DJ should be starting [Archive] - Bobcatsplanet Forum

dnbman

12-10-2008, 10:53 PM

Am I the only one who thinks he should be our starting PG? He has shown he can do alot and continues to grow. Just curious how everyone else feels....

No. He's a great young player, but Felton has still done a better job of setting up players and playing D. If Felton's shot wasn't so bad this season, Felton would be the clear choice.

However, Augustin is looking pretty darn good.

TheBeagle

12-10-2008, 10:58 PM

Give it time. I'd say, let Raymond have it 'til we trade him at the deadline. Then again, if Larry thinks it's time now, then I'm all for it.

Derrick Rose is the "sexier" PG; I wanted Russell Westbrook desperately before the draft; but DJ just may be the best of the bunch when all's said and done...

ALong13

12-10-2008, 11:08 PM

You remember when we Paul was drafted the same year as May & Felton and we complained for years, I think give a few years that teams will be complaining that they didn't step up to get DJ, DJ has been wonderful, and I believe he is already better than Felton at almost everything, Felton has taught him a lot, but I see DJ starting by season's end...

x2pacalypse

12-10-2008, 11:11 PM

Alex

12-11-2008, 12:56 AM

No. He's a great young player, but Felton has still done a better job of setting up players and playing D. If Felton's shot wasn't so bad this season, Felton would be the clear choice.

However, Augustin is looking pretty darn good.

This season? Felton's shot has never been good.

tamburello

12-11-2008, 04:36 AM

Although I still think Felton is better at playmaking, DJ might be a better compliment to Raja Bell.

JamieMcNeill

12-11-2008, 08:34 AM

i see augustine more as a good SG than a great PG at this time...i feel he needs to learn to better distribute the ball...and then he will be the clear choice

this is coming from a felton fan...but sadly i think it really is only a matter of time before augustine outshines him

you sound like your talking about how he was playing at the beginning of the year but recently DJ has been distributing rather nicely. over the past five games he has had 7 turnovers compared to 20 assists. Kids growing up ;).

bing!

12-11-2008, 08:42 AM

i see augustine more as a good SG
... a 6-0 SG, really ??

JamieMcNeill

12-11-2008, 08:57 AM

... a 6-0 SG, really ??

Yea a 6 foot- 180 pound SG. It's kind of like when people call AI a SG. Just because a guard is a good scorer doesnt mean he should play the 2.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

12-11-2008, 10:12 AM

Dead_Real

12-11-2008, 10:18 AM

if you look at felton's stats , his shot is not terrible... the issue is the inconsistency

there are many other intangibles that felton brings right now that make him the starter.. more experience, hard work, etc.
Basically although I've been more impressed with his play this year than I've been dissapointed especially recently.

drunkbum

12-11-2008, 11:45 AM

Yea a 6 foot- 180 pound SG. It's kind of like when people call AI a SG. Just because a guard is a good scorer doesnt mean he should play the 2.

AI is a sg.... what AI is not is a pg....

In philly he had snow at point....
Denver tired to play him at pg - did not work....
Detroit tried to play him at pg - is not working.....

maybe im just misreading your point...

Ampsportsduo

12-11-2008, 02:17 PM

DJ needs to come off the bench. Not because I don't like him, but he's a rookie and his minutes have to be monitored to avoid hitting the wall.

Besides... small backcourts don't win championships.

bellringer21

12-11-2008, 04:27 PM

TheBeagle

12-11-2008, 04:56 PM

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10903

According to this article, it looks like DJ and Felton are the starters at the 1/2 and Bell will come off the bench....which is kinda what I figured. The DJ/Felton combo worked very well when J-Rich was out and probably that success helped the Bobcats be more comfortable with this trade...... That article is horse manure. Bell won't be coming off the bench to spell Raymond at the 2 as long as Larry is coaching this team. Just last night he said how apprehensive he is to start Raymond and DJ together because if one gets in foul trouble early, the PG rotation is screwed for the rest of the game.

Bell is starting for the Bobcats. DJ, for the meanwhile, is the 6th man.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

12-11-2008, 04:59 PM

That article is horse manure. Bell won't be coming off the bench to spell Raymond at the 2 as long as Larry is coaching this team. Just last night he said how apprehensive he is to start Raymond and DJ together because if one gets in foul trouble early, the PG rotation is screwed for the rest of the game.

Bell is starting for the Bobcats. DJ, for the meanwhile, is the 6th man.

i would assume that Bell goes ahead of Felton...but you forget that we have singletary too. and i forget who had the nice find of video where singletary practiced with us. Surely LB knows that singletary is or is not capable of doing... you can't discard seeing singletary play minutes at PG

also..if carroll doesn't get shipped out..much to my dismay, i have to wonder if he would get any minutes ahead of shannon brown...we haven't really heard anything from LB regarding carroll....all he's ever said is that carroll & ammo are the same type player (which i disagree)

bellringer21

12-11-2008, 05:10 PM

i would assume that Bell goes ahead of Felton...but you forget that we have singletary too. and i forget who had the nice find of video where singletary practiced with us. Surely LB knows that singletary is or is not capable of doing... you can't discard seeing singletary play minutes at PG

Felton/Bell at the 2 and DJ/Singletary at the 1.

I think this trade was done for 3 things:
1. to get Diaw (and sit May)
2. open up DJ to get more time/experience
3. to get Singletary as the back-up to DJ for next year.

Its crystal clear that the Bobcats don't see Felton being on this team next year. I think Singletary was swapped for the 2nd round pick to be the back-up PG....otherwise no need for Singletary with Felton/DJ/Brown already on the roster.

ammofan

12-11-2008, 05:15 PM

I thought he should be starting since day one....

docend24

12-11-2008, 06:46 PM

I think Singletary was swapped for the 2nd round pick to be the back-up PG....otherwise no need for Singletary with Felton/DJ/Brown already on the roster.[/QUOTE]

To have a lot of time to got all new Larry's plays. But I agree.

Ghost Kat

12-11-2008, 09:51 PM

I made a statement back in the summer that DJ would be on the All Rookie team. I was told it was to early to tell DJ wont start so he won't get enough minutes to rank anywhere.....Even with half the minutes of the Top Five he's right up there. But I'd still give him till the Allstar break before giving him to lead spot.

bellringer21

12-11-2008, 10:09 PM

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3415

Looking at DJ's profile (wanted to see his asts:to) and it states that he will be the starting PG and Felton moved to the SG. Not positive that it will happen, but another report saying he will start.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

12-11-2008, 10:11 PM

that';s just the fantasy update for this game, not applicable for the weekend

bellringer21

12-12-2008, 09:25 AM

that';s just the fantasy update for this game, not applicable for the weekend

Really? I just looked at Raja Bell's page, and it says he will come off the bench. That fantasy update was for after the trade, not just that one game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=49

spectre

12-12-2008, 09:29 AM

I thought LB said something like "if they can start in Phoenix then they can start here".

I can't imagine Bell not starting. Maybe not the first game or two, but soon.

bellringer21

12-12-2008, 09:56 AM

I thought LB said something like "if they can start in Phoenix then they can start here".

I can't imagine Bell not starting. Maybe not the first game or two, but soon.

Maybe you are right, but I see one of the reasons this trade was made was to start DJ with Felton. I haven't seen anything say for a fact Bell is coming off the bench, but there are reports (none that I saw where LB said DJ would start) that will happen and I was just showing the links to those reports. I already posted the 3 reasons why I think they made the trade and increasing DJ's role was one of them.

(obviously I am a big fan of DJ-is it hard to tell? lol)

spectre

12-12-2008, 10:09 AM

Oh I know...wasn't trying to imply that you were advocating it.

Why not DJ & Bell? I think they'll compliment each other very well (Bell takes the tougher guard on D like Felton does) and he should be able to score very well off DJ's drives.

This is the way I see it panning out eventually anyway.

BTW I really like Bell. He's the brighter spot for me in that trade.

On a side note...those with better vision, has DJ's defense sucked ass worse than normal lately? I had a pretty decent feed last night (esp. the later link; thanx Cat) and I saw their 2nd string guard loose DJ repeatedly on the drive. It's like he would give him some space when he didn't have the ball, then when he got it DJ couldn't get back in front of him and he'd get into the paint.

I don't remember his D being that bad...but last night it seemed he continually got smoked.

bellringer21

12-12-2008, 10:19 AM

The feed wasn't sharp enough for me to see about his D. I don't know about DJ and Bell just yet....that might be who we have starting next year but Felton will probably still start. I am a big fan of trading Felton at some point this year-everyone knows we won't re-sign him so I would like to at least get something back for him. I know it seems we make trades and get 75 cents to a dollar, but that dollar is about to burn up. Rather get something for him.....

A trade idea that I thought of today would be to move Felton and a bad contract for Raef LaFrentz and picks. His contract is expiring at 12 million this year and Portland is looking to move him for a veteran. Portland has stock pilled alot of picks and we could probably get 1-2 picks in the deal too.

Ampsportsduo

12-12-2008, 11:21 AM

LB has been using a PG rotation. If both of them are on the floor the entire game there's no PG to rotate. And if anyone suggests a rookie PG with no training camp should come in and play the primary backup immediately....

Anyhow whether or not DJ starts is irrelevant. What's significant is he's been on the floor late in games. Manu Ginobili doesn't start but he's an all-star. There are far bigger issues to be concerned with or than if DJ's on the floor for the jump ball.

bellringer21

12-13-2008, 03:01 PM

DJ isn't starting yet.....Bell will start today's game. While I think DJ should be starting, I still assume DJ will still be getting about 30 minutes a game....

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NBA&hl=102616

Ghost Kat

12-13-2008, 04:30 PM

I think whether DJ starts or not is a silly issue. He still gets good minutes and is very productive off the bench. He's basically a 6th man right now. Felton and Bell can start but it's up to production to see who finishes. Bell isn't the scorer Rich was but he plays good defense and good defense usually leads to a easy shot on the other end for someone. I have been a outspoken fan of DJ since draft night but I'm satisified with him off te bench right now since he still gets 25-30 minutes a game. Did i Mention he has been productive:biggrin:

bellringer21

12-17-2008, 05:39 AM

I'm bumping this thread because its hard to say we shouldn't be starting him now. Bell got ejected down 10 and DJ played the rest of the game from there and had another great game. His FT% is huge....we know if we have a lead give him the ball and let the team foul DJ so he can get us two points.

I find it hard to believe he still should be the "6th" man.....start DJ and Felton and just make sure you always have one of them on the floor. DJ wasnt tired at the end of the game (or at least it didnt effect his play). DJ shouldnt get under 30 minutes a game from now on.

playoffs...PLAYOFFS?

12-17-2008, 09:16 AM

you have to trust LB and his assesment of PG. there has to be a good reason why DJ is coming off the bench.

Ghost Kat

12-18-2008, 07:57 PM

We have Felton for now and his only postive IMO is he is a Vet. It doesn't seem to effect DJ coming off the bench, So let him sit and learn from LB at the start of the game. DJ plays when it matters reguardless of how many minutes end up in the box score. For those of us who get to watch the games, We see he's playin when he needs to. But he doesn't need to over do it. He's a rookie and he's basically the offense of the team.