Pathetic-but is it true?

[ohara831]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

You tell me. Is he the MVP of our team to date?

[SWedd523]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

You tell me. Is he the MVP of our team to date?

No. The Biscuit is :biggrin:

[BRNC]

At this point (and because JRich was hurt) I'd have to go with Gerald since he has been more consistent...even in games when he has not put up lots of points he has made an impact on the defensive end...

[Ampsportsduo]

Arguments can be made in both camps, but looking at the results:

Game High Scorers (record in those games)
Gerald Wallace: 5 (1-4)
Jason Richardson: 3 (1-2) (Shared lead with Felton in a win)
Raymond Felton: 4 (3-1)
DJ Augustin: 4 (1-3)
Shannon Brown: 1 (0-1)

But...
The most mercurial of the scorers on the team has been Raymond Felton. In the team's five wins, he's shooting a whopping 60 percent from the field ( 35-58 ). In the team's eleven losses, he's shot only 31 percent ( 42-128 ).

[MattD]

Arguments can be made in both camps, but looking at the results:

Game High Scorers (record in those games)
Gerald Wallace: 5 (1-4)
Jason Richardson: 3 (1-2) (Shared lead with Felton in a win)
Raymond Felton: 4 (3-1)
DJ Augustin: 4 (1-3)
Shannon Brown: 1 (0-1)

But...
The most mercurial of the scorers on the team has been Raymond Felton. In the team's five wins, he's shooting a whopping 60 percent from the field ( 35-58 ). In the team's eleven losses, he's shot only 31 percent ( 42-128 ).


so that should tell you, when he shoots poorly (like he usually does) he is keeping the team from winning. time to go

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he is keeping the team from winning
Before making such claims, why not try and check the shooting percentages of his teammates, because, from what I've gathered while browsin' through the box scores, it's usually the bench that fails to contribute in the games the Cats lost with game vs Dallas being the exception (barring D.J. due to to his posting big minutes).

[spectre]

Of course it's true...who else could it be? Crash has struggled thru most of the games, and he said himself that the trade talk was distracting him. Swish has missed a majority of the games and Mek still can't shoot.

Felton has become an even better defender and he's become more consious of rebounding the ball.

I do expect Crash and Swish to overtake him though.

Talk about knee jerk. The kid played 90 minutes over 2 nights and some here are ready to throw him on the trash heap.

[ohara831]

I just find it sad that the MVP of our team could be the, at best, 4th best player, and maybe the 5th. As far as talent, he is behind J-Rich, Crash, and DJ. He may be behind Okafor, but I am not saying that myself at this time.

[spectre]

That's your perogative. Crash has had management screwing with his head and Swish has had a procedure on his knee. Regardless, Felton works his ass off trying to do everything he can to help this team win.

But hey, ignore the rebounds and the steals...the great defense against guys bigger and more athletic than he is. He shot like crap last night, that's ALL that matters. Not like anyone else on this team has done that.

[dav7z]

That's your perogative. Crash has had management screwing with his head and Swish has had a procedure on his knee. Regardless, Felton works his ass off trying to do everything he can to help this team win.

But hey, ignore the rebounds and the steals...the great defense against guys bigger and more athletic than he is. He shot like crap last night, that's ALL that matters. Not like anyone else on this team has done that.

Agree with Spectre , Damn Felton has more hustle than any one on the team .
But a lot of people act as if hes trash because of a bad shooting game. Last night in post game BROWN said Swish is real far behind . I don't see thread after thread about Swish.
Are you guys saying Larry Brown can't coach . He said in the last post game he feels better with the two ball handlers than Swish and one ball handler in the game.
Yes Felton had one bad game and a lot of you guys are ready to through him to the wolfs.
Hammer and Morrison played bad two should we just cut them ? Any body knows Morrison and the Hammer can shoot the ball . The shoots are just not falling right now.
Should we cut Mek too . He didn't get 20 boards or even ten boards last game. He hardly ever scores over 10 ppg either . Should we just cut him? What was Wallace last game 2 for 16 . I guess we should cut him too.
Lets just cut the whole team except the rookies . Because they have a reason to suck in some games they rookies.
All the necetive talk after just one bad game just gets to me somtime. This team is geting better with what it has now. What is it going to take to give our players credit. 31 points and a win against a more experianced team didn't even last one game. WOW

[dav7z]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/

You tell me. Is he the MVP of our team to date?


Hes a hell of a lot better than we give him credit for

[dav7z]

That's your perogative. Crash has had management screwing with his head and Swish has had a procedure on his knee. Regardless, Felton works his ass off trying to do everything he can to help this team win.

But hey, ignore the rebounds and the steals...the great defense against guys bigger and more athletic than he is. He shot like crap last night, that's ALL that matters. Not like anyone else on this team has done that.

Agree with Spectre , Damn Felton has more hustle than any one on the team .
But a lot of people act as if hes trash because of a bad shooting game. Last night in post game BROWN said Swish is real far behind . I don't see thread after thread about Swish.
Are you guys saying Larry Brown can't coach . He said in the last post game he feels better with the two ball handlers than Swish and one ball handler in the game.
Yes Felton had one bad game and a lot of you guys are ready to through him to the wolfs.
Hammer and Morrison played bad two should we just cut them ? Any body knows Morrison and the Hammer can shoot the ball . The shoots are just not falling right now.
Should we cut Mek too . He didn't get 20 boards or even ten boards last game. He hardly ever scores over 10 ppg either . Should we just cut him? What was Wallace last game 2 for 16 . I guess we should cut him too.
Lets just cut the whole team except the rookies . Because they have a reason to suck in some games they rookies.
All the necetive talk after just one bad game just gets to me somtime. This team is geting better with what it has now. What is it going to take to give our players credit. 31 points and a win against a more experianced team didn't even last one game. WOW

[ohara831]

How did this conversation get to whether we should keep Felton or not? Or about LB's coaching? The entire issue is whether he is the MVP of this team to date or not. Dont get your panties in a wad.

[dnbman]

How did this conversation get to whether we should keep Felton or not? Or about LB's coaching? The entire issue is whether he is the MVP of this team to date or not. Dont get your panties in a wad.

So far, he probably is the MVP. However, even Bonnell says that being the MVP of a team that has played the Bobcats have doesn't mean much. To me, the comment says more about the state of our team than just Felton's play. Although, I do think he's gotten better.

Still, he's got a lot more to learn.

[TheBeagle]

Yeah, I'm with dnbman on this one: Bonnell qualifies his statement by saying it's not all that big of a title to have for a team that wins 1/3 of their games thus far. For reasons listed above, I'd discount GW and JR as well, and Mercurial Mek automatically disqualifies himself, so, yeah, with the genuine desire to do good, be a good teammate, and learn to be a better player, as well as how he has embraced his replacement, DJ, I'd say he's the "MVP" of the team for the first month. And remember, ohara, this is coming from the guy who also blamed him, and rightfully so, for the Celts loss, and who knows DJ is the future. If you just read Bonnell's qualifications for giving him the "MVP" title, and realize he's just putting something out there on a slow Bobcats news day because he's obligated, it reall isn't that big a deal.

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I was really impressed with the blog underneath that one though, the one where relocating the team was addressed. I love that the league office was as pissed at Bob last April when he whined to the Observer about lack of support from local business as the rest of us were. I get the impression they can't stand Bob, and are regretting daily if not hourly letting him buy our team, and will do as much as they can to get him to sell to somebody who has a vested interest in seeing the NBA succeed in Charlotte once again, which is what the league ultimately wants, IMO.

[Ampsportsduo]

so that should tell you, when he shoots poorly (like he usually does) he is keeping the team from winning. time to go

I knew posting that stat would cause a post like yours. Which is why I dug a little further.

As well as Ray and DJ played against Philly, its a pairing that works best in spurts and is by no means a solution, because at the end of the day both are PGs. DJ shot well for several of the games, but the increased scoring burden on Ray led to some of his poorest shooting nights.

Ray attempted fewer than 10 FG in a third of the games that JRich has played in, but he shot at least 10 times in every game JRich missed. With JRich in the lineup Ray connected on more shots per game on nearly two fewer attempts. He shot less than 25% in 3 of the 7 games without JRich. The Boston game was the first game with JRich he'd shot less than 36% since opening night.

So yes, the team would be better off with him shooting less and typically he does with a healthy JRich on the court.

It doesn't make sense for Ray haters to continually be dismissive of his other contributions. He's among the top 10 in pg rebounding and steals. His assists per game are food enough for 16th in league (and thats with DJ getting some PG minutes and at a slower pace than almost all other teams).

In conclusion, this just in... (Telegraph beeps: "doo da doo doo da doo") Raymond is a PG and not a scoring guard.

[playoffs...PLAYOFFS?]

yes, RF is the MVP while that doesn't mean much until we have a winning record. Good posts by Ampsports. We continue to give no credit to RF on his good nights and bash him on the bad nights. He brings many things to the court...he should not be the one responsible for carrying the weight of the team points. He is a PG ..