Put everyone on the trading block except J-Rich

[bfer]

I have been a season ticket holder since day 1 and I am getting more and more frustrated with the team. My solution is to put everyone on the trading block except J-Rich. Lets put a bunch of feelers out there to the other teams and see what we can get in return. We have the coach that we have coveted and the team is still not playing well. They are a bunch of good individual basketball players, but not a good basketball team together. We obviously dont have the chemistry even though most played together over the off season and we just look terrible. We cant have another season like last year.

I am a big fan of the core and have a lot of loyalty to the players, but as time goes on i just think we might be kidding ourselves that this is our core. I say make some drastic changes and lets see if we can get some chemistry together. We have a HOF coach and we should be able to put a winning product on the floor. Last year it was Sams fault, now what is the excuse? The players are not getting it done. Lets make some drastic changes and see what we can get for the guys.

[dav7z]

I would say ever one is on the block now including Swish . I just don't we have a lot of fair offers coming our way. Other team can tell we despret for a big . We just dont need to get stupid in trades . Kinda like the Nazz trade [ trade just say we did somthing] Any trade needs to benefit the Bobcats

[drunkbum]

Its a matter of not rushing into things like they did with the Nazz trade..... I think that is why your not seeing anything getting done fast.... Which I think is a good thing in a way so you do not just find yourself in the same predicament down the road but if you think that anyone on the roster is not available for the right price I think your mistaken.....

[Keetch]

I don't think anyone wants any of our players. The Clippers sure didn't.

Sooner or later their contracts will expire and we can move on.

[tamburello]

I don't think anyone wants any of our players. The Clippers sure didn't.

Sooner or later their contracts will expire and we can move on.
It will be very later. And until that day, we'll go on screwing.

[Keetch]

Touche Tamb. I was being a little tongue-in-cheek; but unfortunately there was some sorry truth to my post.

[coordinator0]

I would say put everybody on the block except Augustin and Ajinca. D.J. looks like he could be special, or at least a competent PG that can make a shot from the outside, and I think we need to know what we have in Ajinca before giving up on him. Besides from those two, everybody is tradeable.

[spectre]

As Dav said I think management has pretty much done that other than Mek...due to his contract that's virtually impossible.

Everyone knows we're looking to make a trade so we're being lowballed. I'm with DNB in that I'm happy management hasn't made some stupid move out of desperation yet.

[BobcatsAllDay]

As Dav said I think management has pretty much done that other than Mek...due to his contract that's virtually impossible.

Everyone knows we're looking to make a trade so we're being lowballed. I'm with DNB in that I'm happy management hasn't made some stupid move out of desperation yet.

With 4 tough games this week I can smell a dumb move coming if we end the week at 0-4 (76ers, Pacers, Celtics, Raptors). Go Cats

[BIGCatBobcat]

why not put everyone on the trading block? Why not say we'll trade you Larry and MJ for Steph Marbury? You think Walsh would take it?

So it's a losing streak, so we've only won a quarter of the games so far this year. So? Trade everyone? Sell everyone up the river?

Is there actually a trading block? I know in fantasy football there is. Is there a list that goes out to teams every week that says "these players are up for you to propose a trade for?"

I really think this is a bad thread with a bad vibe around it.

[bfer]

not sure why you think this is a bad thread but my overall comment is this-it all now falls on the players and we arent winning. it has nothing to do with any coaching, FO or arena or being expansion. there are no excuses as we are now in year 5.

the players are to blame, lets implode the team and see what other pieces we can get.

[BobcatsAllDay]

I don't think it's the players specifically I just think the MIX of players we have don't fit as a team. There is a team for Crash, Ray, Ammo, Matt, etc but when you have a team like this its hard to see through the fog.

[BIGCatBobcat]

as a general statement of your frustrations, i understand. As a legitimate solution or if you think it's possible, this is absolutely impossible and ridiculous. I am pissed too, believe me. There has never been a team to "implode" in mid-season and get anything valuble back in trade. There are good players here. 2 guys were 20 ppg guys last year. one was a part time pg and still finished top 10 in assists per game. we have a center who is a legit 12/12/3blk guy who is having a down year. at least 3 guys were some kind of player of the year in NCAA. wait lets go through that. 2 that were at least a share of the player of the year. 2 cousey award winners. one MOP of the tourney. None of them have turned into great NBA players. 2 of these guys could be all-stars. One was Rookie of the Year. we have some untradeable contracts. Not the players fault for taking the money.

Not a FO or coaching issue? These guys have had 3 coaches in 3 years! One guy thought that McInnis was a viable starting PG. We're 12 games in to a new season with a new coach. I know it's hard but jeeze be reasonable and cheer for these guys. Not saying by any means don't voice your frustrations by all means do. But saying "put everyone on the trading block" makes no sense and i honestly think it's not fair to the players we have. propose trades, come up with ideas, run it through trade machine or salary checker or whatever it is but it's mean to say get rid of everyone, it's all their fault. Unless you're talking about Sean May, it is his fault.

Now i'm going to go check my facts up there.

Edit: Gerald averaged 19.4 over 62 games. Okafor for his career (including this year) is 14.1/10.8/1.9. (Morrison-Naismith, Okafor-Naismith, Ray-Cousey, DJ-Cousey, May-MOP) all-stars remains to be seen

[dav7z]

OK we have so many trade threads so i thought i would just put this trade idea hear.
Guys i must be getting despret and reaching for straws. Because i would do this just because of watching Mek playing the p/f spot the last two games.

In Curry from NY they get to dump thair last contract. Two more years at a little over 10 milion a year. Hes got tons of ability and i think would work next to Mek . At least help on the boards and 12 ppg or better.
Out,,, May a expiring contract this year whitch frees up space for NY in the James stakes
Nothing lost on out part thair.
out,,, Carroll has four years left but is a decreasing contract. With NY geting the bargain years.
Morrison and Carroll duplicate and we need to get rid of one . I perfer to let Carroll go not much lost thair either.

For our last roster spot we sign a athlatic Ewing JR. who can play the two three or four . Personaly i think can become a starting two or three in the next year or two .

Felton for now , DJ14 S Brown
Rich , Morrison,
Wallace, Dudley, Ewing
Mek, Hollins, Jones
Curry , Alexas, Nazz
We become competive much bigger . More balanced. If Curry worked out we might have a top center for the next six years or so . Its a gamble but Nothing lost . With out Curry at all we become a better team because people knowing thair roles.
Morrison , Dudley Mek, Alexas all knowing thair roles.

Thoughts on this......

[SWedd523]

OK we have so many trade threads so i thought i would just put this trade idea hear.
Guys i must be getting despret and reaching for straws. Because i would do this just because of watching Mek playing the p/f spot the last two games.

In Curry from NY they get to dump thair last contract. Two more years at a little over 10 milion a year. Hes got tons of ability and i think would work next to Mek . At least help on the boards and 12 ppg or better.
Out,,, May a expiring contract this year whitch frees up space for NY in the James stakes
Nothing lost on out part thair.
out,,, Carroll has four years left but is a decreasing contract. With NY geting the bargain years.
Morrison and Carroll duplicate and we need to get rid of one . I perfer to let Carroll go not much lost thair either.

For our last roster spot we sign a athlatic Ewing JR. who can play the two three or four . Personaly i think can become a starting two or three in the next year or two .

Felton for now , DJ14 S Brown
Rich , Morrison,
Wallace, Dudley, Ewing
Mek, Hollins, Jones
Curry , Alexas, Nazz
We become competive much bigger . More balanced. If Curry worked out we might have a top center for the next six years or so . Its a gamble but Nothing lost . With out Curry at all we become a better team because people knowing thair roles.
Morrison , Dudley Mek, Alexas all knowing thair roles.

Thoughts on this......

I wouldn't mind one bit trading Curry for May+Carroll

[polarcat]

as a knicks fan i can attest that curry does zero for our rebounding. to me, he's what sean may would've been talent-wise, but without any passion and a lot more selfish. curry is one-dimensional and is a cancer to a team...... stay away. david lee is the guy we need to target on the knicks, if any.

[amour217]

With Sean May, that would have to be one HUGE block

[bfer]

My point of the thread really is to say, we still arent doing well. It is now on the players, not the FO or the coaching. last years excuse was we didnt have the coaching staff. Now, we have a HOF coach and we arent getting it done. I cheer my butt of for the cats and will continue to do so regardless, but i think we need to look at changing around our core. I dont see an issue with making some big movement, obviously if we can get good value out of them. Now, it is the players issue and not coaching. They are 10 games into the season and the coach calls them out for no effort? That is pretty ridiculous so early in the season.

Now if only we could figure out how to get rid of May....

[dav7z]

Reason i think we do this ,
1st We get rid of May . I doudt many players could be worse . If Curry is we just ban him from the games. But i think Curry has been put in his place by being deactivated. And is ready to play?
2nd We give up Corroll . This helps Morrison , defnds his role and gives him confidence.

If Curry could start witch i think he has more than enough ability . It saves Currys carer. Mek has proven he boards better , plays better defence . blocks better, and scores better . with just any big beside him .
So im saying give Curry a shot , We take a slim chance, Very low risk with very high reward.
It seems nost of our other offers has falen through. This is a much better deal than the Nazz deal. In the Nazz deal Herrmann could play . We all so picked up three years in that too.

[countryboi]

only way i would EVER EVER trade for curry is one the season is total loss..2 they take may and 3 we get david lee in turn....even after all that i still dont think i would be ok with it....he is just that bad....you get paid to play basketball how hard is it to be in shape?

[dav7z]

Its no way Curry could have been any worse than May has been for us . Mays yet to post a half decent season while Currys numbers are not great . They much better than May .
In May we give up nothing and i mean nothing and take a chance on geting a solid player .
At worst its crap for crap . But im sure Curry is better than May.
I think he could start beside Mek for us , Much better than May starting beside MEK??
Besides people is not beating down the door to trade with us. I say take a chance but don't give away value, Wallace, Felton, for other peoples junk ????


If Curry just posted thease numbers or close to thease numbers . We become a playoff team.
http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/93/eddy_curry/

[Chef]

the knicks are really wanting to get rid of him and keep lee. what if we offered the crap listed above for curry but also demanded a top 3 protected 1st rounder. do you guys think they would go for it? would it be good for us? sure curry sucks on d but mek loves to play d and we need some offensive punch down low. i don't know, sounds like the first rounder could keep the trade from being as risky for us.

[spectre]

They already owe their pick to Utah (I think lottery protected in '09...totally unprotected in '10) so that's out.

I'm no fan of Curry.

[BRNC]

I'm no fan of Curry...and I'm really no fan of his contract...if people want to complain about our contract situation now just add the albatross that is Currys contract to the mix...no thank you for my part!

[Chef]

agreed, with no draft picks i would not take the chance on him

[Ampsportsduo]

Maybe I'm the only one, but every time I look at the Cats salaries, I find myself mad enough to throw something that they have $11 million over the next two seasons tied up in Nazr and Carroll. If the Cats are going to trade anyone of merit off this team either of these contracts should be involved.

(I'm operating under the assumption that the team will not be getting equal value in return)