Wallace has to go!!!

[wil]

G-Force, G-dubs, GW, etc.. whatever they call him, he has to go. Ever since i have never been a fan of wallace because of the way he plays the game. He's small BUT play Big, He's quick BUT he's slow against other sf, He's good inside BUT He's supposed to be playing outside however lack the range to do so, and lastly, He's talented BUT he's RAW, in a sense that he plays school yard type of ball.

And please, please stop with the "he's the heart of the team, he's a beast, he's a great player, he fills the stats board like no one" campaign, HE DOESNT HELP THIS TEAM AS A BASKETBALL UNIT!

He's the one player that is wrong with this roster and its nice that MJ has recognized it the way he is shopping wallace these past few months but unfortunately nobody would want him.

He hold this team back to settle for mediocre player good enough for plugins in the sacrifice of the entire team.

I hope LB recognize this quickly and STOP USING wallace, and he will see that this team would run more smoothly w/o him like when he was injured last season.

He can use wallace off the bench to spark the game and disrupt patterns but other than that, he won't be good for any team.

THESE TEAM WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AS LONG AS HE IS PLAYING HEAVY MINUTES ON THIS TEAM!

I WILL STAND IF CORRECTED BUT, I DOUBT IT...

[Mustachio]

I could possibly entertain the idea that Gerald is prime for a 6th man off the bench guy...but I cannot get on board with the idea that he doesn't help this team.

problem is 1. he gets starter money right now 2. Adam Morrison isn't someone who can replace him in the starting lineup. 3. Moving Jrich to SF would mean starting Matt Carroll and that's just the worst idea ever.

until we find a better solution though.. Gerald is most definetly the starter here. and its hardly our biggest problem.

[ammofan]

Yeah gerald needs to go......but Morrison has outperformed wallace as far as i am concerned so far this year.Morrison didn't play well last night because he took like 2 shots in like 12 minutes!!! And it doesn't help that Morrison didn't get any real good looks in those 12 because of mr. shoots a lot, DJ Augustin(Thank god he mad most of them....)
If Morrison were to get 35 minutes a game like Wallace does, he would avg. 16 or whatever Wallace avg's easily!

[Slam]

If Morrison were to get 35 minutes a game like Wallace does, he would avg. 16 or whatever Wallace avg's easily!
And I'm sure Ammo would avg. the 8.5 boards, 2.5 steals and 1 block per game that Crash does too?

Just like I'm sure that Ammo wouldn't give up about 40 points a night at the other end if Morrison were to get 35 minutes a game like Wallace does.

[Felton for Prez]

Yeah gerald needs to go......but Morrison has outperformed wallace as far as i am concerned so far this year.Morrison didn't play well last night because he took like 2 shots in like 12 minutes!!! And it doesn't help that Morrison didn't get any real good looks in those 12 because of mr. shoots a lot, DJ Augustin(Thank god he mad most of them....)
If Morrison were to get 35 minutes a game like Wallace does, he would avg. 16 or whatever Wallace avg's easily!

How many turnovers would he have? How many points would his guy have on him? Would he have any steals or blocks or altered shots?

I agree that we need to trade Wallace (mainly because he's the only guy with value in the trading world), but there is NO WAY Morrison could replace Wallace.

BTW, I like Morrison. I like what he's been doing but he's never going to be more than a 6th man.

[Chef]

this thread is ridiculous. wallace had a bad game last night because with jrich out HE IS THE ONLY STARTER WHO CAN SCORE and was the sole focus of their defense. our team is bad and the reasons for this are the nazr, mek and carroll contracts. we have zero post presence. we have zero people that need to be doubled on the block. we have no way to acquire the people we need. gerald is not going to net us a big man of any merit. we should trade felton in feb. rather than resign him and go with dj. we need to package either nazr or carroll with him to open our salary space. if we can't draft an athletic big man (i love griffin), we need to get rid of mek. yes he is very valuable, but what good is he without a 4 to stretch the floor etc? we could still possibly trade wallace if we could get equal value in a 4. but he is not the problem. he is far from the problem. and to suggest that morrison is anything more than a great 6 or 7 man is ludicrous.

[Mustachio]

And I'm sure Ammo would avg. the 8.5 boards, 2.5 steals and 1 block per game that Crash does too?

Just like I'm sure that Ammo wouldn't give up about 40 points a night at the other end if Morrison were to get 35 minutes a game like Wallace does.


exactly... Adam Morrison is the same player we drafted. the only difference this season is lowered expectations. Adam Morrison isn't an NBA starter. but in the bench role he plays right now... hes excellent i think. Crash is hardly the problem on this team... or Felton... or Mek, so lets just get that out of our heads right now.


I do disagree Slam, that Ammo would give up 40 points a game if he started. He has been quicker and smarter on defense than i have ever seen. and he was guarding Josh Howard last night... a faster, taller, quicker better athlete and didn't give up much. Ammo isn't a starter but lets at least give him some credit for his much improved D this year.

[Slam]

Ammo isn't a starter but lets at least give him some credit for his much improved D this year.
Put into context though - considering what he did on D his 1st year, or more to the point, what he didn't do, doing the bare minimum like putting his hands up on D this season would have been an improvement.

No doubt he's at least showing effort, but lets not kid ourselves, he still doesn't really play D.

[ammofan]

And I'm sure Ammo would avg. the 8.5 boards, 2.5 steals and 1 block per game that Crash does too?

Just like I'm sure that Ammo wouldn't give up about 40 points a night at the other end if Morrison were to get 35 minutes a game like Wallace does.

excuse you but to me Morrison's one on one d looks better than geralds.....All gerald can do on d is wait around for someone to drive then block a shot.....but that only happens like 2 times or less a game. Morrison is no 1st team defensive player, i get that, but he is not gonna solely kill us on d.

[ammofan]

How many turnovers would he have? How many points would his guy have on him? Would he have any steals or blocks or altered shots?

I agree that we need to trade Wallace (mainly because he's the only guy with value in the trading world), but there is NO WAY Morrison could replace Wallace.

BTW, I like Morrison. I like what he's been doing but he's never going to be more than a 6th man.

How do you know he cant be a starter in this league??? Tell me EXACTLY how u think that.....and why.
He was a mega superstar in college and he was starting and nobody complained about his defense. They were winning.
Yeah here is somebodys response "Yea but it was COLLEGE".....i dont really care.
Part of me wants Morrison to be traded so he can actually get some minutes and possibly start. Part of me wants him to stay here so I can watch him every night like I have since his rookie season.

If Wallace gets traded, who is the better option in the starting lineup: Carroll or Morrison?

[ammofan]

Oh yeah, and how bout we compare Morrison's d to another shooter. DIRK NOWITZKI- His d is not any good at all. But does anyone care? NO. They are winning and he is playing alot....Give morrison some time to develop in a starting role and he could be a smaller dirk. WHO KNOWS what he is capable of. If he isn't doing well as starter, then put him back on the bench....

[Mustachio]

His d is not any good at all. But does anyone care? NO. They are winning ....


big difference.

[Slam]

excuse you but to me Morrison's one on one d looks better than geralds

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[spectre]

Methinks someone has their nose way too far up a certain player's butt...

[drunkbum]

Methinks someone has their nose way too far up a certain player's butt...



Me thinks your right.....

[davcbow]

Methinks someone has their nose way too far up a certain player's butt...

Yeah I like Morrison too, but the ammo love is a bit too intense....:p

[G-Force for MVP]

carroll and morrison are both 6 men

[Marvel]

Ammofan your shooting yourself in the foot whenever you admittedly confess your undying love for Morrison.He was good in college,you said it yourself but he's in the NBA now,so his averages in college(in Adam's case) don't mean shit.You have to get over the fact that he was "da man" in college and he's a 6th man off the bench in the NBA "where college stats don't mean shit" Happens.
Back to the situation at hand though,i agree Wallace should go,i'm a huge fan but this team ain't getting any better with him and he does have good trade value.I mean Gerald has improved every season but unfortunately the team has not,what does that say i don't know but changes need to be made to make this team even competitive.

[Mustachio]

carroll and morrison are both 6 men



carroll is a 16th man.

[ammofan]

Methinks someone has their nose way too far up a certain player's butt...

thanks alot idiot.......I am defending my favorite player. If i was defending Gerald then nobody would have a problem....

[Slam]

thanks alot idiot.......I am defending my favorite player. If i was defending Gerald then nobody would have a problem....
The only idiotic person would be the one making outlandish statements about their favorite player...............and then admitting as much.

[G-Force for MVP]

this team has like 3 true starters the rest are 6th men and worse

[MattD]

The only idiotic person would be the one making outlandish statements about their favorite player...............and then admitting as much.


considering ammos d to be better then geralds, along with a future trek of being dirk is just. wow. But hey ive said it before and im sticking with it. I would love to be wrong

[G-Force for MVP]

morrison will never ever be like dirk

[SWedd523]

this team has like 3 true starters the rest are 6th men and worse

3?!

Jason Richardson may be a starter for most teams, but who else do you have right now that would be a regular starter for any other team in the league?:confused:

[wil]

Not totally agreeing w/ Ammo on everything BUT...

Even though Gerald is a better athlete and a better schoolyard baller, Morrison is a much better player in Organized Basketball. He has better range and higher basketball IQ as coach LB would often site.

Morrison knows what is expected of him, knows where he stands and knows how to deliver them. now that he is healed playing as a 6th man. On the other hand Gerald is completely lost. he himself has said so a couple of times already this season.

He is good enough as a pluggin type of player, energy guy, but to give him a spot and to make him fully accept it he cannot. When he plays the 3 he is to slow and dont have the range and often turn the ball over, when you put him back as a pf he is undersize and get injured then we get manhandled inside. Does no one else see this for the longest time? GW cannot own a spot w/o compromising the team in other areas!! he will be good in some games but at the end of the season, the team still sucks and worst still at a lost just like him..

[spectre]

thanks alot idiot.......I am defending my favorite player. If i was defending Gerald then nobody would have a problem....

Idiot? How dare you call me Sam Vincent!

I'm not the one continually whining about the rest of the roster not getting out of Ammo's way so he can become the 2nd coming of Nowitzki. You throw a lot of fan boy crap out there and most just let it go. Expect different however when you start to bash everyone else just to promote your boy.

[MattD]

apologies to ammofan, was in a bad mood last night

[G-Force for MVP]

this team has like 3 true starters the rest are 6th men and worse

jrich mek as a pf(which is his real spot and it blows my mind how people think hes an nba center) and i think felton could start for some teams in this league but not all

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Not totally agreeing w/ Ammo on everything BUT...

Even though Gerald is a better athlete and a better schoolyard baller, Morrison is a much better player in Organized Basketball. He has better range and higher basketball IQ as coach LB would often site.

Morrison knows what is expected of him, knows where he stands and knows how to deliver them. now that he is healed playing as a 6th man. On the other hand Gerald is completely lost. he himself has said so a couple of times already this season.

He is good enough as a pluggin type of player, energy guy, but to give him a spot and to make him fully accept it he cannot. When he plays the 3 he is to slow and dont have the range and often turn the ball over, when you put him back as a pf he is undersize and get injured then we get manhandled inside. Does no one else see this for the longest time? GW cannot own a spot w/o compromising the team in other areas!! he will be good in some games but at the end of the season, the team still sucks and worst still at a lost just like him..

i agree with you...i don't think GW has any range, but he has enough athleticism to drive in with the ball. again, if you remember last year we did pretty well without GW, you have to wonder if he takes something away from the team. i really think we would be fine without him

[SWedd523]

jrich mek as a pf(which is his real spot and it blows my mind how people think hes an nba center) and i think felton could start for some teams in this league but not all

Swish definitely. Felton on about half the teams. Mek is no way a PF. He's too slow and doesn't have the speed/agility/SIZE or athleticism to guard the modern day PF.

He's a Center. He's small for the Center spot... but he's not a PF unless playing against less athletic PF's

[Marvel]

Swish definitely. Felton on about half the teams. Mek is no way a PF. He's too slow and doesn't have the speed/agility/SIZE or athleticism to guard the modern day PF.

He's a Center. He's small for the Center spot... but he's not a PF unless playing against less athletic PF's


In other words.... he's fucked

[SWedd523]

In other words.... he's fucked

indeed.:mad:


EDIT: No, we're fucked because we owe him $12mil a year. He's in pretty good shape.

[Ampsportsduo]

mek as a pf(which is his real spot and it blows my mind how people think hes an nba center)

I tend to agree with you about JRich starting an about 2/3 of the teams and Ray on about half, the idea that Mek is a PF is just not accurate. Based on his size, this is one of the most widely held misconceptions about him, particularly in the media. He's a classic PF, 6-10 and banging on the block, but he's not in today's NBA. 4s these days have too much range for Mek and he's not quick enough to guard them either. He has trouble guarding even guarding players like Udonis Haslem, who can hit a free-throw jumper, let alone a baseline shot or a three. Mek's a 6'10" center. He would've been a great PF 20 years ago, but now he's relegated to undersized center.

EDIT: Didn't mean to reiterate SWEDD, you had this one covered.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

if he's not a PF or a center then why on earth did we give him that enormous contract?

they're going to stick with him at the center, although i think we should try playing him at PF

[Mustachio]

Mek is not the problem. Mek is part of the solution.

He doesn't get a lot of touches for one thing, something i think our team needs to work on. He gets one touch and may not make it or get blocked or something and the team never goes back to him again. It's like running backs. even if they are averaging 2 yards a carry... you got to keep running the ball in order for everything else to work properly.

Putting a decent offensive 4 down low would help, but just going inside in general is something we aren't doing. He is never gonna put on a cape and jump from the free throw line so just get over it. He IS going to get you 10 boards a game. He IS going to give you 2 blocks and a defensive presence every game. He IS going to give you 10-15 points down low every single night if you give it to him. and all that is more than i can say for the rest of this team and a lot of other centers in the league.

[Chef]

he still will never command a double team. if we can't get an offensive pf, mek's strengths are nullified.