WTF??? Kaman for J-Rich being discussed!?!?

[Proudiddy]

Found it at the bottom of the article regarding the anticipated completion of the Randolph/Collins - Mobley/Thomas deal... I believe it. There's always some truth to rumors somewhere along the way. Of course the Clips are going to deny dangling Kaman out there until they know they are getting something back... All I have to say is WOW.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3724721 (it's in the last paragraph)

[wil]

I would be very surprised if they let j-rich go for kaman.. In terms of star power its more of a down grade for us BUT who knows.. If ever, LA clips will be pretty solid and will really contend for a playoff spot.

C-Camby
PF-Randolph
SF-Thornton
SG-J-Rich
PG-B. "Diddy" Davis

That starting 5 will contend against the best in the league i tell you.. All-Star Caliber. WOW:)

[Marvel]

IF and that's a big IF we trade J-Rich for Kaman straight up we would be getting ripped off.J-Rich for Kaman/Gordon could work

[tamburello]

I'd like to add another WOW for such a ridiculous thought by an expert. This trade makes Cllippers a contender, while we suck worse.

And as Marvel said, Richardson for Kaman doesn't work straight. Clippers need to add a small filler. I don't know but maybe Kaman+Gordon may be considered.

[countryboi]

i cant see this trade working for the cats....jrich is a fan fav and the best offensive player we have....but if i was the clippers this is the only way i trade kaman to the cats is for jrich

[ALong13]

I'd actually consider it...DJ & Felton have had some chemistry together, and while being in the starting line-up they have pushed one another very well....I'd Want Eric Gordan & Kaman for JRich, but I'd consider it...Kaman would give us the offensive center we don't have, Gordan plays pretty well when not playing, but DJ & Felton have played very well together...

DJ (S. Brown)
Felton (Gordan, Carroll)
Wallace (Morrison, Dudley)
Okafor (Jones, (I also think Duds, & Lexy plays here too)
Kaman (Nazr, Alexis, Hollins)

So I'd consider it, but not sure I'd go complete through with...but you've seen what we are now, you've seenw what our PF/C are not...we have to make changes, sometimes it gotta be big...

[ohara831]

Not sure if the FO is that convinced the DJ and Ray combo together is THAT successful, but perhaps. Still, Kaman is a quality Big, but J-Rich straight up is not fair. Throw in a
2009 1st or another quality player, and it gets closer.

[coordinator0]

Well, I don't eant to get ripped apart from saying this but I would LOVE for a deal of J-Rich for Kaman and Gordon to go down. We would be giving up a small for a big, but the talent level is pretty close between those two players overall. I highly doubt that the LAC would give up Gordon now, but everybody says it's about winning now. Just ask Boston.

That trade works too, Kaman + Gordon for Richardson.

[ALong13]

Well, I don't eant to get ripped apart from saying this but I would LOVE for a deal of J-Rich for Kaman and Gordon to go down. We would be giving up a small for a big, but the talent level is pretty close between those two players overall. I highly doubt that the LAC would give up Gordon now, but everybody says it's about winning now. Just ask Boston.

That trade works too, Kaman + Gordon for Richardson.

Well good to see I'm not the only one not minding a trade to go down, if Gordan wasn't given, even a 1st rounder or two would be ideal for me....JRich is a great scorer and I know he's a fan favorite, but I think we have to make a move, it may not look that great to everyone, but it would definitely improve our center position a whole lot....I don't think the DJ/Felton combo is amazing, but I think its done one hell of a job as of late, and if it bring us a quality starting big man, something we desparately need plus Gordan and/or a first rounder, I'm willing to take it

[coordinator0]

Well good to see I'm not the only one not minding a trade to go down, if Gordan wasn't given, even a 1st rounder or two would be ideal for me....JRich is a great scorer and I know he's a fan favorite, but I think we have to make a move, it may not look that great to everyone, but it would definitely improve our center position a whole lot....I don't think the DJ/Felton combo is amazing, but I think its done one hell of a job as of late, and if it bring us a quality starting big man, something we desparately need plus Gordan and/or a first rounder, I'm willing to take it

I believe that the C position is our true need. Okafor has been playing better at the 4 and I don't believe that Jinx is a C in this league, rather he is a long PF. With Kaman and EO50 down low our D would be much improved as well as our O. My favorite trade by far for the Bobcats.

[Ampsportsduo]

I'm not willing to consider any trade my favorite unless it involves Nazr or Matt's contracts.

If the deal is 1 for 1 with some filler thrown in to make it work, this team will still not have anyone to guard PFs with a jumpshot and be permanently undersized in the backcourt.

If the trade nets someone else of consequence or a draft pick, it becomes worthy of consideration, but otherwise it's change for the sake of change. The team picks up another year of salary and will have almost 1/3 of the total salaries tied up in two centers.

EDIT: I would guess that a return trip for Jason Hart would be more likely than Eric Gordon.

[ohara831]

I just thought of something. J-Rich was suppose to miss only a couple games since the MRI was clean. But they strung it out a bit. Not into conspiracy theories, but it would make sense that they would not want him back on the court to aggravate his knee IF they were planning to trade him. But that said, we traded away the rights to Brandon Wright for him, so I cant see us reversing course so quickly.

[krazyrumpshaker]

I also like this trade. We get a big that can help us and a developing SG in Gordon. Also, I saw that the Magic are looking for a PG now that Keith Bogans and Jameer Nelson are both injured. Dont know who we could get out of that if we traded Felton.

[coordinator0]

I also like this trade. We get a big that can help us and a developing SG in Gordon. Also, I saw that the Magic are looking for a PG now that Keith Bogans and Jameer Nelson are both injured. Dont know who we could get out of that if we traded Felton.

Probably nobody. Lewis, Hedo, and Howard (like there's even a .1% chance) are out of the question. That leaves some guards and a couple of backup bigs. Nowhere near the value of Felton, especially since what he has shown lately.

I expect a deal to go down with Orlando soon. :biggrin:

[BRNC]

I like Kaman just fine as a player but I think there is a sizable gap between JRich and Kaman...we'd be getting ripped as big as the rip we put on the Warriors when we got him...star "drawing power" has a lot to do with a players value and the Clips have been playing for this trade all along...they were quated as saying they'd only trade Kaman for a player they perceived to have star power to compete against the Lakers...if we make this trade strait up it is dumber than dirt (IMO)...

[bing!]

I guess we (the fans) can never truly know. Last year the Cats landed a 'star', albeit under a dismal tutelage and guidance of our dear Sam, and it netted them a worse W/L record (by a single point). There's a glaring gap in their frontcourt and Larry can't rely on Alexis/Ryan to haphazardly patch it up if he has any inclination of making it to the playoffs this year.

I know I wouldn't be upset if this trade were to go down, and Eric Gordon proved he can put on a solid performance last night.

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/ch_bing/gord.jpg

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1) "Charlotte Bobcats about a package that would send Kaman to Charlotte for Jason Richardson".... I highly doubt that it would be Kaman for Richardson straight up... I'm content if this trade goes through and brings the players that we need to be a playoff contender.

2) Why are people surprised? At one point MJ said that everyone in the Bobcats would be eligible for a trade if it brought the right player...

3) This makes me wonder then why early in the season LB had brought in Shannon Brown and kept playing Felton at SG... perhaps he was testing the waters and see which players we could trade away

4) Richardon probably has the highest value in terms of a trade...no one seems interested in Wallace...and we can't do without Raymond... the rest of the players can't be traded (terrible contracts or not enough trade value)

5) Richardson is a great 3 pt shooter and jump shooter...but we also have two who could replace his - Ammo and Carrol ( i still think Carrol sucks...but he can make 3 pts)

6) Richardson is not very effective at driving the ball in....I think Wallace does a better job..and S. Brown has shown he is athletic enough do so.. LB wanted Richardson to drive the ball in, maybe he's not content with the results. We need to get to the fould line more

7) Richardson is not really a super star in the NBA...he is the highest scoring player in our team...which may or may not say much about him, depending on what you see. I could care less if we don't bring a big name to our team... I want us to win games this year and have quality players, be a playoff contender. We don't need a superstar in the East to do so...I can wait another year if they want to bring some star to the team

Bottom line...Richardson brings has the highest trade value of the team...it could help us get rid of some contracts or pick up another pick at next year's draft

[Slam]

So I guess it's Swish's turn this week?

[polarcat]

i too hope it's kaman and gordon for j-rich. i hate to give up our top scorer and only real all-star caliber player, but acquiring a big is huge for us. maybe if we send something back with j-rich (may, carroll, nazr) it would sweeten the deal. we would have a very undersized backcourt with augustin, felts and gordon, but gordon could be a helluva scorer and the trio would balance out the loss of j-rich. my whole thing with unloading j-rich is that if we don't compete for a playoff spot this year, this team will be dismantled by the trade deadline. 5 years in and our plan hasn't gone according to plan, so serious changes will be made. if that happens, swish becomes pointless for a rebuilding team. j-rich will be 28 in january and if we blow this team up, he will be in his early 30's before we are competing for a post season slot. as much as a young team needs vets, a 32 year old with a high contract seems unattractive.

[Slam]

i too hope it's kaman and gordon for j-rich. i hate to give up our top scorer and only real all-star caliber player, but acquiring a big is huge for us. maybe if we send something back with j-rich (may, carroll, nazr) it would sweeten the deal. we would have a very undersized backcourt with augustin, felts and gordon, but gordon could be a helluva scorer and the trio would balance out the loss of j-rich. my whole thing with unloading j-rich is that if we don't compete for a playoff spot this year, this team will be dismantled by the trade deadline. 5 years in and our plan hasn't gone according to plan, so serious changes will be made. if that happens, swish becomes pointless for a rebuilding team. j-rich will be 28 in january and if we blow this team up, he will be in his early 30's before we are competing for a post season slot. as much as a young team needs vets, a 32 year old with a high contract seems unattractive.
How old do you think Kaman is?

[countryboi]

i guess after the knicks sign off on mobley will we see what happens....if this trade is going to happen that would be the time....still can help but feel that there has to be a better way...but i would be ok with it....a big for a small is always a good thing

[amour217]

If we trade a small for a big, then theoretically we can sign and trade a midget for a SG, right?

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Kaman: Evans pulled testicles, prompting outburst

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2428627

terrible headline..

[countryboi]

Kaman: Evans pulled testicles, prompting outburst

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2428627

terrible headline..

there is no way someone wrote that with a straight face....man thats funny

[bellringer21]

Kaman is only 26.....he is younger than J-Rich. This move helps us now (considering our weaknesses and strengths) and gives us a younger team for the future. I doubt the Clippers would move Kaman and Gordon for J-Rich (I dont think his value is that high) so we may have to accept Kaman and Jason Hart. I just don't think the Clippers are willing to trade Gordon right away...and with how he played last night he looks like someone who can play.

[bfer]

sorry guys, but i dont like this trade at all. we had an issue last year (before the draft) that we couldnt find a go to scorer for the end of the game. someone who can take over and hit the big shot. we got that in J-rich. now we have a hole on the front court and we give up our issue from the previous years? i dont like it at all. we will be back to square 1 with trying to find a go to scorer. ammo is not there and not reliable right now. hammer-no comment about him. i feel like once we get kaman than everythign shift back to "who is our go to scorer now, or who is going to hit the big shot". back to the same spot last year....

[amour217]

sorry guys, but i dont like this trade at all. we had an issue last year (before the draft) that we couldnt find a go to scorer for the end of the game. someone who can take over and hit the big shot. we got that in J-rich. now we have a hole on the front court and we give up our issue from the previous years? i dont like it at all. we will be back to square 1 with trying to find a go to scorer. ammo is not there and not reliable right now. hammer-no comment about him. i feel like once we get kaman than everythign shift back to "who is our go to scorer now, or who is going to hit the big shot". back to the same spot last year....

I'm with you there, I'm a bit iffy on this deal. For the longest time we've needed that go-to scorer who can just put the team on his back and take over a game. J-Rich is the closest we have to that. On the other hand, we have a real need in our frontcourt, which Kaman could address, so it's definitely a conundrum. If we deal J-Rich, we can definitely get hurt scoring-wise, especially if Crash gets seriously injured again (I hope not). On the other end, we can deal for Kaman and Okafor can do his whole "I don't like playing Power Forward" thing and it goes sour. It's tough...

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well if he was the go-to scorer, how many close games have we won this season? how many last second shot games did we win last season?

how about zero for this season....not so sure about last season , but i distinctively remember that Celtics game at home right after thanksgiving that we lost..

how's our record coming along this year?

has our record without him been terrible ?? yes...there's been a drop in the offensive production...but keep in mind that we don't have a go to scorer with him either.. on the nights he's cold, we still lose...

maybe JR is not the answer to the problem...a big man in the center statistically has a higher chance of making his shot...maybe he will be the go to scorer..if we had him, we wouldn't have been as bad in this stretch that JR was out

also..as of late, JR is shooting between 40-41% FG....Kaman is shooting 48% last season (not the best) and 57%.. ..even if you don't want to compare the stats between the two, there's no question that a decent Center should have a better possibility of making the shot than a wing player unless your name is MJ or Kobe...then add the possibility of second chance shots and defensive rebounds..i think it's a no brainer

[bfer]

i see what you are saying, but i just think we are robbing paul to pay peter. i dont see the net gain on this. also, when i referenced a big shot i dont necesarrily mean a last second shot. i am talking about a possesion where we needed a score and immediatly went to him. it happened a lot more last year. see the celtics game away (i want to forever forget the thanksigving celtics game).

I pose this question, who will take the big shot? Also, will you be confident in ___ taking it. I feel pretty good when J-Rich has the ball and we need a basket, cant say the same for anyone else.

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alright...i see what you mean by "go to scorer"...i still think that there is a net gain in this trade...and that the net gain is more than what we think... we also keep forgetting that this should be a "trade package"..meaning more players or picks might be involved

[bing!]

I feel pretty good when J-Rich has the ball and we need a basket, cant say the same for anyone else.

^ Bobcats' FO is trying to appease their roster needs, not their fans' comfort.

[polarcat]

j-rich has been held out longer than expected which is conspiracy thinking, but also, gordon got his first start last night. maybe a showcasing of gordon? yes la wouldn't want to give up gordon already, but perhaps if we throw in a filler, maybe it happens. :g:

[dav7z]

I say if we can make the deal go for it .Its no way with a healty Swish we smell the play offs with out a decent big. By adding the extra boards and Kaman we automaticly become a threat to ever one in the east . As far as a go to scorer we won't have the man . But is really Swish the man . Hes not made the all star team so far. So in my mind its hard to classify him as a go to scorer. To me hes more like a second option.
I would feel better with DJ14 and Felton handling the ball ,they both have much better handles than Swish , The last three games DJ14 shot has looked as good as Swish. The added scoring and rebounding of Kamann and DJ14 far out weighs the positives Swish can provide.
I all so think Felts mans up much better and is a much better on the ball defender than Swish at even the two position. The combo of Felts and DJ14 keeps people out of the lane resulting in less points in the paint and less assist for the other team .
Add Gordon coming in off the beanch as a combo . Makes this all most impossable to pass up on knowing the chemristy of Felton and DJ14 the last three games.
This trade make sence for both teams.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If we could get a first rounder thrown in I would not find the deal all that bad. Getting a solid first rounder can never hurt. The LA Clippers would be improved and may not be a lottery team next season but then again they may suffer injuries and be a lottery team. If we were to be a lottery team that is an extra chance at the top pick. Plus aside from the starters on the Clippers roster they aren't exactly a deep team. That could mean a lottery pick could still be ours regardless of injuries or lack thereof to Clippers players.

On an outside note, we may find that having a solid 5 on our team will improve us and with the growth of DJ and Raymond we may be just fine. Somebody could step up and be the go to scorer we need. The last three games for DJ are signs of some great things to come and with Raymond and him pushing one another they both seem to be lifting their games.

I really like J Rich because not only is he a solid starter in the NBA but he is a quality human being who is good for team chemistry. With that said sometimes a team needs to look at the big picture and that picture may be a future addition through a current subtraction. If this trade went down it may not be the best for us fans for the current season but with coach Brown and his hands all over this team the future could be very bright. I still think Ajinca is coal waiting to be a diamond. If that turns out being the case it opens many options for us. Ajinca should be going to the NBDL so that he can play increased minutes and gain some confidence and skills. Having Kaman would allow us to send Anjica down. Plus I have always said that Emeka is better suited to play the 4 and I still believe that. Nazr is a quality backup at the 5 if allowed to be so. Nazr has some post up moves but coach Brown won't use him there.

I like the way this team is competing and I still feel that no matter whether we make a trade or not the team will win more games than last year. The team is still in the learning curve and Larry Browns teams are known to start slowly. Some have said it takes twenty games usually. I don't know about that but I do know that if the "fine ham biscuit," was coaching we would be lucky to have one win. I like the way the team plays defense on most nights but they just are hurting from not having a post presence that can draw double teams inside. If ANY player on this team starts drawing double teams we will be dangerous. Teams are able to blanket cover the perimiter because nobody is a threat inside. DJ is starting to break things down a bit and maybe if him and Raymond continue to look good they will start drawing double teams. That would be awesome. Still, this team may be better if we get a 5 who can score in the post and draw double teams. I am not so sure Kaman is that man but with Larry Brown coaching him up he may be a nice fit for our Bobcats.

If a first round pick is added than I think the trade makes some sense.

[Icky Thump]

Only way I do this is to get Gordon and Kaman for J-Rich and whatever filler (Dwayne Jones?) we have to make it work..

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I say if we can make the deal go for it .Its no way with a healthy Swish we smell the play offs with out a decent big. By adding the extra boards and Kaman we automatically become a threat to ever one in the east . As far as a go to scorer we won't have the man . But is really Swish the man . Hes not made the all star team so far. So in my mind its hard to classify him as a go to scorer. To me hes more like a second option.
I would feel better with DJ14 and Felton handling the ball ,they both have much better handles than Swish , The last three games DJ14 shot has looked as good as Swish. The added scoring and rebounding of Kaman and DJ14 far out weighs the positives Swish can provide.
I all so think Felts mans up much better and is a much better on the ball defender than Swish at even the two position. The combo of Felts and DJ14 keeps people out of the lane resulting in less points in the paint and less assist for the other team .
Add Gordon coming in off the bench as a combo . Makes this all most impossible to pass up on knowing the chemistry of Felton and DJ14 the last three games.
This trade make sense for both teams. I would feel bad about Swish leaving but with our need for a big man in the worst way I feel it is the best for the team. Kaman does have some post up skills and can draw double teams inside, that opens up shots for Carroll and AmMo as well as the threes that Crash and our two 1's can hit. If the team can pick up it's outside shooting percentage I like this trade. Of all the teams who did not make the playoffs last year I feel ours is the closest and best team of all of them to do so this year. Still, this year may be an off year even with a trade but the future of this team is bright with coach Brown calling the shots and adding his input to personnel.

So basically dav7z, I agree with everything you said and I just wanted to add a little to it. ;)

[spectre]

I wouldn't do it.

[Slam]

I wouldn't do it.
Makes two of us.

[Ampsportsduo]

I'm on the side of the nays here. It will add another year of salary and they still need a big that can guard a PF. 1/3 of the team's salary cap for the next three seasons will be tied up into two guys that can guard bigs that shoot from twelve feet in. Undersized backcourt + slow frontcourt is hardly a recipe for success.

The bigger issue in my mind is the fact that constant trade rumors about every player on the roster could be perceived as either a) panic, b) a lack of a plan or c) both. For this team to get better sooner they need to be dropping some salaries rather than adding.

(The caveat to this is if someone like Eric Gordon is in the deal or if Clipps take one of the Cats clunker salaries)

[ammofan]

I want this trade to be made. I LOVE J-Rich but which has worked better so far in starting lineup?

DJ/Felton- Jrich
or
DJ-Felton

???

I would go with DJ and Felton. I mean 25 and 11 for a rookie pg? And Felton is hitting everything and putting up boards and assits at the 2!

[spectre]

I want this trade to be made. I LOVE J-Rich but which has worked better so far in starting lineup?

DJ/Felton- Jrich
or
DJ-Felton

???

I would go with DJ and Felton. I mean 25 and 11 for a rookie pg? And Felton is hitting everything and putting up boards and assits at the 2!

I like Felts as much as the next guy, but in no way shape or form would I ever count on him scoring consistently.

BTW...I was very impressed with your boy last night. He keeps play like that up he'll make me take back a lot of my past comments.

[countryboi]

looks like the knicks accepted the trade with the clippers so i guess its a waiting game to see what happens with j-rich.

[TheLegend]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10734

Getting closer to the deal. Having mix feelings.

[Weezy21]

i no we arent sure who else would be involved in this trade other then kaman and jrich, but what do u think our offseason would look like??? lets just say we threw in dwayne jones an they threw in hart....would we still have any money left over to pursue a good SG in FA??

[coordinator0]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10734

Getting closer to the deal. Having mix feelings.

I'm kinda new, so don't judge me too harsh. Here's my question: How reliable is Hoopsworld? If it is I might start checking out that website a little more.

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i don't think they're very reliable....over the last couple of weeks their predictions have neither come true or they were simply regurgitating what other websites had posted already...except they were constantly a day late

[davcbow]

Here's another story about it...:cool:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/85779-charlotte-bobcats-trading-j-rich-for-clippers-kaman

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they all seem to come from the same source - ESPN....hopefully tomorrow we'll get a better update

[Icky Thump]

Again, I wouldn't be real thrilled with this trade unless we were getting both Kaman and Gordon in return... otherwise we aren't getting better...we fill a hole (to some extent) and create another hole.

[ammofan]

Again, I wouldn't be real thrilled with this trade unless we were getting both Kaman and Gordon in return... otherwise we aren't getting better...we fill a hole (to some extent) and create another hole.
I dont think LB wants another guard. he thinks we have to many.

[ammofan]

I think it is a matter of time before Jrich is gone. I feel really bad about trading him because he is a great underrated player.

[bellringer21]

I get the feeling that this trade wont happen right away.....the Clippers will at least see what J-Rich can do after the injury before pullling the trigger. The article also makes it seem that the Bobcats are more interested in the trade than the Clippers.....

[mrtarheel]

What about if this trade goes thru we then trade wallace to Portland for Webster, Outlaw and Frye. We then have a sg, sf and more frontcourt help.

Felts / Dj / Brown
Webster / Carroll / Brown (can swap at anytime Carroll or Brown)
Outlaw / Morrison / Dudley (can swap at anytime Morrison or Dudley)
Ok50 / Frye / May
Kaman / Nazr / Jones
Forgot about Hollins maybe Jones or Hollins can be packaged in the deal and sent to Portland.
We then can send Ajinca to the D-League for experience.

[Slam]

The Bobcats have played well despite the high-priced Richardson being sidelined after having a minor procedure on his knee. But most of their offense has come from their guards, Raymond Felton and D.J. Augustin. Shows how wrong this article is.

1. We have NOT played well.
2. DJ and Felts have had 1 or 2 good games which is far from saying that most of our offense comes from them.

This article - like all of the Crash for Curry ones - are just reaching. Writers, and some fans, WANT LB to blow the team up. It's like they almost expect it, so they are all reaching for the answer.

It's pathetic.

Last time I checked, 1 + 1 = 2, not 7.

[bellringer21]

What about if this trade goes thru we then trade wallace to Portland for Webster, Outlaw and Frye. We then have a sg, sf and more frontcourt help.

Felts / Dj / Brown
Webster / Carroll / Brown (can swap at anytime Carroll or Brown)
Outlaw / Morrison / Dudley (can swap at anytime Morrison or Dudley)
Ok50 / Frye / May
Kaman / Nazr / Jones
Forgot about Hollins maybe Jones or Hollins can be packaged in the deal and sent to Portland.
We then can send Ajinca to the D-League for experience.

I really doubt the Bobcats make that trade with the Trailblazers for that trade....one of the reasons of the proposed Kaman deal is to get DJ starting at the 1 and Felton at the 2.

[x2pacalypse]

well it seems that when BOTH wallace and j-rich play...their 2 play styles clash, so maybe its better that one of them is gone to be honest....considering felton can cover richardson's place better than ammo can wallace (at least immediately), then i'd rather trade j-rich

if this was a walgreens world, we could trade sean may for chris kaman and hollins for lebron

[G-Force for MVP]

imagine if the bobcats got lebron in 2010

[bfer]

guys i am not trying to beat a dead horse, but how does this help our team? we fill a void down low by bringing in Kaman and create a void by trading away J-Rich. we are already struggling to score points and i see this getting worse with this trade. dont get me wrong, i want kaman but trading j-rich is the answer. i would trade them anyone except him.

[BRNC]

Well...I don't know if the FO is keen on this trade but the media certainly has them keen on it...I said earlier that if they make it JRich for came even is ripping us off...looking at their roster it would seem they'd have to offer Gordon (and I doubt they will), Hart or Davis...I'm not a real fan of Hart or Davis...the only positives with those two is they both have one year contracts...so unless the Clippers are going to send Gordon or if we have to take Hart or Davis we'd better get their number one pick also...unprotected preferably....

As far as the FO making it the trade...it seems pretty obvious to me they are really trying to make over the team (as best they can) to suit LB....I don't know if that is good or bad short term (disruption etc.) but I'd have to think if he's going to be the coach that it would be better long term...

The big problem I have with it is JRich is the best player we've had on this team and i'm not sure how drawn to the 'Cats other players will be after all this is said and done...I have not seen a swarm of quality players banging the door just because we hired LB...so I really hope that this (if it happens) actually is good long term...:g:

[davcbow]

The big problem I have with it is JRich is the best player we've had on this team and i'm not sure how drawn to the 'Cats other players will be after all this is said and done...I have not seen a swarm of quality players banging the door just because we hired LB...so I really hope that this (if it happens) actually is good long term...:g:

That will change as the team gets better.....:cool:

[TheBeagle]

Not sure if the FO is that convinced the DJ and Ray combo together is THAT successful, but perhaps. Still, Kaman is a quality Big, but J-Rich straight up is not fair. Throw in a
2009 1st or another quality player, and it gets closer. I agree with this sentiment. From the beginning of the great trade hysteria here, I've thought that NOBODY should be untouchable, and it's obvious JRich is the most coveted on our roster, so why not?

Last year was just such an incredible year for him and I really don't see him matching that with us in the future (it's already started with his missing 2+ weeks).

If I was our FO, I'd at least want to hear what else they're willing to give up besides Kaman for JRich, who is still our undisputed best player.

*************

As it stands, I'll be shocked if a trade happens; none of these rumours have come to fruition, but at least it gives us something to talk about, and gauge how we feel about our roster....

In the meantime, this article on JRich found on ESPN is of much more TANGIBLE interest to we fans, and it's good to see:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3725942

[tamburello]

J-Rich is definitely better than Kaman, and I really like his effort, work ethics since he's been a Bobcat, but I also think Kaman's presence would help us more than J-Rich's presence. We'd be a little more balanced team on offense, with both inside and outside scoring options. A real low-post scoring threat would be the cure for our struggling spot-up shooter, Carroll.

On the other hand, on defense, we'll really get owned every day by rival guards. Besides being small and skinny, DJ Augustin plays absolutely no defense (he's one of the worst defenders I've seen actually), Felton is a lot better but he was never able to slow down guards like Chauncey Billups in the past. But at the moment, we can't slow down Chauncey Billups and others as well. In this small system, Gerald Wallace would be an integral part of our defence, but we'll always be missmatched at least by one player.

I'm not saying than DJ-Felton duo is better than Felton-Jrich duo, they've played only one game solid. But if DJ will be part of our future, this kind of trade worths trying. If Kaman+Gordon would be what we get for J-Rich, eventually:

2007 8th pick(Brandan Wright)= Chris Kaman+2008 7th pick(Eric Gordon)+2007 36th pick(Jermareo Davidson)

I don't think this equation is not so bad for us. But I also doubt they'll give up on Gordon that early.

[Keetch]

Most of these rumors have no legs, but I'm not too sure about this one.

What seems true on the surface...

-> the Bobcats are the party initiating/pushing to make the trade, while the Clippers are the party trying to decide upon its value; though they've said that Kaman "is not out there"....whatever that means.....actually I've heard that Kaman is pretty much "out there."

-> Baron Davis Baron Davis Baron Davis...did I mention Baron Davis?

-> for all his defensive skill at Center; I REALLY think LB wants to make Okafor over into a PF. I get the sense that Brown wants to own the matchups on the front court and not be owned. Okafor is a very capable NBA center, but he IS just a tad short. We've all agreed that Ok50 can't guard PF's, but maybe it isn't that he can't, but that he just hasn't known how to do that, and hadn't been coached (by Crew Vincent) to do it. You'd think he SHOULD be able to; he's certainly athletic enough. There'll still be plenty of opportunities to defend the paint as well. C/PF's get to do that to.

-> Kaman has more trade value in the future than JRich does, if and when the team chooses to make further adjustments.

-> Will MJ return from his paid holiday in Dubai to pull this off? Not sure how engaged he is.

-> Agreed that Felton is not the answer at SG, but DJ sure is looking like our PG.

[polarcat]

it's funny....until j-rich got here most fans were begging for a pure sg. our biggest glaring hole was a scoring threat at the 2 and it's ironic how we traded away our current problem area in order to fill that need. now, we're contemplating shipping out our solution at sg to get big down low. the only solace is that we do have options as shooters if gordon comes over, or felton/hammer/ammo. still, i thought it was funny.

[dnbman]

it's funny....until j-rich got here most fans were begging for a pure sg. our biggest glaring hole was a scoring threat at the 2 and it's ironic how we traded away our current problem area in order to fill that need. now, we're contemplating shipping out our solution at sg to get big down low. the only solace is that we do have options as shooters if gordon comes over, or felton/hammer/ammo. still, i thought it was funny.

If Wright was the answer, I don't think we would have traded him. Basically, we got JRich because we didn't think any of those guys were going to be a big help. JRich was/is a big help, plus he sells tickets. I don't think it was that bad.

However, acquiring Kaman would be pretty nice. I just hate that we have to give up one of our most exciting players for him.

[coordinator0]

Most of these rumors have no legs, but I'm not too sure about this one.

What seems true on the surface...

-> the Bobcats are the party initiating/pushing to make the trade, while the Clippers are the party trying to decide upon its value; though they've said that Kaman "is not out there"....whatever that means.....actually I've heard that Kaman is pretty much "out there."

-> Baron Davis Baron Davis Baron Davis...did I mention Baron Davis?

-> for all his defensive skill at Center; I REALLY think LB wants to make Okafor over into a PF. I get the sense that Brown wants to own the matchups on the front court and not be owned. Okafor is a very capable NBA center, but he IS just a tad short. We've all agreed that Ok50 can't guard PF's, but maybe it isn't that he can't, but that he just hasn't known how to do that, and hadn't been coached (by Crew Vincent) to do it. You'd think he SHOULD be able to; he's certainly athletic enough. There'll still be plenty of opportunities to defend the paint as well. C/PF's get to do that to.

-> Kaman has more trade value in the future than JRich does, if and when the team chooses to make further adjustments.

-> Will MJ return from his paid holiday in Dubai to pull this off? Not sure how engaged he is.

-> Agreed that Felton is not the answer at SG, but DJ sure is looking like our PG.

Those are some pretty, good points, especially the one about Okafor not being taught how to play PF. I really had not thought about that before, and if anybody could teach him It's LB. And yes, he is athletic enough people. I really wonder if the FO is considering re-signing Felton at the end of the year. If they don't, I say trade him and get what we can. This could be a draft pick or player (maybe a SG is J-Rich is traded?). As for Jordan being in Dubai, that really does hinder our ability to make a trade. I highly doubt he would let the rest of the FO make a deal without him there to screw us over somehow :biggrin:.

[ALong13]

Now it looks as the Bobcats are the main one's talking, not so much the Clippers :-/


Camby Not Kaman?: For the past couple of days there has been rampant speculation on the status of the L.A. Clippers front court, which is now packed with forwards and centers (Chris Kaman, Marcus Camby, Paul Davis, DeAndre Jordan, Brian Skinner and Zach Randolph). The belief is that Chris Kaman is the odd man out, as he is certainly coveted by more than half the league. The problem is Kaman does not seem to be the player the Clips would really consider moving. Sources close to the club explain that most of the Kaman trade talk is originating from the Charlotte Bobcats, who for whatever reason are talking to people about what they have offered the Clippers. What the Bobcats seem not to be saying is how quickly Clippers' GM and head coach Mike Dunleavy is shooting down the Cats overtures. The common belief around the Clippers is "wait and see" the team made a big trade that brought in some interesting new pieces, and the club wants to see how those pieces work before making any other changes. There is also belief that because of Marcus Camby's contract status, that he may be the more attractive trade piece, especially as the trade deadline approaches. Camby addressed that very topic this week, and said he's been given assurances he's in the big picture, even after the Randolph trade.

I really don't think Camby is an answer, really think Kaman is a much better solution...

[Ampsportsduo]

The team could've had Camby for free, but someone was in Dubai.

[dvdbumpus]

Well, bottom line is that we're 2nd to last in rebounding. Every night we're getting killed on the boards. Here's some items of note:

1. We're 2nd to last in rebounding, and have been near last in rebounding every year
2. We're last in defensive rebounding
3. Resulting from #2, we have the least # of field goal attempts due to our lack of gaining possession from rebounds. Lakers: 10 more rebounds per game, 13 more shot attempts per game...

4. having another quality big will increase our shooting percentage, so hooray easier baskets!
5. grabbing Eric Gordon would be awesome as well, as he's an awesome talent. If we get a pick, we have more options.


I like the trade if we can even up the trade by getting another quality player, pick, or getting rid of bad contracts.

Let's make it happen front office. J-rich, you're an awesome talent, but we need a big and augustin and others can fill some of you role.

[Marvel]

If we trade J-Rich can we please get Eric Gordon with Kaman somehow,i worked out the trade on ESPN and J-Rich,Dudley for Kaman,Gordon works.
MJ,Higgins can we please get Eric Gordon if we trade J-Rich.

[bellringer21]

If we trade J-Rich can we please get Eric Gordon with Kaman somehow,i worked out the trade on ESPN and J-Rich,Dudley for Kaman,Gordon works.
MJ,Higgins can we please get Eric Gordon if we trade J-Rich.

I have a hard time believing the Clippers would be willing to trade Gordon now....he is 19 and being releashed onto the league by storm. 24pts, 8-14 FG, 4-9 3PG, 4-4 FT, 5 rebs, 4 asts, 4 stls, and 2 blks. That followed another amazing game for him.....he is a special talent.

Not sure how a 2-13 team can sell trading him and Kaman for J-Rich when they wont make the playoffs this year. The few fans they have will go nuts. We have to realize we would be getting Hart/Collins with Kaman if the deal is to happen.....

[coordinator0]

J-Rich is a pretty good all-around player. I have taken back my stance to deal him for Kaman, I want the "Cats to keep him at almost all costs. Coming from my favorite college doesn't hurt, and he is probably the best player on our team at the moment.

I would be much more comfortable dealing Crash for a decent big and a SG, therefore moving J-Rich to SF. Maybe something like this:

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

Portland Trail Blazers

Incoming Players

Sean May
Salary: $2,661,027 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 2.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 0.3 PER: 3.18

Gerald Wallace
Salary: $9,500,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 15.9 REB: 8.0 AST: 1.9 PER: 17.63

Outgoing Players: Martell Webster, Channing Frye, Travis OutlawCharlotte

Bobcats

Incoming Players

Martell Webster
Salary: $3,771,133 Years Remaining: 5

Channing Frye
Salary: $3,163,769 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.4 REB: 3.3 AST: 0.6 PER: 12.06

Travis Outlaw
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.6 REB: 4.4 AST: 1.6 PER: 15.30

Outgoing Players: Sean May, Gerald Wallace

[wundrbread33]

I really hate to break it to everyone but J Rich for Kaman and Gordon is a rip off for the Clippers.

If you were the Clips would you make that trade?

We are talking a top ten center that can defend and score, and a 19 year old elite scorer waiting to happen that has showed some great defense in his first two starts.

Talented bigs are so valuable because they are hard to come by. Kamn for J rich straight up is actually still a loss for the clips.

[dvdbumpus]

I really hate to break it to everyone but J Rich for Kaman and Gordon is a rip off for the Clippers.

If you were the Clips would you make that trade?

We are talking a top ten center that can defend and score, and a 19 year old elite scorer waiting to happen that has showed some great defense in his first two starts.

Talented bigs are so valuable because they are hard to come by. Kamn for J rich straight up is actually still a loss for the clips.

Wishful thinking! I wouldn't go so far as him being an elite scorer, but he's much better than Okafor on the offensive end. They're likely just looking for freeing up the glutton of salary on bigs that all can't start. I doubt anything will happen though.

[BRNC]

I'm not clear how JRich for Kaman would be a loss in any way for the Clips...remember that if they trade Kaman for anyone it is an active choice since they've chosen to bring Camby and Z-Bo in I have my doubts that Kamanm is that valuable to the Clips...they could always decide to trade Camby (which I keep hearing they will not do) so in this case value is relative...I think JRich is and has a lot more "value" at this point in time than Kaman...:g:

[SWedd523]

Bringing in JRich would surely make Baron Davis happy. They were great together for the Warriors so I'm sure B Diddy would lobby to have a real talent as a running mate again

[wundrbread33]

I'm not clear how JRich for Kaman would be a loss in any way for the Clips...remember that if they trade Kaman for anyone it is an active choice since they've chosen to bring Camby and Z-Bo in I have my doubts that Kamanm is that valuable to the Clips...they could always decide to trade Camby (which I keep hearing they will not do) so in this case value is relative...I think JRich is and has a lot more "value" at this point in time than Kaman...:g:

Kaman is a top ten center...Richardson is a top ten shooting guard.

A post player with Kaman's skill set is much more rare than a shooting guard who mostly does nothing but score.

Kaman's value is higher because of this rarity. It's tough finding quality big men.

And how does JRich have more value? Kaman is younger, a CENTER that can score, rebound, and block shots.

Added to that the fact that he fills a huge void.

And to the person who posted before you...The 19 year old elite scorer waiting to happen was Gordon, not Kaman.

Bottom line is Kaman + Gordon for JRich is the most obsurd thing I have heard this week.

This isn't NBA Live 2009...it's harder to rip off people in real life.

[BRNC]

Kaman is a top ten center...Richardson is a top ten shooting guard.

A post player with Kaman's skill set is much more rare than a shooting guard who mostly does nothing but score.

Kaman's value is higher because of this rarity. It's tough finding quality big men.

And how does JRich have more value? Kaman is younger, a CENTER that can score, rebound, and block shots.

Added to that the fact that he fills a huge void.

And to the person who posted before you...The 19 year old elite scorer waiting to happen was Gordon, not Kaman.

Bottom line is Kaman + Gordon for JRich is the most obsurd thing I have heard this week.

This isn't NBA Live 2009...it's harder to rip off people in real life.

Kaman may have more value for you but he certainly does not have it for me...he's one year younger than JRich...and you might think JRich is one dimensional but there is little wrong with his defense..and frankly you can keep Gordon (your elite up and coming 6'3" never will be a PG and a little short for a shooting guard)...and you're 100% correct it is not NBA 2009 so they can keep Kaman as far as I'm concerned if the price is JRich because that would be a major rip for LAC not us...and if Kaman is the elite top ten center you claim he is (which I certainly agree is very difficult to find) why the heck would LAC trade him for a one dimentional SG...I doubt the trade will happen because I doubt the even the 'Cats FO is not that (for lack of a better word) stupis...

[davcbow]

I'm against trading any of our core right now, period.....:cool:

[BIGCatBobcat]

I'm against trading any of our core right now, period.....:cool:

Agree 100%. No more floating rumors for a while there, FO. I'd like to get to the bottom of this. Who floats these things out there? I'm going to call this afternoon I think. Really, Gerald Wallace or J-Rich for Kaman and Gordon? Nah, I'm good. Let's see how it plays out, looks like we're getting on a mini-roll here over the last 6 games, Bobcats are 4 of their last 6 as far as I can remember, let them play with no distractions. Let the city and us here at BCP watch the games, analyze what's going right and wrong and enjoy it. If the trade deadline comes with some great proposal from another team, we've got to listen , unless we're a team that stands in control of their playoff destiny at that point.

[Chef]

jrich for kaman and gordon...i would do it. mek and kaman would compliment each other nicely (assuming we can't get an athletic kg like 4) and gordon has shown that he may be a very special player. plus, it seems that centers are much easier to trade and for better results than 2 guards, if kaman doesn't work out or gets too old too fast.