Where Could Crash go and What the Cats Could Get

[Ampsportsduo]

Recent trade rumors have Crash almost certainly on the move, but where could he be headed and what could the Cats be getting in return? Wallace's remaining contract has four years and nearly 41 million dollars remaining. This could make him prime for a salary dump trade, but even in that scenario, it may be better for the long term of the franchise. With Jrich, Mek and Nazr all having contracts that most teams will be unwilling to take on, moving Crash may be one of the only ways to restructure this team sooner rather than later. Anyone that watches him play appreciates his effort and tenacity, but this is one time where business needs to take precedence over loyalty (not that the Bobcats organization would know much about that). On to the potential suitors...

We have a better SF (or too much invested in our own): Boston, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Memphis, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Orlando, Philadelphia, Utah and Washington

Not Interested due to 2010 Lebron Lottery: New York and New Jersey

Not interested due to younger versions of Crash: OK City, Phoenix, LA Lakers, and Portland

We're covered at 3, but we have a salary we wouldn't mind dumping: Indiana and Dallas

This leaves nine teams: Atlanta, Cleveland, Golden State, LA Clippers, Miami, Minnesota, San Antonio, Sacramento and Toronto.

Atlanta has very little other than their starters to trade to match salaries.

Golden State was reportedly already scared off by Crash's contract and they have Corey Magette with a similar (and trade restricted) contract.

San Antonio could be a good fit, but with an aging core and a deliberate front office, they're highly unlikely to take a chance on Wallace's contract.

Toronto would be a bad fit. They need a SF that can make a shot with Bosh and O'Neal on the inside.

So now we're down to five: Cleveland, LA Clippers, Miami, Minnesota and Sacramento.

Why was Cleveland not taken off the list? Ballerblogger (http://ballerblogger.com/2008/11/20/the-fundamentals-113) has been driving this train for some time, but Lebron at the four is a dangerous weapon. With three capable scorers: LBJ, Mo Williams, and Zydrunas Illgauskus, Crash could be the energy guy that does everything. Unfortunately, the have little to trade in terms of value for the Bobcats. Ben Wallace's $14 million contract would necessitate either another team or another Bobcat contract (Ammo or RayFeon). The only other possibility would be Eric Snow's contract. Snow was someone Coach Brown had targeted as a potential assistant coach and could help tutor the young point guards, but thats what Phil Ford should be doing.

The Clippers appear interested in Crash, despite having Al Thorton as their current leading scorer. The current rumors apparently involve Chris Kaman, but there's another possibility. The Bobcats could potentially land their much needed PF in the form of.... Tim Thomas! He and May could compete to see who can be the most lethargic. Along with Thomas another contract would have to head to Charlotte, possibly in the form of a veteran PG... Jason Hart, who could have his second tour of duty with the Cats. Another salary that could work would be Ricky Davis, but between Thomas and Davis, Coach Brown would probably pack his bags 17.3 seconds after the trade was announced.

Miami poses another interesting possibity. With Marion's contract expiring this year, Crash could be the glue guy between Wade and Beasley. The contract that matches up the best would be Mark Blount who is making approximately $8.5 million and averaging about the same in minutes. Blount has one additional year on his contract, and even if he's paired with a draft pick, it'll likely be no better than middle of the first round in a weak draft.

Minnesota makes sense beacuse they have Corey Brewer at the small forward and Crash would be a good fit, but he is probably not a difference maker to get the Wolves to the playoffs and they have little to offer other than a Brian Cardinal salary dump or some undersized forwards like Ryan Gomes and Craig Smith.

So we're left with Sacramento. Crash's original team, he still has a cult-following out there and with Jason Thompson emerging at the power forward position, the team may look to move Mikki Moore (even if Thompson hadn't emerged, they still might have been). Donte Green, their rookie SF did, however, just have his best game with the team so interest may be limited. A trade for Mikki Moore and John Salmons would give the Cats another scoring option on the wing and a defensive minded power forward. The Cats would have Moore's contract on the books for one more year, and Salmons for two.

The long and the short of all this is there's a limited market for Gerald and his contract. If and when he's traded, the Cats will not get equal return. More than likely they'd get a salary dump or marginal players at best. There's always the possibility of a three way trade, but most of the logical targets for Crash have very little on their roster to offer. The two marquee names that could see Crash as a piece of the three team trade would be Shawn Marion and Al Harrington. There's few to no sexy possible returns for Charlotte, but can a core of Jrich, Emeka, and Crash be a playoff contender? Probably not for anything beyond the first round of the playoffs, so it's in the interest of the team to unload one of the contracts and Wallace's is the most attractive of the three.

EDIT: Al Harrington appears to be heading to the Knicks

[BRNC]

Good read and very well thought out...mirrors many of my thoughts with minor quibbles regarding a couple of possible teams (Portland due to an abundance of that they do not intend to resign....and Memphis who is in dire nee of a veteran presence)...excellent post...

[G-Force for MVP]

i will take salmons and moore any day

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Goodbye trade !

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55578/20081121/possible_three_way_blockbuster/

if these rumors are true...we won't be seeing a trade happen any time soon...do you see the Clippers trading Kaman after this? it would limit the number of teams that would be interested in doing a 3 team trade with the clipper/bobcats

[Muttley]

Goodbye trade !

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55578/20081121/possible_three_way_blockbuster/

if these rumors are true...we won't be seeing a trade happen any time soon...do you see the Clippers trading Kaman after this? it would limit the number of teams that would be interested in doing a 3 team trade with the clipper/bobcats

If we add Sean May (expiring) and Matt Carroll (SG to back up Gordon since Mobley would be going to NY) to LAC in that trade, then we can get Kaman if they'd part with him. Maybe they would since they no Randolph's coming to town. They're also taking in less $s than they have going out.

It works via the trade checker (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2997%7E165%7E1017%7E308%7E1982 %7E566%7E847%7E2211%7E2776&teams=9%7E9%7E12%7E18%7E30%7E18%7E18%7E12%7E12&te=&cash=). I think it might actually make sense to them at that point. We'd have the Caveman for 4 more years, though.

[coordinator0]

Goodbye trade !

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55578/20081121/possible_three_way_blockbuster/

if these rumors are true...we won't be seeing a trade happen any time soon...do you see the Clippers trading Kaman after this? it would limit the number of teams that would be interested in doing a 3 team trade with the clipper/bobcats

Actually, it may make them more apt to trade Kaman because they do still have Marcus Camby. I doubt that either he or Randolph would take well to coming off the bench, and as we have seen Camby is more than able to play the C position.

[G-Force for MVP]

if zach goes to the clips it definetly could mean kamen will be on his way out because he wants to start

[coordinator0]

Looks like the big deal is out of the question now, but the Knicks may still deal Randolph to LAC. ESPN is reporting that it was Crawford for Harrington straight up.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

Looks like the big deal is out of the question now, but the Knicks may still deal Randolph to LAC. ESPN is reporting that it was Crawford for Harrington straight up.

Yup...it seems more like a "done deal" to me
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3717209

back to the drawing board..

[dunnlx]

:confused:, I'm just at Bobcats Management. They suck ^$%!

[ammofan]

Nets want him for defense probably...
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10673

[Slam]

Just messing around with the trade machine and came up with these. Let me know if you need any justifications:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1703~2991~125~2433~3249~635~27 76~1026&teams=30~30~26~12~26~12~26~28&te=&cash=

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=136~3239~3190~3455~3039~2753~1 026&teams=30~9~17~30~30~9~17&te=&cash=
(with cash considerations)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3448~1022~3239~3437~2776~1026&teams=30~30~5~30~17~17&te=&cash=

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2983~2750~2015~2987~1026&teams=30~28~28~22~22&te=&cash=
(plus cash considerations)

Don't bash me too much!! Like I said, I was just messing around and trying to think a little outside the box!!

[G-Force for MVP]

i did like the boozer ronnier brewer one but its never gonna happen

[bellringer21]

i did like the boozer ronnier brewer one but its never gonna happen

Yeah, that would kill the Jazz this year....Camby and Okur dont have a post-up game that Boozer has. Brewer is underrated and would be a nice pick-up.

[Ampsportsduo]

Big, nice job on the trades. The one thing I would say is you seem to value the Cats a little too much, while underrating some of the opposing players.

1. The Raptors are only 7 deep (+ a half if you include Solomon) and this deal has them giving up 2 of those seven. Granted Crash would fill the void of Moon's minutes, but Parker is currently a starter for them. Already having one injury-prone guy (O'Neal) adding another and shrinking the rotation would not seem to be a positive step for them. Asking the Jazz to give up two of their top four (five if you account for D. Williams) scorers is a bit much for what they would be getting.

2. You just suggested getting Vince Carter, have you checked your temperature lately? This is the worst trade for the Bobcats. The other two parties would probably jump at this (the lone hang-up could be Wallace's contract). The Cats already have a big man project, Marcus Williams couldn't beat out a shooting guard for the starting PG role, and Vince would launch no fewer than 15 fadeaway 20-footers every game (in between being repeatedly yanked out for not playing D).

3. This trade probably wouldn't happen unless the Nets were already able to unload VC's contract. The Cavs love Hickson, so he's probably not going anywhere. If you remove him from the equation, it seems like a trade for the sake of trading.

4. Aldridge isn't going anywhere.

[Slam]

Duo:

1. Very good point. Didn't even stop to think just how thin the Raps are. What if Almond was sent their way as a part of the deal to replace Parker? Almond's shooting at the 2 with Crash's slashing at the 3 might be a nice pairing?

2. Carter might be a lot of things but one thing he is for sure is effective. Plus he has a great handle and playmaking ability. To vets like him and Swish at the 2 and 3 might just be enough to get us over the hump. Plus, you are missing the kicker - we'd also get Anothony Randolph. I'd hapliy just up Lex for him

3. Willimas might be the perfect future replacement for Ben Wallace - who is on his last legs. The Nets get away from Simmons who has been a huge dissapointment and we get a low post scorer.

4. This is the one I atually liked the most. I think it helps all teams. It gives the Blazers a cheaper version of LMA who might work well with Oden plus the 3 they are really missing. The Raps get the 3 that they are missing plus some big man depth (if anything something might need a sweetner added because Bargs has been playing well) and of course we get our 4 man. Plus I really, really want LMA!!


Thanks for the feedback.

[coordinator0]

Duo:

1. Very good point. Didn't even stop to think just how thin the Raps are. What if Almond was sent their way as a part of the deal to replace Parker? Almond's shooting at the 2 with Crash's slashing at the 3 might be a nice pairing?

2. Carter might be a lot of things but one thing he is for sure is effective. Plus he has a great handle and playmaking ability. To vets like him and Swish at the 2 and 3 might just be enough to get us over the hump. Plus, you are missing the kicker - we'd also get Anothony Randolph. I'd hapliy just up Lex for him

3. Willimas might be the perfect future replacement for Ben Wallace - who is on his last legs. The Nets get away from Simmons who has been a huge dissapointment and we get a low post scorer.

4. This is the one I atually liked the most. I think it helps all teams. It gives the Blazers a cheaper version of LMA who might work well with Oden plus the 3 they are really missing. The Raps get the 3 that they are missing plus some big man depth (if anything something might need a sweetner added because Bargs has been playing well) and of course we get our 4 man. Plus I really, really want LMA!!


Thanks for the feedback.

I don't know about your point in 4. They have a rookie, Nicolas Batum, that has looked pretty impressive so far this year. I believe he is even starting, with Outlaw coming off the bench. Batum really reminds me of Tayshaun Prince, he's so long and can block shots + is a threat from beyond the arc. That team has basically no holes, can we go and kidnap their GM? :biggrin:

[Slam]

I don't know about your point in 4. They have a rookie, Nicolas Batum, that has looked pretty impressive so far this year. I believe he is even starting, with Outlaw coming off the bench. Batum really reminds me of Tayshaun Prince, he's so long and can block shots + is a threat from beyond the arc. That team has basically no holes, can we go and kidnap their GM? :biggrin:
You're missing the point.

I really, really, REALLY want LMA!!

;)

[coordinator0]

You're missing the point.

I really, really, REALLY want LMA!!

;)

I understand lol. I would also really want LMA. Maybe Jinx can eventually be something like him...

[Slam]

I have a new one!!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1981~356~3224~1994~2754~454~27 95~2211~568~1026&teams=22~30~30~4~30~4~4~22~4~22&te=&cash=


We get out of Hammer and Nazzy's contracts, bring in a SG with handles who has played for LB before and has a shorter deal than Crash with Hughes, a "maybe" replacement for EO50 next year in Noah and a mobile PF in Frye who has played well under LB in the past.

Felts - DJ
Hughes - Ammo
Swish - Dude
Frye - Lex
EO50 - Noah

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We get out of Hammer and Nazzy's contracts, bring in a SG with handles who has played for LB before and has a shorter deal than Crash with Hughes, a "maybe" replacement for EO50 next year in Noah and a mobile PF in Frye who has played well under LB in the past.

^ That's great and all,... for the CATS, Bulls on the other hand wind up with two injured players and good-for-nothing Nazr, brrrrr.

[Slam]

I'm on fire!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1981~3028~3030~3032~1994~2754~ 454~2795~2211~1026&teams=22~30~30~30~4~30~4~4~22~22&te=&cash=

[Slam]

^ That's great and all,... for the CATS, Bulls on the other hand wind up with two injured players and good-for-nothing Nazr, brrrrr.
No, not at all. In fact, Webster is going on their upcoming road trip and is only a week or so away from coming back.

Webter is their "Gordon" insurance for when he no doubt bolts at the end of this season. Webster is on a very, very fair deal.

LaFrentz is a HUGE expiring deal for them - which considering the FA classes coming up is a great thing to have.

Blake is not that far behind Hinrich as far as talent but earns about half as much and wont need the mins to be effective meaning Rose still has free run of the show.

Nazzy gives them a vet big - something they seriously lack.

[bing!]

^ if they were planning on smashing the REBUILD button and flushing this season down the drain, and wasting 12+mil$ on Raef just to free up cap space for when the big crop is to be reaped, then yes, this might be considered a solid trade. A veteran big which brings nothing to the table is a no-good big.

[Ampsportsduo]

1. Very good point. Didn't even stop to think just how thin the Raps are. What if Almond was sent their way as a part of the deal to replace Parker? Almond's shooting at the 2 with Crash's slashing at the 3 might be a nice pairing?

I still don't see the Jazz parting Boozer and Brewer. Camby would not be nearly as effective as Boozer running the pick and roll with Deron and Brewer is better than the other two.


2. Carter might be a lot of things but one thing he is for sure is effective. Plus he has a great handle and playmaking ability. To vets like him and Swish at the 2 and 3 might just be enough to get us over the hump. Plus, you are missing the kicker - we'd also get Anothony Randolph. I'd hapliy just up Lex for him

VC's contract is an albatross that expires when he's 35 and he's never been dedicated to defense, a must under LB (can we call him the Pounder?). Randolph may be a more attractive project that Jinx, but with Carter's contract pushing the team closer to the cap, if he progresses the team would be pushed into deciding whether to invest in him or DJ.


3. Willimas might be the perfect future replacement for Ben Wallace - who is on his last legs. The Nets get away from Simmons who has been a huge dissapointment and we get a low post scorer.

I'm still not sure if Cleveland would be interested, but assuming they are, the Nets still fancy themselves in the 2010 lottery for a certain SF whose name escapes me so trading for another SF wouldn't seem to be in their best interest, especially one whose contract runs to 2012.


4. This is the one I atually liked the most. I think it helps all teams. It gives the Blazers a cheaper version of LMA who might work well with Oden plus the 3 they are really missing. The Raps get the 3 that they are missing plus some big man depth (if anything something might need a sweetner added because Bargs has been playing well) and of course we get our 4 man. Plus I really, really want LMA!!

It's with good reason you want LMA, about 90% of the league would trade their PF for LMA. Beyond that I have to agree with Coordinator.

[SWedd523]

There seems to be a lot of discussion on whether or not we should trade Jason Richardson or Gerald Wallace. So.... I decided to trade BOTH (yes BOTH) of them. So please bear with me!

We lose: a scorer who can create for himself and a guy that does it all

We get: a scorer who can create for himself and a guy that does it all

I present... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1018~1026~1966~2178&teams=5~5~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1018%7E1026%7E1966%7E2178&teams=5%7E5%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)


thoughts?:rolleyes::biggrin:;)

[Ampsportsduo]

I just can't see parting with both Crash and Richardson for a PG that isn't as good as Raymond. What kind of PG lets a SF average more assists than him? As for the other guy, his obsession with chalk would get all over the empty seats.

[DirtyU11]

As for the other guy, his obsession with chalk would get all over the empty seats.

That is the funniest and not funny statement ive heard all day.

[Marvel]

There seems to be a lot of discussion on whether or not we should trade Jason Richardson or Gerald Wallace. So.... I decided to trade BOTH (yes BOTH) of them. So please bear with me!

We lose: a scorer who can create for himself and a guy that does it all

We get: a scorer who can create for himself and a guy that does it all

I present... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1018~1026~1966~2178&teams=5~5~30~30&te=&cash= (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1018%7E1026%7E1966%7E2178&teams=5%7E5%7E30%7E30&te=&cash=)


thoughts?:rolleyes::biggrin:;)

LeBron alone is worth more than those 2 players

[Ampsportsduo]

Seriousness never works on the internet.
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Oh, wait... How's it go again?

[SWedd523]

LeBron alone is worth more than those 2 players
it was a joke....:hypo:

meant to poke fun at all these ridiculous trade machine things I've seen

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^ awww, and here I went thinkin' it came from a trusty source, bummer.

This thread could use a sturdy lock on it, huh ??

[SWedd523]

I just can't see parting with both Crash and Richardson for a PG that isn't as good as Raymond. What kind of PG lets a SF average more assists than him? As for the other guy, his obsession with chalk would get all over the empty seats.
glad SOMEONE got it:biggrin:

as for the PG/SF assist thing, I was working under the assumption that we may be able to move Mr. Felton for someone along the lines of... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1979~2832~2211~2776&teams=30~30~11~11&te=&cash=

we get rid of the McNugget and Carroll's tough contract. And we get back the veteran PG we wanted all offseason and Stephen Graham.. which should make Slam happy

Thoughts?:g:

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I guess nowadays Sean and Matt come as a bundle package, wherever I look it's Sean May & Matt Carroll for this, Sean May & Matt Carrol for that..., or were you trying to be amusing again ??

[SWedd523]

I guess nowadays Sean and Matt come as a bundle package, wherever I look it's Sean May & Matt Carroll for this, Sean May & Matt Carrol for that..., or were you trying to be amusing again ??
Well I look at it this way. Matt Carroll is a hot commodity, there's basically 35-40 teams knocking down our door trying to get to him (that's why MJ is staying away, he doesn't want to get pressured into trading him).

So I look at it like, if you're going to get our unquestioned best player, Carroll, then you have to take our unquestioned WORST player, May. Sounds reasonable enough to me..

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^ ahhh, subtle sarcasm, the only way I like it...

His contract must seem appealing to most teams, Carroll = value4money, it'd be surprising if Cats kept their paws on him for long...

[SWedd523]

^ ahhh, subtle sarcasm, the only way I like it...

His contract must seem appealing to most teams, Carroll = value4money, it'd be suprising if Cats keep their paws on him for long...

pun intended? that really did make me lol:p

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pun intended?lol:p
uh-huh, I are master of word-plays, dur-hur.

EDIT: dear Lord, I've just spotted a typo and a travesty that is using present simple in type II conditional sentence, update your sig oh I beg of you. (I'm an English Language student, things like these hurt, they physically hurt)

[ELEVATION]

:g::g:how about this trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2754~3431~1982~2753~3016~ 1026&teams=12~30~30~30~22~22~12&te=&cash=

[Slam]

:g::g:how about this trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1994~2754~3431~1982~2753~3016~ 1026&teams=12~30~30~30~22~22~12&te=&cash=
Doubt the Clippers want Crash when they have Thornton.

Bayless Vs Felton - not sure who the Blazers would covet more.

Pretty good for us though!

[mrtarheel]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2754~2015~2795~1982~3461~1018~ 1026&teams=30~30~30~30~30~12~22&te=&cash=

This one works for everyone. Taylor could be waived because we wouldn't need him, he's just filler to help us boost up our frontcourt.

[Slam]

How about something like:

Crash
Hammer
Nazzy

for

Rudy
Frye
LaFrentz

Blazers get their starting SF in Crash, depth in the big man depth with Nazzy and a bench SG in Hammer.

We get a potential "both ends" starting SG in Rudy who has handles and play making as well as an outside shot (moving Swish to the 3), a temporary starting PF in Frye and a whole lot of cap room next summer (Boozer?) when LaFrentz's contract comes off the books?

[SWedd523]

How about something like:

Crash
Hammer
Nazzy

for

Rudy
Frye
LaFrentz

Blazers get their starting SF in Crash, depth in the big man depth with Nazzy and a bench SG in Hammer.

We get a potential "both ends" starting SG in Rudy who has handles and play making as well as an outside shot (moving Swish to the 3), a temporary starting PF in Frye and a whole lot of cap room next summer (Boozer?) when LaFrentz's contract comes off the books?

I think you undervalue Rudy. He's definitely one of the guys they're going to be keeping around. He's a solid guy who will perform well in all sorts of situations. I'd love to have someone like him around for our 'cats though. Frye is the odd man out at the PF slot now that Oden is coming back so I could really see them moving him. I doubt they'd move LaFrentz at this point, he's in his last year so they're going to be really low in salary to throw at some of the players they want to keep or potentially bring in. They won't trade him unless they get some sort of value (way more than just Crash, which is basically the only thing we're giving) to bring in and give them some minutes

[TheBeagle]

Let's put a moratorium on any Crash trade talk for a few days in respect for his situation with his grandmother's death.

[ohara831]

Let's put a moratorium on any Crash trade talk for a few days in respect for his situation with his grandmother's death.


Well spoken. I agree. God Bless he and his family.

[Slam]

I think you undervalue Rudy.
I'm not, I really like him, but the Blazer fans have said for a long time that they are missing one last vital piece - which is a defensive, all out energy SF, which Crash is. A lot of them are very high on Crash.

Is Rudy the final piece to take them over the top? Maybe, but maybe not. I'm betting that Crash would be though.

They would be basically trading a 6th man/bench player who's logging around 25mpg in Rudy for a starting SF.

With the return of Webster, maybe they have the luxury of moving Rudy for the piece they are missing?