View Full Version : Bobcats trying to sign Juwan Howard?
ALong13
12-09-2008, 05:56 PM
Rick Bonnell of the Charlotte Observer reports that the Bobcats are attempting to sign free agent forward Juwan Howard.
Considering that Charlotte has been starting the struggling Sean May at power forward, Howard would actually have a chance to work his way into Larry Brown's rotation if this transaction goes through. With that said, he's only someone to monitor in extremely deep leagues.
-Rotoworld
Thoughts? I'd expect it be for the Vets. Min for the rest of this year...
I don't think he's ever been known as a great defender (not saying he is horrible) and his best days are way behind him...at this point I don't see him bringing anything to the team "unless the team has wised up and AA is going to the NBDL for playing time"...it would be the only reason I would sign Howard at this point in time...
ALong13
12-09-2008, 06:10 PM
I don't think he could be any worse than May, May is getting slowly, but surely into shape, but I think Howard could do a little better...and Ajinca won't go to NBADL, doesn't need to, he can learn just as much playing small minutes and learning under Larry Brown, he hasn't been all that bad so far in his limited minutes IMO
I think limited minutes is the key for a player who has played limited minutes at anything close to a professional level and that includes the limited minutes in Europe he "played"...this guy may have enough talent to play in the NBA (in some capacity) but it really is important for him to get game playing time...and the NBDL would help him since he will only learn so much in practice and riding the bench...
tamburello
12-09-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't think he will be playing +20 minutes for any team with his body and May is already doing what he would do for us: playing limited minutes at PF. Eventually we'd be playing with four small guys at crunch times of all games just like now. So we don't need him.
And if I were Juwan Howard, I wouldn't accept coming to Charlotte for any money. I believe He's earned enough money, and probably around trade deadline, a lot of contenders would knock his door for limited minutes, veteran presence and experience in playoffs. He'd be next PJ Brown if he patiently waits.
WarioVsMooChicken
12-09-2008, 07:45 PM
I'd like the signining
ziggy
12-09-2008, 07:51 PM
Isn't Juwan Howard about 47 years old?
tamburello
12-09-2008, 07:55 PM
Isn't Juwan Howard about 47 years old?
Almost :)
spectre
12-09-2008, 08:49 PM
^ and he can still outrun McMay (unless there was a box of Krispy Kremes at the finish line).
Eh, why not? His old ass is still probably better than what we now have.
Just no Othello deals.
I'm just not sure of the reasoning behind the signings of players that are not going to play...Howard was available when D. Jones was signed...I know we need some "bigs" for practice (since we have to play against them but not play them) but Hollins and AA are not getting much time now...D. Jones is getting time in spurts...we're mainly going with small lineups so what exactly is the point?
ammofan
12-09-2008, 09:35 PM
why do we need him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsDQNhFVkmk
BobcatsAllDay
12-09-2008, 11:12 PM
Can't say the FO is not trying
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-09-2008, 11:21 PM
whaaat...never saw this one coming...my only concern is that he'll get some injury that will keep him off the court...but sure, why not..doesn't look like we are getting any trades going, so maybe we'll keep him until some decent trade comes up
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-09-2008, 11:23 PM
why do we need him?
that would be awesome if he could stay play like that...he's way more athletic than sean may right now...and he's got touch
that would be awesome if he could stay play like that...he's way more athletic than sean may right now...and he's got touch
AA, Hollins, and D. Jones are all more athletic than McMay but they don't play...why should I (we) think LB is going to play Howard (who was only a mediocre defender in his prime) more than he plays any of the other "bigs"...I just don't see this (if it happens) as anything...I like Howard and think he'd be a real good pickup for a top team but I really don't see him bringing much to our team (unless as I said earlier they send AA to NBDL for playing time) other than a veteran big to sit on the bench...
Ampsportsduo
12-10-2008, 04:29 AM
Standard caveat: depending on the contract...
This is a decent pickup if they can get him. A lil offensive punch on the frontline would be a welcome addition. As a vet, he should be able to step into the offense with relative ease and by knocking down his 15 to 17-footers, he could open driving lanes for the other guys.
As long as the deal is for only one year, there appears little reason to argue against the pick-up.
As an aside, with the FO being so Tarheel heavy, I would hope someone picked up the phone and called George Karl to ask him. The Nuggets waived him because of the AI trade, but if there's no wear left on the tires, Karl would tell them.
I thought Howard would be a real good pickup before we brought in D. Jones....the thing is we seem to keep bringing in guys for DNP time instead of guys that LB will play....AA should be getting at least 8 minutes a game and if he is not good enough to get them he should be getting lots of playing time in the NDDL...Hollins has played better (when he's played) this year and is in street clothes most games...Nasr plays little most games (although his play has been underwhelming at best)...
This kills any flexability for a 2 for 3 etc. type of trade...my caveat is if we actually package some players (although I don't know who at this point) for a trade or AA is sent to the NBDL to get play time...if neither of these things happen I just see more street clothes and DNP...
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-10-2008, 10:18 AM
AA, Hollins, and D. Jones are all more athletic than McMay but they don't play...why should I (we) think LB is going to play Howard (who was only a mediocre defender in his prime) more than he plays any of the other "bigs"...I just don't see this (if it happens) as anything...I like Howard and think he'd be a real good pickup for a top team but I really don't see him bringing much to our team (unless as I said earlier they send AA to NBDL for playing time) other than a veteran big to sit on the bench...
i think he will bring plenty to the team...i don't think the issue is just the defense...we can afford having a 4 with mediocre defense..we've had almost no defense at the 4
sean may - not much of defense here..
jarrod dudley - undersized, he is going to get beat
wallace - he shouldn't be playing 4
AA - he can't play 4, because he commits 2 fouls/minute
juwan will score points and be a much better at matching up against other PFs.. i will be glad to have him score 10 pts a game
plus, like ampsport mentioned, his ability to hit outside shots will clear up the lanes
i think he will bring plenty to the team...i don't think the issue is just the defense...we can afford having a 4 with mediocre defense..we've had almost no defense at the 4
sean may - not much of defense here..
jarrod dudley - undersized, he is going to get beat
wallace - he shouldn't be playing 4
AA - he can't play 4, because he commits 2 fouls/minute
juwan will score points and be a much better at matching up against other PFs.. i will be glad to have him score 10 pts a game
plus, like ampsport mentioned, his ability to hit outside shots will clear up the lanes
...and we've lost and continue to lose games with almost no defense at the 4...McMay can shoot the 12-18 so if that is all we're getting Howard for I see it as a continuation of the same old thing...losing by degrees...Howard was never a great rebounder or defender...I think he's a great guy and will be a good locker room presence but no more than that...
Shrimpy_Jackson
12-10-2008, 11:17 AM
...and we've lost and continue to loose games with almost no defense at the 4...McMay can shoot the 12-18 so if that is all we're getting Howard for I see it as a continuation of the same old thing...loosing by degrees...Howard was never a great rebounder or defender...I think he's a great guy and will be a good locker room presence but no more than that...
Okay I'm really sorry about this and I don't want to sound like a prick but I've been seeing this a shitload lately, and even saw someone make a thread about it on another forum. The words are lose and losing, not loose and loosing! It seems like this has just been popping up everywhere! And really I'm not trying to call you out or embarrass anyone, I just wanted to clear it up.
ShrimShrim
amen brother! i am a bit of a grammar nazi and was biting my tounge as this is a sport related discussion board not a graded term paper or business letter. i teach a nutrition course and get at least 20 emails per semester asking about "loosing weight", sometimes even "loosing wait".
Okay I'm really sorry about this and I don't want to sound like a prick but I've been seeing this a shitload lately, and even saw someone make a thread about it on another forum. The words are lose and losing, not loose and loosing! It seems like this has just been popping up everywhere! And really I'm not trying to call you out or embarrass anyone, I just wanted to clear it up.
ShrimShrim
Oh no you didn't!!
Fair chance every one of your posts are going to be put under the magnifying glass for spelling, puncuation and structure from now on!!
;)
To be honest, most times I post I'm in the office between projects and my fingers are moving quicker than my brain. That can result in all sorts of mistakes but this is an internet forum and I'm not being marked on my posts - so who cares? So long as people get the jist of the message I am trying to put across, that is all that matters to me.
I'm sure as shit not about to read back over and correct posts I make after I make them though!!
That would be to much too bear.
LOL...Slam I try to correct mine as soon as I post them because my fingers and brain never stay in sync...always hitting the wrong key...on the note of the thread...
I've been looking at playing times (game time) for the players drafted 3 spots above and below AA and was not surprised that they average 9 min/per-18 min/per....(AA is listed at about 7 min/per and Hollins is listed at 9 min/per but he was only active for 8 games and AA only for 15)...the point again is we keep bringing in "bigs" to not play other "bigs"?...AA needs playing time and Hollins needs playing time so I still don't get it? I would not argue against Howard being a good locker room presence or a good pickup if we were in a playoff push or if AA is going to the NBDL...but this is kinda ridiculous just to bring guys in to sit other guys that need playing time...:g:
spectre
12-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Whi du u think Howard wont play?
Even if he sux @ D thats about whut McMay brings...maybe betwixt the 2 we'll actually hav an offensive thret frm the 4 for the hole game?
Them other bigs can't put it in the hole.
polarcat
12-10-2008, 12:29 PM
LOL...Slam I try to correct mine as soon as I post them because my fingers and brain never stay in sync...always hitting the wrong key...on the note of the thread...
I've been looking at playing times (game time) for the players drafted 3 spots above and below AA and was not surprised that they average 9 min/per-18 min/per....(AA is listed at about 7 min/per and Hollins is listed at 9 min/per but he was only active for 8 games and AA only for 15)...the point again is we keep bringing in "bigs" to not play other "bigs"?...AA needs playing time and Hollins needs playing time so I still don't get it? I would not argue against Howard being a good locker room presence or a good pickup if we were in a playoff push or if AA is going to the NBDL...but this is kinda ridiculous just to bring guys in to sit other guys that need playing time...:g:
i feel that this has always been the supposed knock on larry brown in other places. i'm not saying aa should get 35mins a night, but somewhere in the 20 range would make sense. the lack of ammo's playing time especially when we need a sniper down the stretch or putting sean may on the court as much as he has been makes me scratch my head. he is a hof coach and knows waaaaay more than i attempt to, but it still intrigues me.
Whi du u think Howard wont play?
Even if he sux @ D thats about whut McMay brings...maybe betwixt the 2 we'll actually hav an offensive thret frm the 4 for the hole game?
Them other bigs can't put it in the hole.
:wootjump:
OH MY GOD!!
This is the funniest post in the history of the internet.
LOL...if we could put all our bigs (sitting on the bench) we might have a complete player...maybe...kinda...sorta...
From the Observer:
Just got back from Bobcats' morning shootaround. General manager Rod Higgins says he anticipates Juwan Howard signing in time to participate in practice Friday in Charlotte
J. Howard is a good dude...but it really answers little unless something else is happening that we know nothing about...
dav7z
12-10-2008, 01:38 PM
Whi du u think Howard wont play?
Even if he sux @ D thats about whut McMay brings...maybe betwixt the 2 we'll actually hav an offensive thret frm the 4 for the hole game?
Them other bigs can't put it in the hole.
Wow a post i can understand. I tell you guys it kinda hurts when you have a limited education and people make fun of you. Most hear don't care thet i can't spell and i just want to say thank you for puting up with me.
As far as Howard is concerned if we going to at least have him in the rotation then im for it. If hes just going to warm the beanch we don't need him .
Another thing we need to think about is in just six more days a lot more players will able to be traded. Those thet are restricted til december 15th.
It all comes down to how much we are going to play him. All so if hes a expiring we could be a asset as a trade chip.
The expirings of him May, Hollins, might be enough to pick a decent p/f.
Question could we give him say 3 milion this year then trade his three milion contract along with say May and pick up a player making in the six milion dollar range.
Can that be done??/
I doubt they sign Howard to trade him dav...but it could certainly mean that they have another trade lined up or at least under discussion for the other players you mentioned...but then again it could be just another "sign a big so he can get DNP time"...who knows?
Ampsportsduo
12-10-2008, 01:47 PM
He would not be immediately tradable.
If he is willing to sign for a one-year deal and the team has a roster spot open, it would be a better option than trading anyone currently on the roster for a PF that won't give the team much more than Juwan.
He would not be immediately tradable.
If he is willing to sign for a one-year deal and the team has a roster spot open, it would be a better option than trading anyone currently on the roster for a PF that won't give the team much more than Juwan.
True...so lets hope they can actually find something (trade) that will have an impact and not just exchange contracts...
Felton for Prez
12-10-2008, 01:55 PM
I agree they won't sign him then immediately look to trade him, but my question is about limitations to a trade. If he gets a 1 yr deal, is there any reason we couldn't move him at the deadline? I don't think there is but I'm not the contract expert around these parts.
spectre
12-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Wow a post i can understand.
:hysterical:
Dav you are a god around these parts and don't ever forget it!
As far as Howard is concerned if we going to at least have him in the rotation then im for it. If hes just going to warm the beanch we don't need him .
Another thing we need to think about is in just six more days a lot more players will able to be traded. Those thet are restricted til december 15th.
It all comes down to how much we are going to play him. All so if hes a expiring we could be a asset as a trade chip.
The expirings of him May, Hollins, might be enough to pick a decent p/f.
Question could we give him say 3 milion this year then trade his three milion contract along with say May and pick up a player making in the six milion dollar range.
Can that be done??/I think 30 days (?) til we can trade him...but I can see him being an asset near the trade deadline when a team like Dallas needs some extra "oomph" in their playoff push. That'd probably be for an expiring and a late 1st.
IMO Howard will play. I know some don't see the difference but I sure do. Someone listed our options earlier and I'll put them out there in (what I remember) PT:
McMay
Duds
Crash
New guy (heh...can't remember his name!)
Ajinca
Now seriously...which one of those is even a borderline starter at the 4 with a half decent team (that would be us)?
McMay can't get past his boo boos, Duds/Crash are too small, new guy sucks and is really a 12th man type and Ajinca is way too raw. George Karl wanted Howard back in Denver but their management was too concerned with the lux tax line. Nene on Hoopshype/Rumors was crying publically about Denver losing him to us.
We're talking a minimal salary (I hope)...what is the big deal?
I agree they won't sign him then immediately look to trade him, but my question is about limitations to a trade. If he gets a 1 yr deal, is there any reason we couldn't move him at the deadline? I don't think there is but I'm not the contract expert around these parts.
Pretty sure we can FFP.
No argument on limited options at the 4 spectre and again I thought Howard would be a good pickup when Denver had to release him...but now with D. Jones we seem to be getting overloaded with no options (really) at a position of weakness...Howard is way past his best play days and frankly if we get 12 min/per I think it is not a bad deal...but we're still loading up on fodder IMO...Howard could be an asset at the deadline but frankly we need a player to man the 4 (or 5 if EO50 is moves)...but I'm kinda getting tired of just bringing in fodder....
dav7z
12-10-2008, 02:09 PM
This looks like a win ,win thing to me , Most teams want a experianced vetran for a playoff push. So we could either keep him all season or trade him at the trade deadline.
More than likely picking up a first to go along with him . Playing hear hes going to have a lot of chances to showcase his talent. I could see him starting for us easy.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2008/12/howard-may-be-s.html
spectre
12-10-2008, 02:11 PM
IMO...Howard could be an asset at the deadline but frankly we need a player to man the 4 (or 5 if EO50 is moves)...but I'm kinda getting tired of just bringing in fodder....
I think (optimistically more than likely) that LB isn't sure yet exactly who he wants to keep in regards to our main players so maybe we're hesitant to deal one of them for a more permanent solution?
I don't want to give Crash up for Bargnani or Frye (for example) nor do I want to give up Swish for Kaman. Personally I'd rather hang on to those guys and do the best we can...Howard in this case...at the 4.
I think (optimistically more than likely) that LB isn't sure yet exactly who he wants to keep in regards to our main players so maybe we're hesitant to deal one of them for a more permanent solution?
I don't want to give Crash up for Bargnani or Frye (for example) nor do I want to give up Swish for Kaman. Personally I'd rather hang on to those guys and do the best we can...Howard in this case...at the 4.
I agree...I'm not at all for trading JRich unless we get the farm for him...and Bargnani playing for LB...doubt that would work and Frye is not worth Crash alone...so play the cards we have and hopefully the cards gets better...
Ampsportsduo
12-10-2008, 02:39 PM
I agree they won't sign him then immediately look to trade him, but my question is about limitations to a trade. If he gets a 1 yr deal, is there any reason we couldn't move him at the deadline? I don't think there is but I'm not the contract expert around these parts.
A) He would not be tradable for 90 days which would be after the trade deadline.
B) If a veteran signs a 1-year deal he has a right of refusal involving trades.
spectre
12-10-2008, 02:50 PM
A) He would not be tradable for 90 days which would be after the trade deadline.
B) If a veteran signs a 1-year deal he has a right of refusal involving trades.
After looking thru the FAQ I think that's right unless there's some exception for a vet min player.
Last year's deadline was February 21st, so I don't think we can trade him this year after all.
Felton for Prez
12-10-2008, 03:28 PM
A) He would not be tradable for 90 days which would be after the trade deadline.
B) If a veteran signs a 1-year deal he has a right of refusal involving trades.
That's unfortunate. I still don't understand why he'd sign here if he knows he can't get moved. I fear we're throwing a bunch of money at him. I hope I am wrong.
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-10-2008, 04:05 PM
i'm thinking we might give him decent money...definitely more than what we gave shannon or andre brown...i doubt that they would give me a long contract though, i think they finally realize that the terrible contracts we have are coming to bite us in the ass.
Ampsportsduo
12-10-2008, 04:09 PM
i'm thinking we might give him decent money...definitely more than what we gave shannon or andre brown...i doubt that they would give me a long contract though, i think they finally realize that the terrible contracts we have are coming to bite us in the ass.
I doubt there's much debate about money. You're probably right the hangup is the length. Howard's agent is probably pushing for an additional year (or two) and the Cats wisely don't want to give it to him.
G-Force for MVP
12-10-2008, 04:17 PM
hes like 50 no thanks if we were gonna bring back a 50 year old put jordan in a bobcat uniform
playoffs...PLAYOFFS?
12-10-2008, 04:20 PM
35 years old...he's got two more years at most, if he has no injuries..
my only hope is mourning..who came back and actually played decently ... howard has remained healthy, so far.
*EDIT
after i wrote this, i found this article.. 50% mourning > dwayne jones ?
http://www.nba.com/news/mourning_081001.html
Ampsportsduo
12-10-2008, 04:21 PM
If they were able to sign him to a 1-year deal, can anyone explain the downside?
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