't going to change him into anything more then he is now.

Try going back and reading all the other posts I made to you on the subject before asking the same thing over again.

I disagree (on most everything, but this is new!) on the man defender...right now he's the BEST man defender we have on the perimeter.

But no...he's not Chris Paul, so we should trade him now!

[dav7z]

If the Idiot was at the helm Friday night against NOLA we'd have lost that game at the end.

Like Keetch just mentioned in the game thread we're moving a LOT better on both offense and defense compared to our previous years, and I can just "see" Felton's stock moving upward. Give LB some time and I think he'll make all our players better...or else they'll be playing elsewhere.

You're right tho; give him a legit 4 and I think everyone will be on board.

Agreeded about a four . If we just get a decent four this whole team will look better. As for Feltons on the ball defence ,he mans up better than any one on the team any one. Yes he does take bad shoots some times , And hes not the best shooter on the team .But if any one needs to talked about ,[bad defence at point] its Augustin . This kid just pisses me off with all his speed and he don't move his feet at all. E ver point in the league can use him because he don't move his feet . He has the ability but is not useing it so far.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

mystery solved..why LB likes to play RF and DJ at the same time??

"Brown likes to have three guards, two of them natural points, whom he can play together."
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1148518/2/index.htm

good read on the bobcats..

[BIGCatBobcat]

mystery solved..why LB likes to play RF and DJ at the same time??

"Brown likes to have three guards, two of them natural points, whom he can play together."
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1148518/2/index.htm

good read on the bobcats..

Freakin awesome read so far, but it's after one and I have to work! Thanks for that one playoffs...does anyone know if this was in SI Magazine? I don't get it anymore but I do buy the swimsuit issue every year.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

actually someone else had posted it in some other thread...i was probably the most insightful article i've read so far...if only bonnell could step up and start producing some quality blogs

[BIGCatBobcat]

actually someone else had posted it in some other thread...i was probably the most insightful article i've read so far...if only bonnell could step up and start producing some quality blogs

I wouldn't count on that anytime soon. Bonnell is just collecting a paycheck. I got more info out of the Bobcats video than his article. He just reguritates whatever he hears other people ask about.

The guy I sit beside at the games always turns to me and goes "what the hell are they doing? Carroll, Felton, DJ J-Rich and " or whatever they have out there. I say to him, "you can't analyze every lineup, every game" It will just drive you nuts. Especially early season games where he's trying stuff out. Truly ILBIT. Sit back relax and enjoy, this guy's won a championship and been to the finals a few times.

[Ghost Kat]

Try going back and reading all the other posts I made to you on the subject before asking the same thing over again.




You are correct we do not agree on most things surrounding Felton. We went through 3 or 4 pages debating Felton. Felton has proven me right so far. He still can't shoot , has shown no improvement from last year, and even Jordan has said he's playin for a check. You said LB would have some impact on him,You said Felton works hard and will improve and be a leader. Since you know so much , when will this happen? I want more then anything for Felton to be productive, But he's basically the same player he was in college. He does all the same things that were good and all the things that were bad. Back to trust again. Larry Brown knew who Felton was and knew he was the starter of the team he was about to start coaching. But he pull his old man card on draft night to get a NEW point for his team. It wasn't just to get a back up or it's a wasted pick. Felton is gone after this year, You & I both know it.

[spectre]

Oh certainly...because this team only needs ONE PG, and 7 games absolutely determines how good or bad all players will be.

And in no way does it surprise me that what you got out of Jordan's comments about Felton was that "he's playin for a check".


Since you know so much , when will this happen?

I doubt I stated without a doubt that Felton would get better, but it's no surprise that's what you understood.

You kill me. :banghead:

[Ghost Kat]

I kill you?? Thats funny, I'm tempted to ask how old you are everytime i finish readin one of your comments at me. Dont try and understate your defense of Felton. It's easy to go back to get everything each of us has said. No one ever said anything about one point guard, once again you just leap out there with nothing to support you. What i got out of his comments is what he said, Dont try and spin what he said. He said it, it was written down and printed. It's strange to try and guess what he meant when it was a pretty clear statement.

I've stated in other posts i've always like Felton from his first yr at Carolina, But you need to see the truth. He's the same player. He's will stay that player. No coach or offensive set will change that. Felton proves it every night. I still remember when Manute Bol at 7"7 hit 8 three's in a game so anyone can have a good game. Felton has had three yrs without injury and hasn't improved.

[SWedd523]

I kill you?? Thats funny, I'm tempted to ask how old you are everytime i finish readin one of your comments at me. Dont try and understate your defense of Felton. It's easy to go back to get everything each of us has said. No one ever said anything about one point guard, once again you just leap out there with nothing to support you. What i got out of his comments is what he said, Dont try and spin what he said. He said it, it was written down and printed. It's strange to try and guess what he meant when it was a pretty clear statement.

I've stated in other posts i've always like Felton from his first yr at Carolina, But you need to see the truth. He's the same player. He's will stay that player. No coach or offensive set will change that. Felton proves it every night. I still remember when Manute Bol at 7"7 hit 8 three's in a game so anyone can have a good game. Felton has had three yrs without injury and hasn't improved.

Dude is way more valuable than you give credit for. The fact that he's learning a system under one of the toughest possible coaches is a testament to his talent. He's played for 3 coaches in his tenure in the league and really HASN'T performed too terribly bad. Let's have a little faith in him.

But hey, let's do what you think is best. Let's trot DJ out there and see if he does better than Felton. Smart money says no. So until we get something better than Felton, it's just stupid to even argue about his talent.

I got your back spectre:bang:

[spectre]

I kill you?? Thats funny, I'm tempted to ask how old you are everytime i finish readin one of your comments at me.

My God how ironic.

You're right though; I did say Felton would get better, but that was in regards to Larry Brown making EVERYONE better by establishing a system.

In case you haven't noticed, no one has really grasped it yet as no one is playing at their best, not just Felton. Yet on RealGM...where they vote for Player of the Game...he's won twice and is leading the totals now. He was the "Performer of the Game" vs. NOLA.

So yeah, I think he's improving, just like the whole team is in spurts. I've seen better ball movement/player movement from this team then ever before. I've seen better defense in stretches. I've seen a lot more effort than last year. Over time (and that's just a little longer than 7 games!) I expect those spurts to stretch out and the team to start clicking.

But I'm not surprised at all that you don't see any of that.

[Muttley]

I'm tempted to ask how old you are everytime i finish readin one of your comments at me.
Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up. I also sometimes get the feeling that spectre's a really old man.
It's probably because of all the wise and knowledgeable things he says. It's good to know that I'm not the only one here that recognizes that this guys really knows his basketball.

[Ghost Kat]

I will be happy to reply to all three of you and your nonsense. Yes, I have made it clear i like DJ more then Felton. I have also said Felton should stay as a starter. Ya'll really need to read the words that are on your screen better. U sound silly, So if i complain about how my team is playing or players on it, somehow i'm not cheering for the whole team? Anything ya'll have felt i've said that was wrong about Felton you tried to call me out on. But NOTHING i have said is wrong. Felton still proves me right ever night. I don't have to defend anything i've said. I might have to look up all of your ages ya'll need to go back to read what I've said alittle more cuz you clearly didn't understand English the first time.

I may not have been on this site as long or have random people coming to my defense. But ya'll honestly sound like you have no common sense, Your misquoting things i never said. Idea's i never had and throw them out like you learned it from God Himself. Every season has 82 games in it. Felton has been injury free but has had three different coaches, I'll give you that. But your telling me by the end of each of those years including this one that the reasons he's not better is bad coaching. None of you have actually play'd basketball before then i'm guessing. Felton is the reason he is not a better player. Not coaching, not playing time, not being put at the SG, none of it....It's felton himself, Talent or not, He can do better and he hasn't.

[Ghost Kat]

BTW, It's never stupid to argue about anyone's talent. Isn't that the point of a discussion board. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to go back and look the word up in my dictionary. I have read some of the dumbest stuff from the dumbest people on this site, especially when it comes to trades, But thats the point of a discussion Board.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Carrol For Pg 08!!!

[ALong13]

Ok I haven't commented in this thread I don't believe so I'm going to go ahead and do it...

Larry Brown's line-up changed every night, but the one he used against Utah I thought was very good. Carroll has not played better than Morrison by any stretch, but IMO Morrison has been nothing but spectactular at the 6-man role...I don't think we need to change him from that and if he stay in that role and continues to play the way he does I do believe he could be a serious contender for 6th man of the year award come the end of the season. Getting Hollins and Lexy some time is cruicial IMO. Here's why...If they never play and just practice how do they get any better? Sure practice helps a little, but not much...Lexy has been a good defensive force since coming in getting at least a block or two in the time he plays, plus he's getting some rebounds...Hollins has brought the energy and I think that's crucial. Next up is his decision to bench Duds instead of May, and though many disagree, I think it was a smart move... Duds is not a PF, he's a SF, and sadly we're overloaded at that, but I don't think he should have started at PF, but thats what they choose..May is bigger, sure he's overweight, but he's more of a force than Dudley could be at PF, and last night really showed he still had a few shots left in him. If he could continue to loose weight, get better conditioning and continue to shoot well and stay healthy I think he could help out a little bit.

Andre Brown looked good in preseason, but as many said when we went 0-8 preseason means nothing...He has yet to do much of anything during the seasonw when giving time. Linton Johnson has been the same way, and tbh I wouldn't be surprised to see either one of them gone before Hollins goes...Hollins has built himself back into the top 12 or top 13....

[masta249]

BRING BACK SAM VINCENT. i mean seriously, he's the best coach we've ever had i don't care what you guys say. He's a heck of a lot better than larry brown, no joke. I just wish someone would open their eyes and realize what a great coach sam vincent is and how much better off we would be if he came back to lead our team to the ship


I <3 SAM VINCENT!!!!!!!

[MattD]

how quickly are you trying to get banned this time karl?

[BIGCatBobcat]

BRING BACK SAM VINCENT. i mean seriously, he's the best coach we've ever had i don't care what you guys say. He's a heck of a lot better than larry brown, no joke. I just wish someone would open their eyes and realize what a great coach sam vincent is and how much better off we would be if he came back to lead our team to the ship


I <3 SAM VINCENT!!!!!!!

How dare you speak the name of one Sam Vincent. My keys melt as i type it myself. Banished! Banished! I get the sarcasm, I do. But I can't handle the actual thought of going from Ham Biscuit coaching this team again, whoa.

[SWedd523]

BRING BACK SAM VINCENT. i mean seriously, he's the best coach we've ever had i don't care what you guys say. He's a heck of a lot better than larry brown, no joke. I just wish someone would open their eyes and realize what a great coach sam vincent is and how much better off we would be if he came back to lead our team to the ship


I <3 SAM VINCENT!!!!!!!
LONG LIVE THE BISCUIT!!!:biggrin:

I agree that we should bring him back.... but not to coach. Let him be part of the halftime show. God knows we can all enjoy him making an ass of himself. Maybe have him try and jump through a hoop of fire?:g:

[Muttley]

LONG LIVE THE BISCUIT!!!:biggrin:

I agree that we should bring him back.... but not to coach. Let him be part of the halftime show. God knows we can all enjoy him making an ass of himself. Maybe have him try and jump through a hoop of fire?:g:
It would be better than the halftime show we had tonight at the Magic game, which included absolutely nothing.