Orlando Magic at Charlotte Bobcats 11/16

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Tonight Superman comes to town... Anybody have some spare Kryptonite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO3c8EaxsxQ

Howard at this point in his career is simply unstoppable... Period. Theres really nothing that Emeka or anyone else in the NBA can do to stop him. Maybe we can put Ryan Hollins on him... Eh, not so much.

So what do you think guys, can we put together a solid game, get a win and creep one game closer to .500?

The enemy's game thread --> http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8891029871/m/1101014545

[tamburello]

Maybe we can pray for an early foul trouble of Howard. Only under these circumstances we can win without J-Rich or with a not fully healthy J-Rich.

And I'm really annoyed at people who always compare Howard and Okafor, and eventually sh.t at Okafor for not being as great as Howard. This is ridiculous. When they were drafted anyone knew that Howard was pure potential, Okafor was more NBA-ready but Howard had a much higher ceiling. And nothing unexpected happened. Okafor won ROY as expected, Howard became a beast as expected. I'm not saying that I'm satisfied with Okafor's progress, he should have been at least consistent on offensive end by now, but don't forget that he's one of 4 players who averaged for the past 4 seasons (the others are Duncan, Nash and Howard).

Well, honestly I expect a 3-6 record after the game, but who knows? Morrison could explode for 30 points, we may win. Go Bobcats.

[Chef]

also remember that oak was picked #2 behind howard. how is that his or the cats fault? oak is solid , nothing more, howard is spectacular. howard has at least 20/17/5b, magic win by 15. game is not that close. we do not match up at all with this team, never have. but, i hope i am wrong, except howard, i need a big fantasy line from him.

[Marvel]

The Pistons are the only team that give Howard trouble,other than that it should be a blowout and Howard should be on the NBA.com highlights at least twice just hope it's not on Wallace,poor Okafor he must be preparing himself for the humiliation tonight.:D

[ammofan]

i remeber how Orlando ALMOST picked Emeka.....can you imagine how sick our team would be if we got Superman???

[ammofan]

ALERT TO MEK: One Hour till your beat down...............

[spectre]

For those without vision here's (hopefully) a link:

http://atdhe.net/live-tv-554.html

[amour217]

ALERT TO MEK: One Hour till your beat down...............

Here's some SAT prep before the game:

Dwight Howard:Emeka Okafor::Gianormous Spiders:The Rest of Us

[tamburello]

Your link is just great, thanks spectre.

[spectre]

Sure Tam. I found another on channelsurfing.net that seemed a little clearer so you might want to give that a look too.

[spectre]

NICE man D on that play!

Mek with the block on D Howard!

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If the Magic are going to continue gunning from the perimeter and not getting Superman involved, then I like our chances.

Did you guys see May hit the deck? He looked like Wile E. Coyote

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Beautiful block by #50

[spectre]

Yeah...I think my floor shook here in Raleigh!

Man Mek is playing good! He's taking it right to Howard on both sides. Felton's been looking for him too. It'd be nice if Hammer would drain a couple of those 3s.

[Dead_Real]

Damn I turned the channel past FSN South to see Crash attacking the rim at will didn't even know it was another Panthers/Bobcats double header weekend.

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Hmm, box score is showing that Dwight took only one shot, what's happening ??

[spectre]

Hmm, box score is showing that Dwight took only one shot, what's happening ??

Mek is playing him well and we're doing a good job double teaming him.

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3rd foul on Pietrus, favours are tilting the Cats' way.

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I like what I see, Adam ftw.

[Dead_Real]

Ammo officially has his swagger back

[spectre]

Ammo bombing 3s!!!!!!!

[TheLegend]

Ammo is ballin 3's!

[Dead_Real]

SMH at these being the same refs from the Panthers/Lions game

[davcbow]

SMH at these being the same refs from the Panthers/Lions game

Yeah Im beginning to wonder if whats up with the refs in the NFL and the NBA bad calls against any Charlotte teams...:cool:

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Man BULLSHIT call on the Brown dunk attempt (should have been a foul) and BULLSHIT call on Oak at the other end (should have been a charge) man the refs in the NBA piss me off sometimes, that game against the Nuggets I felt like we were getting gipped. That's 2 fouls just blatantly given to Howard.... yargh. Glad Ammo's looking good again though.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

It's hard enough for the Bobcats to beat their opponent without the refs being in Orlando's pocket we sure don't need the refs doing Orlando favors.

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Here's Hollins, the energy boy. And what's with the gazillion offensive foul calls, do refs have it in for Cats or what ??

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

MOON Hook by Hollins!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I know some posters don't see a bright light at the end of the tunnel but from what I am seeing, the Bobcats are improving every time I see them play. I look for this team to start kicking tail a bit before or after the All Star break. If the Bobcats can be at or near 500 leading up to the All Star Break they will be sitting pretty.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

We never would have seen this kind of thing last year. Alley Oop!!

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Me like writings on GameChannel, writings make I bounce in happiness, dur-hur.

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

Son of a bitch, Duke's up by 1 with 10 seconds left against Rhode Island!!! Alas they cut away from it on espnews so won't know what happens for a min.

[davcbow]

wallace steal to felton for 2 great play....

[Dead_Real]

A lot of nice plays to end the second quarter.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

A poster on another thread stated that our defense wasn't really improved but each week I see a defense that is way better than any time last year.

[dnbman]

anyone have another link to watch? The first two weren't really flowing.

Thanks!

[davcbow]

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-hd.php?w=http://abcrad.wm.llnwd.net/rayvtech_nbalive1at?www.channelsurfing.net

This one is working ok for me... hangs a bit at times...:cool:

[spectre]

What a nice way to end the quarter! We kept Superman under control, played good D and kept the lead!

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I love the energy and team play the Bobcats are showing in the absence of JRich. Now if they play like this the second half of the game we have a good shot at winning. Really I would like to see this every game. Of coarse we are lucky that Orlando is not shooting well from the outside.

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One can usually find live-stream links HERE (http://www.myp2pforum.eu/nba-basketball) on a daily basis.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Could...could...could

Could Hollins start being *gulp* USEFUL? o.o

[Shrimpy_Jackson]

ANyone else getting extremely annoyed by the constant Where this.... happens commercials? That music is going to make me snap one of these days and go on a piano smashing spree.

[tamburello]

The run in last 2 minutes was nice. We're doing well in containing Howard. When he's certain to score, we foul him and send to line. This is a good strategy, maybe the best we can do now. It's not good to see Okafor has 2 fouls, Mohammed has 3 but Hollins is playing decent again.

And Stephanie Ready is damn nice as usual.

[Dead_Real]

And Stephanie Ready is damn nice as usual.
Agreed wholeheartedly :biggrin:

[tamburello]

Howard's 3rd comes so early!!

[tamburello]

Howard's 4th!!!! We're closing on win?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Let's hope the Bobcats don't have a second half collapse.

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My eyes, they deceive me, they convey the 'Okafor - DUNK' visual info to my brain.

[Marvel]

And Stephanie Ready is damn nice as usual.


That's an understatement gotdamn she's HOT!! mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm Stephanie call me.Howard out now we should definitely take advantage of this no shot blocking so attack attack attack.

[Dead_Real]

Nice little pull up Jumper from DJ in Nelson's face

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Why the heck isn't AmMo getting more burn? He is playing decent defense and his outside shooting threat opens up opportunities for others. Dwight Howard is out and we are not taking advantage. Inexperience will probably lead to another collapse.

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I just can't get enough of those offensive fouls, damn.

[tamburello]

We're not taking advantage of absence of Howard enough. I'm afraid this would cost this game.

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They really REALLY shoudn't settle for three-pointers...

[BobCatsFanInTx]

With all the nay sayers about AmMo all I can say is where would the Bobcats be without AmMo this season? I mean I know the Bobcats are only 3 and 5 but without AmMo would we have those 3. His improvement defensively has been the biggest surprise in my opinion.

As far as the Bobcats making a trade for a 4, I think they should but not til they get some of their players value up. As of now it is early in the season and getting top value should be the concern of the Bobcats front office rather than making rash trades.

[tamburello]

We've held Howard to 2 points, 5 rebounds thus far. What else can we ask for? We should win this match whatsoever.

[Marvel]

Emeka has out played Howard tonight :o

[davcbow]

With all the nay sayers about AmMo all I can say is where would the Bobcats be without AmMo this season? I mean I know the Bobcats are only 3 and 5 but without AmMo would we have those 3. His improvement defensively has been the biggest surprise in my opinion.

As far as the Bobcats making a trade for a 4, I think they should but not til they get some of their players value up. As of now it is early in the season and getting top value should be the concern of the Bobcats front office rather than making rash trades.


Right now Ammo is our only real gun. Down by 4 we need to turn up the defence if we are to win this...:rolleyes:

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I think it's due time for Larry to utilize Matt+Adam combo.

[Marvel]

Fucking DJ dribbling the ball pointlessy on the perimeter shot clock goes down to 3 seconds and he takes a bad shot.Ok Ok i can accept the fact he's a rookie but why is he still doin it

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It's Ray+D.J. on the court. I'm still not able to grasp that concept, why, WHY ?? Howard's been near-useless tonight and yet somehow the Cats are trailing by 7.

[timang]

caroll for three! :biggrin:

[Marvel]

:g:Damn that was quick penetration from Felton damn and why did we resign Carroll ai ai ai

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Down by eight with three+ minutes to go. Howard is swatting away at poor layup attempts, and we're gonna see a dozen hurried three point attempts for a lovely 3-6 record. C'mon lady luck, smile on NC tonight.

[tamburello]

Our Hedo is a real clutch player, he took the whole responsibility. We lack such kind of player.

[timang]

superman fouled out!!!!!!! get it going cats!!!!!

[Marvel]

Ok with Howard out we should NOT LOSE THIS GAME

[BobcatsAllDay]

Stop w/ the damn HELP defense!!! Some people can hit open 3's

[timang]

nice D adam on hedo! dj drives for a 2!

[tamburello]

Bogans killed our hopes.

[tamburello]

Also, Magic players should be proud of theirselves for winning this game, where Howard finished with 4 pts, 7 rebos. I really wonder when Howard failed to reach double figures in both these categories last time.

[timang]

wow super small ball with crash at center. 0.0

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The Magic have 11 blocked shots, that's 14-18 points potentially-scored gone in the gust of wind left in the ball's wake.

[Dead_Real]

I fucking hate the Magic can't believe with still dropped one with Superman struggling.

[timang]

The Magic have 11 blocked shots, that's 14-18 points potentially-scored gone in the gust of wind left in the ball's wake.
5 from D howard. atrocious!!!

[ammofan]

I hate LB......He took out Carroll and Morrison and put in "defense"(Shannon Brown) but heres the catch, we are down by NINE!!!!!!!!!! We need thr33's in order to win!!!!!!
This game was lost because of TERRIBLE coaching decisions and terrible pg play...... PERIOD

[tamburello]

We've missed such a huge chance. But this season will be all about these losses. We lost to Toronto in same way. We have no go-to-guy. None of the players in the roster has the potential to be.

This team can get out of this mediocrity hole only if we win 1st pick in the lottery with 3% chance just like Chicago did. Otherwise, we have nowhere to move, really.

This is sad.

[ammofan]

We've missed such a huge chance. But this season will be all about these losses. We lost to Toronto in same way. We have no go-to-guy. None of the players in the roster has the potential to be.

This team can get out of this mediocrity hole only if we win 1st pick in the lottery with 3% chance just like Chicago did. Otherwise, we have nowhere to move, really.

This is sad.

Well Morrison CAN be the go-to-guy because he can drive and shoot at a high %.....
but he does not get the ball enough or get enough minutes in order to do so.....
he took 10 shots and made 5 of them.....and compared to Felton who took 14 shots and made 5 in a grand 39 minutes....

[drunkbum]

Well Morrison CAN be the go-to-guy because he can drive and shoot at a high %.....
but he does not get the ball enough or get enough minutes in order to do so.....
he took 10 shots and made 5 of them.....and compared to Felton who took 14 shots and made 5 in a grand 39 minutes....


adam also had 4 costly turnovers..... if the guy has the ball in his hands for more than 5 seconds its getting stolen or hes losing it on the dribble....

[WarioVsMooChicken]

Felton
Morrison
Wallace
Okafor
Hollins

We should have done that lineup, especially when Howard was out.

[ohara831]

No excuses. When Howard has this poor a game, we MUST beat Orlando. The Cats let one get away. We got Howard on a bad night, and let support players beat us.

[Marvel]

Ok how long are we going to play the Larry Brown fiddle,yeah he's a great coach but unless we make a big trade like The Warriors-Pacers made a few years back we ain't going nowhere.This is not a team that even the best coach can improve.

[Muttley]

Just got back to Raleigh after being 4th ROW at the game tonight.

Some notes:

ALERT TO MEK: One Hour till your beat down...............
Your prediction was slightly off, AF, but nobody's perfect. Mek played Howard well tonight. I cannot complain about Emeka's play.

I can complain about Hedo's play. I hate that guy. Of course, if he were on the Bobcats, I'd be a huge fan.

We obviously put a lot of effort towards stopping Dwight, which allowed Hedo, Lewis and Peitrus to score. Between Turkoglu and Lewis, Crash could only guard one. We needed someone to guard the other guy.

However, I saw so much progress tonight. This was my first home game of the season and it was plain to me that we have improved and will improve more. The guys seem to have bought in to Larry's defense, and they seem to want to play offense his way too. Every so often, though, there's a mental lapse where someone jacks up the first semi-open 3-pointer they get a look at and it clanks right off the rim. There's hope to be found there, though, because that is something that can still be improved and fixed. We missed Swish tonight. His offense would have made up the significant difference that presented itself where Matt wasn't hitting a high percentage of his shots.

It's funny to see Sean May huffing and puffing 5 minutes into the game.

It's a little bit depressing to see Sean May huffing and puffing 5 minutes into the game.

He'd hustle on offense, and then jog back on defense. Eventually, it caused Larry to go in another direction with his spot in the line-up.

I like what Ryan Hollins is doing.

That Gerald Wallace rebound/slam was even more impressive in person. That guy's disgusting.

Thought: Is it illegal for Duke fans to like the Bobcats? You would think so with the boos Duke fans get when they get put up on the big screen. They'd show a carolina fan (get cheers) and then a Duke fan (boos). Back and forth, without fail. It seems really petty and bitter. The woman beside me was crying to Reddick about how much better Felton (and May??) were than him because they were champions. Didn't that happen years ago? Every time I feel ready to give Tarheel fans a chance, they remind me why they, as a group, are annoying. (Of course, this is a generality. They're not all bad.) Still, if the Bobcats drafted a Dukie, I wonder how he would be received in his home arena. I would hope that they would be supportive.

I wish I had gotten a chance to see Lexy tonight.

When you hold Dwight freaking Howard to 4 points, you MUST win that game.

I'll close with this: While some of the Ladycats looked, I hate to say, manish, Linsey is a paragon of sexy.

[TheBeagle]

Nearly everybody on this board is fucking insane!!!

We find out JRich is going to miss at least 2 games, and the end of the world scenarios can't come out quick enough: "Oh, we'll get shallacked vs. Utah and Orlando. Why bother showing up?" We beat Utah, and put in a really really solid effort against Orlando and are in a position to win for 45 minutes, and still some sing the despair and futility refrain.

I'm not excluded from the insanity: after the 0-8 preseason, I thought we had a chance to go 0-90 for the year and was as pissed as could be.....NOW I see how Coach is doing his best to mold what he has into a team that can beat anybody on any given night.

Bottom line: yes, we're a very flawed team (which Coach can't stop himself from reminding us every press conference), but I'll be damned if the team is so hopeless as some of y'all let on. Though we're 2 games off of last year's pace at this time, the growth of the team is just a lot of fun to watch, and I hate some of y'all are so blinded by frustration and despair to see it :(

Looking forward to our first win vs. Mavs Tuesday....

[Marvel]

We beat a depleted Utah,yeah that was awesome

[tamburello]

I can complain about Hedo's play. I hate that guy. Of course, if he were on the Bobcats, I'd be a huge fan.


Please don't hate our guy :) He's always been clutch since he was 21. And he scored 15 of his 20 points in the last quarter.

Sorry but I can't be content with winning against "that" Utah Jazz. "That" Utah Jazz finished their Eastern trip 1-4. Even they lost to Wizards, man.

I can't be content with losing to Magic basically without Howard.

[Muttley]

Please don't hate our guy :) He's always been clutch since he was 21. And he scored 15 of his 20 points in the last quarter.
You'll be happy to know that Turkey was represented in bobcats Arena last night by a group of fans sitting in the upper bowl, decked out in red and complete with flags draped across their shoulders. Hedo always plays so well against the Bobcats and his shots were money, much to my dismay.

[tamburello]

You'll be happy to know that Turkey was represented in bobcats Arena last night by a group of fans sitting in the upper bowl, decked out in red and complete with flags draped across their shoulders. Hedo always plays so well against the Bobcats and his shots were money, much to my dismay.

Yeah, time to time we hear about those Turkish fans supporting Hedo and Memo in the arenas. Turkish people in US are generally in the East I guess. I've never been abroad, but they should be missing their countries and they want to see something reminding their natives, which is understandable :)

I must say that a lot of Turkish basketball columnists were generally hopeless about Hedo's future 2 seasons ago. They thought that Hedo will never be more than an average player, but Hedo showed an enormous mental improvement. We all appreciate him so much.

So that's being my 1000th post. At last I've reached that plateau and I'm happy :D

[Muttley]

So that's being my 1000th post. At last I've reached that plateau and I'm happy :D
Congratulations, Tamb!

[TheBeagle]

Sorry but I can't be content with winning against "that" Utah Jazz. "That" Utah Jazz finished their Eastern trip 1-4. Even they lost to Wizards, man.

I can't be content with losing to Magic basically without Howard. Maybe you and Marvel need to find a new team? I'm not pulling an Alex here telling people "you're either with us or against us", but if you're expecting constant gratification without frustrations, this isn't the team for you. Really, if you can't be pleased with ANY win, why bother being a fan.....it can't be any fun.

[tamburello]

Maybe you and Marvel need to find a new team? I'm not pulling an Alex here telling people "you're either with us or against us", but if you're expecting constant gratification without frustrations, this isn't the team for you. Really, if you can't be pleased with ANY win, why bother being a fan.....it can't be any fun.

No, no, please... I was afraid of such kind of reactions for a while, and finally it happened. I've never questioned others' degree of being "fan". I wish you would not have done the same thing.

About being frustrated? You'd be crying if you knew the teams and players I support in various sports, they are all about frustrations and disappointments. Much more disappointing than Bobcats. But I'll never stop loving them. I'm old enough to deal with bad results of them.

Maybe I used a wrong statement when talking about being content with Jazz win. Of course I was happy with that win, I just wanted to stress that this is not a big deal, different than Hornets win.

I'd be glad if you don't suggest me to find a new team again. I'm supporting this team since it was constructed in 2003 when they do not a coach or players. They weren't even Bobcats. It was ordinary for you people around Carolina area to be a Bobcats fan then, but it was really -really- unusual for a teenager from thousands of miles from Charlotte.

[TheBeagle]

No, no, please... I was afraid of such kind of reactions for a while, and finally it happened. I've never questioned others' degree of being "fan". I wish you would not have done the same thing.

About being frustrated? You'd be crying if you knew the teams and players I support in various sports, they are all about frustrations and disappointments. Much more disappointing than Bobcats. But I'll never stop loving them. I'm old enough to deal with bad results of them.

Maybe I used a wrong statement when talking about being content with Jazz win. Of course I was happy with that win, I just wanted to stress that this is not a big deal, different than Hornets win.

I'd be glad if you don't suggest me to find a new team again. I'm supporting this team since it was constructed in 2003 when they do not a coach or players. They weren't even Bobcats. It was ordinary for you people around Carolina area to be a Bobcats fan then, but it was really -really- unusual for a teenager from thousands of miles from Charlotte. I can assure you, my suggestion was innocent. It seemed from yours and Marvel's posts that the Utah win was somehow a win by default, not even a true win, something to be laughed at, when in fact ANY win in ANY sport is a GREAT thing. Not many people thought we could keep a game close, much less win a game without JRich: we kept both games close and even won a game, and still the negativity.

I was upset with the reactions, but it was never a question of fanhood; I only suggested you and Marvel look for a new team because being a fan of the Bobcats was not enjoyable and the disappointment was too much so that some wins are viewed with as much scorn as losses....which, if you look at your post that I quoted, is pretty much what you imply.

To summarize:

1. I never questioned your allegiance to the Bobcats.
2. My suggestion to maybe look for a new team (that's why I used the question mark after the first sentence of my post) had nothing to do with your allegiance, and all to do with your well-being.
3. These are interesting times for our team, so most of us are sensitive to others remarks, and our posts can be misinterpreted regardless of intent.
4. I'm happy to suffer and celebrate together with a fellow Bobcats fan thousands of miles away!